Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
rikona wrote: TBHey, one thing I forgot to mention. On some hardware you'll TB need to use the Left Alt key, the one on the right won't do. ;) Are you serious, or is this one of the list 'leg-pullers'? :-) If serious, what's the difference? I'm no doubt a bit late on this one. But the right Alt key is, on some (European ??) keyboards hard-wired as Alt + Control (for entering the key codes of our weird currencies and accented characters). If it is, it's often labelled Alt Gr. From then on, it depends on the program. Some are happy if an Alt key has been pressed, no matter which, others make the distinction between Alt and Alt+Ctl .. And MS Word sometimes will and sometimes won't accept AltGr+Y as the same as Alt+Ctl+Y (its thoroughly Windows-compatible 'find again' keystroke). It isn't a leg-pull, Rikona, it's a key difference :-) John _ Envie de discuter en live avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
On Monday 09 Jun 2003 7:24 am, ajx wrote: rikona wrote: TBHey, one thing I forgot to mention. On some hardware you'll TB need to use the Left Alt key, the one on the right won't do. ;) Are you serious, or is this one of the list 'leg-pullers'? :-) If serious, what's the difference? I'm no doubt a bit late on this one. But the right Alt key is, on some (European ??) keyboards hard-wired as Alt + Control (for entering the key codes of our weird currencies and accented characters). If it is, it's often labelled Alt Gr. Ah - that explains it. I've known for years that there was a difference, but with a uk keyboard layout it has made little difference until we got the ¤ symbol. Now it all slips into place g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
On Tuesday 03 Jun 2003 7:22 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Tom, Friday, May 30, 2003, 7:20:18 AM, you wrote: TB On Thursday May 29 2003 08:01 pm, rikona wrote: TB I've never needed to use Alt+SysRqr+s-e-i-u-b, but it's a good TB thing to look up the process and remember that goofy phrase ;) Goofy, but nice to know about. :-) TBHey, one thing I forgot to mention. On some hardware you'll need TB to use the Left Alt key, the one on the right won't do. ;) Are you serious, or is this one of the list 'leg-pullers'? :-) If serious, what's the difference? Not a leg-pull. I can't tell you what the difference is, but it exists. For instance, on my keyboard, if I use Rt-Alt+4 I get ¤, but if I use left-Alt + 4 I get nothing at all. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jun 2003 7:22 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Tom, Friday, May 30, 2003, 7:20:18 AM, you wrote: TB On Thursday May 29 2003 08:01 pm, rikona wrote: TB I've never needed to use Alt+SysRqr+s-e-i-u-b, but it's a good TB thing to look up the process and remember that goofy phrase ;) Goofy, but nice to know about. :-) TBHey, one thing I forgot to mention. On some hardware you'll need TB to use the Left Alt key, the one on the right won't do. ;) Are you serious, or is this one of the list 'leg-pullers'? :-) If serious, what's the difference? Not a leg-pull. I can't tell you what the difference is, but it exists. For instance, on my keyboard, if I use Rt-Alt+4 I get , but if I use left-Alt + 4 I get nothing at all. Anne On some keyboards the left Alt key is marked Alt and the right Alt is marked Alt Gr. I have no idea what the Gr stands for, but I assume that the two keys were marked differently for a good reason! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
On Tuesday 03 Jun 2003 8:56 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Not a leg-pull. I can't tell you what the difference is, but it exists. For instance, on my keyboard, if I use Rt-Alt+4 I get ¤, but if I use left-Alt + 4 I get nothing at all. IIUC, the right Alt, Alt Gr is used to construct accented characters etc. in locales that require it. In my (UK) locale it produces different characters, but not accents. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
Margot wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jun 2003 7:22 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Tom, Friday, May 30, 2003, 7:20:18 AM, you wrote: TB On Thursday May 29 2003 08:01 pm, rikona wrote: TB I've never needed to use Alt+SysRqr+s-e-i-u-b, but it's a good TB thing to look up the process and remember that goofy phrase ;) Goofy, but nice to know about. :-) TBHey, one thing I forgot to mention. On some hardware you'll need TB to use the Left Alt key, the one on the right won't do. ;) Are you serious, or is this one of the list 'leg-pullers'? :-) If serious, what's the difference? Not a leg-pull. I can't tell you what the difference is, but it exists. For instance, on my keyboard, if I use Rt-Alt+4 I get , but if I use left-Alt + 4 I get nothing at all. Anne On some keyboards the left Alt key is marked Alt and the right Alt is marked Alt Gr. I have no idea what the Gr stands for, but I assume that the two keys were marked differently for a good reason! I'd always assumed it stood for graphic. On my keyboard I need to use it to get symbols like @, #, \ etc. (Turkish has more letters than English, so there aren't enough keys to go round). Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
