Re: [NTG-context] startlines bug(s)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Stuart Jansen wrote:

Below is a simple test case that illustrates what I suspect are bugs
with \startlines. I suspect that fixing them will be tricky, so I'm
wondering if anyone can think of work arounds.


I'm not sure if they are bugs, because they come as a natural
amd predictable side-effect of using \obeyspaces. Here is an
example of the needed source changes to get your expected
output:

  \starttext
  \bgroup\tt
  \ConTeXt\ is A\bgroup\ttsl maz\egroup ing
  \setuplines[space=yes]
  \startlines
  \ConTeXt\ is A{\ttsl{}maz}ing
   I didn't expect spaces around "maz"
  \stoplines
  \setuplines[space=on]
  \startlines
  \ConTeXt{ }is A{\ttsl{}maz}ing
   I expected a space marker before "is"
  \stoplines\egroup
  \stoptext

Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] bilingual texts in ConTeXt, modern_greek-english

[Wolfgang Zillig]

Ok,

I had a look around I think I is a bit more complicated than I expected. 
There is a "My way" http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/GreekInContext.pdf 
at contextgarden, perhaps this documants helps you to set up your file.


Greetings

Wolfgang

(I use only greek symbols in some math formulas, therefore I'm not an 
expert in typsetting greek texts)

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[NTG-context] Re: bilingual texts in ConTeXt, modern_greek-english

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

> I try to jump from LaTeX to ConTeXt.
>
> How I can write bilingual texts, ModernGreek-english, in ConTeXt?

I'd guess that  is not the
greek you want, but perhaps I am wrong. From the readme:


This is version 0.9 of the ConTeXt Greek module for typesetting
ancient (polytonic) Greek in ConTeXt. Copyright (C) 2005 Thomas A. Schmitz.


There are no special greek fonts installed on live.contextgarden.net,
so I don't know if greek runs out of the box. If there is anything I
should do to enable greek (or other stuff) on contextgarden.net,
please tell me.


Patrick
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Re: [NTG-context] s-pre-19: page numbers?

[Christopher Creutzig]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:


Is this not the same problem as the one that was mentioned last
week (the one that requires the core-lst.tex that Hans posted
as attachment)?


 It might be the same problem, but that file does not solve it.  I did 
remember to run texexec --make --all and to remove web2c/cont-en.fmt in 
favor of web2c/pdfetex/cont-en.fmt.



Christopher
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[NTG-context] I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis

[Alexandra Ribeiro]

Hi,
 

I need some 
advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis.
 
I?m completely 
new to TeX and of course to Context but I?m convinced that Microsoft Word is far 
away from being the right tool for writing a long document. Well, in the past I 
had some big big headaches?
 
At this moment 
I?ve to make a choice: continue using Word or start learning a new tool, which 
will probably consume much of my time. So, I?m in a dilemma. That?s why I?m 
asking for help.
 
Is it really 
worth learning Context? I mean, does this package deal efficiently with some 
important things like TOC, cross-references, bibliography, figures, math, ?? Is 
it too hard to learn (for a mere mortal, of course)? What about support for 
different languages, in particular for 
Portuguese?
 
If I choose 
Context, can some somebody give me some guidelines/advices? 

 
I?ve already 
downloaded mswincontext.zip and I?ll start studying/testing 
Context.
 
Thank 
you.
 
Alex
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Re: [NTG-context] s-pre-19: page numbers?

[Christopher Creutzig]

Christopher Creutzig wrote:

Taco Hoekwater wrote:


Is this not the same problem as the one that was mentioned last
week (the one that requires the core-lst.tex that Hans posted
as attachment)?


 As a short term measure, I have included

\def\linklisttoelement#1#2#3#4#5% % list location format page data
  {\gotonextinternal\currentlist{#2}{#4}{#5}}

into my document and got the menu I wanted – no spurious numbers any 
more and the hyperlinks do work.  YMMV.



