Re: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
On 2013–09–22 Marco Patzer wrote:
a couple of times the question came up¹²³ how to create more
intelligent referencing. There are already mechanisms in the core,
namely \somewhere and \atpage but they both have drawbacks.
\somewhere happily prints its text if the figure is placed on the
same double page. In fact, no text at all should be printed if the
figure is visible. Furthermore it's a little verbose to use unless
hidden in a custom macro. \atpage on the other hand doesn't hesitate
to print “see figure 1.2 at page 42” while you're on page 42.
I'm aware that automatic generation of reference text is problematic
since the text depends on the placement of floats which in turn
depends on the text which might result in oscillation. I'm not sure
how likely this is to occur in practice.
I don't know if there's interest in integrating such functionality
into the core. I attached some code, a new macro \smartref, which
takes the same arguments as \in.
\smartref{figure}[fig:somefigure]
- it prints the reference if it is on the same page
(e.g. Figure 1.2)
- it prints the reference and a customizable text if the reference
is on the next/previous page (e.g. Figure 1.2 on the previous page)
- it prints the reference and the page if the reference is further
away than one page (e.g. Figure 1.2 on page 42)
- it adapts to single-sided and double-sided layouts
I now merged the functionality of \about. The \smartref command
automatically refers to the section by number if it is available. If
the user turns off numbering, the sections are referred to by title.
I don't yet know if I do like it and how practical it is. It's an
experiment. For those interested, the code is on Github¹.
Marco
¹ https://github.com/mpfusion/context-smartref
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Re: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
On 2013–09–25 Otared Kavian wrote:
I have not yet tried it with references to maths formulas,
theorems, lemmas and such,
Me neither.
\ifsinglesided
\strc_references_do_relative_else\plusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!nextpage}}
{\strc_references_do_relative_else\minusone
The issues I noticed are the following:
1. Typesetting the file gives an error message when there is no
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
A typo:
\ifsinglesided
\strc_references_do_relative_else\plusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!nextpage}}
- {\strc_references_do_relative\minusone
+ {\strc_references_do_relative_else\minusone
2. In the above minimal example, when stating
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
then Test 2 and Test 3 do not result in the smart references
expected (they both result in « See figure 1 and figure 3. » while
Test 2 should give « See figure 1 and figure 3 on next page. »,
and Test 3 should result in « See figure 1 on previous page and
figure 3. »).
That's on purpose. If the graphic appears on the same double page,
it is visible and no further reference is printed. In traditional
typesetting a single page is rather insignificant. The reader is
always faced with double pages, never single pages.
Thanks again for sharing your module.
Well, it wasn't meant to be a module. I rather intended to start a
discussion and threw some code in to start with. If there's interest
I can make it a module.
Thanks for the feedback.
Marco
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Re: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
Hi Marco,
Thanks for your answer: indeed I was wrong about the issue I reported about
doublesided page numbering. The reason is that I use TeXShop (on a Mac) and the
PDF produced is shown in a single page layout (it is however possible to have
doublesided layout as well: that's what I tested after your answer.
Also after applying your patch everything works as expected. I tested your file
with some maths formulas and changed even the language to French with:
\unprotect
\setuplabeltext
[\s!fr]
[\v!atpage=page\nobreakspace, %% “at page” sounds weird
\v!previouspage=à la page précédente,
\v!nextpage=à la page suivante]
\protect
\mainlanguage[fr]
without any problem. So your macro is just wonderful!
However maybe it would be better to have some setup options like:
\setuplabeltext[smartref][atpage={page},
previouspage={à la page précédente}, %or {page
précédente}
nextpage={à la page suivante}] %or {page suivante}
In case Hans is willing to add such capabilities to the cross referencing, it
would be great if one could setup the cross references in the same way by
saying for instance
\setupreferencing[alternative=smartref]
and then have \smartref be defined automatically.
