[NSP] Re: tchuning
Oh very good! I'll download that for reference purposes :) Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Paul Gretton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: [NSP] tchuning This tells you it all you need to know. ;-) [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhHAojVyeG0 Cheers, Paul Gretton -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhHAojVyeG0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: tchuning
I love it! This tells you it all you need to know. ;-) [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhHAojVyeG0 Cheers, Paul Gretton -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhHAojVyeG0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: tchuning
Dear Chris, The tuning of the low E I find is most effectively tuned also against the A drone as a fifth or its inversion. This is also an octave to the top E so it can be checked both ways. The 'third' way is to use the tuning meter which I find to be the quickest way to tune most of the notes before putting them to the test against the appropriate ?drone. Colin R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 8:49 Subject: RE: [NSP] tchuning Ah, sorry, I had misread you to mean if you try to use the B you've already got (from tuning for G major) against a drone in tune with the E you've already got (from the A) it won't work. Because, as you explain, the B would need to be sharper.?It is strange, I find, that Mike Nelson explains?his lower tuning for the bottom E as being for the sake of G major rather than for permitting E minor. I have my low E?a bit flat relative to the top E and this permits me to play in E minor quite successfully (it was tuned this way by the maker). The middle E even tho it is tuned as a perfect fifth against the A drone does not sound too sharp against the G and D drones strangely enough.? ? The interval C-E?can sound a bit odd tho, at least to my lugs. chirs? AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: tchuning
So they carry you by the ears in your part of the world eh? Maybe they do, wherever it is. Something like that might be appropriate. Lugs (the kind attached to either side of a human head) can be put to various uses. In the town where I live miscreants are threatened with having their lugs nailed to the tron (public weigh beam in the market place). A proclamation is made by the Toun Crier (standing on the back of a horse) in the Mercat Place (this happens anually on the last Friday in July, the Common Riding day). The proclamation includes this warning about public behaviour at the Summer, or Lamb Fair:- '' a' land-loupers, and dub-scoupers, and gae-by-the-gate sweengers, that come here to breed hurdums or durdums, huliments or buliments, hagglements or bragglements, or to molest this public Fair,they shall be ta'en by order of the Bailie and the Toun Cooncil, and their lugs be nailed to the Tron wi' a twalpenny nail, and they shall sit doun on their bare knees and pray seeven times for the King and thrice for the Muckle Laird o' Ralton, and pay a groat tae mei, Jamie Ferguson, Bailie o' the aforesaid Manor, and I'll awa hame and hae a barly Bannock and a saut herring tae ma denner by way o' auld style.'' Bill To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: tchuning
Dear Sam, The 'lugs' are a pair of devices situated on either side of the head as in ' If yi divent shurrup aal giv yi a belt across the lugs.'?You may need to look it up in a Geordie Dictionary. I am afraid that NSP's come with a bit of local jargon known as 'Geordie' since they were developed in Northumberland and Durham. Colin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:05 Subject: Re: [NSP] tchuning Hi Colin,What is the 'lug'?Samgt; If you can be bothered to read this after all that has been going on it gt; concerns the use of the 'lug' to tune the chanter and little theory. gt; gt; gt; The notes to be tuned are the three that make up the Major Triad or gt; Doh,MeSo,or Tonic,major Third and Fifth intervals. gt; gt; gt; Start with the G drone on and do the G,B and D notes. gt; gt; gt; With the D drone on and the G switched off, tune in D, F# and A. gt; gt; gt; With the A drone switched on ( tuning bead on G drone) and the rest off, gt; tune in A,C# and E. gt; gt; gt; This leaves you with the middle C which is tuned as? fourth interval gt; against the original G drone. gt; gt; gt; That is the limit to which you can tune the chanter as if you try to tune gt; against E for those E minor tunes you will find the middle B too sharp for gt; the rest. Strangely enough the E note does not seem to be too sharp for gt; ! the D an A drones to play against. This is called Mean tuning and any gt; tuning issues can be corrected by means of bag pressure. Jack Armstrong gt; was adept at this as I found out when I was asked to service his pipes gt; where the chanter needed coaxing to play in tune. gt; gt; gt; If you want a tune to test your chanter try Carnaval of Venice which gt; covers all those middle notes. gt; gt; gt; Cheers, gt; gt; gt; Colin gt; gt; gt; ? gt; gt; gt; gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the gt; move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. gt; gt; -- gt; gt; To get on or off this list see list information at gt; http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. --
