Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
Johan Sch wrote: Hi List, Looking at IBM laptops I see the following..for processors.. Intel p4.. various speeds. celerion.. various speeds. centrino.. various speeds. The centrino seem to be the slower one than the other two. Do not mind price .. hardware .. trying to find what would be best in long run between the 3 processors. Kindly some pointers and suggestions to IBM laptops .. please. I will be crossing that bridge very soon. Thanks Johan; There's a lot of things to consider when buying a laptop. My personal preference is a laptop that can handle a normal P4, and NOT a P4M. While this means that it will use battery power faster, most of the time I'm using the laptop, I'm plugged in to AC power somewhere. P4M's (Pentium 4 Mobile CPU's) are OK, but a standard P4 and laptop that uses Hyper-Threading will always outperform a P4M without question. Also, you should be able to upgrade the P4 as new ones come out, and P4's will always be less expensive than the P4M's. One other thing about P4's. Some of the newer P4's also have onboard cache that is one MB, and not 512K. This makes a huge difference in how fast the laptop will run. All that extra performance will keep you happy with the laptop much longer than a Centrino or Celeron could ever hope to do. Celeron CPU's are basically the same as a P4, but have a lot less cache onboard, and this is what makes them slower. Centrino's aren't an actual CPU, but a collection of P4M, Intel Chipset, Intel graphics GPU, and wireless and/or Bluetooth technologies built-in. Once I knew they used the P4M, I never kept looking for more details so you might want to look into that a bit more. I've set up or owned Toshiba, Compaq and Asus laptops. My problem is that my clients see whichever one I have and offer to buy them right there! The next one on my shopping list is the ECS G900 which can be viewed here; http://www.ecsusa.com/products/g900.html And that says it all. I know ECS isn't always known for their quality, but I have to see how this one runs before passing judgement. I'm hoping that it will surprise me. Since laptops are very expensive, most people don't buy new ones very often. My philosophy is to buy the fastest, most powerful one you can buy for the best price, so that your investment lasts a long time. Remember that many laptops will have modems which aren't supported by Linux, and others can be a real pain to set up. If you manage to get a modem working, consider yourself very lucky! If possible, try to find one that comes without an OS, so that you can do a fresh install and not have to worry about a Windows recovery CD set erasing your whole hard drive. HTH Cheers! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Saturday 31 July 2004 06:41 am, Johan Sch wrote: Hi List, Looking at IBM laptops I see the following..for processors.. Intel p4 .. various speeds. celerion .. various speeds. Not as good as equivilent P4, stay away if you can centrino .. various speeds. Really the Pentium-M. Centroni is a brand that means the combination of the processor, chipset and WiFi card. It has a slower clock speed, but more work per cycle a la AMD, giving a cooler chip that uses less power and does the same amount of work. My 1.6GHz Pentium-M compiles a kernel a few seconds faster than my desktop 2400+. Intel's reliance on the Megehertz myth the past few yeares to try and best AMD has cost them with the Pentium-M IMO. The centrino seem to be the slower one than the other two. Do not mind price .. hardware .. trying to find what would be best in long run between the 3 processors. In a laptop, the Pentium-M IMHO. Kindly some pointers and suggestions to IBM laptops .. please. I like the T series the best. A great blend of portability and power. The R's are to big and bulky, and the others are crippled or too small. I will be crossing that bridge very soon. Thanks -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Saturday 31 July 2004 14:34, Bill W. wrote: Hi, I would like to put in a good word for Dell laptops. I have used 2 different models. The Inspiron 8000 and the Inspiron 9100. Both are considered heavy at around 8 or 9 pounds. The reason I chose them is that they both are easily setup with Mandrake. I dual boot into both of them. I had minor installation problems, both easily resolved with an email to this list. Another reason that I chose them is that they are both considered gaming machines with dedicated (upgradeable) video cards. No dependence on 'integrated' graphics. The 9100 is new and has a 3.2 Ghz P4 (not mobile). I generally use this machine at two different locations but plugged into power at both. I'm not sure if you have been pointed to the linux laptops page yet, so here's a real good link for that information. http://www.linux-laptop.net/ Best of luck in your research, I'll give one vote for Dell. (They also have dedicated forums for issues that may arise). Dell needed a good word. I was about to place them with gateway. