[NSP] Re: KVR online
Links are nonfunctional. Pretty interested in them. Cheers Reid Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: Kohler's Violin Repository, a hard to find but much used source of tunes for fiddlers in this area in the C19. It was sold in weekly or monthly instalments and then copies were passed from hand to hand. http://imslp.org/imglnks/usimg/d/db/IMSLP106889-PMLP217734- koehlersviolinrepository_1.pdf http://imslp.org/imglnks/usimg/9/96/IMSLP106890-PMLP217734- koehlersviolinrepository_2.pdf http://imslp.org/imglnks/usimg/0/02/IMSLP106891-PMLP217734- koehlersviolinrepository_3.pdf The editor possibly knew James Hill, certainly he lived in N. Shields for many years. Disclaimer - not original research on my part - I found the URL on a folk forum I occasionally frequent (mudcat.org) Hope it's of interest to someone, anyway. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] KVR online
Ah got it. Stupid iPhone goofed the formatting. All is working. This is superb. Any suggestions for a yank like me where to focus efforts tunewise? Something like a standard top 20-40 Northumbrian fiddle tune or set list. Looking for something similar for pipes as well. Reid Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2011, at 12:04 PM, richard.hea...@tiscali.co.uk richard.hea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: http://imslp.org/imglnks/usimg/d/db/IMSLP106889-PMLP217734- koehlersviolinrepository_1.pdf -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: divorce
What follows is testimonial. The forum certainly has value in my book. It was through this forum and the NPS that I found the encouragement and advice necessary to start playing the NSP. In Mississippi, USA no less. It is also how I found my set which arrived from Italy. Talk about globalization! I am surrounded by a small but devoted band of Celtic (mostly Irish) trad musicians and none of us had even really heard of NSP or were familiar were the musical traditions surrounding the instrument. We are admittedly pretty disconnected as we are in the deep south of the US. But we are a well traveled group for the most part. Here Old Time trad, Delta Blues and Irish music are king but the genetic lineage of early folk here is from the border region of England/Scotland. David Hackett Fisher's book Albion's Seed provides a nice discussion of the settlement of the south by border folk. I grew up playing old time fiddle band music which was certainly not overtly Irish influenced until only very recently. But Irish music has become the international representative of music from the British Isles (no offense intended). It is nice to be exposed to the other even older living traditions. Since I started playing NSP through this forum I have discovered a world of tradi! tional music that is in fact related to the music I grew up playing. It is nice to know that the majority of the old time fiddle tunes I know are actually rants! Forums like this one serve societies like the NPS whose mission it is to preserve traditions through shared discussions and meetings. It may not be the exact best place to build a how to guide for all things NSP but it is the best place to discuss and promote the living tradition. It seems to be effective doing that. Promotion might mean promoting other websites maybe. The NPS forum is not in competition with other sites from my perspective. It seems to be helping to bring them into existence. Congratulations then on a job well done! Having said that, I do often get frustrated with the huge blocks of emails that hit my inbox. I am considering making a devoted gmail account for this forum alone for that reason. I think it is worth the effort for everyone's personal interests even to keep this forum going. Maybe I don't understand the real purpose of the list but it is a great place for people to promote other discussions and events etc. They just don't need to be hostile about it maybe. Reid On Jun 16, 2011, at 3:55 AM, Alan Corkett a...@bcorkett.freeserve.co.uk wrote: Dear All Hear, Hear! Julia! Alan Corkett -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]On Behalf Of Julia Say Sent: 16 June 2011 09:43 To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site; Dave S Subject: [NSP] Re: divorce On 16 Jun 2011, Dave S wrote: This list served the purpose of introducing the beginner(shy fence-sitter to brash young expert) to light conversation/disagreement/proposition on all subjects around the wonderful instrument known as the NSP. It has done this well for a good number of years, I think it will continue to do that. I have noticed over many years that after any..er...altercation, the list goes very quiet for a while as we all tiptoe away and let things calm down. (Well OK most of us. I'm sure the early archives would show me doing regular foot in mouth exercises before I learnt to shut up occasionally). I expect the same to happen again this time. And like Francis, I think the lists and the various forums and groups are complementary. It's a shame that there have to be so many as it's time-consuming to check them all, but on balance I think that over the years they have helped a lot of people to a greater understanding of the piping world and introduced a lot of people to our instrument. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Whatever!
