Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Le 22 juin 04, à 19:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : the idea of the keywords is very nice... in http://wiki.tcl.tk you can search for a specific page using the url yes! it's the best exemple I know about! No need to define a strict hierchical structure. Also, this could be the url for hight level FAQ (this forum it not realy a hight level forum!) - how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?) - which/where is the reference documentation (don't reply with some recursive answer!) - how many euro poeple would pay for a reference ConTeXt book? I know these questions has been answered somewhere, and some days ago, But I know that because I have followed this mailing list for months. But I'm not sure I'm able to find these without asking to this list! like in http://wiki.tcl.tk/file even more, you can search all pages containing a word like in: http://wiki.tcl.tk/menu* perhaps it could be copied for ConTeXt wiki...don´t know how tclers do theirs, but I guess they use tcl and they more or less can give some advice. Just some thoughts. Cheers, Jose Ignacio -- Maurice Diamantini http://www.ensta.fr/~diam ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts...
Patrick Gundlach wrote: Hi, \usetypescript [adobekb][ec] \usetypescript [postscript][ec] \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] \starttext foo \stoptext [ failed with message like ec-uhvr8a not found ] The ConTeXt was too old. It did not have the type-akb.tex file and so the filenames did not get mapped to the standard names. Why does a missing typescript not produce any error message? because then you would ask how to turn off all those messages, add \tracetypescriptstrue to cont-sys.tex and you'll have tons of messages -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Hello, Maurice Diamantin wrote: - how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?) Well, ConTeXt is regarded as opensource. The last time I read the licence it looked pretty free. In how far do you think should ConTeXt become more open source? BSD licence without advertising clause? LGPL? Note that teTeX comes with this licence statement by Thomas Esser (doc/context/base/LICENSE.teTeX): I have taken great care to ensure that teTeX is free software. When speaking about free software, I always refer to the definition of the Free Software Foundation, given as http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. To my understanding, ConTeXt with the mreadme.pdf-license already classifies as free software (as defined by the FSF). To be 100% sure of this fact, I hereby make ConTeXt free software by definition by adding the following clause to ConTeXt's license: If ConTeXt is not free software by the license in mreadme.pdf, the following terms replace the licence for ConTeXt given in mreadme.pdf: This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.[...] - which/where is the reference documentation (don't reply with some recursive answer!) Hmm, the problem is that the documentation is* notoriously outdated and incomplete. But I think the ConTeXt - the manual is rather good though incomplete. * - how many euro poeple would pay for a reference ConTeXt book? You mean a printed version of the revised/enhanced ConTeXt - a manual? Regards, Tobias ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Hi, the idea of the keywords is very nice... in http://wiki.tcl.tk you can search for a specific page using the url http://wiki.tcl.tk/file even more, you can search all pages containing a word like in: http://wiki.tcl.tk/menu* But this is not a pure keyword serach. This is just a fulltext search. perhaps it could be copied for ConTeXt wiki... No, different software. But this is not the point, since you can search though all pages with the instiki software that I use. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Hi, Also, this could be the url for hight level FAQ (this forum it not realy a hight level forum!) Go ahead and put it in the wiki! Its up to us all to put content in there. - how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?) It is open source, even free software. You can go ahead and change everything yourself. Pragma ADE has licenced this impressive and valuable macro package under the terms of the GNU Public License (GPL)! This is really great! (See mreadme.pdf for details.) Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts...