 Technical discussion (probably should go to the dev-list):

 Since I have no clear view of where else the code is used, I'm not 
sure whichplace to fix, but the definition (and comment) of 
\linklisttoelement and \gotonextinternal do not agree on what to print:


Note that the comment here refers to a fifth argument which does not exist:

\def\linklisttoelement#1#2#3#4% % list location format page data
  {\gotonextinternal\currentlist{#1}{#3}{#4}}

Therefore, \gotonextinternal in its fourth argument gets the page 
number.  It expects “text” in there and dutifully passes it to 
\gotorealpage, where it is printed.



regards,
Christopher
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Re: [NTG-context] s-pre-19: page numbers?

[h h extern]

Christopher Creutzig wrote:

Taco Hoekwater wrote:


Is this not the same problem as the one that was mentioned last
week (the one that requires the core-lst.tex that Hans posted
as attachment)?



 It might be the same problem, but that file does not solve it.  I did 
remember to run texexec --make --all and to remove web2c/cont-en.fmt in 
favor of web2c/pdfetex/cont-en.fmt.


i need a small example

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] startMPgraphics in texshow?

[h h extern]

Christopher Creutzig wrote:

Salvete,

 it seems that the whole family of MPgraphics commands is missing in 
texshow – looking for “graphics” turns up no matches.  Are they 
generated by some magical macro or missing because of their capital 
letters?


no, just lazyness on my side

if someone collects a list of missing ones i can add them

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis

[Christopher Creutzig]

Alexandra Ribeiro wrote:

At this moment I’ve to make a choice: continue using Word or start 
learning a new tool, which will probably consume much of my time. So, 
I’m in a dilemma. That’s why I’m asking for help.


 Off the top of my head, I'd say you have to ask yourself at least the 
following questions:


- How much time are you willing to spend on a tool?
- How much do you *really* bother about the final appearance?
- What formats is your PhD advisor happy with?
- Assuming you would like to reuse some parts of your thesis for
  independent publications, what formats do the journals in your
  field accept?
- How much help do you need when learning?  How much of this
  can come from a mailing list (and its archives), how much
  must be presented in book format and how much face-to-face
  introduction do you need?  What do people around you know
  and use?

Is it really worth learning Context? I mean, does this package deal 


 It depends.  For me, definitely, but I've long reached the area in 
LaTeX where doing what I want to do means hacking around the design 
limitations of that system – and that probably implies that I'll have a 
hard time being satisfied by InDesign, OOo or whatever program limited 
by the WYSIWYG approach.


efficiently with some important things like TOC, cross-references, 
bibliography, figures, math, …?


 Certainly.  (You did not mention footnotes and multiple indices, but I 
regard those as crucial in any typesetting tool, too.)


Is it too hard to learn (for a mere 
mortal, of course)?


 It depends.  The worst thing about ConTeXt is its almost complete lack 
of error diagnostics.  Forget a curly brace somewhere or mistype the 
name of an option and you'll probably spend hours looking for it, the 
first couple of times.  It certainly helps to have some programming 
experience.


 What about support for different languages, in 
particular for Portuguese?


 I don't know any Portuguese, but multiple languages are supported.


If I choose Context, can some somebody give me some guidelines/advices?


 Do read the manual.  Print it and have it next to your computer.  Make 
notes in there.


 After reading the manual, go to contextgarden.net and click on “Random 
Page” a couple of times.  Do this every morning – you will find a lot of 
things which are completely irrelevant to you (and solve problems of 
others, which is why they are there), but the occasional gem is worth 
the time.



Christopher
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Re: [NTG-context] I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis

[Jörg Hagmann]

Hi Alex,

I am in a similar situation, just a few months ahead of you. I am writing a textbook and decided to do that in Context, without having had any experience with TeX or LaTeX.
So far, I am pleased with my decision (my experience covers figures, math, tables, footnotes, text and figures in margin - a lot of it default stuff - but not yet bibliography, index, fonts (except greek) and table of contents).
The discussion group helped me when necessary and politely ignored some premature idiotic questions. However, the level of the discussions is way above my head, and I at times get the feeling of being an obnoxious intruder.
The most important thing: it is fun and often a welcome change from writing. It reminds me of old-style photography, where you exposed the film and then had to wait, wondering whether the picture would come out as hoped or not. But if one doesn't like that, the effort is probably too much for a PhD thesis.
Cheers, Jörg.

