Re: [NTG-context] Nested Macro

2012-09-07 Thread Hans Hagen

On 7-9-2012 07:42, Troy Henderson wrote:

The \newtoks works great.  Can values be assigned to tokens directly
instead of appending?  Obviously one way it to use \newtoks followed by
\appendtoks, but once a token has already been defined, can its content be
overwritten?


\newtoks\mytoks

\mytoks{xx}

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[NTG-context] Promotion of the ConTeXt IRC channel

2012-09-07 Thread Marco Patzer
Hi,

I was wandering if we should promote the ConTeXt IRC channel on the
contextgarden home page, e.g. underneath “Welcome to ConTeXt garden”
or “External Help”. The current page
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/IRC) is unlikely to be found by
anyone.

I think most questions should stay on the mailing list, since I
consider the mailing list almost as “the second ConTeXt manual” and
it can easily be searched, in contrast to IRC.

At the moment the channel is dead, which is probably due to the fact
that no one knows of its existence. But it might turn into a
valuable source of information, e.g. regarding installation problems
for which the mailing list might not be as suitable.


Marco

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Re: [NTG-context] Nested Macro

2012-09-07 Thread Troy Henderson

 \newtoks\mytoks

 \mytoks{xx}


Thanks!

Troy
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Re: [NTG-context] Promotion of the ConTeXt IRC channel

2012-09-07 Thread Troy Henderson
I'm certainly in #context regularly, although I agree that it does appear
dead most of the time.  I would like to see it as active as #latex.

Troy
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Re: [NTG-context] Promotion of the ConTeXt IRC channel

2012-09-07 Thread Sietse Brouwer
Marco wrote:
 I was wandering if we should promote the ConTeXt
 IRC channel on the contextgarden home page,

The purpose of a link on the front page would be to point
help-searchers at a useful resource --- if the resource is not yet
useful, there's no point in the link, I think. After all, people who
encounter an empty channel will simply turn around and leave it. But
if there are people there, (perhaps not always but usually at time
X,) it's a good idea, I think.

If your main intention is to increase the number of regulars, I think
canvassing on this mailing list will be a more effective strategy.
(Maybe organise a theme discussion once a month or so, and announce it here?)

Troy wrote:
 I'm certainly in #context regularly, although I agree that it does appear
 dead most of the time.  I would like to see it as active as #latex.

Do you know how many people there are that lurk on there (from time to time)?

Cheers,
Sietse
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Re: [NTG-context] Promotion of the ConTeXt IRC channel

2012-09-07 Thread Bill Meahan

On 09/07/2012 06:57 AM, Marco Patzer wrote:


At the moment the channel is dead, which is probably due to the fact
that no one knows of its existence. But it might turn into a
valuable source of information, e.g. regarding installation problems
for which the mailing list might not be as suitable.


After being on the internet since the early 1980's I can say with 
certainty if one person is having a particular problem others have or 
will have it, too. A searchable archive of answers (like a mailing list 
archive) is far more valuable than the ephemeral presence of any sort of 
IM channel.


IM channels are really helpful when an expert needs to walk someone 
through something or do interactive problem investigations in real-time, 
but answers, regardless of how unique they seem at the time, are best 
kept where others can find them because they *will* be needed again.


--
Bill Meahan
Westland, Michigan USA

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Re: [NTG-context] Promotion of the ConTeXt IRC channel

2012-09-07 Thread Marco Patzer
On 2012-09-07 Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.net wrote:

 After being on the internet since the early 1980's I can say with 
 certainty if one person is having a particular problem others have or 
 will have it, too. A searchable archive of answers (like a mailing list 
 archive) is far more valuable than the ephemeral presence of any sort of 
 IM channel.

I totally agree. If I get you right, you think that the IRC will
receive problem solutions that the mailing list will miss. That's a
valid point I had in mind, as well. With another channel the
information will be spread out even more, which might not be
desirable.

 IM channels are really helpful when an expert needs to walk someone 
 through something or do interactive problem investigations in real-time, 

That was the scenario I had in mind.

 but answers, regardless of how unique they seem at the time, are best 
 kept where others can find them because they *will* be needed again.

Cannot agree more.

Thanks for your opinion.


