Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
To clarify, it is the PERC H700/800 line that does this... so even the entry level PERC controllers will still take any drive. Andy On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Daniel Owen danielowe...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the followup on that. At the time I was buying Dell servers they all had PERC controllers so I either never realised there was this demarcation line or I forgot it because it was not relevant to me. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Daniel Owen danielowe...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not entirely sure if this is true across all ranges but early last year Dell started to block non Dell branded drives from being used in their PowerEdge line. I'm not sure if they backported this into firmware upgrades or it is just for new systems. This is really no different than what HP or IBM have been doing for years. They buy commodity drives and then flash their proprietary firmware. It's kind of a pain because you could always add cheap storage to a Dell server and parts shortages were not an issue. Anyway this is something to consider if you plan to add your own cheap drives after purchasing a machine. I have no first hand experience with this issue. When I was in an environment where I purchased hardware I always purchased whatever drives I needed with the system. What really bugged me about this was that there were times where parts would go on backorder and it was nice to know outside of a system board or certain controller cards Dells were just standard parts I could buy on the open market. Here is a link to an article from the time: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/dell_perc_11th_gen_qualified_hdds_only/ I'll certainly be on the phone to Dell before buying this server then. I have a T110 from about 14 months ago and it does not have this issue. I immediately added 3 1.5 Tb drives to it with no issue whatsoever. If they have done this to to their low end server line, then they have lost all future business from me. I'm not willing to pay $200+ for a $70 hard drive. Andy I just spoke with Dell and they confirmed that they are restricting the use of 3rd party drives, but only on their High End PERC controllers which are not available in the T110... So that eliminates that worry. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
I work for Amazon and you can get up on their free tier for a year. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:08, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: A thought on the alternative options. Again a question of what you want to do with it. If you look at rackspace and pricing of a cloud computer, They have it down to $11 a month for the compute time and then add on your bandwidth. I priced it out for 512meg ram, 20gb drive, and 5gb each way and it specs for $23.20 a month. At $23.20 a month, you can be below the cost of housing your own server for about 2 years if the server costs $500. If you can live with half the memory and drive, you can extend that savings out to almost 4 years. Just something to think about. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
Very tempting on both cloud fronts, especially the free one. I am investigating what additional storage costs are as I have quite a bit of data (~0.5 TB) on my server that I would have to move so paying for the storage as well as the data move, unless they don't count the initial load in your network usage. I doubt the free hosting will allow me to stay free but pay for extra storage... we will see. Andy On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I work for Amazon and you can get up on their free tier for a year. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:08, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: A thought on the alternative options. Again a question of what you want to do with it. If you look at rackspace and pricing of a cloud computer, They have it down to $11 a month for the compute time and then add on your bandwidth. I priced it out for 512meg ram, 20gb drive, and 5gb each way and it specs for $23.20 a month. At $23.20 a month, you can be below the cost of housing your own server for about 2 years if the server costs $500. If you can live with half the memory and drive, you can extend that savings out to almost 4 years. Just something to think about. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
BTW I'm a paying user of AWS as well, and the largest bill I've had is about 15 dollars for data transfer, the S3 and EC2 products have usually been $5.00/month. It's pretty cheap, and, like I said, I liked the product even before I started to work here. :) On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:47, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon has the Elastic Block Store product, as well as the famous Simple Storage Service (Amazon S3). http://aws.amazon.com/ This site can answer all your questions. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:36, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: Very tempting on both cloud fronts, especially the free one. I am investigating what additional storage costs are as I have quite a bit of data (~0.5 TB) on my server that I would have to move so paying for the storage as well as the data move, unless they don't count the initial load in your network usage. I doubt the free hosting will allow me to stay free but pay for extra storage... we will see. Andy On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I work for Amazon and you can get up on their free tier for a year. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:08, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: A thought on the alternative options. Again a question of what you want to do with it. If you look at rackspace and pricing of a cloud computer, They have it down to $11 a month for the compute time and then add on your bandwidth. I priced it out for 512meg ram, 20gb drive, and 5gb each way and it specs for $23.20 a month. At $23.20 a month, you can be below the cost of housing your own server for about 2 years if the server costs $500. If you can live with half the memory and drive, you can extend that savings out to almost 4 years. Just something to think about. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