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Saturday 31 July 2004 03:41 am, Johan Sch wrote: | Hi List, | | Looking at IBM laptops I see the following..for processors.. | | I've installed 9.2 on a couple of different IBM's, and a friend of mine put 10.0 on one. With 9.2 the laptops had a Savage vid card, and I had to download and install a different driver than the default that came with Mandrake in order to get the proper screen resolution. The Savage may have been fixed in 10, because my friend's laptop also had that card and he didn't mention that he had any problems. Another gotcha is the LinModem, which requires downloading a driver (ltmodem-kv_2.4.22_10mdk-8.26a9-1.i586.rpm). There was a thread on making the 2.4-kernel driver work with 2.6 here during the past week. My friend with 10 has broadband, so he didn't bother with the modem and I have no more info on that. Everything else worked right from the get-go. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Saturday 31 July 2004 04:17 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Saturday 31 July 2004 14:34, Bill W. wrote: Hi, I would like to put in a good word for Dell laptops. I have used 2 different models. The Inspiron 8000 and the Inspiron 9100. Both are considered heavy at around 8 or 9 pounds. The reason I chose them is that they both are easily setup with Mandrake. I dual boot into both of them. I had minor installation problems, both easily resolved with an email to this list. Another reason that I chose them is that they are both considered gaming machines with dedicated (upgradeable) video cards. No dependence on 'integrated' graphics. The 9100 is new and has a 3.2 Ghz P4 (not mobile). I generally use this machine at two different locations but plugged into power at both. I'm not sure if you have been pointed to the linux laptops page yet, so here's a real good link for that information. http://www.linux-laptop.net/ Best of luck in your research, I'll give one vote for Dell. (They also have dedicated forums for issues that may arise). Dell needed a good word. I was about to place them with gateway. Dell has also recently anounced two linux corporate workstations in their inventory. I can't afford one but at least it is a start. Dell is making a move to include the penquin. -- Dennis M. Linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Laptop choice
Thanks Mikkel, I see that there is a RPM for the modem on Mandrake Club, but I am not a member so didn't look further. I am not a club member because it is too difficult to transfer money overseas [ credit card is not an option ] and being on very slow dialup, unable to download anything much, at all. So I am stymied till we in the bush of Australia also become a first world nation. But thanks for that information. Charlie For the 2.4.x kernels, try: http://www.zisos.com/linux/linux.html Mikkel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 04:36 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Acer 1350, with 9.2, can't get the winmodem to work, because I don't | have the kernel source. | | Depending on the winmodem, you may not need the kernel source. There | are RPMs out with the modules compiled for different kernels, as well as | modules that are set up to work with kernel familys, instead of | different kernels. | | I am using a winmodem on my Thinkpad with a stock kernel, and a driver | from an add-on RPM. | | Mikkel | | Thanks Mikkel, This is the driver I used on an IBM T28 with 9.2--worked great. Do a Google search for it. ltmodem-kv_2.4.22_10mdk-8.26a9-1.i586 Can't remember where I got it, or if I needed the kernel-source, but I'm not a club member either, so it was somewhere else. It is 3.9GB, so I suppose I could e-mail it to you if you can't find it anywhere. I'm on dial-up also, so it would take a while to upload/download. e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:21 am, Erylon Hines wrote: On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 04:36 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Acer 1350, with 9.2, can't get the winmodem to work, because I don't | have the kernel source. | | Depending on the winmodem, you may not need the kernel source. There | are RPMs out with the modules compiled for different kernels, as well | as modules that are set up to work with kernel familys, instead of | different kernels. | | I am using a winmodem on my Thinkpad with a stock kernel, and a driver | from an add-on RPM. | | Mikkel | | Thanks Mikkel, This is the driver I used on an IBM T28 with 9.2--worked great. Do a Google search for it. ltmodem-kv_2.4.22_10mdk-8.26a9-1.i586 Can't remember where I got it, or if I needed the kernel-source, but I'm not a club member either, so it was somewhere else. It is 3.9GB, so I suppose I could e-mail it to you if you can't find it anywhere. I'm on dial-up also, so it would take a while to upload/download. e Thanks Erylon, I will seek it out. Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- The knowledge of an unlearned man is living and luxuriant like a forest, but covered with mosses and lichens and for the most part inaccessible and going to waste; the knowledge of the man of science is like timber collected in yards for public works, which still supports a green sprout here and there, but even this is liable to dry rot. .Henry David Thoreau ___ This email is guaranteed to be Wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Experience what others using Mandrake Linux have experienced at:- http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:49 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Thanks Mikkel, I see that there is a RPM for the modem on Mandrake Club, but I am not a member so didn't look further. I am not a club member because it is too difficult to transfer money overseas [ credit card is not an option ] and being on very slow dialup, unable to download anything much, at all. So I am stymied till we in the bush of Australia also become a first world nation. But thanks for that information. Charlie For the 2.4.x kernels, try: http://www.zisos.com/linux/linux.html Mikkel Am looking at it now, thank you again. Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- Water is the only drink for a wise man. ...Henry David Thoreau ___ This email is guaranteed to be Wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Experience what others using Mandrake Linux have experienced at:- http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acer 1350, with 9.2, can't get the winmodem to work, because I don't have the kernel source. Depending on the winmodem, you may not need the kernel source. There are RPMs out with the modules compiled for different kernels, as well as modules that are set up to work with kernel familys, instead of different kernels. I am using a winmodem on my Thinkpad with a stock kernel, and a driver from an add-on RPM. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Friday 04 June 2004 08:10 am, Johan Sch wrote: It was suggested to me that IBM laptops are ..very..linux friendly? Yes, I have a T41 that works great with 10.0. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
From: Johan Sch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/06/04 Fri AM 08:10:16 EDT To: [Newbie] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Laptop choice Hi laptop users, Please .. if you should have the chance to a buy a new laptop..what make..model..etc..would be top of your list. This is for linux use..like mandrake..suse. It was suggested to me that IBM laptops are ..very..linux friendly? Thanks -- Johan Registered Linux User #330034 May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com I have a Compaq Presario that works like a champ with ML10. Only I have not tried to use the onboard modem as I have a cable connection and use the PCMCIA slot for NIC card. HTH Dennis M. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 8:36:36 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Johan Sch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/06/04 Fri AM 08:10:16 EDT To: [Newbie] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Laptop choice Hi laptop users, Please .. if you should have the chance to a buy a new laptop..what make..model..etc..would be top of your list. This is for linux use..like mandrake..suse. It was suggested to me that IBM laptops are ..very..linux friendly? Thanks -- Johan Registered Linux User #330034 May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com I have a Compaq Presario that works like a champ with ML10. Only I have not tried to use the onboard modem as I have a cable connection and use the PCMCIA slot for NIC card. HTH Dennis M. My elcheapo Dell 1100 works fine on 10.0. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
Please .. if you should have the chance to a buy a new laptop..what make..model..etc..would be top of your list. This is for linux use..like mandrake..suse. My DELL Latitude C840 installed Mdk10 without any problems. Runs great. David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Laptop choice
On Friday 04 June 2004 05:00 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 8:36:36 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Johan Sch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/06/04 Fri AM 08:10:16 EDT To: [Newbie] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Laptop choice Hi laptop users, Please .. if you should have the chance to a buy a new laptop..what make..model..etc..would be top of your list. This is for linux use..like mandrake..suse. It was suggested to me that IBM laptops are ..very..linux friendly? Thanks -- Johan Registered Linux User #330034 May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com I have a Compaq Presario that works like a champ with ML10. Only I have not tried to use the onboard modem as I have a cable connection and use the PCMCIA slot for NIC card. HTH Dennis M. My elcheapo Dell 1100 works fine on 10.0. Lee John, Have had no problem with Toshibas (Tecra and Satelite). If you look on the list their are several issues that hunt laptop users: 1. Video 2. Sound 3. Shut down. I had no problem with them on toshibas. Go to http://www.linux-laptop.net/. It is a helpfull place with setting laptop. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