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On Jun 17, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Alexandra Ribeiro wrote:

Hi,
 
I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis.
 
I’m completely new to TeX and of course to Context but I’m convinced that Microsoft Word is far away from being the right tool for writing a long document. Well, in the past I had some big big headaches…
 
At this moment I’ve to make a choice: continue using Word or start learning a new tool, which will probably consume much of my time. So, I’m in a dilemma. That’s why I’m asking for help.
 
Is it really worth learning Context? I mean, does this package deal efficiently with some important things like TOC, cross-references, bibliography, figures, math, …? Is it too hard to learn (for a mere mortal, of course)? What about support for different languages, in particular for Portuguese?
 
If I choose Context, can some somebody give me some guidelines/advices?
 
I’ve already downloaded mswincontext.zip and I’ll start studying/testing Context.
 
Thank you.
 
Alex
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[NTG-context] text backgrounds in bTABLE...

[Martin Kolarík]

Hi all,

I have problem with the background of some text inisde bTABLE cell. The
input file is in my case some common XML, so inside table cell various
paragraph elements appear. That is why I cannot simple set up background for
cell itself.

The problem is that the background does not fit into cell as it is spread
over all text width.

The attached example contains corresponding TeX code -- a cell contains two
pars and one verbatim with background. And the background flows out of the
cell.

Thank you and have a nice day,

Martin


tblverbatim.tex
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Re: [NTG-context] I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis

[luigi.scarso]

Alexandra Ribeiro wrote:


Hi,

I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis.



I'm completely new to TeX and of course to Context but I'm convinced that 
Microsoft Word is far away from being the right tool for writing a long 
document. Well, in the past I had some big big headaches.
 


Here some useful pdfs :

  1. mp-cb-en.pdf:  a first guide to commands;
  2. cont-enp.pdf:   The manual;
  3. metafun-p.pdf: a beautiful book on graphics.


   * mtexexec.pdf:  explain at least how to make pdf from your tex
 document;
   * mtexfont.pdf:   how to install new fonts;
   * mtexutil.pdf:sometimes I need it to make some works.


You can find them starting from
http://mirror.contextgarden.net/document-1.htm


luigi

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Re: [NTG-context] text backgrounds in bTABLE...

[h h extern]

Martin Kolarík wrote:


I have problem with the background of some text inisde bTABLE cell. The
input file is in my case some common XML, so inside table cell various
paragraph elements appear. That is why I cannot simple set up background for
cell itself.

The problem is that the background does not fit into cell as it is spread
over all text width.

The attached example contains corresponding TeX code -- a cell contains two
pars and one verbatim with background. And the background flows out of the
cell.


tricky case; maybe we need an extra option in tables; i'll look into it next 
week

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: bilingual texts in ConTeXt, modern_greek-english

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello,

there was an article about the greek module that is included in the
ConTeXt distribution in a recent MAPS issue. Willi Egger was so kind
to point me to it and to suggest to install the cbgreek fonts at
live.contextgarden.net. So now you can type in something like

\usemodule[greek] 
\starttext

\startgreek 
\tt\tfd 
p’anta http://contextgarden.net
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[NTG-context] Re: bilingual texts in ConTeXt, modern_greek-english

[Patrick Gundlach]

the apostrophe is wrong, but I have no idea if this is correct:

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Re: [NTG-context] s-pre-19: page numbers?

[David Munger]

Christopher Creutzig :
> Christopher Creutzig wrote:
> > Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> > 
> >> Is this not the same problem as the one that was mentioned last
> >> week (the one that requires the core-lst.tex that Hans posted
> >> as attachment)?
> 
>   As a short term measure, I have included
> 
> \def\linklisttoelement#1#2#3#4#5% % list location format page data
>{\gotonextinternal\currentlist{#2}{#4}{#5}}
> 
> into my document and got the menu I wanted – no spurious numbers any 
> more and the hyperlinks do work.  YMMV.
> 
> 
>   Technical discussion (probably should go to the dev-list):

Indeed I've already mentioned this in the dev-list, but there was no
follow-up.

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20050419.193933.63c4f706.html

I had the same questions.

Regards,

David

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