date:20191007

Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Howard White

Paul,

Thanks.  My problem is not hardware.  I _can_ configure an Epson 9 pin 
driver that does "print" - just not the way I need it to.  And yes, I've 
made something of a hobby of collecting JetDirect boxes over the years 
(even have some Intel branded ones that I never have made work).  The 
problem is squarely CUPS having dropped support and their excuse is 
completely lame.

So this GitHub posting discussing this change basically says "piss off, 
peon; write your own utility to direct raw output to your printer."  And 
that is where I sit - while using Ubuntu 16.04 to print my checks.

But hey, I still have several old computers with Ubuntu 8.04 in support 
of a line of business software (the server of which croaked hence the 
need to replace).  Gonna be hauling a metric butt load of 32bit 
computers to recycling very soon.  And no, Dru, they ain't worth the 
electricity to run.

Howard

On 10/7/19 6:00 PM, Paul Boniol wrote:
I don't know that any of this helps, but I found someone makes a USB to 
25 pin serial cable. :O

I think Alex was talking about HP JetDirect {170X | 300X | 500X}.  Again 
I don't know if that helps any or not.

When I got into Linux, HP Ink Jets were the bees knees for home use, so 
I bypassed dot matrix in Linux.

Amazing how we can keep old tech working. :)

Paul

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:00 PM Jack Coats > wrote:

Alex,  No, you weren't trolling, like Howard really doesn't want
sympathy anyway (he wants the darn thing to work!)

Pre-Ubuntu configuring many devices did take more of the cauldron
and eye of newt method of getting it to work... basically
Ubuntu hid the cauldron and the smoke for most people.  Those of us
that have written device drivers UNDERSTAND what it
takes to keep these high-tech bubble-gum and bandaid things working
even if they do have a new coat of paint and some
bondo on them.

And that is NOT just the *NIX community with all its
permutations that hide the real work from users.  But without doing that
no-ones grandma would be using technology today. (Well mabe great
grandmother, I am now of the grandparent age -- ugh).

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:38 PM Alex Smith (K4RNT)
mailto:shadowhun...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No!

All you gotta do is plug the printer into the JetDirect, and
share it over a network. Is the printer parallel or USB?

" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge
Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's
freedom is trodden on, we’re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard,
quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead"
- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:37 PM Howard White mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>> wrote:

I have a supply, thank you.  :D

Just try and find a motherboard with a 25 pin parallel
port!  A PCIe
card?  I have not looked; don't wanna know...

Howard

On 10/7/19 2:35 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 > Buy a used JetDirect. Could that solve your problems?
 >
 > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first
speech censured,
 > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
chains us all
 > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron
Satie as wisdom
 > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is
trodden on, we’re all
 > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie,
Star Trek: TNG
 > episode "The Drumhead"
 > - Alex Smith
 > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:34 PM Howard White
mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     Not at all, Alex.  I get it.  You saw my struggle
with Arch (for
 >     which I
 >     have tremendous respect but zero luck).
 >
 >     This issue is CUPS which many distros use.  My RTFM
of lpadmin was
 >     short
 >     because the entire lpadmin/lp/lpr suite has been
overtaken by Apple.
 >
 >     Suggestions solicited for a program to send raw print
to a network
 >     enabled (can you say "JetDirect") dot-matrix
printer.  Something less
 >     than dd, thank you.
 >
 >     Howard
 >
 >     On 10/7/19 2:24 PM, Alex Smith

Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Howard White


I have a supply, thank you.  :D

Just try and find a motherboard with a 25 pin parallel port!  A PCIe 
card?  I have not looked; don't wanna know...


Howard

On 10/7/19 2:35 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:

Buy a used JetDirect. Could that solve your problems?

" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, 
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all 
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom 
and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all 
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG 
episode "The Drumhead"

- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:34 PM Howard White > wrote:


Not at all, Alex.  I get it.  You saw my struggle with Arch (for
which I
have tremendous respect but zero luck).

