Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Tommy Hill]

Got the OEM solenoid and guess what!  It slid right in perfect!  Especially in 
tight spaces, I think easy, even if you pay a little more ($75), is worth it. 

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Greg]

Yea. The cheap Chinese ones are like that. Make sure that the big two tabs and 
the two small ones go where they should. Mine had to be put in backwards.



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Date: 11/07/2015 1:26 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

Quick question. The new solenoid arrived, but the B and M posts are backwards. 
Cables aren't long enough to reach. Suggestions?  Is it possible to reverse 
posts?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Tommy Hill]

Quick question. The new solenoid arrived, but the B and M posts are backwards. 
Cables aren't long enough to reach. Suggestions?  Is it possible to reverse 
posts?  

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Allen Thomas]

Take a paper clip and straighten it out and then smash down one end flat
with hammer. Now you have a tool to remove the wires from the plug. Then
move them to the hole in the plug that puts them where they need to go.

Allen Thomas
On Nov 7, 2015 4:22 PM, "Greg" <gman...@msn.com> wrote:

> Yea. The cheap Chinese ones are like that. Make sure that the big two tabs
> and the two small ones go where they should. Mine had to be put in
> backwards.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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>  Original message 
> From: Tommy Hill <ominbo...@gmail.com>
> Date: 11/07/2015 1:26 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S
>
> Quick question. The new solenoid arrived, but the B and M posts are
> backwards. Cables aren't long enough to reach. Suggestions?  Is it possible
> to reverse posts?
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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Allen Thomas]

Never do what the DSPO did to Glenn's bike.

Allen Thomas
On Nov 7, 2015 7:12 PM, "Allen Thomas" <althomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Take a paper clip and straighten it out and then smash down one end flat
> with hammer. Now you have a tool to remove the wires from the plug. Then
> move them to the hole in the plug that puts them where they need to go.
>
> Allen Thomas
> On Nov 7, 2015 4:22 PM, "Greg" <gman...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Yea. The cheap Chinese ones are like that. Make sure that the big two
>> tabs and the two small ones go where they should. Mine had to be put in
>> backwards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Tommy Hill <ominbo...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 11/07/2015 1:26 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S
>>
>> Quick question. The new solenoid arrived, but the B and M posts are
>> backwards. Cables aren't long enough to reach. Suggestions?  Is it possible
>> to reverse posts?
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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Allen Thomas]

Lol Glenn. BTW did you find the carb stuff helpful?

Allen Thomas
On Nov 7, 2015 11:09 PM, "Kurt Nolte"  wrote:

> Allen's suggestion of a paperclip is a good one. Also a very fine
> jeweler's screwdriver works too. It's a single-tang retention clip, just
> depress the tang with your tool and GENTLY pull on the wire to remove the
> terminal.
>
> If a gentle pull does not do it you need to reposition the tool. Don't
> force it.
>
> Kurt
> On Nov 7, 2015 11:05 PM, "Tommy Hill"  wrote:
>
>> Ugh!  I can't stand a mess like that.  I may just pony up and buy an OEM
>> for $78.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Allen Thomas]

Well that PD cleaning PDF will give you something to read, lol.

Allen Thomas
On Nov 7, 2015 11:52 PM, "EGrider"  wrote:

> Allen, I find everything you post helpful. Friday and Saturday are my long
> work days, and when I got home from work today all I did is watch some
> college ball and go out with my wife. I've got the next two days off and
> the rain continues, and the Browns already lost on Thursday night, so I'll
> have time to study. Thanks, as always.
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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Glenn Evanish]

Allen, you've got to get in there sooner next time before I say something
again!
On Nov 7, 2015 7:13 PM, "Allen Thomas" <althomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Never do what the DSPO did to Glenn's bike.
>
> Allen Thomas
> On Nov 7, 2015 7:12 PM, "Allen Thomas" <althomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Take a paper clip and straighten it out and then smash down one end flat
>> with hammer. Now you have a tool to remove the wires from the plug. Then
>> move them to the hole in the plug that puts them where they need to go.
>>
>> Allen Thomas
>> On Nov 7, 2015 4:22 PM, "Greg" <gman...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yea. The cheap Chinese ones are like that. Make sure that the big two
>>> tabs and the two small ones go where they should. Mine had to be put in
>>> backwards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: 11/07/2015 1:26 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S
>>>
>>> Quick question. The new solenoid arrived, but the B and M posts are
>>> backwards. Cables aren't long enough to reach. Suggestions?  Is it possible
>>> to reverse posts?
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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Tommy Hill]

Ugh!  I can't stand a mess like that.  I may just pony up and buy an OEM for 
$78.

