[NSP] Re: whether The Tradition should evolve?
Tradition is how things are done and it's an ever moving, never ending flow. Very similar to the evolution of a language. To insist that one certain aspect is "the tradition" is actually taking a snapshot of that evolution and stopping it (as if we were to still speak the English of Shakespeare). That's slightly different, of course, to deciding how a certain instrument should be played which is more of a technical discussion. Sudden changes cannot be traditional until and unless they are adopted by the people who then continue the process. Hence many instruments were "part" of a tradition but have now fallen away. Things like concertinas for morris dancing were new but are now regarded by many as a traditional instrument. (Sound of bomb shelter doors closing and sealing) Colin Hill On 02/07/2011 00:44, Gibbons, John wrote: It evidently does, and has done, and surely will do - compare tunes which appeared in Atkinson, Dixon, Vickers and Peacock - or in the 19th century, the sudden popularity of polkas and galops, and the boom in 4/4 hornpipes with respect to 3/2 ones. Or the invention of keyed smallpipes. Ned Pearson's recordings in the middle of the 20th century sounded old-fashioned compared to the others from younger musicians Peter Kennedy and others recorded. The important thing is not that The Tradition should never change, but that it should stay alive - if you want to stop it developing, get rid of all the musicians, and just listen to the records! John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Steve Bliven [steve.bli...@comcast.net] Sent: 01 July 2011 23:52 To: Francis Wood Cc: List - NSP Subject: [NSP] Re: Your Video Does this begin again the question of whether The Tradition can/should (choose one) evolve? Best wishes. Steve On 7/1/11 5:00 PM, "Francis Wood" wrote: Interesting to contemplate how The Tradition will have evolved by then! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3737 - Release Date: 07/01/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3737 - Release Date: 07/01/11
[NSP] Re: whether The Tradition should evolve?
It evidently does, and has done, and surely will do - compare tunes which appeared in Atkinson, Dixon, Vickers and Peacock - or in the 19th century, the sudden popularity of polkas and galops, and the boom in 4/4 hornpipes with respect to 3/2 ones. Or the invention of keyed smallpipes. Ned Pearson's recordings in the middle of the 20th century sounded old-fashioned compared to the others from younger musicians Peter Kennedy and others recorded. The important thing is not that The Tradition should never change, but that it should stay alive - if you want to stop it developing, get rid of all the musicians, and just listen to the records! John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Steve Bliven [steve.bli...@comcast.net] Sent: 01 July 2011 23:52 To: Francis Wood Cc: List - NSP Subject: [NSP] Re: Your Video Does this begin again the question of whether The Tradition can/should (choose one) evolve? Best wishes. Steve On 7/1/11 5:00 PM, "Francis Wood" wrote: > Interesting to contemplate how The Tradition will have evolved by then! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Your Video
Does this begin again the question of whether The Tradition can/should (choose one) evolve? Best wishes. Steve On 7/1/11 5:00 PM, "Francis Wood" wrote: > Interesting to contemplate how The Tradition will have evolved by then! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Re:
And an even better case for posting it on the NPS forum (its open to non members) Quoting Francis Wood : On 1 Jul 2011, at 20:39, david...@pt.lu wrote: How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are interested but are not NPS members Hi Dave, I think you've made quite a good case here for joining the NPS. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Your Video
On 1 Jul 2011, at 21:44, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: > However, how long does video persist on Utube? Easy for the account holder to remove videos from YouTube videos , as the help pages indicate. > Will our hesitant attempts at playing still be floating in the ethernet in > 2525. Interesting to contemplate how The Tradition will have evolved by then! Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Re:
On 1 Jul 2011, at 20:39, david...@pt.lu wrote: > How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are > interested but are not NPS members Hi Dave, I think you've made quite a good case here for joining the NPS. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Your Video
My utmost admiration for exposing a take you felt was below your standards. If we can get 'work in progress' on the internet for the piping community that's great. It encourages those of us who are striving to put our music out there. However, how long does video persist on Utube? Will our hesitant attempts at playing still be floating in the ethernet in 2525. Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Re:
(Suspicious voice) Hullo, Anyone there? I've got my tin hat on. Any incoming fire? (Normal voice) Attempts at humour on the internet are dangerous and generally misunderstood. I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him privately and will publish a full apology in the next issue. Anthony presented two contributions to the Journal, the rant article coming earlier in the year well before any start had been made on compiling the issue and then later I received, the wonderful interview with Hannah Hutton and Jimmy Little which threw so much light on a particular section of our tradition and together with Hannah's photographs it became a very important part of the Journal. i am sure that Anthony remembers that article going back and forth for correction until we got it as right as possible. While this was going on, I was typesetting the magazine which involves competing influences, to get the content balanced , to get articles starting on the left or right as appropriate, to end up with a multiple of 4 pages, and I thought that there would not be room for Anthony's Rant article, until almost magically as I tidied up all the pages, a space appeared which demanded an article of just about that length. A few font changes... and it was in and I was grateful. I assembled the whole thing, hit the build contents key -- and the contents page didn't reflect the energy contained in the publication. I looked down the contents and felt that Anthony's title did not sit well against the previous title, and (woe is me) I tried changing Anthony's title in what I thought was a subtle and slightly humorous way and the magazine felt more balanced. However, I forgot to seek Anthony's permission. OOps. An editor must not offend his correspondents or the Journal will be empty. So again I apologize for my oversight as I will do in any venue where Anthony raises the point. As to releasing Anthony's article to this list, I will try to post another contribution about copyright, the NPS, and the internet, which I hope will generate some interesting discussion. Barry Say (Editor NPS Journal) Quoting david...@pt.lu: Hi Antony, How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are interested but are not NPS members -- I like the hint of lilt in your playing - always have A regards Dave S Anthony Robb wrote: Hello John That's sounds great. It's exactly the response I was hoping for when I submitted the article on Rants to the NPS Journal. I'd titled the piece "Anyone For a Rant?" but it was apparently unsuitable and altered without my consent or knowledge to "A Bit Of a Rant" which rather missed the idea of an invitation to try them. Cheers and every good wish for some enjoyable music making, Anthony --- On Thu, 30/6/11, Gibbons, John wrote: -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Fwd: Re: [NSP] Re: Re:
Hi Antony, How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are interested but are not NPS members -- I like the hint of lilt in your playing - always have A regards Dave S Anthony Robb wrote: Hello John That's sounds great. It's exactly the response I was hoping for when I submitted the article on Rants to the NPS Journal. I'd titled the piece "Anyone For a Rant?" but it was apparently unsuitable and altered without my consent or knowledge to "A Bit Of a Rant" which rather missed the idea of an invitation to try them. Cheers and every good wish for some enjoyable music making, Anthony --- On Thu, 30/6/11, Gibbons, John wrote: -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: July's Tune of the month
Beautiful! Thanks! On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Anthony Robb <[1]anth...@robbpipes.com> wrote: Hello Folks OK shoot me down in flames - a bit hesitant at times but just as I was going to try it again a neighbour's noisy lawn mower meant I couldn't. I suppose at least I've entered into the spirit of the thing. [1][2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVoMOO91-o&feature=youtube_gda ta As aye Anthony -- References 1. [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVoMOO91-o&feature=youtube_gdata To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVoMOO91-o&feature=youtube_gdata 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVoMOO91-o&feature=youtube_gdata 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: July's Tune of the month
I normally find my toes are a pretty good judge of these things and they're tapping away! Loads of other good items appearing as suggestions on the right of the page. Especially liked the first, the Far Frae Hame set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLjJ8-G_2NQ&NR=1 Francis On 1 Jul 2011, at 16:00, Anthony Robb wrote: > > Hello Folks > OK shoot me down in flames - a bit hesitant at times but just as I was > going to try it again a neighbour's noisy lawn mower meant I couldn't. > I suppose at least I've entered into the spirit of the thing. > > [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVoMOO91-o&feature=youtube_gdata > > As aye > Anthony > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVoMOO91-o&feature=youtube_gdata > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] July's Tune of the month
Hello Folks OK shoot me down in flames - a bit hesitant at times but just as I was going to try it again a neighbour's noisy lawn mower meant I couldn't. I suppose at least I've entered into the spirit of the thing. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVoMOO91-o&feature=youtube_gdata As aye Anthony -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVoMOO91-o&feature=youtube_gdata To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Re:
Hello John That's sounds great. It's exactly the response I was hoping for when I submitted the article on Rants to the NPS Journal. I'd titled the piece "Anyone For a Rant?" but it was apparently unsuitable and altered without my consent or knowledge to "A Bit Of a Rant" which rather missed the idea of an invitation to try them. Cheers and every good wish for some enjoyable music making, Anthony --- On Thu, 30/6/11, Gibbons, John wrote: From: Gibbons, John Subject: [NSP] Re: To: "nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Thursday, 30 June, 2011, 20:54 Anthony, Francis and all, I've just tried playing Hesleyside and Roxburgh Castle at rant speed, but with hornpipey dotting, and found it very educational, and potentially very musical too. There is a rightness about playing them that way which is very convincing. But they need more work Perhaps all those years of playing them square need undoing first. Something for the Calthorpe session on Wednesday, I think! John From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Anthony Robb [[3]anth...@robbpipes.com] Sent: 30 June 2011 20:09 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: --- On Thu, 30/6/11, Francis Wood <[4]oatenp...@googlemail.com> wrote: Hello Anthony, I don't think we disagree. At Stuart Hardy's musical altitude, I'm sure you're right. That's a level I can only admire but never approach. On a more basic level, playing the tune with a dotted rhythm will get you through in a far less exposed manner than playing straight, which would seem to be an ability to acquire before refining the playing to a more regionally idiomatic expertise. Hello Francis I'm still not sure I can agree completely. I've taught lots now myself (more or less regularly since 1976 and mostly beginners/youngsters) - probably in the region of 3500 pupil-hours and found that (hornpipes aside - which are slowish anyway) people get get away with jigs and reels played steady and straight but as soon as we try and dot/lilt them they fall away after a bar or two.This is especially true of (even) slowish jigs. I used to take the approach you outline; get them playing evenly and steadily and then put the regional (some would say the all important) accent in afterwards but getting people to feel a good lilt and use it consistently after having spent months mastering the straight version has proved very difficult indeed. In recent years I've tried to get the lilt in from the off so that even if fingers aren't responding the brain would be taking something in and it seems to work better. Of course the old guys would never hear the straight version in the first place and they have the steadiest pace and control I've ever heard. Scottish and Irish bands were popular in Northumberland but when the old guys swiped their tunes they used their own accent to play them. Sadly that distinctive accent is all too rare these days and it would be great to see more pipers from this area taking it on. The problem is how best to achieve it - which ever way we tackle it results are a long time coming. As aye Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=anth...@robbpipes.com 4. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=oatenp...@googlemail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