Marco

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[NTG-context] Interactive URL's and Acronyms

2012-09-07 Thread Markus Hubig
Hi @all,

how do I get clickable/interactiv URLs and acronyms. After reading
the manual I thought just setting 

| \setupinteraction
|   [state=start, color=black, contrastcolor=black, style=normal]
| \definesynonyms [acronym] [acronyms] [\infull]
| \setupsynonyms  [acronym] [criterium=all]

would be enough. But it's not... what I am missing here?

I'm using 

| ConTeXt  ver: 2012.09.06 23:03 MKIV  fmt: 2012.9.7  int: english/english

Cheers, Markus
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[NTG-context] Ugly Bibliography layout ...

2012-09-07 Thread Markus Hubig
Hi @all,

I'm writing my Bachelor thesis with ConTeXt and now I have a strage Problem
with the bibliography. I'm using a resend version on context and MKIV:

| ConTeXt  ver: 2012.09.06 23:03 MKIV  fmt: 2012.9.7  int: english/english

My layoutfile has these settings:

| \setupbibtex
|   [database={thesis}, sort=author]
| \setuppublications
|   [alternative=ams, numbering=short, refcommand=short]

You can have a look at the result here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2721576/ugly_bib_1.pdf

If I add this additional setup

| \setuppublicationlist
|   [samplesize={XX}]

I get this result: 
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2721576/ugly_bib_2.pdf

How do I get a nice biblist with the reverences aligned left and some space
between the reverences and the entry?

Cheers, Markus
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[NTG-context] Problem with codelistings and linenumbers

2012-09-07 Thread Markus Hubig
Hi @all,

I'm trying to put some codelistings into my ConTeXt file, but I don't get
line numbers. Im using a resend version of ConTeXt:

| ConTeXt  ver: 2012.09.06 23:03 MKIV  fmt: 2012.9.7  int: english/english

Here is the setup for my code environment:

| \definefloat [listing] [listings]
| \setupfloat  [listing] [topframe=on, bottomframe=on]
| \setupheadtext [listings=Quellcodelistings]
|
| \defineblank  [aroundcode] [medium]
| \definetyping [code]
| \setuptyping  [code]
|   [option=color, bodyfont=8.0pt, margin=yes,
|  before={\blank[aroundcode]\startlinenumbering},
|  after={\blank[aroundcode]\stoplinenumbering}]

And here is an example, how I use it. I place it into a floating environment
so I can have a nice Listion of my code sippets with \completelistoflistings.

| \placelisting [here] [lst:bb]
| {Beispiel eines bitbake Rezeptes (zlib_1.2.7.bb)}
| {\startcode
| SUMMARY = Zlib Compression Library
| DESCRIPTION = Zlib is a general-purpose, patent-free, lossless data \
| compression library which is used by many different programs.
| HOMEPAGE = http://zlib.net/;
| SECTION = libs
|
| LICENSE = Zlib
| LIC_FILES_CHKSUM = file://zlib.h;beginline=4;endline=23;md5=94d1b5a...
|
| SRC_URI = http://www.zlib.net/${BPN}-${PV}.tar.bz2 \
|file://remove.ldconfig.call.patch \
|
| SRC_URI[md5sum]= 2ab442d1691...
| SRC_URI[sha256sum] = 49e2e9658df...
|
| do_configure (){
| ./configure --prefix=${prefix} --shared --libdir=${libdir}
| }
|
| do_compile (){
| oe_runmake
| }
|
| do_install() {
| oe_runmake DESTDIR = ${D} install
| }
| \stopcode}

You can have a look at the result here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2721576/code.pdf

Besides the lack of the linenumbers you may notice the slightly bigger
space between the top line and the code and the bottom line and the code.

At the moment I'm adding the line numbers by hand ...

Cheers, Markus
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Re: [NTG-context] Interactive URL's and Acronyms

2012-09-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 07.09.2012 um 17:58 schrieb Markus Hubig mhu...@gmail.com:

 Hi @all,
 
 how do I get clickable/interactiv URLs and acronyms. After reading
 the manual I thought just setting 
 
 | \setupinteraction
 |   [state=start, color=black, contrastcolor=black, style=normal]
 | \definesynonyms [acronym] [acronyms] [\infull]
 | \setupsynonyms  [acronym] [criterium=all]
 
 would be enough. But it's not... what I am missing here?

There are different ways to create a hyperlink to a website, e.g.