A final remark concerns the possibility to visualize the reference points when
one is in the process of proof reading: at least in maths, it is usual to have
dozens of reference points to formulas, lemmas, theorems, etc, and it is quite
useful to be able to visualize such things. For instance I use a quick and
dirty macro to print in the margin « eq:Fermat » to the right of the following
formula
\placeformula[eq:Fermat]
\startformula
a,b,c \in {\Bbb N}^*, \quad n \geq 3, \quad a^n + b^n = c^n \imply abc = 0.
\stopformula
when I am preparing a paper. I do the same with references to lemmas and
theorems, but I print them in the margin to the left of the reference point.
For now, mkiv does not support such things and it's a pity.
Best regards: OK
On 25 sept. 2013, at 09:29, Marco Patzer li...@homerow.info wrote:
On 2013–09–25 Otared Kavian wrote:
I have not yet tried it with references to maths formulas,
theorems, lemmas and such,
Me neither.
\ifsinglesided
\strc_references_do_relative_else\plusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!nextpage}}
{\strc_references_do_relative_else\minusone
The issues I noticed are the following:
1. Typesetting the file gives an error message when there is no
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
A typo:
\ifsinglesided
\strc_references_do_relative_else\plusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!nextpage}}
- {\strc_references_do_relative\minusone
+ {\strc_references_do_relative_else\minusone
2. In the above minimal example, when stating
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
then Test 2 and Test 3 do not result in the smart references
expected (they both result in « See figure 1 and figure 3. » while
Test 2 should give « See figure 1 and figure 3 on next page. »,
and Test 3 should result in « See figure 1 on previous page and
figure 3. »).
That's on purpose. If the graphic appears on the same double page,
it is visible and no further reference is printed. In traditional
typesetting a single page is rather insignificant. The reader is
always faced with double pages, never single pages.
Thanks again for sharing your module.
Well, it wasn't meant to be a module. I rather intended to start a
discussion and threw some code in to start with. If there's interest
I can make it a module.
Thanks for the feedback.
Marco
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Re: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
On 23 Sep 2013, at 09:57 , Marco Patzer li...@homerow.info wrote:
Subject: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
a couple of times the question came up??? how to create more
intelligent referencing.
[….]
I don't know if there's interest in integrating such functionality
into the core. I attached some code, a new macro \smartref, which
takes the same arguments as \in.
Hi Marco,
I would be very interested in being able to use this macro, integrated or not,
since in my project there are numerous figures with lots of references to them
throughout the entire text, and \at{page}[] is not satisfactory for me.
I tried the code you supplied by pasting the whole lot into a TeXShop-file,
and, when that did not work, in Alphax, processing the latter from Terminal,
but in both cases I received an error message that I do not know what to do
with. Strangely enough it complains about an error in line 1 even if that
contains a commented out comment.
I reproduce the error message here, hoping that you, or somebody elsm, can see
what I did wrong.
(I apologize on behalf of TeXShop and Alhax for the length of this message.)
Thanks in advance for any help.
Robert Blackstone
Error message:
Last login: Tue Sep 24 09:02:03 on ttys000
sh: /Users/robertblackstone/context/tex/setuptex: No such file or directory
iMac-Bergen-R-5:context-minimal-24-09 robertblackstone$ .
/Users/robertblackstone/context-minimal-24-09/tex/setuptex
Setting /Users/robertblackstone/context-minimal-24-09/tex as ConTeXt root.
iMac-Bergen-R-5:context-minimal-24-09 robertblackstone$ context
/Users/robertblackstone/Dropbox/C-tests/Referencing-Smart_referencing/Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1.tex
mtx-context | run 1: luatex
--fmt=/Users/robertblackstone/context-minimal-24-09/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luatex/cont-en
--jobname=Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1
--lua=/Users/robertblackstone/context-minimal-24-09/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luatex/cont-en.lui
--no-parse-first-line --c:currentrun=1
--c:fulljobname=/Users/robertblackstone/Dropbox/C-tests/Referencing-Smart_referencing/Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1.tex
--c:input=/Users/robertblackstone/Dropbox/C-tests/Referencing-Smart_referencing/Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1.tex
--c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=8 cont-yes.mkiv
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.76.0-2013040508 (rev 4627)
\write18 enabled.