On Wednesday 04 Jun 2003 7:49 am, Robin Turner wrote: Margot wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: Not a leg-pull. I can't tell you what the difference is, but it exists. For instance, on my keyboard, if I use Rt-Alt+4 I get , but if I use left-Alt + 4 I get nothing at all. Anne On some keyboards the left Alt key is marked Alt and the right Alt is marked Alt Gr. I have no idea what the Gr stands for, but I assume that the two keys were marked differently for a good reason! I'd always assumed it stood for graphic. On my keyboard I need to use it to get symbols like @, #, \ etc. (Turkish has more letters than English, so there aren't enough keys to go round). IIRC it stood for 'grey' - it was darker on early keyboards. Just a way of referencing it of course, it doesn't give any clue as to what the true difference is. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
On Wednesday 04 Jun 2003 7:28 am, Richard Urwin wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jun 2003 8:56 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Not a leg-pull. I can't tell you what the difference is, but it exists. For instance, on my keyboard, if I use Rt-Alt+4 I get ¤, but if I use left-Alt + 4 I get nothing at all. IIUC, the right Alt, Alt Gr is used to construct accented characters etc. in locales that require it. In my (UK) locale it produces different characters, but not accents. I think that's because the EN character set doesn't have them in the first set (the second half of the set is not normally accessed). I don't know anything about using more than one character set, but some here do that. If you need it they can probably point you at the answer. Meanwhile, if you only need it occasionally, and in word processed documents, KWord can accept the Alt-numberpad characters from the extended set. HTH Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
quoting rikona's missive of Tuesday 27 May 2003 08:02 pm: Hello Dennis, Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 6:36:31 PM, you wrote: DM I'm not sure what happened but you can try hittine ctl-alt-F6 and DM that should take you to a console screen where you can type DM reboot. There is probably a more elegant way to recover, so DM anyone who knows jump right in here. HTH Thank you [recovering from typical newbie panic] :-)) Elegant or not, it worked OK. It rebooted to the previous state, not where I was at the 'oops'. Lost some work, I guess, but no disaster. Hi; Here's one brief 'n' basic quickie type reference to keyboard shortcuts. http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/shortcuts.html The Linux Newbie Administrator's Guide offers more under the 5.1 heading. Just scroll down from the linked page; http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/lnag_commands.html and a brief list from Red Hat docs: http://linuxwww.epfl.ch/Doc/rh-9/rhl-gsg-en-9/keyboard-shortcuts.html That should get you started; but if you really want to suffer information overload, open a terminal su (type su then type your root password) then type urpmi rute and hit enter. If you have a contrib source set up you'll get a _very_ complete documentation project installed, but bring a lunch when you click the new Howtos English (or whatever installed your language is) in the documentation menu. You'll be there a *lonnng time.* g Have fun. Charlie -- Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake 9.1 Bamboo (cooked) 08:40:35 up 15 days, 43 min, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.16, 0.11 First Law of Procrastination: Procrastination shortens the job and places the responsibility for its termination on someone else (i.e., the authority who imposed the deadline). Fifth Law of Procrastination: Procrastination avoids boredom; one never has the feeling that there is nothing important to do. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
On Tuesday 27 May 2003 08:30 pm, rikona wrote: Hello, As I was reading email on another comp, Mandrake 'went to sleep' as it does after a short time. It has been doing this quite often, without incident. When I just moved the mouse to 'awaken' MD, all the many things I had open are gone, including the 'process' bar (or whatever it's called) at the bottom of the screen. In a root shell, ps lists essentially nothing. What happened? It also occured to me that I don't know how to exit from this safely, either. :-( What shell command is used to shut down MD safely after an 'incident'? I'm not sure what happened but you can try hittine ctl-alt-F6 and that should take you to a console screen where you can type reboot. There is probably a more elegant way to recover, so anyone who knows jump right in here. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Oops - what happened?
On Tue, 27 May 2003 20:36:31 -0500 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2003 08:30 pm, rikona wrote: Hello, As I was reading email on another comp, Mandrake 'went to sleep' as it does after a short time. It has been doing this quite often, without incident. When I just moved the mouse to 'awaken' MD, all the many things I had open are gone, including the 'process' bar (or whatever it's called) at the bottom of the screen. In a root shell, ps lists essentially nothing. What happened? It also occured to me that I don't know how to exit from this safely, either. :-( What shell command is used to shut down MD safely after an 'incident'? I'm not sure what happened but you can try hittine ctl-alt-F6 and that should take you to a console screen where you can type reboot. There is probably a more elegant way to recover, so anyone who knows jump right in here. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 ctl-alt-backspace will restart the window manager. That might be all that is needed instead of a complete reboot. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
