[NSP] Re: I must be daft
Come on guys. We have had some really interesting input from both Anthony and Chris, and now they are backing off, praps leaving the list. What a shame. They can both annoy the hell out of me, but I have learned heaps from them both too and would really be sorry if they stopped their input. Lets try not to get too heated and personal eh. We can all benefit by counting to ten first then trying to be positive. Helen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: I must be daft
Helen Capes wrote: Come on guys. We have had some really interesting input from both Anthony and Chris, and now they are backing off, praps leaving the list. What a shame. They can both annoy the hell out of me, but I have learned heaps from them both too and would really be sorry if they stopped their input. Lets try not to get too heated and personal eh. We can all benefit by counting to ten first then trying to be positive. Helen Here here! It's like observing a load of March (well, April) Hares in action. Get out there and play yer pipes! -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: I must be daft
Anita Evans wrote: Here here! or even, Hear Hear! ; -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: I must be daft
Don't you in fact mean 'ere, 'ere ? As in 'ere, 'ere! You lads stop messing around or I've give you a clip round the ear! (says Dixon of Dock Green). Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: Anita Evans [mailto:an...@evansweb.co.uk] Sent: 15 April 2009 09:57 To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site Subject: [NSP] Re: I must be daft Anita Evans wrote: > Here here! or even, Hear Hear! ; -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: tyles
Good points, both Stephen and Paul. Interesting point about Tchaikovski: the stringing of the violin in his day would have been much closer to what is nowadays regarded as "baroque" (all gut except a simply wound g). Modern synthetic (e.g. obligato), steel (e.g. prim) or even sophisticatedly wound gut (e.g. eudoxa, oliv) do not remotely resemble the strings that would have been available in the 19th century. This is of course not the place to get into a discussion about "modern" or "fake" baroque (according to some, closer in fact to 19th century stringing) and "real" baroque. chirs >-Original Message- >From: STEPHEN DOUGLASS [mailto:us...@comcast.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:26 PM >To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu >Subject: [NSP] Re: tyles > > > >Begin forwarded message: > >> From: STEPHEN DOUGLASS >> Date: April 14, 2009 4:25:05 PM EDT >> To: Paul Gretton >> Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Re:Styles >> >> Paul, >> >> In the 1926 recording of Elgar's Enigma by the Royal Albert Hall >> Orchestra ,conducted by the composer himself, there is audible >> sliding (portamento) on the strings. >> >> In Simon Rattles recording in 1993 with the City Of Birmingham >> Symphony Orchestra the portamento is gone(or negligible). Many >> critics favour this version. >> >> By the mid 1930's, after Elgar's death, orchestras were moving away >> from that style. It would be unusual now, to hear an orchestra play >> with the same amount of slide. >> >> That would suggest a change of style in the same, genre, context >> and repertoire? and also asks questions about sticking to composers >> intentions. >> >> There may be a return to the previous style, but at the time the >> progression would have been considered innovative. >> >> Steve Douglass >> >> >> On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Paul Gretton wrote: >> >>> Chirs wrote: >>> > Why should NSP be the only instrument restricted to a >single style? >>> >>> The "should" is not a matter of authoritarian compulsion or >hidebound >>> conservatism but of appropriateness. Unlike the violin, the NSP >>> has until >>> very recently been associated with a very specific repertoire, the >>> core of >>> which is bound up with the structure of the instrument -- a sort of >>> chicken/egg situation. As I said in reply to David, the problem >>> with wild >>> do-your-own-thing innovation is that the innovative style takes >>> over and the >>> traditional style is then lost. >>> > Kreisler any one? > Or Stuff Smith? > Or Andrew Manze? > Didier Lockwood? > Gatemouth? > Grappelly? > Itzhak Perlman? > Willie Taylor? >>> > I wish I knew who was playing properly... >>> >>> It's confusing to speak of "style" here. All those people play the >>> violin >>> but they play different ***repertoires*** without overlap between >>> them (with >>> a couple of exceptions). Those repertoires require a certain "style >>> bandwidth" if they are to be true to the nature of the music. >>> >>> I doubt if Manze would tackle the Tchaikovsky concerto on his >>> baroque violin >>> and in baroque style. Perlman, however, would probalby tackle a >>> Handel or >>> Corelli sonata, with IMHO dire results that distort the nature of >>> the music. >>> >>> Or -- since you're about to become an opera buff :-) -- I would >>> prefer to >>> hear Isolde sung by Flagstad or Nilsson rather than by Emma >>> Kirkby! (and >>> vice versa for Rameau or Lully) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Paul Gretton >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu >>> [mailto:christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu] >>> >>> Sent: 14 April 2009 10:51 >>> To: davidthba...@googlemail.com; ch...@chrisormston.com >>> Cc: rosspi...@aol.com; lisaridley6...@hotmail.com; >>> nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu >>> Subject: [NSP] Re: Re: >>> >>> < I don't think it fair to call any style of playing any instrument 'incorrect' simply because it does not adhere rigidly to tradition. >>> >>> Here we go again! >>> >>> FWIW: >>> I a) value the tradition (and the baroque) and b) agree >>> wholeheartedly with >>> the above statement. >>> >>> I play various instruments in various styles. Why should NSP be >>> the only >>> instrument restricted to a single style? >>> >>> Kreisler any one? >>> Or Stuff Smith? >>> Or Andrew Manze? >>> Didier Lockwood? >>> Gatemouth? >>> Grappelly? >>> Itzhak Perlman? >>> Willie Taylor? >>> >>> I wish I knew who was playing properly... >>> >>> chirs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> > > >-- >
[NSP] Re: Re:
Greets Rick et al. >We're talking about >something more simple than that, just learning to control the >instrument. Of course, and there's no better way than strict slow tempo staccatissimo. But what you do in your practice is of necessity, I think, exaggerated. playing than playing sloppily? No, but I do think while being able to play, for example the accordion, in a very strict and clipped way a la Jimmy Shand is probably essential for a solid technique (I don't play accordion) you don't necessarily have to play that way in performance. A certain freedom and flexibility is not necessarily "sloppy". Where would jazz be without a studied blowsiness? (if that's how you spell it). Phew, managed to keep it brief and non-self-regarding this time ;-) To go back to what triggered all this in the first place this time round, I think we should be more worried about the psychological fate of the victims of bumptious parenting (JL is likely to get herself disliked) than of the fate of piping (which appears to be alive and well, thanks to both the die-hard traditionalists and the "innovative" for want of a better word. Peaceful co-existence would be nice.) And I would add my here here / hear hear / ere ere to Anita's. chirs To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: I must be daft
Paul Gretton wrote: 'ere, 'ere! You lads stop messing around or I've give you a clip round the ear! (says Dixon of Dock Green). I used to like that programme - life seemed much simpler then, easier to differentiate between good and bad ;) I wonder if he was related to William Dixon..? -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: I must be daft
Hi Anita, Thanks for this tension breaker! The crescendo of vituperation has to end somewhere, preferably before things start to get broken. Thank goodness for me pipes. Bob - Original Message - From: "Anita Evans" To: "Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site" Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: I must be daft Paul Gretton wrote: 'ere, 'ere! You lads stop messing around or I've give you a clip round the ear! (says Dixon of Dock Green). I used to like that programme - life seemed much simpler then, easier to differentiate between good and bad ;) I wonder if he was related to William Dixon..? -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: I must be daft
Robert Greef wrote: Hi Anita, Thanks for this tension breaker! The crescendo of vituperation has to end somewhere, preferably before things start to get broken. Thank goodness for me pipes. Bob I think Helen should take the credit for that. -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] About the Yellow Card
Hi people - Most of the time you folks on the northumbrian smallpipes mail list are no trouble at all, be recently there has been trouble. In this day of everpresent spam, one of the hassles of running a mail list is avoiding anti spam measures. If a service like Yahoo! or AOL thinks that my computer is sending them too much spam, they cut off all mail connections to my college for a while ouch! So it is a problem when people report something as spam when they really only need to delete it. If someone complains that nsp list messages are spam I remove that person from the list so they don't get any more offensive materials. But the best way to get off the list is to follow the instructions at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html So folks - if you don't like a post, delete it, or tell me about it, but please don't report it as spam! Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: I must be NICE
OK Helen, Anita is right - I can almost hear your dulcet tones in admonishment from here! Well done! Bob - Original Message - From: "Anita Evans" To: "Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site" Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:39 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: I must be daft Robert Greef wrote: Hi Anita, Thanks for this tension breaker! The crescendo of vituperation has to end somewhere, preferably before things start to get broken. Thank goodness for me pipes. Bob I think Helen should take the credit for that. -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] billy pigg
also, I forgot to mention that Tom Clough's method of playing was too hard for me to grasp at that time so I opted for Billy Pigg as I found it easier to learn. Billy Pigg was used as a big stepping stone. So, thanks to Billy Pigg, as I would not be playing in the method that I do today. Adrian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Lisa Ridley etc.etc.
Dear All, As a Tiscali customer I have had no access to the forum for over a week so imagine my amazement to find 93 e-mails waiting and that the world of NSP has gone suddenly mad. The mails relating to youngsters and "pushy parents" reminds me of our years with daughters in the pony showing world. Now if you want precocious kids and pushy parents thats the place to be!!! Intimidation of judges , dirty tactics and harrasment were all part of the game.(For others) Reading the rest of the contributions saddend me more than anything. Fre debate is good but this has not been good. If we have a situation that experienced pipers feel that they can no longer freely contribute to the pages then surely we have all gone wrong somewhere. I fall very much into the struggling, mediocre group of players but I enjoy what I manage to play. I live along way from the North east so thef orum and its contributors largely provide me with encouragement and technical information, some laughs and some annoyance at times but nothing, until now, that has made me wonder is it worth bothering anymore. Style... Well yes it is vital to learn the correct basics, as in any instrument, but whenyou are some distance from a group this becomes difficult. I fear a situation where I may have to lock the door and draw the curtians when playing in case the "style police" find where I live and come a knocking!! When attending courses and classes the one thing that always impressed me was the friendlyness and the willingness to help that came from eveyone I have met. Has that now faded? Come on let`s get back to something we enjoy, cut the bitching and each play in our own way to the good of ourselves and anyone who whishes to listen to us. Isn`t it the time of year to go back to discussing what oil to use at least we didn`t upset anyone when we did. All the best Guy T. Address withheld for security reasons!! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security - Get 50% off Norton Security 2009 ___ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