(/Users/robertblackstone/context-minimal-24-09/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-yes.mkiv
ConTeXt ver: 2013.09.21 13:53 MKIV beta fmt: 2013.9.24 int: english/english
system 'cont-new.mkiv' loaded
(/Users/robertblackstone/context-minimal-24-09/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv)
system files jobname 'Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1', input
'/Users/robertblackstone/Dropbox/C-tests/Referencing-Smart_referencing/Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1',
result 'Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1'
fontslatin modern fonts are not preloaded
languageslanguage 'en' is active
(/Users/robertblackstone/Dropbox/C-tests/Referencing-Smart_referencing/Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1.tex
! Parameters must be numbered consecutively.
system tex error on line 1 in file
/Users/robertblackstone/Dropbox/C-tests/Referencing-Smart_referencing/Referencing-Smart_referencing-test1.tex:
Parameters must be numbered consecutively ...
1 \unprotect
2 \unexpanded\def\strc_references_smart
3 {\strc_references_start_goto
4 \let\currentreferencecontent\currentreferencedefault
5 \strc_references_pickup_smart_goto}
6 \def\strc_references_pickup_smart_goto
7 {\dodoublegroupempty\strc_references_pickup_goto_smart_indeed}
8 \starttexdefinition strc_references_pickup_goto_smart_indeed
#left#right#dummy[#label]
9 \leftreferencetoks
10 \iffirstargument
11 {#left}
to be read again
l
l.1 ...ferences_pickup_goto_smart_indeed\endcsname#l
eft#right#dummy[#label]
\ctxcommand #1i-\directlua {commands.#1}
\syst_helpers_start_tex_definition_two ...n(#1)}
{#2}
l.32 \stoptexdefinition
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Re: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
On 24 Sep 2013, at 19:43 , Marco Patzer li...@homerow.infol wrote: On 2013?09?24 Robert Blackstone wrote: I reproduce the error message here, hoping that you, or somebody elsm, can see what I did wrong. I used mkvi style macros. Either place the following into the first line %% macros=mkvi or change the file extension to mkvi. Marco That did the trick. Thank you very much. This is a very useful addition to the ConTeXt toolkit, imho. Best regards, Robert Blackstone ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
Hi Marco,
Your macro is a wonderful help to have smart references: I have not yet tried
it with references to maths formulas, theorems, lemmas and such, but Iguess it
should work as well.
In order to help you nail down some small issues, here is how I used your
module: I put the file you sent
conditionalfloatreferences.mkvi
in a folder (i.e. a directory) and then in a TeX file I put the following (not
so) minimal example excerpted from your file
%%% begin smartref-test.tex
\usemodule[conditionalfloatreferences]
\useMPlibrary [dum]
%\setuppagenumbering [alternative=singlesided]
\setuppagenumbering [alternative=doublesided]
\starttext
{\bf Test 1:}
See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\page
{\bf Test 2:}
See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\startplacefigure [reference=fig:alpha] \externalfigure \stopplacefigure
\startplacefigure [reference=fig:beta] \externalfigure \stopplacefigure
\page
{\bf Test 3:}
See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\startplacefigure [reference=fig:gamma] \externalfigure \stopplacefigure
\startplacefigure [reference=fig:delta] \externalfigure \stopplacefigure
\page
{\bf Test 4:}
See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\page
{\bf Test 5:}
See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\stoptext
%%% end smartref-test.tex
The issues I noticed are the following:
1. Typesetting the file gives an error message when there is no
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
Actually it typesets if one ignores the error message (but some issues like the
ones below remain).