This issue is CUPS which many distros use.  My RTFM of lpadmin was
short
because the entire lpadmin/lp/lpr suite has been overtaken by Apple.

Suggestions solicited for a program to send raw print to a network
enabled (can you say "JetDirect") dot-matrix printer.  Something less
than dd, thank you.

Howard

On 10/7/19 2:24 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 > I hope I didn't come across as a troll, I was just venting when
anyone
 > tries to complain about Ubuntu when they were the ones screaming
about
 > how it's the only Linux they'll use, or anything else is not "easy"
 > enough. I have really good luck with openSUSE, Red
Hat/CentOS/Scientific
 > Linux/Oracle Linux as well as Solaris and OpenIndiana.
 >
 > Best regards...
 >
 > -Alex
 >
 > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
censured,
 > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
 > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
wisdom
 > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
we’re all
 > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
Trek: TNG
 > episode "The Drumhead"
 > - Alex Smith
 > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:12 PM Howard White mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     Creating a print queue external to CUPS really was the point
of my
 >     gripe, Alex.  Ah how we have grown stale by using tools (or
trolls
 >     depending on how they do or do not work) such as CUPS or the ever
 >     popular NetworkManager.
 >
 >     Now off to RTFM the lpadmin man page.
 >
 >     Howard
 >
 >     On 10/7/19 2:02 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 >      > I remember when I had a dot matrix printer and using it
under Linux
 >      > (think Slackware in the end of the 90s), CUPS wasn't
around, and
 >     I just
 >      > created a raw lpr queue. The printer was an Epson 9-pin dot
 >     matrix printer.
 >      >
 >      > Is that no longer possible?
 >      >
 >      > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
 >     censured,
 >      > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
chains us all
 >      > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
 >     wisdom
 >      > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
 >     we’re all
 >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
 >     Trek: TNG
 >      > episode "The Drumhead"
 >      > - Alex Smith
 >      > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >      >
 >      >
 >      > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Howard White
mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
 >     >
 >      > 
      >
 >      >     With a Raw Queue, there is no ppd.
 >      >
 >      >     Howard
 >      >
 >      >     On 10/7/19 1:51 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 >      >      > Can't you just import the PPDs from 16.04?
 >      >      >
 >      >      >
 >      >      > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The
first speech
 >      >     censured,
 >      >      > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
 >     chains us all
 >      >      > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge
Aaron Satie as
 >      >     wisdom
 >      >      > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is
trodden on,
 >      >     we’re all
 >      >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron
Satie, Star
 >      >     Trek: TNG
 >      >      > episode "The Drumhead"
 >

Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Howard White

Not at all, Alex.  I get it.  You saw my struggle with Arch (for which I 
have tremendous respect but zero luck).

This issue is CUPS which many distros use.  My RTFM of lpadmin was short 
because the entire lpadmin/lp/lpr suite has been overtaken by Apple.

Suggestions solicited for a program to send raw print to a network 
enabled (can you say "JetDirect") dot-matrix printer.  Something less 
than dd, thank you.

Howard

On 10/7/19 2:24 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
I hope I didn't come across as a troll, I was just venting when anyone 
tries to complain about Ubuntu when they were the ones screaming about 
how it's the only Linux they'll use, or anything else is not "easy" 
enough. I have really good luck with openSUSE, Red Hat/CentOS/Scientific 
Linux/Oracle Linux as well as Solaris and OpenIndiana.

Best regards...

-Alex

" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, 
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all 
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom 
and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all 
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG 
episode "The Drumhead"

- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:12 PM Howard White > wrote:

Creating a print queue external to CUPS really was the point of my
gripe, Alex.  Ah how we have grown stale by using tools (or trolls
depending on how they do or do not work) such as CUPS or the ever
popular NetworkManager.

Now off to RTFM the lpadmin man page.

