[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Tomi Ollila]

On Thu, Sep 06 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 05 2012, Tomi Ollila wrote:
>>
>> From consistency point of view all the customization variables in notmuch
>> groups start with "notmuch-" and these "message-" breaks this... An
>> alternative to the above could be the following:
>>
>>  (defgroup notmuch-reply
>>'((notmuch-message-replied-tags custom-variable)
>>  (message-insertion custom-group))
>>   "..."
>
> Why not. Updated patch follows...

Ok, next iteration after that is partly my fault ;/

> -Michal

Tomi

[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Sojka]

On Wed, Sep 05 2012, Tomi Ollila wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Tomi Ollila wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
> When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
> to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
> reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
> that replying cannot be customized.
>
> Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
> line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
> easy when one knows what to customize.
>
> This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
> references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
> to find as it is shown as a result of running "M-x customize-group RET
> notmuch RET".

 Ping.

 Any objections against applying?
>>>
>>> Nobody dares to say anything due to infamiliriaty of this spesific case ;/.
>>>
>>> I could not find any reference this has been made before.
>>
>> It's at least documented at
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Group-Definitions.html
>>
>>   The argument members is a list specifying an initial set of
>>   customization items to be members of the group. However, most often
>>   members is nil, and you specify the group's members by using the
>>   :group keyword when defining those members.
>>
>>> I could not find any discussion about this issue.
>>>
>>> With little effort I could not extract the customization tree to
>>> stdout I could have attempted to grep whether there is same variable
>>> in many groups.
>>
>> I tried to grep emacs sources and found the following:
>>
>> (defgroup message '((user-mail-address custom-variable)
>> (defgroup gnus-message '((message custom-group))
>> (defgroup ps-print-printer '((lpr custom-group))
>> (defgroup customize '((widgets custom-group))
>> (defgroup font-lock '((jit-lock custom-group))
>>
>> At least the first line corresponds exactly to what is proposed in my
>> patch.
>
> Yes...
>
>
> I was looking whether the same customization variable has been put
> into multiple groups (now those are also in message-insertion group like
> you have in your patch). (So far) I haven't seen that to be done
> (not that it forbids doing so, just that there aren't issues about that).
>
> From consistency point of view all the customization variables in notmuch
> groups start with "notmuch-" and these "message-" breaks this... An
> alternative to the above could be the following:
>
>  (defgroup notmuch-reply
>'((notmuch-message-replied-tags custom-variable)
>  (message-insertion custom-group))
>   "..."

Why not. Updated patch follows...

-Michal

Re: [PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Tomi Ollila]

On Thu, Sep 06 2012, Michal Sojka sojk...@fel.cvut.cz wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 05 2012, Tomi Ollila wrote:

 From consistency point of view all the customization variables in notmuch
 groups start with notmuch- and these message- breaks this... An
 alternative to the above could be the following:

  (defgroup notmuch-reply
'((notmuch-message-replied-tags custom-variable)
  (message-insertion custom-group))
   ...

 Why not. Updated patch follows...

Ok, next iteration after that is partly my fault ;/

 -Michal

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[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Tomi Ollila]

On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Tomi Ollila wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
 When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
 to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
 reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
 that replying cannot be customized.

 Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
 line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
 easy when one knows what to customize.

 This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
 references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
 to find as it is shown as a result of running "M-x customize-group RET
 notmuch RET".
>>>
>>> Ping.
>>>
>>> Any objections against applying?
>>
>> Nobody dares to say anything due to infamiliriaty of this spesific case ;/.
>>
>> I could not find any reference this has been made before.
>
> It's at least documented at
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Group-Definitions.html
>
>   The argument members is a list specifying an initial set of
>   customization items to be members of the group. However, most often
>   members is nil, and you specify the group's members by using the
>   :group keyword when defining those members.
>
>> I could not find any discussion about this issue.
>>
>> With little effort I could not extract the customization tree to
>> stdout I could have attempted to grep whether there is same variable
>> in many groups.
>
> I tried to grep emacs sources and found the following:
>
> (defgroup message '((user-mail-address custom-variable)
> (defgroup gnus-message '((message custom-group))
> (defgroup ps-print-printer '((lpr custom-group))
> (defgroup customize '((widgets custom-group))
> (defgroup font-lock '((jit-lock custom-group))
>
> At least the first line corresponds exactly to what is proposed in my
> patch.