Amazon has the Elastic Block Store product, as well as the famous Simple Storage Service (Amazon S3). http://aws.amazon.com/ This site can answer all your questions. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:36, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: Very tempting on both cloud fronts, especially the free one. I am investigating what additional storage costs are as I have quite a bit of data (~0.5 TB) on my server that I would have to move so paying for the storage as well as the data move, unless they don't count the initial load in your network usage. I doubt the free hosting will allow me to stay free but pay for extra storage... we will see. Andy On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I work for Amazon and you can get up on their free tier for a year. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:08, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: A thought on the alternative options. Again a question of what you want to do with it. If you look at rackspace and pricing of a cloud computer, They have it down to $11 a month for the compute time and then add on your bandwidth. I priced it out for 512meg ram, 20gb drive, and 5gb each way and it specs for $23.20 a month. At $23.20 a month, you can be below the cost of housing your own server for about 2 years if the server costs $500. If you can live with half the memory and drive, you can extend that savings out to almost 4 years. Just something to think about. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
Alex, is there any way you could do a demonstration about Amazon EC2/S3 some day? (Sorry to thread-jack, but I find Amazon's hosting really interesting and I'd love to see someone really lay it all out and show how it would work, from A-Z.) Chris On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: BTW I'm a paying user of AWS as well, and the largest bill I've had is about 15 dollars for data transfer, the S3 and EC2 products have usually been $5.00/month. It's pretty cheap, and, like I said, I liked the product even before I started to work here. :) On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:47, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon has the Elastic Block Store product, as well as the famous Simple Storage Service (Amazon S3). http://aws.amazon.com/ This site can answer all your questions. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:36, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: Very tempting on both cloud fronts, especially the free one. I am investigating what additional storage costs are as I have quite a bit of data (~0.5 TB) on my server that I would have to move so paying for the storage as well as the data move, unless they don't count the initial load in your network usage. I doubt the free hosting will allow me to stay free but pay for extra storage... we will see. Andy On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I work for Amazon and you can get up on their free tier for a year. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:08, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: A thought on the alternative options. Again a question of what you want to do with it. If you look at rackspace and pricing of a cloud computer, They have it down to $11 a month for the compute time and then add on your bandwidth. I priced it out for 512meg ram, 20gb drive, and 5gb each way and it specs for $23.20 a month. At $23.20 a month, you can be below the cost of housing your own server for about 2 years if the server costs $500. If you can live with half the memory and drive, you can extend that savings out to almost 4 years. Just something to think about. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
I wish I could, but I'm in Washington DC now. I can point everyone in the direction of the Amazon Web Services page... http://aws.amazon.com/ I use their EC2 service to have a public facing Linux server, and run some Icecast relays on it. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:56, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: Alex, is there any way you could do a demonstration about Amazon EC2/S3 some day? (Sorry to thread-jack, but I find Amazon's hosting really interesting and I'd love to see someone really lay it all out and show how it would work, from A-Z.) Chris On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: BTW I'm a paying user of AWS as well, and the largest bill I've had is about 15 dollars for data transfer, the S3 and EC2 products have usually been $5.00/month. It's pretty cheap, and, like I said, I liked the product even before I started to work here. :) On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:47, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon has the Elastic Block Store product, as well as the famous Simple Storage Service (Amazon S3). http://aws.amazon.com/ This site can answer all your questions. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:36, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: Very tempting on both cloud fronts, especially the free one. I am investigating what additional storage costs are as I have quite a bit of data (~0.5 TB) on my server that I would have to move so paying for the storage as well as the data move, unless they don't count the initial load in your network usage. I doubt the free hosting will allow me to stay free but pay for extra storage... we will see. Andy On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I work for Amazon and you can get up on their free tier for a year. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:08, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: A thought on the alternative options. Again a question of what you want to do with it. If you look at rackspace and pricing of a cloud computer, They have it down to $11 a month for the compute time and then add on your bandwidth. I priced it out for 512meg ram, 20gb drive, and 5gb each way and it specs for $23.20 a month. At $23.20 a month, you can be below the cost of housing your own server for about 2 years if the server costs $500. If you can live with half the memory and drive, you can extend that savings out to almost 4 years. Just something to think about. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
I'm not entirely sure if this is true across all ranges but early last year Dell started to block non Dell branded drives from being used in their PowerEdge line. I'm not sure if they backported this into firmware upgrades or it is just for new systems. This is really no different than what HP or IBM have been doing for years. They buy commodity drives and then flash their proprietary firmware. It's kind of a pain because you could always add cheap storage to a Dell server and parts shortages were not an issue. Anyway this is something to consider if you plan to add your own cheap drives after purchasing a machine. I have no first hand experience with this issue. When I was in an environment where I purchased hardware I always purchased whatever drives I needed with the system. What really bugged me about this was that there were times where parts would go on backorder and it was nice to know outside of a system board or certain controller cards Dells were just standard parts I could buy on the open market. Here is a link to an article from the time: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/dell_perc_11th_gen_qualified_hdds_only/ On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: That is one thing I really like about the Dell T110. All standard parts. Non-parity RAM, standard SATA hard drives. Almost all of the used servers I have looked at use SCSI drives or SAS drives. Now I know SAS drives are not that expensive but at $120 for a 750 GB drive where SATA costs $70 for a 2 TB drive... especially since I rsync this thing regularly back to my RAID at the house. If / When I want more RAM or HD, it is going to be fairly inexpensive. I am currently looking at just about $530 for the server, 2.4 Ghz Xeon quad core cpu, 4 Gb RAM, a 250 GB SATA drive from Dell and a 2TB SATA hard drive from a 3rd party (TigerDirect or NewEgg). I am having a hard time convincing myself that spending $100 on a server, plus 3 x $100 for hard drives makes that used server for $400 not stand up so well to the new Dell at $520. On a side note, they want about $120 for a 3 year warranty... not sure it is worth spending 25% of the machine cost on an extended warranty. Andy On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, df9 df9...