2. In the above minimal example, when stating
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
then Test 2 and Test 3 do not result in the smart references expected (they
both result in « See figure 1 and figure 3. » while Test 2 should give « See
figure 1 and figure 3 on next page. », and Test 3 should result in « See figure
1 on previous page and figure 3. »).
Thanks again for sharing your module.
Best regards: OK
On 22 sept. 2013, at 23:02, Marco Patzer li...@homerow.info wrote:
Hi,
a couple of times the question came up¹²³ how to create more
intelligent referencing. There are already mechanisms in the core,
namely \somewhere and \atpage but they both have drawbacks.
\somewhere happily prints its text if the figure is placed on the
same double page. In fact, no text at all should be printed if the
figure is visible. Furthermore it's a little verbose to use unless
hidden in a custom macro. \atpage on the other hand doesn't hesitate
to print “see figure 1.2 at page 42” while you're on page 42.
I'm aware that automatic generation of reference text is problematic
since the text depends on the placement of floats which in turn
depends on the text which might result in oscillation. I'm not sure
how likely this is to occur in practice.
I don't know if there's interest in integrating such functionality
into the core. I attached some code, a new macro \smartref, which
takes the same arguments as \in.
\smartref{figure}[fig:somefigure]
- it prints the reference if it is on the same page
(e.g. Figure 1.2)
- it prints the reference and a customizable text if the reference
is on the next/previous page (e.g. Figure 1.2 on the previous page)
- it prints the reference and the page if the reference is further
away than one page (e.g. Figure 1.2 on page 42)
- it adapts to single-sided and double-sided layouts
Marco
¹ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/65295
² http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/59455
³ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/76001
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Re: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
On 9/22/2013 11:02 PM, Marco Patzer wrote:
Hi,
a couple of times the question came up¹²³ how to create more
intelligent referencing. There are already mechanisms in the core,
namely \somewhere and \atpage but they both have drawbacks.
\somewhere happily prints its text if the figure is placed on the
same double page. In fact, no text at all should be printed if the
figure is visible. Furthermore it's a little verbose to use unless
hidden in a custom macro. \atpage on the other hand doesn't hesitate
to print “see figure 1.2 at page 42” while you're on page 42.
Just wondering .. did you look at \atpage? there is some info available
about reference locations
I'm aware that automatic generation of reference text is problematic
since the text depends on the placement of floats which in turn
depends on the text which might result in oscillation. I'm not sure
how likely this is to occur in practice.
I don't know if there's interest in integrating such functionality
into the core. I attached some code, a new macro \smartref, which
takes the same arguments as \in.
\smartref{figure}[fig:somefigure]
- it prints the reference if it is on the same page
(e.g. Figure 1.2)
- it prints the reference and a customizable text if the reference
is on the next/previous page (e.g. Figure 1.2 on the previous page)
- it prints the reference and the page if the reference is further
away than one page (e.g. Figure 1.2 on page 42)
- it adapts to single-sided and double-sided layouts
Marco
¹ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/65295
² http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/59455
³ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/76001
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Re: [NTG-context] Conditional float references
On 2013–09–23 Hans Hagen wrote: a couple of times the question came up¹²³ how to create more intelligent referencing. There are already mechanisms in the core, namely \somewhere and \atpage but they both have drawbacks. \somewhere happily prints its text if the figure is placed on the same double page. In fact, no text at all should be printed if the figure is visible. Furthermore it's a little verbose to use unless hidden in a custom macro. \atpage on the other hand doesn't hesitate to print “see figure 1.2 at page 42” while you're on page 42. Just wondering .. did you look at \atpage? I did, indeed. there is some info available about reference locations \atpage basically just calls \strc_references_by_reference_page_state which only provides three states: current page, before of after the current page. This is not flexible enough, e.g. it does not take short distances into account (next/previous page), which is nice to have but not required. More important is that it's not aware of the concept of double pages. So the reader is presented with “as we show above” even if the graphic is visible on the double page. Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Conditional float references
Hi,
a couple of times the question came up¹²³ how to create more
intelligent referencing. There are already mechanisms in the core,
namely \somewhere and \atpage but they both have drawbacks.
