Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
On Saturday 03 April 2004 21:44, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2004 05:43 pm, Charlie wrote: -What country or planet is that? Possibly Linux has not arrived there yet, but -please tell your friends it is on its way just as day after night. - -Charlie I know, I know, I've been trying to bring them into this century but...you know :-( If it is the new planet it could be a long time. A year is 10500 of our years. -- Regards; Hoyt Ignore the past and you will fail! Ignore the future and you have already failed! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:48:23AM -0500, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2004 05:34 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2004 11:17 am, Alexandre Dubois wrote: -Not sure what you are after, what is your current knowledge in IT in general -and Linux in particular. Oreilly (http://www.oreilly.com/) are known to be the -leader editor for opensource projects. O'Reilly is great, own several of the books myself - and I referred these friends to their web site. They responded that was great, but we don't see them here in our community/colleges... Darklord: I took a look at the Linux offerings from our local tech college (Wake County Community College) -- three courses related to Unix; no mention of Linux; lots of Windows/DOS stuff. Ouch. It gets worse when you consider that the campus is about five miles from Red Hat's headquarters; it's another ten miles further down the road to IBM's (huge) Research Triangle Park installation. Then I kicked it up a notch and went to North Carolina State University's website to check out their undergraduate Computer Engineering and Computer Science courses. Searches on Linux, Unix and even Windows came up empty. That's understandable given the traditional view that an engineering education is about learning basic principles rather than the specific details of a particular end technology. End result: Several courses on various aspects of operating system design, but zilch on any particular OS. That's OK for someone who is starting on a new career, but not for someone who's already out there chasing the bucks. snip At the tech college where I work, we have one person that dominates a portion of the IT curriculum. So, if you want to learn about Web publishing, you won't learn any free database or scripting languages, you'll be forced to learn IIS, java, asp and .NET. I keep telling them I don't know anybody who uses that stuff, which is probably just because I'm selective in choosing my friends ;) but seriously, to think we're graduating people who don't know squat about Apache, php, perl, mySQL etc. seems like we're doing a big disservice to our students. It's really dangerous, I think, to put all your eggs in one IT basket. But I'm just a freak that doesn't understand the business world so nobody listens to me. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op zaterdag 3 april 2004 18:44, schreef Ronald J. Hall: Any? Some friends of mine in IT here in this county say there are no Linux refs/books for IT - in other words, how to use Linux in the workplace. Any thing I can point them at? maybe this is useful? http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-roadmap.html regards ronald - -- Registered Linux User 163597 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAcDsDoPgG5kUDwJIRAllDAKCMLioiWUevwJqHFM4QWcAN/wmywQCgjUpT cBIa6qZeXJkQggZbvei2ruM= =EwOD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
On April 4, 2004 07:33 am, Todd Slater wrote: snip At the tech college where I work, we have one person that dominates a portion of the IT curriculum. So, if you want to learn about Web publishing, you won't learn any free database or scripting languages, you'll be forced to learn IIS, java, asp and .NET. I keep telling them I don't know anybody who uses that stuff, which is probably just because I'm selective in choosing my friends ;) but seriously, to think we're graduating people who don't know squat about Apache, php, perl, mySQL etc. seems like we're doing a big disservice to our students. Your college is when you consider the large number of sites that use the services you named and what appears to be the decilining number of sites that use junk like IIS. The java course might be useful but knowing Apache, php, perl, mySQL etc is a ticket to ride these days. People trained on M$ stuff are a dime a dozen right now. People trained in the good stuff seem to be mighty rare. :-) It's really dangerous, I think, to put all your eggs in one IT basket. But I'm just a freak that doesn't understand the business world so nobody listens to me. I'd say your person who dominates the IT cirriculum is the one who isn't paying attention to the real world. But then perhaps the real world has nothing to do with it. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
On Sunday 04 April 2004 12:42 pm, Ronald wrote: -maybe this is useful? - -http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-roadmap.html - -regards ronald Thanks, I'll use that! :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:42 am, many eyes viewed Paul's words:- Any? Some friends of mine in IT here in this county say there are no Linux refs/books for IT - in other words, how to use Linux in the workplace. Any thing I can point them at? Thanks! What country or planet is that? Possibly Linux has not arrived there yet, but please tell your friends it is on its way just as day after night. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 + What does education often do? It makes a straight-cut ditch of a free, meandering brook. ...Henry David Thoreau This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
On Saturday 03 April 2004 12:42 pm, Paul wrote: -Your friends are clearly people of great insight knowledge. :-) -The top publishers of linux-related book are O'Reilly their site is at -http://www.oreilly.com/ Thanks Paul, I had already sent them the URL... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
On Saturday 03 April 2004 11:17 am, Alexandre Dubois wrote: -Not sure what you are after, what is your current knowledge in IT in general -and Linux in particular. Oreilly (http://www.oreilly.com/) are known to be the -leader editor for opensource projects. O'Reilly is great, own several of the books myself - and I referred these friends to their web site. They responded that was great, but we don't see them here in our community/colleges... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] IT/workplace Linux orientated books
On Saturday 03 April 2004 05:43 pm, Charlie wrote: -What country or planet is that? Possibly Linux has not arrived there yet, but -please tell your friends it is on its way just as day after night. - -Charlie I know, I know, I've been trying to bring them into this century but...you know :-( -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