@gmail.com wrote: Does the university you have a surplus Outlet for there gear? Last year I got a Dell leading edge At UM Teripin trader for $50. The catch was the drives cost as much as An Apple home server each. Dan On Jan 15, 4:29 pm, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking to standup a simple server and want server hardware rather than just a white box. Performance is not really an issue but reliability and price are. Any suggestions? I can get a Dell T110 for under $500.00. I looked at HP but they are more expensive for a lesser spec machine. Thanks! Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Daniel Owen danielowe...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not entirely sure if this is true across all ranges but early last year Dell started to block non Dell branded drives from being used in their PowerEdge line. I'm not sure if they backported this into firmware upgrades or it is just for new systems. This is really no different than what HP or IBM have been doing for years. They buy commodity drives and then flash their proprietary firmware. It's kind of a pain because you could always add cheap storage to a Dell server and parts shortages were not an issue. Anyway this is something to consider if you plan to add your own cheap drives after purchasing a machine. I have no first hand experience with this issue. When I was in an environment where I purchased hardware I always purchased whatever drives I needed with the system. What really bugged me about this was that there were times where parts would go on backorder and it was nice to know outside of a system board or certain controller cards Dells were just standard parts I could buy on the open market. Here is a link to an article from the time: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/dell_perc_11th_gen_qualified_hdds_only/ I'll certainly be on the phone to Dell before buying this server then. I have a T110 from about 14 months ago and it does not have this issue. I immediately added 3 1.5 Tb drives to it with no issue whatsoever. If they have done this to to their low end server line, then they have lost all future business from me. I'm not willing to pay $200+ for a $70 hard drive. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Daniel Owen danielowe...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not entirely sure if this is true across all ranges but early last year Dell started to block non Dell branded drives from being used in their PowerEdge line. I'm not sure if they backported this into firmware upgrades or it is just for new systems. This is really no different than what HP or IBM have been doing for years. They buy commodity drives and then flash their proprietary firmware. It's kind of a pain because you could always add cheap storage to a Dell server and parts shortages were not an issue. Anyway this is something to consider if you plan to add your own cheap drives after purchasing a machine. I have no first hand experience with this issue. When I was in an environment where I purchased hardware I always purchased whatever drives I needed with the system. What really bugged me about this was that there were times where parts would go on backorder and it was nice to know outside of a system board or certain controller cards Dells were just standard parts I could buy on the open market. Here is a link to an article from the time: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/dell_perc_11th_gen_qualified_hdds_only/ I'll certainly be on the phone to Dell before buying this server then. I have a T110 from about 14 months ago and it does not have this issue. I immediately added 3 1.5 Tb drives to it with no issue whatsoever. If they have done this to to their low end server line, then they have lost all future business from me. I'm not willing to pay $200+ for a $70 hard drive. Andy I just spoke with Dell and they confirmed that they are restricting the use of 3rd party drives, but only on their High End PERC controllers which are not available in the T110... So that eliminates that worry. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
[nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
Does the university you have a surplus Outlet for there gear? Last year I got a Dell leading edge At UM Teripin trader for $50. The catch was the drives cost as much as An Apple home server each. Dan On Jan 15, 4:29 pm, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking to standup a simple server and want server hardware rather than just a white box. Performance is not really an issue but reliability and price are. Any suggestions? I can get a Dell T110 for under $500.00. I looked at HP but they are more expensive for a lesser spec machine. Thanks! Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Re: Server Suggestion
That is one thing I really like about the Dell T110. All standard parts. Non-parity RAM, standard SATA hard drives. Almost all of the used servers I have looked at use SCSI drives or SAS drives. Now I know SAS drives are not that expensive but at $120 for a 750 GB drive where SATA costs $70 for a 2 TB drive... especially since I rsync this thing regularly back to my RAID at the house. If / When I want more RAM or HD, it is going to be fairly inexpensive. I am currently looking at just about $530 for the server, 2.4 Ghz Xeon quad core cpu, 4 Gb RAM, a 250 GB SATA drive from Dell and a 2TB SATA hard drive from a 3rd party (TigerDirect or NewEgg). I am having a hard time convincing myself that spending $100 on a server, plus 3 x $100 for hard drives makes that used server for $400 not stand up so well to the new Dell at $520. On a side note, they want about $120 for a 3 year warranty... not sure it is worth spending 25% of the machine cost on an extended warranty. Andy On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, df9 df9...@gmail.com wrote: Does the university you have a surplus Outlet for there gear? Last year I got a Dell leading edge At UM Teripin trader for $50. The catch was the drives cost as much as An Apple home server each. Dan On Jan 15, 4:29 pm, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking to standup a simple server and want server hardware rather than just a white box. Performance is not really an issue but reliability and price are. Any suggestions? I can get a Dell T110 for under $500.00. I looked at HP but they are more expensive for a lesser spec machine. Thanks! Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