[NSP] Re: tchuning
No, it's a sort of sail, hence Lugger. Isn't it? Or was that a boat with big ears sticking out each side to catch the wind? Richard. Ormston, Chris wrote: And here was me thinking that the 'lug' might be an ancient tool fashioned from a curlew's beak by the early Christian monks of Lindisfarne to tune their Northumbrian pipes, or perhaps a form of sheep tick that the shepherds had somehow domesticated and taught to carve out the fingerholes while they played their pipes to their flocks. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 August 2008 13:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: tchuning Dear Sam, The 'lugs' are a pair of devices situated on either side of the head as in ' If yi divent shurrup aal giv yi a belt across the lugs.'?You may need to look it up in a Geordie Dictionary. I am afraid that NSP's come with a bit of local jargon known as 'Geordie' since they were developed in Northumberland and Durham. Colin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:05 Subject: Re: [NSP] tchuning Hi Colin,What is the 'lug'?Samgt; If you can be bothered to read this after all that has been going on it gt; concerns the use of the 'lug' to tune the chanter and little theory. gt; gt; gt; The notes to be tuned are the three that make up the Major Triad or gt; Doh,MeSo,or Tonic,major Third and Fifth intervals. gt; gt; gt; Start with the G drone on and do the G,B and D notes. gt; gt; gt; With the D drone on and the G switched off, tune in D, F# and A. gt; gt; gt; With the A drone switched on ( tuning bead on G drone) and the rest off, gt; tune in A,C# and E. gt; gt; gt; This leaves you with the middle C which is tuned as? fourth interval gt; against the original G drone. gt; gt; gt; That is the limit to which you can tune the chanter as if you try to tune gt; against E for those E minor tunes you will find the middle B too sharp for gt; the rest. Strangely enough the E note does not seem to be too sharp for gt; ! the D an A drones to play against. This is called Mean tuning and any gt; tuning issues can be corrected by means of bag pressure. Jack Armstrong gt; was adept at this as I found out when I was asked to service his pipes gt; where the chanter needed coaxing to play in tune. gt; gt; gt; If you want a tune to test your chanter try Carnaval of Venice which gt; covers all those middle notes. gt; gt; gt; Cheers, gt; gt; gt; Colin gt; gt; gt; ? gt; gt; gt; gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the gt; move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. gt; gt; -- gt; gt; To get on or off this list see list information at gt; http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- The information contained in this e-mail may be subject to public disclosure under the NHS Code of Openness or the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Unless the information is legally exempt, the confidentiality of this e-mail and your reply cannot be guaranteed. Unless expressly stated otherwise, the information contained in this e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute, or take any action or reliance upon it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender. Any unauthorised disclosure of the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited.
[NSP] Re: tchuning
Isn't that the fellow from Walker's crisps sitting in that boat? Lugs (or expanded to lug-holes) is a common expression in Liverpool as well (as in pin back your lug-holes meaning to listen and pay attention). having Googled a little (as a rest from choyting) it varies from a Scottish word to a cockney one if it was confined to industrial areas, maybe our roving shipworkers carried it around the country. However, it's also down as from the Shetland Isles (lug=ear) in the Shetland Dictionary. Also claimed by Norfolk with the addition of the word luggy as meaning deaf. Not really the height of either industry or shipbuilding there, I think. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Richard York [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: tchuning No, it's a sort of sail, hence Lugger. Isn't it? Or was that a boat with big ears sticking out each side to catch the wind? Richard. Ormston, Chris wrote: And here was me thinking that the 'lug' might be an ancient tool fashioned from a curlew's beak by the early Christian monks of Lindisfarne to tune their Northumbrian pipes, or perhaps a form of sheep tick that the shepherds had somehow domesticated and taught to carve out the fingerholes while they played their pipes to their flocks. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 August 2008 13:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: tchuning Dear Sam, The 'lugs' are a pair of devices situated on either side of the head as in ' If yi divent shurrup aal giv yi a belt across the lugs.'