Goodness... Is this the same Inky-Adrian posting here? Seems to be. http://www.ukscreen.com/cast/adrian What a character. Reid On May 22, 2011, at 7:35 AM, Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: On 22 May 2011, John Poohbah wrote: Troll alert. First rule of the internet: do not feed the trolls. Wayne, could you please remove this email address - it's a pseudonym, in my opinion. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch
I have been enjoying the thread discussions since I joined the list serve back in the fall. I have now been playing my F set since late November and have learned about five tunes on the 17 key chanter. I get tired easy and have some squeaks from the lower registers but otherwise I am making nice progress thanks to John Liestman 's book. I am now ready to have a lively discussion with whoever will entertain me. I have LOTS of questions so please only respond if you are willing to deal with stupid questions. The most immediately perplexing issue is that I was sure the set was F+ when I purchased it from my friend in Italy but the chanter tends to slightly flat of E with what I believe to be medium bag pressure but I can easily get it to Concert F to play with my wife's accordion. This exercise has also revealed that I know way too many Irish and old time American tunes on fiddle and banjo. I want to concentrate my musical life at the moment on border music. Which tunes should we learn over the next months pipes aside? Is there a good source of music with recordings to help? I have Liestman's book and am working on those tunes on the pipes. I hunger for more. My local musician friends are also intrigued though I have been laughed at more than once when I pull out my set. My goal is to form the only legit Northumbrian/border band in Mississippi! It is nonsensical to me that Irish music has such a choke hold on our region given that the lineage of the majority of US South! erners is lowland Scotland/northern English/ northern Irish. I recognize lots of the border tunes I have heard from my old time fiddle involvement. Thanks Reid On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: On 10 Feb 2011, Francis Wood wrote: I don't think I've seen Arthur Benade's Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics mentioned in this forum. I think I've seen it on Barry's shelves. Which is where it's staying unless my son borrows it. No point me even trying - it would be a huge waste of the remaining brain cells. Julia. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Still off topic: Off-topic request for Hymnbook
In one way modern shape note singing is a form of active preservation of a historical tradition. Imagine you are living on the frontier and separated from the trappings of formal worship. How else would song leaders communicate basic tune melody without getting caught up in sharps and flats etc? Voices become instruments and training to quickly recognize a shape and correlate it with an do ray me type of audible is easier than straining the eye to see if that little black circle is an A or a C and how do I then find that pitch on the spot. It is an interesting and joyful exercise to be a part of a sacred harp singing. The videos do little to capture the energy of the actual engagement. It is the music of the participation of everybody and not just for the musicians in the crowd. Reid On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Dru Brooke-Taylor d...@brooke-taylor.freeserve.co.uk wrote: If you can follow this link, you'll hear them singing the sol fa for a hymn called New Jerusalem first, and then the hymn itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwUdlSHktmk There's still though the question 'why?'. I'd have thought if a person has the ability to learn the sol fa and the shapes, it would be easier to learn the ordinary notes. Incidentally, that shows some music. Could your singers try that in stead? Dru On 11 Jan 2011, at 10:40, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: If your question is why those particular shapes - I have no idea. No, it was why shapes at all? because if you remove them you are left with conventional notation. (I have perused a copy, but unfortunately don't own one). As you say: people who didn't read music much but were used to seeing normal notes, the shapes just confused them and complicated things. I think maybe more experienced music readers could ignore the shapes more easily This reminds me of the (very) old joke about television (It's amazing! if you close your eyes you could swear you were listening to the radio.) As they say in German: warum einfach, wenn's auch kompliziert geht? whereas to use the shapes as they were intended you have to have been trained in that system and nothing else. Hmm Great music, shame about the notation! Thanks for the Wikilink. I will explore. C -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Looking to get started - was- My little tune sponge....
