Re: [newbie] Installed Mandrake 10.0 Official
On Thursday 29 April 2004 02:08 pm, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: o Most of my settings carried over with no problems. On the minus side: o Didn't help with my sound or usb problems. Try going to mandrake control center/ boot/ boot loader and check Force No APIC. and then reboot. That cured both my sound and USB problems. Marc -- Composed on a 100% Microsoft and Windows free computer using Mandrake Linux 10.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installed Mandrake 10.0 Official
On April 29, 2004 19:11, Lanman wrote: ... Ron; By the sounds of the desktop manager that you seem to be using (KDE), you can log into your box as a normal user (ie; Ron ? ), then open KControl (StartSystemConfigurationConfigure Your Desktop), and go to the section called (What Else?)System ! Open that section up, and find the section called Login Manager. You will see a button near the bottom called Administrator. Click it, and enter the password you originally used for the root user. Once inside of that, click on the tab called Users. On the left, you will see a section called Show Users. Click on Selected Only, and then put an X in the box beside each user's name that you'd like to see at the login panel. For security sake, leave all unneeded user's unchecked. Click Apply in the lower right corner, and you're done. The next time you boot it up, your Desktop Manager will show you the Login Panel like you're used to seeing. Enjoy! Lanman Ahh, that did the trick perfectly, and without switching display managers (I'm using the default, MdkKDM). Cool! Thanks for the tip. I guess I can see the rationale for hiding this from newbies. Once they've learned enough to be able to activate it, they're more likely to be able to use it safely. And while I was at it, I discovered how to put the focus on the password field. It always bugged me that it came up with the focus in the wrong place (on the login button, requiring me to either tab twice or mouse click to enter my password). Lots of other options in there I haven't even explored yet too. -- Ron Hunter-Duvar ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. Rights to use these opinions are granted under the GNU GPL. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installed Mandrake 10.0 Official
On Thursday 29 April 2004 21:08, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: snip o No longer any option to login to X as root. I know they discouraged this anyway, but when doing sys admin work, it was more convenient that repeatedly supplying the root password, and certainly safer than having the various admin tools remember the root password (I'm surprised they even offer such an option, since it grants root access to anyone with physical access). /snip Ron, this is not enterily true. I'll take it that you use the default display manager, something like mandkrakeDM, but if you change that to KDM (K Display Manager) you'll get the option to log in as root. When doing so, you'll be presented with a red screen, some warnings about running as root, a button to log out immidiately and no icons. By ignoring all this, you are root in X and can run whatever you like, and destroy whatever Murphy's law dictates. To change your display manager, go to System -- Configuration -- Configure your computer -- System -- Display Manager. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installed Mandrake 10.0 Official
On Thursday 29 April 2004 23:05, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: On April 29, 2004 14:52, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Thursday 29 April 2004 21:08, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: snip o No longer any option to login to X as root. I know they discouraged this anyway, but when doing sys admin work, it was more convenient that repeatedly supplying the root password, and certainly safer than having the various admin tools remember the root password (I'm surprised they even offer such an option, since it grants root access to anyone with physical access). /snip Ron, this is not enterily true. I'll take it that you use the default display manager, something like mandkrakeDM, but if you change that to KDM (K Display Manager) you'll get the option to log in as root. When doing so, you'll be presented with a red screen, some warnings about running as root, a button to log out immidiately and no icons. By ignoring all this, you are root in X and can run whatever you like, and destroy whatever Murphy's law dictates. To change your display manager, go to System -- Configuration -- Configure your computer -- System -- Display Manager. HTH Kaj Haulrich. Interesting. I'm not going to try it now because I have too much on the go to log out, but I'll try it later. The red screen and warning are exactly what I remember. So was 10.0 CE using KDM by default? Or did MdkKDM have this option and they took it out for the official release? No, no, and no. Do you know what the diffs are between the two DMs? Appearance, and the option to log in as root in KDM. Personally, I don't see how it's any harder to destroy things at the command line than at the GUI. If anything, the GUI has more are you sure? prompts than the command line does. Didn't do me any harm anyway. Anyway, thanks for the tip. You are welcome. Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installed Mandrake 10.0 Official
On Friday 30 April 2004 00:35, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: On April 29, 2004 15:36, Kaj Haulrich wrote: ... So was 10.0 CE using KDM by default? Or did MdkKDM have this option and they took it out for the official release? No, no, and no. ... Kaj Haulrich. Now ya got me confused again (not all that hard to do). In 10.0 CE, I used whatever the default DM was (didn't even know how to change it). This default DM had the option to login as root. Now I'm in 10.0 Official, and still using the default DM, which is MdkKDM. The option to login as root is gone. So either they took the option out of MdkKDM between CE and Official, or I wasn't using MdkKDM before. One of these must be true. They can't both be false. True. But what's your problem ? - Aside from your excellent, boolean logic, why not just change your display manager ? - And, I agree with your previous statements about root warnings. Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installed Mandrake 10.0 Official
Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: On April 29, 2004 17:29, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 30 April 2004 00:35, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: On April 29, 2004 15:36, Kaj Haulrich wrote: ... So was 10.0 CE using KDM by default? Or did MdkKDM have this option and they took it out for the official release? No, no, and no. ... Kaj Haulrich. Now ya got me confused again (not all that hard to do). In 10.0 CE, I used whatever the default DM was (didn't even know how to change it). This default DM had the option to login as root. Now I'm in 10.0 Official, and still using the default DM, which is MdkKDM. The option to login as root is gone. So either they took the option out of MdkKDM between CE and Official, or I wasn't using MdkKDM before. One of these must be true. They can't both be false. True. But what's your problem ? - Aside from your excellent, boolean logic, why not just change your display manager ? - And, I agree with your previous statements about root warnings. Kaj Haulrich. No problem really, other than my own curiosity. I don't like unexplained changes. I also don't like having useful options taken away from me. I'd like to know exactly what was changed between releases. They should have at least noted such a change in the release notes (I thought that's what they were for). But I guess it is what it is, and I'll just leave it at that. No point wasting anymore bandwidth on it. Ron; Pardon me for jumping in at this point, but if I understand your problem correctly, you aren't seeing the root user in your login panel? Is that what the problem is? If so, get back to me, because this is an easy fix. I've been seeing this for quite sometime now. I'm under the impression that Mandrake has done this on purpose to deter a newbie from logging in as root. I think they've done this as a security precaution. Let me know if that's what's causing you the grief. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
