Re: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel
On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 05:23, Anders Lind wrote: Or you could just download the latest kernel rpm and simnply rpm -Uvh kernelname.rpm Yes that would be possible also, but then he misses the chance to configure it to his own liking Well I suppose he could download the .src rpm and configure it if he chooses, then build it to rpm, then install it. Anthony Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel
On 01 Dec 2002 08:07:04 -0500 Anthony Abby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I suppose he could download the .src rpm and configure it if he chooses, then build it to rpm, then install it. The operative and VERY IMPORTANT word here is INSTALL the new kernel. NEVER UPGRADE or use Uvh with a kernel. Charles I may not be able to walk, but I drive from a sitting position. -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel
On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 08:27, Charles A Edwards wrote: On 01 Dec 2002 08:07:04 -0500 Anthony Abby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I suppose he could download the .src rpm and configure it if he chooses, then build it to rpm, then install it. The operative and VERY IMPORTANT word here is INSTALL the new kernel. NEVER UPGRADE or use Uvh with a kernel. Why would that be? I've done it many times without problem. Anthony Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel
Have downloaded the source kernel. Will attempt to install the new one soon. Wish me luck LOL Walt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles A Edwards Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel On 01 Dec 2002 08:07:04 -0500 Anthony Abby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I suppose he could download the .src rpm and configure it if he chooses, then build it to rpm, then install it. The operative and VERY IMPORTANT word here is INSTALL the new kernel. NEVER UPGRADE or use Uvh with a kernel. Charles I may not be able to walk, but I drive from a sitting position. -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel
On 01 Dec 2002 08:24:53 -0500 Anthony Abby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would that be? I've done it many times without problem. If there is a problem with your new kernel and it will not boot then you are screwed since you have no other kernel with which you can boot. If on the other hand you have installed your new kernel using -ivh then your old kernel still exist and is still bootable. Using -ivh for all kernel installs is standard practice. You have been lucky thus far but luck is fickle and has a bad habit of changing, mine usually from bad to worse. (-: Charles Sorry, no fortune this time. -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel
If there is a problem with your new kernel and it will not boot then you are screwed since you have no other kernel with which you can boot. If on the other hand you have installed your new kernel using -ivh then your old kernel still exist and is still bootable. Using -ivh for all kernel installs is standard practice. You have been lucky thus far but luck is fickle and has a bad habit of changing, mine usually from bad to worse. (-: Ahh, got it, but I usually keep a boot disk around also. Never had to use it though. Anthony Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel
On 01 Dec 2002 09:27:51 -0500 Anthony Abby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh, got it, but I usually keep a boot disk around also. Never had to use it though. Be very glad because it would not work. If the disk was made from the old kernel then it no longer exists, i.e no img or anything else relating to that kernel will be found in /boot and the boot will fail when it cannot find said image. If a new kernel fails to boot then the chance are 99.9% that a boot disk made from that kernel will also fail with the same error as when directly booting the new kernel. Charles Fortune's real live weird band names #679: Stukas Over Bedrock -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: SV: [newbie] updating the kernel
On Sunday December 1 2002 08:27 am, Anthony Abby wrote: Charles wrote: If there is a problem with your new kernel and it will not boot then you are screwed since you have no other kernel with which you can boot. If on the other hand you have installed your new kernel using -ivh then your old kernel still exist and is still bootable. Using -ivh for all kernel installs is standard practice. You have been lucky thus far but luck is fickle and has a bad habit of changing, mine usually from bad to worse. (-: Ahh, got it, but I usually keep a boot disk around also. Never had to use it though. Anthony You'd be very lucky if the old bootdisk works, because when upgrading a kernel (-Uvh) you've changed more than just the kernel image (vmlinux). Charles is correct, never UPgrade, always INstall (-ivh). After the new kernel is installed, it should be a boot option, but the current kernel should be kept as the default till you've used the new one for a while without any issues. When/if you decide to make the new kernel the default, then make a bootdisk for it (not before). The best instructions for newbies for installing kernels is http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/install/index.html#ku Beginner's should read all four pages, including the trouble shooting section at the end before tryin to install a new kernel. IMO, the best method for compiling your own is to use Mandrake's source (eg, kernel-source-2.4.20-0.5mdk is the current one). One thing not stressed enough, first edit Makefile as suggested, backup .config and then you _must_ run 'make mrproper' as the first step. EG, cd /usr/src/linux cp .config config.save make mrproper cp config.save .config Then continue on with configuration and compiling ... -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