?You may need to look it up in a Geordie Dictionary. I am afraid that NSP's come with a bit of local jargon known as 'Geordie' since they were developed in Northumberland and Durham. Colin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:05 Subject: Re: [NSP] tchuning Hi Colin,What is the 'lug'?Samgt; If you can be bothered to read this after all that has been going on it gt; concerns the use of the 'lug' to tune the chanter and little theory. gt; gt; gt; The notes to be tuned are the three that make up the Major Triad or gt; Doh,MeSo,or Tonic,major Third and Fifth intervals. gt; gt; gt; Start with the G drone on and do the G,B and D notes. gt; gt; gt; With the D drone on and the G switched off, tune in D, F# and A. gt; gt; gt; With the A drone switched on ( tuning bead on G drone) and the rest off, gt; tune in A,C# and E. gt; gt; gt; This leaves you with the middle C which is tuned as? fourth interval gt; against the original G drone. gt; gt; gt; That is the limit to which you can tune the chanter as if you try to tune gt; against E for those E minor tunes you will find the middle B too sharp for gt; the rest. Strangely enough the E note does not seem to be too sharp for gt; ! the D an A drones to play against. This is called Mean tuning and any gt; tuning issues can be corrected by means of bag pressure. Jack Armstrong gt; was adept at this as I found out when I was asked to service his pipes gt; where the chanter needed coaxing to play in tune. gt; gt; gt; If you want a tune to test your chanter try Carnaval of Venice which gt; covers all those middle notes. gt; gt; gt; Cheers, gt; gt; gt; Colin gt; gt; gt; ? gt; gt; gt; gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the gt; move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. gt; gt; -- gt; gt; To get on or off this list see list information at gt; http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- The information contained in this e-mail may be subject to public disclosure under the NHS Code of Openness or the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Unless the information is legally exempt, the confidentiality of this e-mail and your reply cannot be guaranteed. Unless expressly stated otherwise, the information contained in this e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute, or take any action or reliance upon it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender. Any unauthorised disclosure of the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: tchuning
As the Oxford Dictionary defines lug as a Projection on an object by which it may be carried, fixed in place, etc I would have thought the adaptation to ears (as projections on the head) would be fairly common throughout the English speaking world. Ian colin wrote: Isn't that the fellow from Walker's crisps sitting in that boat? Lugs (or expanded to lug-holes) is a common expression in Liverpool as well (as in pin back your lug-holes meaning to listen and pay attention). having Googled a little (as a rest from choyting) it varies from a Scottish word to a cockney one if it was confined to industrial areas, maybe our roving shipworkers carried it around the country. However, it's also down as from the Shetland Isles (lug=ear) in the Shetland Dictionary. Also claimed by Norfolk with the addition of the word luggy as meaning deaf. Not really the height of either industry or shipbuilding there, I think. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Richard York [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: tchuning No, it's a sort of sail, hence Lugger. Isn't it? Or was that a boat with big ears sticking out each side to catch the wind? Richard. Ormston, Chris wrote: And here was me thinking that the 'lug' might be an ancient tool fashioned from a curlew's beak by the early Christian monks of Lindisfarne to tune their Northumbrian pipes, or perhaps a form of sheep tick that the shepherds had somehow domesticated and taught to carve out the fingerholes while they played their pipes to their flocks. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 August 2008 13:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: tchuning Dear Sam, The 'lugs' are a pair of devices situated on either side of the head as in ' If yi divent shurrup aal giv yi a belt across the lugs.'?You may need to look it up in a Geordie Dictionary. I am afraid that NSP's come with a bit of local jargon known as 'Geordie' since they were developed in Northumberland and Durham. Colin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:05 Subject: Re: [NSP] tchuning Hi Colin,What is the 'lug'?Samgt; If you can be bothered to read this after all that has been going on it gt; concerns the use of the 'lug' to tune the chanter and little theory. gt; gt; gt; The notes to be tuned are the three that make up the Major Triad or gt; Doh,MeSo,or Tonic,major Third and Fifth intervals. gt; gt; gt; Start with the G drone on and do the G,B and D notes. gt; gt; gt; With the D drone on and the G switched off, tune in D, F# and A. gt; gt; gt; With the A drone switched on ( tuning bead on G drone) and the rest off, gt; tune in A,C# and E. gt; gt; gt; This leaves you with the middle C which is tuned as? fourth interval gt; against the original G drone. gt; gt; gt; That is the limit to which you can tune the chanter as if you try to tune gt; against E for those E minor tunes you will find the middle B too sharp for gt; the rest. Strangely enough the E note does not seem to be too sharp for gt; ! the D an A drones to play against. This is called Mean tuning and any gt; tuning issues can be corrected by means of bag pressure. Jack Armstrong gt; was adept at this as I found out when I was asked to service his pipes gt; where the chanter needed coaxing to play in tune. gt; gt; gt; If you want a tune to test your chanter try Carnaval of