Howard

On 10/7/19 2:02 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 > I remember when I had a dot matrix printer and using it under Linux
 > (think Slackware in the end of the 90s), CUPS wasn't around, and
I just
 > created a raw lpr queue. The printer was an Epson 9-pin dot
matrix printer.
 >
 > Is that no longer possible?
 >
 > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
censured,
 > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
 > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
wisdom
 > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
we’re all
 > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
Trek: TNG
 > episode "The Drumhead"
 > - Alex Smith
 > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Howard White mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     With a Raw Queue, there is no ppd.
 >
 >     Howard
 >
 >     On 10/7/19 1:51 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 >      > Can't you just import the PPDs from 16.04?
 >      >
 >      >
 >      > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
 >     censured,
 >      > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
chains us all
 >      > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
 >     wisdom
 >      > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
 >     we’re all
 >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
 >     Trek: TNG
 >      > episode "The Drumhead"
 >      > - Alex Smith
 >      > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >      >
 >      >
 >      > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:50 AM Howard White
mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
 >     >
 >      > 
      >
 >      >     The source of the issue seems to be CUPS which is more
than
 >     just Ubuntu.
 >      >
 >      >     Howard
 >      >
 >      >     On 10/7/19 1:47 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 >      >      > Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it
to be? :P
 >      >      >
 >      >      > That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that
support still?
 >      >      >
 >      >      >
 >      >      > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The
first speech
 >      >     censured,
 >      >      > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
 >     chains us all
 >      >      > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge
Aaron Satie as
 >      >     wisdom
 >      >      > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is
trodden on,
 >      >     we’re all
 >      >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron
Satie, Star
 >      >     Trek: TNG
 >      >      > episode "The Drumhead"
 >      >      > - Alex Smith
 >      >      > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >      >

Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)

I hope I didn't come across as a troll, I was just venting when anyone
tries to complain about Ubuntu when they were the ones screaming about how
it's the only Linux they'll use, or anything else is not "easy" enough. I
have really good luck with openSUSE, Red Hat/CentOS/Scientific Linux/Oracle
Linux as well as Solaris and OpenIndiana.

Best regards...

-Alex

" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the
first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
episode "The Drumhead"
- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:12 PM Howard White  wrote:

> Creating a print queue external to CUPS really was the point of my
> gripe, Alex.  Ah how we have grown stale by using tools (or trolls
> depending on how they do or do not work) such as CUPS or the ever
> popular NetworkManager.
>
> Now off to RTFM the lpadmin man page.
>
> Howard
>
> On 10/7/19 2:02 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
> > I remember when I had a dot matrix printer and using it under Linux
> > (think Slackware in the end of the 90s), CUPS wasn't around, and I just
> > created a raw lpr queue. The printer was an Epson 9-pin dot matrix
> printer.
> >
> > Is that no longer possible?
> >
> > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured,
> > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
> > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom
> > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
> > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
> > episode "The Drumhead"
> > - Alex Smith
> > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Howard White  > > wrote:
> >
> > With a Raw Queue, there is no ppd.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > On 10/7/19 1:51 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
> >  > Can't you just import the PPDs from 16.04?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
> > censured,
> >  > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
> all
> >  > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
> > wisdom
> >  > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
> > we’re all
> >  > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
> > Trek: TNG
> >  > episode "The Drumhead"
> >  > - Alex Smith
> >  > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:50 AM Howard White  > 
> >  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > The source of the issue seems to be CUPS which is more than
> > just Ubuntu.
> >  >
> >  > Howard
> >  >
> >  > On 10/7/19 1:47 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
> >  >  > Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it to be?
> :P
> >  >  >
> >  >  > That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that support
> still?
> >  >  >
> >  >  >
> >  >  > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first
> speech
> >  > censured,
> >  >  > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
> > chains us all
> >  >  > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron
> Satie as
> >  > wisdom
> >  >  > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden
> on,
> >  > we’re all
> >  >  > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie,
> Star
> >  > Trek: TNG
> >  >  > episode "The Drumhead"
> >  >  > - Alex Smith
> >  >  > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
> >  >  >
> >  >  >
> >  >  > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:46 AM Howard White
> > mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
> >  > >
> >  >  > 
> >  >  >  >
> >  >  > Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others
> > I am quite
> >  >  > sure) [
> >  >  > has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw
> >  > Queue.  This
> >  >  > means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?)
> > that I use
> >  > to print
> >  >  > two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04.
> Still
> >  > does in
> >  >  > 16.04.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018
> > where said
> >

Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Howard White

Creating a print queue external to CUPS really was the point of my 
gripe, Alex.  Ah how we have grown stale by using tools (or trolls 
depending on how they do or do not work) such as CUPS or the ever 
popular NetworkManager.


Now off to RTFM the lpadmin man page.

Howard

On 10/7/19 2:02 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
I remember when I had a dot matrix printer and using it under Linux 
(think Slackware in the end of the 90s), CUPS wasn't around, and I just 
created a raw lpr queue. The printer was an Epson 9-pin dot matrix printer.


Is that no longer possible?

" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, 
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all 
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom 
and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all 
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG 
episode "The Drumhead"

- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Howard White > wrote:


With a Raw Queue, there is no ppd.

Howard

On 10/7/19 1:51 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 > Can't you just import the PPDs from 16.04?
 >
 >
 > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
censured,
 > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
 > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
wisdom
 > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
we’re all
 > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
Trek: TNG
 > episode "The Drumhead"
 > - Alex Smith
 > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:50 AM Howard White mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     The source of the issue seems to be CUPS which is more than
just Ubuntu.
 >
 >     Howard
 >
 >     On 10/7/19 1:47 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 >      > Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it to be? :P
 >      >
 >      > That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that support still?
 >      >
 >      >
 >      > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
 >     censured,
 >      > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
chains us all
 >      > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
 >     wisdom
 >      > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
 >     we’re all
 >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
 >     Trek: TNG
 >      > episode "The Drumhead"
 >      > - Alex Smith
 >      > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >      >
 >      >
 >      > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:46 AM Howard White
mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
 >     >
 >      > 
      >
 >      >     Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others
I am quite
 >      >     sure) [
 >      >     has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw
 >     Queue.  This
 >      >     means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?)
that I use
 >     to print
 >      >     two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04.  Still
 >     does in
 >      >     16.04.
 >      >
 >      >     I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018
where said
 >      >     removal is
 >      >     discussed in the Apple/CUPS dominion.  "Almost every
printer
 >      >     manufactured since 2010 supports IPP/2.0 with standard
file
 >     formats.
 >      >
 >      >     Progress is not always kind.
 >      >
 >      >     Howard
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Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)

I remember when I had a dot matrix printer and using it under Linux (think
Slackware in the end of the 90s), CUPS wasn't around, and I just created a
raw lpr queue. The printer was an Epson 9-pin dot matrix printer.

Is that no longer possible?

" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the
first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
episode "The Drumhead"
- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Howard White  wrote:

> With a Raw Queue, there is no ppd.
>
> Howard
>
> On 10/7/19 1:51 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
> > Can't you just import the PPDs from 16.04?
> >
> >
> > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured,
> > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
> > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom
> > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
> > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
> > episode "The Drumhead"
> > - Alex Smith
> > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:50 AM Howard White  > > wrote:
> >
> > The source of the issue seems to be CUPS which is more than just
> Ubuntu.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > On 10/7/19 1:47 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
> >  > Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it to be? :P
> >  >
> >  > That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that support still?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
> > censured,
> >  > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
> all
> >  > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
> > wisdom
> >  > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
> > we’re all
> >  > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
> > Trek: TNG
> >  > episode "The Drumhead"
> >  > - Alex Smith
> >  > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:46 AM Howard White  > 
> >  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others I am
> quite
> >  > sure) [
> >  > has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw
> > Queue.  This
> >  > means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?) that I use
> > to print
> >  > two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04.  Still
> > does in
> >  > 16.04.
> >  >
> >  > I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018 where said
> >  > removal is
> >  > discussed in the Apple/CUPS dominion.  "Almost every printer
> >  > manufactured since 2010 supports IPP/2.0 with standard file
> > formats.
> >  >
> >  > Progress is not always kind.
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Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Howard White


With a Raw Queue, there is no ppd.