[...] because then you would ask how to turn off all those messages, add \tracetypescriptstrue to cont-sys.tex and you'll have tons of messages -) you should have warned me before, I have no space on my harddisk left anymore ;-) Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: Wrapping \type{}
Nikolai Weibull [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] \startBNF regex: branch ; branch, |, regex. \stopBNF [...] It actually worked! Thank you so much for the example. I'll probably rewrite my module a bit to work more like your example above actually, [...] So, did you complete your module? Is it ready for the public yet? Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Le 23 juin 04, à 10:51, Tobias Burnus a écrit : Maurice Diamantin wrote: - how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?) Well, ConTeXt is regarded as opensource. OK, probably I looked at this file too long ago. I agree ConTeXt is now Open source. But as Open Source, I also (by mistake) mean a SourceForge projet from which: - an **unique** starting URL. - dated version would be available, - current official documentation (I didn't mean documentationsss) - access (via links) to to any other information (pragma, wiki, ...) - which/where is the reference documentation (don't reply with some recursive answer!) Hmm, the problem is that the documentation is* notoriously outdated and incomplete. But I think the ConTeXt - the manual is rather good though incomplete. * Yes I agree that ConTeXt - the manual is **the** currently reference manual. As such, it should probably be a more or less maintained an uptodate (but not as other said uptodate context documents :-) version. - how many euro poeple would pay for a reference ConTeXt book? You mean a printed version of the revised/enhanced ConTeXt - a manual? Yes! I know that it's a big work to maintain such a documentation, and probably (?), even Hans should eat some food (and sleep) from time to time! So if this work could be sell as a ConTeXt book. I think it could make a great difference for peoples who hesitate to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt : no book available for now! This book could be reedited perhaps every 2 years, and updates (and perhaps the book itself ?) could be made available on the web. I agree there is much less ConText user than LaTeX user, but: - this book whould be the only ConTeXt book available, so it should be easy to sell, - the fact that there is a ConTeXt book should make ConTeXt more attractive (as for a SourceForge projet) -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: Can \note repeat its footnote?
Hi Hans,
thanks for your reply. Unfortunately your solution does not work
correctly. The following example produces one footnote at the first page
but no footnote on the second page.
\starttext
funny\myfootnote[funny]{funny} funny\mynote[funny]
\page
funny\mynote[funny] funny\mynote[funny]
\stoptext
--Stefan
PS: Would it be possible to use the same footnote mark again when a
footnote is repeated?
Hans Hagen wrote:
Stefan Wachter wrote:
Hi all!
The \note[xxx] command is used to reference a previously defined
footnote. Is it possible that the previously defined footnote is
repeated if a page break had occured between the \footnote[xxx]{bla
bla bla} and the corresponding \note[xxx] command?
it's incredible what kin dof wishes users can come up with -)
\def\myfootnote[#1]#2% let's guess that #2 is without catcode problems
{\setxvalue{note:#1}{\footnote{#2}}\footnote[note:a:#1]{#2}}
\def\mynote[#1]%
{\removeunwantedspaces
\pagereference[note:b:#1]%
\doifreferencefoundelse{note:a:#1}
{\edef\NotePageA{\number\currentrealreference}%
\doifreferencefoundelse{note:b:#1}
{\edef\NotePageB{\number\currentrealreference}%
\ifnum\NotePageA\NotePageB\relax
\getvalue{note:#1}%
\else
\note[note:a:#1]%
\fi}
{\note[note:a:#1]}}
{\note[note:a:#1]}}
\starttext
test \myfootnote[funny]{first occurence} test\mynote[funny]
test \myfootnote[again]{first occurence} \page test \mynote[again]
\stoptext
hardly tested
Hans
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[NTG-context] generating html
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Re: [NTG-context] generating html
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 04:04:20PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there an easy way to transform a ConTeXt document into html...? I searched the archives of this mailing list about a year ago for info on that subject, and found nothing. So it would appear there is no such way ... though I didn't investigate very deeply. What I would do--if I were working with new documents--would be to create the documents in XML; then I could use ConTeXt for the print version, and XSLT to generate HTML. XSLT isn't exactly easy, but it is proven and widely used. If you need to work with documents that are already in ConTeXt ... you know, now that I think about it, it probably wouldn't be very hard to write a script to translate ConTeXt to XML. Once you've done that translation, you use XSLT to output HTML. Again, not easy, but certainly feasible. -- Matt Gushee When a nation follows the Way, Englewood, Colorado, USAHorses bear manure through [EMAIL PROTECTED] its fields; http://www.havenrock.com/ When a nation ignores the Way, Horses bear soldiers through its streets. --Lao Tzu (Peter Merel, trans.) ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Hi Maurice, texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 Not accessible! Perhaps because I'm behind a firewall? I should try at home. I just double checked that the services both run ok. If there is any problem that could be on my side, please tell me. OK, It is open source But about the documentation. The easiest way to finf this file is by looking for mreadme.pdf pragma in google! I did 'locate mreadme'. That was quick I didn't even have to download the file, it is shipped with ConTeXt... :-) And for the rest of the documentation, goto http://www.pragma-ade.com/overview.htm and you will find almost all available documentation that is available in pdf. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] metafun