Hi Richard Wow I am just really overwhelmed with the encouraging responses this group has given me. Thanks to you and others for helping me work this out. I am in fact very interested in getting a loner set from an appropriate source as soon as is reasonable. John wrote back saying his are currently spoken for so I am interested in renting one of you sets. How do we proceed? I have some time over the Christmas holidays to devote some time to the effort. I would love to get on somebody's loner list. I am also checking out the pipers gathering information as suggested. Cheers Reid On Nov 13, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Richard Shuttleworth rshuttlewo...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hello Reid, You can find help through the Pipers' Gathering which holds a convention in early August each year in Vermont. Visit www.pipersgathering.org for all the basic details. We have two sets of Northumbrian small pipes and two sets of Scottish small pipes available for rent (although some are already in use) and if John Leistman doesn't have a set available at this time then we may be able to help you out. Through our mailing list, we may be able to put you in touch with pipers living near you or failing that offer you some advice and encouragement via Skype. Keep in touch! Richard ps The Pipers' Gathering is always looking for sets that we can use as rental sets to help prospective pipers get started on their road to ruin. If anyone knows of sets that are currently languishing in a cupboard then we would love to hear from you! - Original Message - From: Reid Bishop greidbis...@gmail.com To: Ian Lawther irlawt...@comcast.net Cc: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: My little tune sponge Hideeho, I am new to the nsp list serve. I play fiddle and a few other stringed instruments in various Celtic trad styles. My love of Celtic music began when I was 12 listening to Scottish pipers. I am turning 40 this month and have decided at long last that I want to pipe! I play routinely with my family who are also trad players so I need something to play tunes on that context at least occassionally. I am growing in fascination with the NSP. How should I start? Better should I start given that I am now officially over the hill and have never played any kind of a wind instrument. Are Scottish smallpipes more appropriate. I am handy with fixing and maintaining instruments. Help! Cheers Reid - G. Reid Bishop, Ph.D. Director Mississippi River Field Institute National Audubon Society 1208 Washington St. Vicksburg, MS 39183 Office: (601)-661-6189 Mobile: (601)-214-5261 Email: rbis...@audubon.org Web:mri.audubon.org On Nov 13, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Ian Lawther irlawt...@comcast.net wrote: My youngest daughter (10) has always been a little bit of a tune sponge though she has refused to join the school choir (much to the teachers disappointment) and only recently took up an instrument (flute). Last night she was whistling something from Holst's The Planets which she picked up somewhere but right now she is sitting playing with Lego and whistling Morpeth Rantwhich I happened to be practicing on the melodeon about half and hour ago. She does it better than I was doing. Ian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: My little tune sponge....
Hideeho, I am new to the nsp list serve. I play fiddle and a few other stringed instruments in various Celtic trad styles. My love of Celtic music began when I was 12 listening to Scottish pipers. I am turning 40 this month and have decided at long last that I want to pipe! I play routinely with my family who are also trad players so I need something to play tunes on that context at least occassionally. I am growing in fascination with the NSP. How should I start? Better should I start given that I am now officially over the hill and have never played any kind of a wind instrument. Are Scottish smallpipes more appropriate. I am handy with fixing and maintaining instruments. Help! Cheers Reid - G. Reid Bishop, Ph.D. Director Mississippi River Field Institute National Audubon Society 1208 Washington St. Vicksburg, MS 39183 Office: (601)-661-6189 Mobile: (601)-214-5261 Email: rbis...@audubon.org Web:mri.audubon.org On Nov 13, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Ian Lawther irlawt...@comcast.net wrote: My youngest daughter (10) has always been a little bit of a tune sponge though she has refused to join the school choir (much to the teachers disappointment) and only recently took up an instrument (flute). Last night she was whistling something from Holst's The Planets which she picked up somewhere but right now she is sitting playing with Lego and whistling Morpeth Rantwhich I happened to be practicing on the melodeon about half and hour ago. She does it better than I was doing. Ian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