Howard

On 10/7/19 1:51 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:

Can't you just import the PPDs from 16.04?


" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, 
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all 
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom 
and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all 
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG 
episode "The Drumhead"

- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:50 AM Howard White > wrote:


The source of the issue seems to be CUPS which is more than just Ubuntu.

Howard

On 10/7/19 1:47 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 > Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it to be? :P
 >
 > That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that support still?
 >
 >
 > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
censured,
 > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
 > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as
wisdom
 > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on,
we’re all
 > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star
Trek: TNG
 > episode "The Drumhead"
 > - Alex Smith
 > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:46 AM Howard White mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others I am quite
 >     sure) [
 >     has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw
Queue.  This
 >     means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?) that I use
to print
 >     two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04.  Still
does in
 >     16.04.
 >
 >     I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018 where said
 >     removal is
 >     discussed in the Apple/CUPS dominion.  "Almost every printer
 >     manufactured since 2010 supports IPP/2.0 with standard file
formats.
 >
 >     Progress is not always kind.
 >
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Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)

Can't you just import the PPDs from 16.04?


" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the
first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
episode "The Drumhead"
- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:50 AM Howard White  wrote:

> The source of the issue seems to be CUPS which is more than just Ubuntu.
>
> Howard
>
> On 10/7/19 1:47 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
> > Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it to be? :P
> >
> > That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that support still?
> >
> >
> > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured,
> > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
> > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom
> > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
> > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
> > episode "The Drumhead"
> > - Alex Smith
> > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:46 AM Howard White  > > wrote:
> >
> > Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others I am quite
> > sure) [
> > has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw Queue.  This
> > means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?) that I use to
> print
> > two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04.  Still does in
> > 16.04.
> >
> > I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018 where said
> > removal is
> > discussed in the Apple/CUPS dominion.  "Almost every printer
> > manufactured since 2010 supports IPP/2.0 with standard file formats.
> >
> > Progress is not always kind.
> >
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Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Howard White


The source of the issue seems to be CUPS which is more than just Ubuntu.

Howard

On 10/7/19 1:47 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:

Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it to be? :P

That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that support still?


" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, 
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all 
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom 
and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all 
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG 
episode "The Drumhead"

- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:46 AM Howard White > wrote:


Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others I am quite
sure) [
has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw Queue.  This
means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?) that I use to print
two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04.  Still does in
16.04.

I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018 where said
removal is
discussed in the Apple/CUPS dominion.  "Almost every printer
manufactured since 2010 supports IPP/2.0 with standard file formats.

Progress is not always kind.

Howard

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Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)

Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it to be? :P

That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that support still?


" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the
first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
episode "The Drumhead"
- Alex Smith
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On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:46 AM Howard White  wrote:

> Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others I am quite sure) [
> has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw Queue.  This
> means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?) that I use to print
> two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04.  Still does in 16.04.
>
> I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018 where said removal is
> discussed in the Apple/CUPS dominion.  "Almost every printer
> manufactured since 2010 supports IPP/2.0 with standard file formats.
>
> Progress is not always kind.
>
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[nlug] Awwww Man!

2019-10-07 Thread Howard White

Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others I am quite sure) [ 
has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw Queue.  This 
means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?) that I use to print 
two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04.  Still does in 16.04.


I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018 where said removal is 
discussed in the Apple/CUPS dominion.  "Almost every printer 
manufactured since 2010 supports IPP/2.0 with standard file formats.


Progress is not always kind.

Howard

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