Yes...


I was looking whether the same customization variable has been put
into multiple groups (now those are also in message-insertion group like
you have in your patch). (So far) I haven't seen that to be done
(not that it forbids doing so, just that there aren't issues about that).

>From consistency point of view all the customization variables in notmuch
groups start with "notmuch-" and these "message-" breaks this... An
alternative to the above could be the following:

 (defgroup notmuch-reply
   '((notmuch-message-replied-tags custom-variable)
 (message-insertion custom-group))
  "..."

I.e. first moving notmuch-message-replied-tags to this new group
and (only) referencing the message-insertion group from notmuch-reply
group (the message-citation-line-format & message-citation-line-function
are the first variables in message-insertion group, which is nice).


> Cheers,
> -Michal

Tomi

[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Nazarewicz]

> On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
>> On semi-related note, does anyone know how to get rid of an empty line
>> *above* the attribution line?

On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:
> It is probably caused by your configuration. I do not have any empty
> line above attribution line neither in my configuration nor when I run
> emacs with -q.

Thanks, yes, it seems to be the case.  I'll have to look at it more
closely...

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[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Sojka]

On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
>> Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
>> line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
>> easy when one knows what to customize.
>
> On semi-related note, does anyone know how to get rid of an empty line
> *above* the attribution line?

It is probably caused by your configuration. I do not have any empty
line above attribution line neither in my configuration nor when I run
emacs with -q.

-Michal

[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Sojka]

On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Tomi Ollila wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
>>> When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
>>> to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
>>> reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
>>> that replying cannot be customized.
>>>
>>> Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
>>> line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
>>> easy when one knows what to customize.
>>>
>>> This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
>>> references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
>>> to find as it is shown as a result of running "M-x customize-group RET
>>> notmuch RET".
>>
>> Ping.
>>
>> Any objections against applying?
>
> Nobody dares to say anything due to infamiliriaty of this spesific case ;/.
>
> I could not find any reference this has been made before.

It's at least documented at
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Group-Definitions.html

  The argument members is a list specifying an initial set of
  customization items to be members of the group. However, most often
  members is nil, and you specify the group's members by using the
  :group keyword when defining those members.

> I could not find any discussion about this issue.
>
> With little effort I could not extract the customization tree to
> stdout I could have attempted to grep whether there is same variable
> in many groups.

I tried to grep emacs sources and found the following:

(defgroup message '((user-mail-address custom-variable)
(defgroup gnus-message '((message custom-group))
(defgroup ps-print-printer '((lpr custom-group))
(defgroup customize '((widgets custom-group))
(defgroup font-lock '((jit-lock custom-group))

At least the first line corresponds exactly to what is proposed in my
patch.

Cheers,
-Michal

[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Nazarewicz]

On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
> Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
> line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
> easy when one knows what to customize.

On semi-related note, does anyone know how to get rid of an empty line
*above* the attribution line?

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[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Tomi Ollila]

On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
>> When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
>> to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
>> reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
>> that replying cannot be customized.
>>
>> Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
>> line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
>> easy when one knows what to customize.
>>
>> This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
>> references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
>> to find as it is shown as a result of running "M-x customize-group RET
>> notmuch RET".
>
> Ping.
>
> Any objections against applying?

Nobody dares to say anything due to infamiliriaty of this spesific case ;/.

I could not find any reference this has been made before.

I could not find any discussion about this issue.

With little effort I could not extract the customization tree to
stdout I could have attempted to grep whether there is same variable
in many groups.

The code in custom.el & cus-edit.el is so complex I could not figure
out whether there is any problems having variable in many groups
(put apparently the changed variable is not written twice to the
customization block).

I do like the feature but with this knowledge I have I just cannot 
promote applying (I sure am not against :)

> -Michal

Tomi

[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Sojka]

On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
> When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
> to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
> reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
> that replying cannot be customized.
>
> Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
> line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
> easy when one knows what to customize.
>
> This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
> references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
> to find as it is shown as a result of running "M-x customize-group RET
> notmuch RET".

Ping.

Any objections against applying?