\setupinteraction[state=start]

\useurl[NASA][http://www.nasa.gov]

\starttext

\from[NASA]

\goto{NASA}[url(http://www.nasa.gov)]

\stoptext

but I have no idea why you need hyperlinks for a synonym.

\setupinteraction[state=start]

\abbreviation{NASA}{National Aeronautics and Space Administration}

\starttext

\NASA

\infull{NASA}

\stoptext

BTW: Use another name to show the full text for your acronyms (e.g. 
\fullacronym) because \infull
is used to show the text of the predefined \abbreviation command.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Promotion of the ConTeXt IRC channel

2012-09-07 Thread Troy Henderson
I have bots running in #latex and #context that allows users to test LaTeX,
MetaPost, and ConTeXt code in real time and have a URL generated for the
output of their code (or a log file of the compilation process if their
code fails to compile).  I also keep logs of these rooms, and these logs
can be searchable.  I could easily make my logs available for the website
if it is deemed appropriate.

Troy
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Re: [NTG-context] Interactive URL's and Acronyms

2012-09-07 Thread Markus Hubig
On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 06:34:04PM +0200, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 Am 07.09.2012 um 17:58 schrieb Markus Hubig mhu...@gmail.com:
 
  how do I get clickable/interactiv URLs and acronyms. After reading
  the manual I thought just setting 
  
  | \setupinteraction
  |   [state=start, color=black, contrastcolor=black, style=normal]
  | \definesynonyms [acronym] [acronyms] [\infull]
  | \setupsynonyms  [acronym] [criterium=all]
  
  would be enough. But it's not... what I am missing here?
 
 There are different ways to create a hyperlink to a website, e.g.
 
 \setupinteraction[state=start]
 \useurl[NASA][http://www.nasa.gov]
 \starttext
 \from[NASA]
 \goto{NASA}[url(http://www.nasa.gov)]
 \stoptext

Ahh thanks \from[] is what I need!

 but I have no idea why you need hyperlinks for a synonym.

Because I have a \placelistofacronyms in the backmatter of my document
and it I click on a Acronym I wanna get there easily ...

 \setupinteraction[state=start]
 \abbreviation{NASA}{National Aeronautics and Space Administration}
 \starttext
 \NASA
 \infull{NASA}
 \stoptext

This dosen't work here ...

Thanks for your help, Markus
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Re: [NTG-context] Promotion of the ConTeXt IRC channel

2012-09-07 Thread Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz
hi Sietse,

there are normally about 5-10 users online regularly, including me and
Troy, but it would be nice to meet more users there, as a fast help is
easier accomplished via IRC then ML but right ML is nice for a
searchable help and as Marco said a secondary helpsystem...

That channel was designed as a meetingpoint and should have been handed
to ConTeXt by the owners but ConTeXt itself never asked for it and so
the topic is still there as an unofficial ConTeXt source, that helped me
many times :)

So I think your idea about a regularly discussion on there concerning a
special topic would be nice, but even having more users there and
helping ppl the fast chatway would even be better and nicer too and as I
can speak for me myself it is also nice to stay conected and build
friendships easier in IRC then ML... :)

Greetings

Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz

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[NTG-context] incomplete \iffalse in cont-yes.mkiv?

2012-09-07 Thread Alan Bowen
With the latest beta, I *sometimes* get the error message:

! Incomplete \iffalse; all text was ignored after line 95.


system   tex  error on line 4 in file
/Applications/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-yes.mkiv:
Incomplete \iffalse; all text was ignored after line 95 ...


 1 %D \module

 2 %D   [   file=cont-yes,

 3 %Dversion=2012.06.01,

 4   %D  title=\CONTEXT\ Miscellaneous Macros,

 5 %D   subtitle=Startup Stub,

 6 %D author=Hans Hagen,

 7 %D   date=\currentdate,

 8 %D  copyright={PRAGMA ADE \ \CONTEXT\ Development Team}]

 9 %C

10 %C This module is part of the \CONTEXT\ macro||package and is

11 %C therefore copyrighted by \PRAGMA. See mreadme.pdf for

12 %C details.

13

14 % At some point I will reconsider the \starttext .. \stoptext


inserted text

\fi

l.4 }



inserted text ...end


context.finishjob()


}



\luat_start_lua_code_indeed ...ua \zerocount {#1}}



l.86 \stopluacode

Alan
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