I have made texexec --make metafun to generate metafun format. And it said it generated it. But... I always get these messages kpathsea: Running mktexfmt metafun.mem fmtutil: no info for format `metafun'. when doing texexec --pdf to my tex-beauties... it seems that he goes for metapost after that... is there anything wrong here? thanks ! jose ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Hi, But as Open Source, I also (by mistake) mean a SourceForge projet from which: - an **unique** starting URL. www.pragma-ade.com - dated version would be available, http://www.pragma-ade.com/download.htm - current official documentation (I didn't mean documentationsss) Well, ConTeXt is too complicated to have all aspects in one book. - access (via links) to to any other information (pragma, wiki, ...) http://www.pragma-ade.com/links.htm - which/where is the reference documentation (don't reply with some recursive answer!) Hmm, the problem is that the documentation is* notoriously outdated and incomplete. But I think the ConTeXt - the manual is rather good though incomplete. Yes I agree that ConTeXt - the manual is **the** currently reference manual. As such, it should probably be a more or less maintained an uptodate (but not as other said uptodate context documents :-) version. I agree with you there. The documentation should be updated a bit and put togehter. The uptodate manuals should go into different manuals and vanish, since they are not uptodate anymore (perhaps they are uptodate, but the date is behind). [...] Talking about a sourceforge project. I guess that Hans would still keep his ConTeXt distribution private (at PRAGMA ADE [btw. what is the correct way to write your company's name?]) and not care very much about any other SF project (as long as it does not get into his way), but would be very reluctant giving support for the different project. Once an tool is necessary for your everyday work, it is a bad thing to give it out of your control. If you need a SF project, make one (actually, there is one as I have been told). But keep in mind that you should follow the license restrictions in mreadme.pdf *and* you have to do all by yourself, since most people here (I guess) are happy the way it is now. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: metafun
Hi, try texexec --alone --make metafun and your texexec is (as far as I can judge) far out of date. TeXExec 4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004 is current Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: metafun
you are right...mine is 3.1 but I don't understand...I downloaded cont-tmf.zip yesterday from pragma-ade downloading page... is it not the right place/version? where should I get the lattest? thanks again ! Jose Hi, try texexec --alone --make metafun and your texexec is (as far as I can judge) far out of date. TeXExec 4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004 is current Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Hello, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Patrick Gundlach wrote: [starting ConTeXt wiki at] http://members.ping.de:8062/ What kind of example documents do you think of? I guess that you know that the magazines on the main ConTeXt site have their source code included? I was thinking of all kinds of day-to-day documents, like the letter template I mentioned. I could not find one according to DIN-standards, so I did some trial-and-error experiments and created my own. What were the difficulties you ran into? One problem was on how to create a header with a different height for just one page for a letter template ... I needed some trickery (I don't recall it exactly, now) to make it work, and tried many things on the way. Another was the anchoring of layers, although for that I found some very helpful documentation (thanks, Hans, for the Details). And, as I'm no wizard in TeX, I had some problems with redefining in macros; I still do not know, whether these work for all cases now. Arguments for a collection could be: 1) Perhaps a comprehensive and classified collection of sample documents could spare others such time consuming trials. a) it is impossible to have a comprehensive collection of documents. There are too many faces ConTeXt has. Okay, but it would be nice to have a starting point, instead of starting all projects from scratch. Didn't anybody write a letter for window-envelopes yet? b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities: 1) layout trickery macro hacking itemize weirdness crazy table fun or 2) letters articles poems magazines/newspaper Any other? Which one makes sense? You are right. But from my perspective, the latter would make more sense. At least, I thought about such a collection being useful when I start a new project (e.g. a letter ...). Then I could look up, whether there is anything I can build on. For the trickery and stuff, there is the documentation (okay, these are not editable by everyone), and one could build a second hierarchy in the Wiki which contains simply links to helpful trickery in the other parts ... -- Holger F. Schoener TU Berlin; Dept. IV: EE and Computer Science [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~hfsch/ Rooms FR2525Tel: +49-30-314-73115, Fax: -73121 Office FR 2-1 Franklinstr. 28/29, D-10587 Berlin, Germany ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: metafun