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Kurt Nolte]

Allen's suggestion of a paperclip is a good one. Also a very fine jeweler's
screwdriver works too. It's a single-tang retention clip, just depress the
tang with your tool and GENTLY pull on the wire to remove the terminal.

If a gentle pull does not do it you need to reposition the tool. Don't
force it.

Kurt
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> Ugh!  I can't stand a mess like that.  I may just pony up and buy an OEM
> for $78.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Allen Thomas]

Sure, here is a close up of the solenoid part of the 83-85 CB650 wiring
diagram I reverse engineered from Mr Clymer, however I must say that the
drawing i was working off of was a bit obscured and I think there is a link
that connects the Red wire to the main fuse as well. I say this since the
Red wire is the +12v feed going to the ignition switch. It most likely is
the same for the 700S which I will eventually complete converting into a
Visio as well.
[image: Inline image 1]




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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Allen Thomas]

There is wiring inside the solenoid for the fuse. Sometimes that can burn
up. Also if you bought one of the Chinese solenoids off eBay you may have
to swap the wires that plug into it. As they don't always match despite
being sold as something that is a direct fit. It is easy enough to figure
out the pin outs with a multimeter.

Allen Thomas
On Nov 2, 2015 10:31 PM, "Tommy Hill"  wrote:

> Allen, my trouble shooting went pretty much along the path your mention.
> But I have a question.  Why/how would the solenoid failure kill all?  Only
> thing I can think is a dirty post on the + side
>
> Also, the main fuse flows ALL of the bike's power?  So does the 4 wire
> plug on top of the solenoid not pull off any power before the main fuse?
>
> Just trying to understand the flow...
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Allen Thomas]

I didn't answer your question fully. Two of the wires go to the fuse. One
for battery + the other to the ignition switch. The other wires are for the
relay that operates the starter. So if that fuse or the solenoid fail all
power is lost except for the main feed for the starter. So you can bridge
the solenoid posts and make it crank despite all other power being dead.

Allen Thomas
On Nov 3, 2015 10:15 AM, "Allen Thomas"  wrote:

> There is wiring inside the solenoid for the fuse. Sometimes that can burn
> up. Also if you bought one of the Chinese solenoids off eBay you may have
> to swap the wires that plug into it. As they don't always match despite
> being sold as something that is a direct fit. It is easy enough to figure
> out the pin outs with a multimeter.
>
> Allen Thomas
> On Nov 2, 2015 10:31 PM, "Tommy Hill"  wrote:
>
>> Allen, my trouble shooting went pretty much along the path your mention.
>> But I have a question.  Why/how would the solenoid failure kill all?  Only
>> thing I can think is a dirty post on the + side
>>
>> Also, the main fuse flows ALL of the bike's power?  So does the 4 wire
>> plug on top of the solenoid not pull off any power before the main fuse?
>>
>> Just trying to understand the flow...
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Tommy Hill]

Thanks, Allen. 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Tommy Hill]

Thanks!  I brought the solenoid from my 700S at home and my friend swapped it 
out. Problem solved. Either the fuse, which was just a bare copper wire bundle, 
or the solenoid. Got a new one on the way for mine at home for $10 with the new 
blade style fuse. 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Allen Thomas]

If you have no power at all then it would have to be 1st the main fuse or
the solenoid its self, then ignition switch. Then fuse panel. That is the
electrical path. Be sure your frame ground point is clean.

Allen Thomas
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Tommy Hill]

Allen, my trouble shooting went pretty much along the path your mention.  But I 
have a question.  Why/how would the solenoid failure kill all?  Only thing I 
can think is a dirty post on the + side

Also, the main fuse flows ALL of the bike's power?  So does the 4 wire plug on 
top of the solenoid not pull off any power before the main fuse?

Just trying to understand the flow...

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Kyle Munz]

A sticking ignition switch will cause this behavior too. You really need a
multimeter and the wiring diagram to diagnose this.


-Kyle

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Dead 700S

[Tommy Hill]

Kyle, that was my next thought.  Thanks

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