Venice which gt; covers all those middle notes. gt; gt; gt; Cheers, gt; gt; gt; Colin gt; gt; gt; ? gt; gt; gt; gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the gt; move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. gt; gt; -- gt; gt; To get on or off this list see list information at gt; http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- The information contained in this e-mail may be subject to public disclosure under the NHS Code of Openness or the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Unless the information is legally exempt, the confidentiality of this e-mail and your reply cannot be guaranteed. Unless expressly stated otherwise, the information contained in this e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute, or take any action or reliance upon it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender. Any unauthorised disclosure of the information contained in this e-mail
[NSP] Re: tchuning
So they carry you by the ears in your part of the world eh? Sorry, couldn't help myself. It seems that the word lug actually referred to an ear before it referred to a projection (Middle English lugge - an earflap possibly of Scandinavian origin) but is listed as an alternative for ear first in Scotland. Fascinating the study of etymology. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Ian Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: colin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: tchuning As the Oxford Dictionary defines lug as a Projection on an object by which it may be carried, fixed in place, etc I would have thought the adaptation to ears (as projections on the head) would be fairly common throughout the English speaking world. Ian colin wrote: Isn't that the fellow from Walker's crisps sitting in that boat? Lugs (or expanded to lug-holes) is a common expression in Liverpool as well (as in pin back your lug-holes meaning to listen and pay attention). having Googled a little (as a rest from choyting) it varies from a Scottish word to a cockney one if it was confined to industrial areas, maybe our roving shipworkers carried it around the country. However, it's also down as from the Shetland Isles (lug=ear) in the Shetland Dictionary. Also claimed by Norfolk with the addition of the word luggy as meaning deaf. Not really the height of either industry or shipbuilding there, I think. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Richard York [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: tchuning No, it's a sort of sail, hence Lugger. Isn't it? Or was that a boat with big ears sticking out each side to catch the wind? Richard. Ormston, Chris wrote: And here was me thinking that the 'lug' might be an ancient tool fashioned from a curlew's beak by the early Christian monks of Lindisfarne to tune their Northumbrian pipes, or perhaps a form of sheep tick that the shepherds had somehow domesticated and taught to carve out the fingerholes while they played their pipes to their flocks. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 August 2008 13:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: tchuning Dear Sam, The 'lugs' are a pair of devices situated on either side of the head as in ' If yi divent shurrup aal giv yi a belt across the lugs.'?You may need to look it up in a Geordie Dictionary. I am afraid that NSP's come with a bit of local jargon known as 'Geordie' since they were developed in Northumberland and Durham. Colin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:05 Subject: Re: [NSP] tchuning Hi Colin,What is the 'lug'?Samgt; If you can be bothered to read this after all that has been going on it gt; concerns the use of the 'lug' to tune the chanter and little theory. gt; gt; gt; The notes to be tuned are the three that make up the Major Triad or gt; Doh,MeSo,or Tonic,major Third and Fifth intervals. gt; gt; gt; Start with the G drone on and do the G,B and D notes. gt; gt; gt; With the D drone on and the G switched off, tune in D, F# and A. gt; gt; gt; With the A drone switched on ( tuning bead on G drone) and the rest off, gt; tune in A,C# and E. gt; gt; gt; This leaves you with the middle C which is tuned as? fourth interval gt; against the original G drone. gt; gt; gt; That is the limit to which you can tune the chanter as if you try to tune gt; against E for those E minor tunes you will find the middle B too sharp for gt; the rest. Strangely enough the E note does not seem to be too sharp for gt; ! the D an A drones to play against. This is called Mean tuning and any gt; tuning issues can be corrected by means of bag pressure. Jack Armstrong gt; was adept at this as I found out when I was asked to service his pipes gt; where the chanter needed coaxing to play in tune. gt; gt; gt; If you want a tune to test your chanter try Carnaval of Venice which gt; covers all those middle notes. gt; gt; gt; Cheers, gt; gt; gt; Colin gt; gt; gt; ? gt; gt; gt; gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the gt; move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. gt; gt; -- gt; gt; To get on or off this list see list information at gt; http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html gt; AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- The information contained in this e-mail may be subject to public disclosure under the NHS Code