\somewhere happily prints its text if the figure is placed on the
same double page. In fact, no text at all should be printed if the
figure is visible. Furthermore it's a little verbose to use unless
hidden in a custom macro. \atpage on the other hand doesn't hesitate
to print “see figure 1.2 at page 42” while you're on page 42.
I'm aware that automatic generation of reference text is problematic
since the text depends on the placement of floats which in turn
depends on the text which might result in oscillation. I'm not sure
how likely this is to occur in practice.
I don't know if there's interest in integrating such functionality
into the core. I attached some code, a new macro \smartref, which
takes the same arguments as \in.
\smartref{figure}[fig:somefigure]
- it prints the reference if it is on the same page
(e.g. Figure 1.2)
- it prints the reference and a customizable text if the reference
is on the next/previous page (e.g. Figure 1.2 on the previous page)
- it prints the reference and the page if the reference is further
away than one page (e.g. Figure 1.2 on page 42)
- it adapts to single-sided and double-sided layouts
Marco
¹ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/65295
² http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/59455
³ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/76001
\unprotect
\unexpanded\def\strc_references_smart
{\strc_references_start_goto
\let\currentreferencecontent\currentreferencedefault
\strc_references_pickup_smart_goto}
\def\strc_references_pickup_smart_goto
{\dodoublegroupempty\strc_references_pickup_goto_smart_indeed}
\starttexdefinition strc_references_pickup_goto_smart_indeed
#left#right#dummy[#label]
\leftreferencetoks
\iffirstargument
{#left}
\else
\defaultleftreferencetoks
\let\leftofreferencecontent\empty
\fi
\rightreferencetoks
\ifsecondargument
{#right}
\else
\defaultrightreferencetoks
\let\rightofreferencecontent\empty
\fi
\doifreferencefoundelse{#label}
{\goto{\referencesequence}[#label]
\strc_references_check_visibility
\ifreferenceisvisible\else
\space\strc_references_smart_string
\fi}
{\let\currentreferencecontent\dummyreference
\goto{\referencesequence}[#label]}
\strc_references_stop_goto
\stoptexdefinition
\newif\ifreferenceisvisible \referenceisvisiblefalse
\starttexdefinition strc_references_check_visibility
\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!atpage\currentreferencepage}
\referenceisvisiblefalse
\ifnum\referencepagestate=\plusone %% 1 = reference on current page
\referenceisvisibletrue
\else
\ifsinglesided
\strc_references_do_relative_else\plusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!nextpage}}
{\strc_references_do_relative\minusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!previouspage}}{}}
\else
\ifodd\realpageno
\strc_references_do_relative_else\minusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!previouspage}
\referenceisvisibletrue}
{\strc_references_do_relative_else\plusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!nextpage}}{}}
\else
\strc_references_do_relative_else\minusone
{\def\strc_references_smart_string{\labeltext\v!previouspage}}
{\strc_references_do_relative_else\plusone
\referenceisvisibletrue{}}
\fi
\fi
\fi
\stoptexdefinition
\starttexdefinition strc_references_do_relative_else #relativepagenumber
\ifnum\currentreferencerealpage=\numexpr\realpageno+#relativepagenumber\relax
\expandafter\firstoftwoarguments
\else
\expandafter\secondoftwoarguments
\fi
\stoptexdefinition
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See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\page See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\startplacefigure [reference=fig:alpha] \externalfigure \stopplacefigure
\startplacefigure [reference=fig:beta] \externalfigure \stopplacefigure
\page See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\startplacefigure [reference=fig:gamma] \externalfigure \stopplacefigure
\startplacefigure [reference=fig:delta] \externalfigure \stopplacefigure
\page See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and \smartref{figure}[fig:gamma].
\page See \smartref{figure}[fig:alpha] and