-Michal

Re: [PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Sojka]

On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
 When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
 to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
 reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
 that replying cannot be customized.

 Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
 line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
 easy when one knows what to customize.

 This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
 references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
 to find as it is shown as a result of running M-x customize-group RET
 notmuch RET.

Ping.

Any objections against applying?

-Michal
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Re: [PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Sojka]

On Tue, Sep 04 2012, Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka wrote:
 Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
 line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
 easy when one knows what to customize.

 On semi-related note, does anyone know how to get rid of an empty line
 *above* the attribution line?

It is probably caused by your configuration. I do not have any empty
line above attribution line neither in my configuration nor when I run
emacs with -q.

-Michal
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[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Jameson Graef Rollins]

On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka  wrote:
> When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
> to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
> reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
> that replying cannot be customized.
>
> Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
> line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
> easy when one knows what to customize.
>
> This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
> references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
> to find as it is shown as a result of running "M-x customize-group RET
> notmuch RET".

This is an interesting idea, to add customizations for other packages
that are related to notmuch to the notmuch config groups.  I think it
could be very useful.  Anyone see any drawbacks to this?  If not, I
support doing this, and even extending it for other customization groups
as well.

jamie.
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Re: [PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Jameson Graef Rollins]

On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Michal Sojka sojk...@fel.cvut.cz wrote:
 When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
 to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
 reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
 that replying cannot be customized.

 Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
 line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
 easy when one knows what to customize.

 This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
 references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
 to find as it is shown as a result of running M-x customize-group RET
 notmuch RET.

This is an interesting idea, to add customizations for other packages
that are related to notmuch to the notmuch config groups.  I think it
could be very useful.  Anyone see any drawbacks to this?  If not, I
support doing this, and even extending it for other customization groups
as well.

jamie.


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[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Sojka]

When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
that replying cannot be customized.

Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
easy when one knows what to customize.

This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
to find as it is shown as a result of running "M-x customize-group RET
notmuch RET".
---
 emacs/notmuch-lib.el |   11 +++
 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)

diff --git a/emacs/notmuch-lib.el b/emacs/notmuch-lib.el
index 30db58f..47d9e0c 100644
--- a/emacs/notmuch-lib.el
+++ b/emacs/notmuch-lib.el
@@ -45,6 +45,17 @@
   "Showing messages and threads."
   :group 'notmuch)

+(defgroup notmuch-reply
+  '((message-citation-line-function custom-variable)
+(message-citation-line-format custom-variable)
+(message-insertion custom-group))
+  "Replying to messages.
+
+Replying in notmuch can be customized in `Message insertion'
+group. However, the most important options from that group are
+also included here."
+  :group 'notmuch)
+
 (defgroup notmuch-send nil
   "Sending messages from Notmuch."
   :group 'notmuch)
-- 
1.7.10

[PATCH] emacs: Add customization group for replying

[Michal Sojka]

When one wants to customize the format of reply message, there nothing
to tell the user how to do it.  Without knowing that construction of
reply buffer is actually implemented in the message package, it seems
that replying cannot be customized.

Because I was getting annoyed by the empty line the between citation
line and the quoted message, I figured out that changing this is fairly
easy when one knows what to customize.

This patch adds notmuch-reply customization group that that contains
references to the relevant customization options. The new group is easy
to find as it is shown as a result of running M-x customize-group RET
notmuch RET.
---
 emacs/notmuch-lib.el |   11 +++
 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)

diff --git a/emacs/notmuch-lib.el b/emacs/notmuch-lib.el
index 30db58f..47d9e0c 100644
--- a/emacs/notmuch-lib.el
+++ b/emacs/notmuch-lib.el
@@ -45,6 +45,17 @@
   Showing messages and threads.
   :group 'notmuch)
 
+(defgroup notmuch-reply
+  '((message-citation-line-function custom-variable)
+(message-citation-line-format custom-variable)
+(message-insertion custom-group))
+  Replying to messages.
+
+Replying in notmuch can be customized in `Message insertion'
+group. However, the most important options from that group are
+also included here.
+  :group 'notmuch)
+
 (defgroup notmuch-send nil
   Sending messages from Notmuch.
   :group 'notmuch)
-- 
1.7.10

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