Re: Macintosh for nmh?
George wrote: > Orbiting back, It looks to have only been deployed in anger with Google POP. > And, in NEWS and the code it's marked as deprecated/unsupported for various > reasons. But I would imagine it still works fine on the SMTP side. Nmh's XOAUTH2 support was implemented generically to support both SMTP and POP. It was instantiated for both to work with Google. However, Google changed things such that neither will work with it now. I expect that it wouldn't take much effort to get them to work with O365, but I haven't tried. David
Re: Macintosh for nmh?
Orbiting back, It looks to have only been deployed in anger with Google POP. And, in NEWS and the code it's marked as deprecated/unsupported for various reasons. But I would imagine it still works fine on the SMTP side. for O365 I am using mbsync with the python oauth2 external proxy, because I need to coordinate MH with imap and this mechanism maintains a smallish statefile on the MH side, which tracks the current IMAP message store state. Its "handle this imap store in a way which inc can read from, but inc is now dependent on 3rd party code" hell. A hell I am comfortable in, its the one with Banjos and Accordions but the food is good. It very probably works, and works well if your inc use-case is POP, and works for SMTP. I haven't tested this. -G On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 10:25 AM George Michaelson wrote: > I will have to find out why I couldn't get things to work before. I would > love less components in my supply chain, so to speak. > > G > > On Sun, 31 Dec 2023, 10:21 am Ken Hornstein, wrote: > >> >If you're on a mac and using O365 you may need >> >https://github.com/simonrob/email-oauth2-proxy >> > >> >Using it for a year, happily. >> >> We DO support XOAUTH2 natively, BTW. >> >> --Ken >> >>
Re: Macintosh for nmh?
I will have to find out why I couldn't get things to work before. I would love less components in my supply chain, so to speak. G On Sun, 31 Dec 2023, 10:21 am Ken Hornstein, wrote: > >If you're on a mac and using O365 you may need > >https://github.com/simonrob/email-oauth2-proxy > > > >Using it for a year, happily. > > We DO support XOAUTH2 natively, BTW. > > --Ken > >
Re: Macintosh for nmh?
>If you're on a mac and using O365 you may need >https://github.com/simonrob/email-oauth2-proxy > >Using it for a year, happily. We DO support XOAUTH2 natively, BTW. --Ken
Re: Macintosh for nmh?
Among other things, I was a computer security guy, and almost universally, we used Windows phones. See how that turned out, eh? My motorcycle and car management software and several of my CAD and 3D programs only ran on Windows for years (some are still that way), so I was actually pretty content with that ecosystem and will never completely escape. I suspect that if I had actually bought completely into it and started dealing with email with Outlook (the real one, not the web-based version), I wouldn't be in the spot I am now. Instead, I left everything on the GoDaddy IMAP servers, which actually made it easy to access from all devices, but now my allocation is full and I've got to find a new direction. Web Outlook is pretty limited (e.g. you can only move or delete 75 messages at a time), so it's really getting in my way. I'm retired now, so I don't need to access my email while on TDY, so I'm planning to pull everything down onto my local computer. Think I'll check out Macs the next time I'm at Costco. From: Ken Hornstein Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 4:07 PM To: doug dougwellington.com Cc: nmh-workers@nongnu.org Subject: Re: Macintosh for nmh? >I've had a hate, love, hate, love, hate relationship with Apple over >the years. I think the pendulum is swinging the other way back towards >love, LOL! I am sure my perspective is skewed by buying into the Apple ecosystem; the automatic syncing between devices, little things like replying to text messages on your desktop, all make things much smoother. >How are you getting your email onto your Mac? I use 'inc' to a POP server. I admit this doesn't play so well if you want to use IMAP with other devices. --Ken
Re: Macintosh for nmh?
If you're on a mac and using O365 you may need https://github.com/simonrob/email-oauth2-proxy Using it for a year, happily.
Re: Macintosh for nmh?
>I've had a hate, love, hate, love, hate relationship with Apple over >the years. I think the pendulum is swinging the other way back towards >love, LOL! I am sure my perspective is skewed by buying into the Apple ecosystem; the automatic syncing between devices, little things like replying to text messages on your desktop, all make things much smoother. >How are you getting your email onto your Mac? I use 'inc' to a POP server. I admit this doesn't play so well if you want to use IMAP with other devices. --Ken
Re: Macintosh for nmh?
I think I know what you're saying. Unix/Linux is an absolutely open toolkit that lets you do anything you want. The downside is that you pretty much HAVE to do anything you want... I've had a hate, love, hate, love, hate relationship with Apple over the years. I think the pendulum is swinging the other way back towards love, LOL! How are you getting your email onto your Mac? Doug From: Ken Hornstein Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 2:08 PM To: doug dougwellington.com Cc: nmh-workers@nongnu.org Subject: Re: Macintosh for nmh? >I have an old linux desktop that I'm sure would work, but I'm wondering >if I should consider buying a new Apple laptop. Last time I used a Mac, >it was mostly tolerable for an old UNIX head like me. Are there any >issues running nmh on a Mac? I'm typing this from a Mac right now (well, via exmh, but I still use bare nmh a lot). exmh has some challenges relating to fonts, of all things, but bare nmh works perfectly fine. Nmh is a package in Homebrew (I think the best open-source packaging system for MacOS X) and I expect it to be well-supported in the future. I view the issue of "Mac vs Linux" mostly as a philosophical one. Yes, there's a lot of Unix under the hood and as a fellow old UNIX head I make great use of that. The upside for me is there's a lot of support for "mass market" kind of stuff and you don't have to fiddle with things a lot as you might have to do under Linux. The downside is that there is still some hidden magic so it's not 100% Unix everywhere and it's not as customizable as a pure Linux system; you have to be happy with (or at least be willing to live with) some of the decisions Apple has made for you. At this point in my life I find someone else making a bunch of those decisions for me to be relieving; I am sure that plenty of people would find it stifling. --Ken
Re: Macintosh for nmh?
>I have an old linux desktop that I'm sure would work, but I'm wondering >if I should consider buying a new Apple laptop. Last time I used a Mac, >it was mostly tolerable for an old UNIX head like me. Are there any >issues running nmh on a Mac? I'm typing this from a Mac right now (well, via exmh, but I still use bare nmh a lot). exmh has some challenges relating to fonts, of all things, but bare nmh works perfectly fine. Nmh is a package in Homebrew (I think the best open-source packaging system for MacOS X) and I expect it to be well-supported in the future. I view the issue of "Mac vs Linux" mostly as a philosophical one. Yes, there's a lot of Unix under the hood and as a fellow old UNIX head I make great use of that. The upside for me is there's a lot of support for "mass market" kind of stuff and you don't have to fiddle with things a lot as you might have to do under Linux. The downside is that there is still some hidden magic so it's not 100% Unix everywhere and it's not as customizable as a pure Linux system; you have to be happy with (or at least be willing to live with) some of the decisions Apple has made for you. At this point in my life I find someone else making a bunch of those decisions for me to be relieving; I am sure that plenty of people would find it stifling. --Ken