Hi, but I don't understand...I downloaded cont-tmf.zip yesterday from pragma-ade downloading page... is it not the right place/version? that is the only authorative(spelling?) place to download... There are mirrors, but I don't know how uptodate they are. The output you have sent me (private mail) showed that you use the latest ConTeXt texfiles, but the perl progam texexec was not updated. Did texexec --make --alone metafun work? Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: metafun
yep, it seems to work...it generates metafun.mem in the same directory it was invoked... do I have to invoke texexec --make --alone in a specific directory to perform correct installation of ConTeXt ? I have not seen anything like that mentioned in install document... is lattest version of TexExec in cont-tfm.zip ? Jose Hi, but I don't understand...I downloaded cont-tmf.zip yesterday from pragma-ade downloading page... is it not the right place/version? that is the only authorative(spelling?) place to download... There are mirrors, but I don't know how uptodate they are. The output you have sent me (private mail) showed that you use the latest ConTeXt texfiles, but the perl progam texexec was not updated. Did texexec --make --alone metafun work? Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: metafun
Hi Jose, do I have to invoke texexec --make --alone in a specific directory to perform correct installation of ConTeXt ? texexec --make --alone bypasses your distribution's way of installing format files (fmtutil in your case I guess). Put the resulting format files (*.fmt, *efmt, *mem) in texmf/web2c and rerun texhash. I have not seen anything like that mentioned in install document... I guess it is hidden... is lattest version of TexExec in cont-tfm.zip ? Yes. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: metafun
Patrick Gundlach wrote: Hi, but I don't understand...I downloaded cont-tmf.zip yesterday from pragma-ade downloading page... is it not the right place/version? that is the only authorative(spelling?) place to download... There are mirrors, but I don't know how uptodate they are. The output you have sent me (private mail) showed that you use the latest ConTeXt texfiles, but the perl progam texexec was not updated. Did texexec --make --alone metafun work? watch out: scripts are now under ../texmf*/scripts/context and no longer under ../texmf/context/ ; normally this should make no difference but ... Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] generating html
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there an easy way to transform a ConTeXt document into html...? regards Eitan has added some support for that to tex4ht so that may become a feasible way of doing it (depends on the layout and such); so, maybe you whould look into that (beta zip on tex4ht site) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: filename
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Hello Hans,
Well, I don't think you can do this. You can only get the name of the
main TeX file by using \jobname, but thats all. (Hopefully I didn't
miss some secret.) Different approach: put some info in your file with
a macro like \define\thisfile{/path/to/test.tex}. Or you can put some RCS
information in your file for example.
of course you missed a few secret:
\inputfilename
\outputfilename
\jobfilesuffix
don't look at the code, some catcode mess is involved
OK, I didn't. But the above still gives me the name of the main file
only:
there is also \currentfile
\starttext
\startlines
\inputfilename
\outputfilename
\jobfilesuffix
\stoplines
\input included
\readfile{included}{}{}
\stoptext
and in included.tex:
Included file:
\startlines
\inputfilename
\outputfilename
\jobfilesuffix
\stoplines
gives me:
test.tex
test
tex
Included file:
test.tex
test
tex
Included file:
test.tex
test
tex
Patrick
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: metafun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, it seems to work...it generates metafun.mem in the same directory it was invoked... do I have to invoke texexec --make --alone in a specific directory to perform correct installation of ConTeXt ? I have not seen anything like that mentioned in install document... the problem is that that should be a writable web2c path (maybe i should extend texexec a bit) $TEXFORMATS=path-to-web2c could be set is needed (then you know for sure where things end up) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: filename
Hello Hans, there is also \currentfile \starttext \currentfile \stoptext - undefined cs \currentfile Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Phonetic Symbols
are there phonetic symbols to use in ConTeXt? like tipa for LaTeX There's no ready module or encoding AFAIK. But if you have the fonts (e.g. SIL fonts), perhaps have a look how Adam addresses Unicode symbols: http://homepage.mac.com/atl/tex/ Grüßlis vom Hraban! --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
