Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Hello Andy, On 05/27/2012 04:41 PM, Andy Thomas wrote: Hello Jano, On May 26, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Jano Kula wrote: Hello Andy, Side notes set ragged left (rigth justyfied) on left pages are quite difficult to read, I would make them ragged right (left justified) on all pages and. I guess you want to say [...] it would [not] break the overall design at all ;) I like the look of ragged outer when just looking at a double page from far. It does make reading more difficult. I still cannot decide. In the end legibility should be more important, so ragged right is better like you said. Sure, I wanted to say: "it would not break the overall design at all" :) Just wondering, why is Optima-Regular embeded so many times? We wanted to have a sans serif font for the viewgraphs that matches the Palatino (orig. 1948). So we went for Optima (1952-1955 and also from Hermann Zapf). Wikipedia says "Optima's capitals (like Palatino's) are directly derived from the classic Roman monumental capital model [...]". I think, it does look good together. We also wanted a TeX Gyre font as main font, so that it is available on every system. Of course a good choice, but I meant something different. When I have a look at the Properties of the document in the Adobe Reader or just list the fonts with "pdffonts" command on linux, then Optima-Regular is listed 141 times. Figure labels use sans serif, so I'm wondering why so many times the font is included. Jano ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Hello Jano, On May 26, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Jano Kula wrote: > Hello Andy, > > On 05/23/2012 04:09 PM, Andy Thomas wrote: >> I finished a first version of a tufte style sample document that is based on >> a predecessor in another macro language. The auto alignment of the marginals >> has to be improved, but the rest looks already quite decent. >> >> Please see: >> https://pub.uni-bielefeld.de/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordOId=2303165&fileOId=2303168 >> >> for a full sample document. > > Nice work! Decent and nice design, good typesetting, I assume some hand work > which of course cannot be avoided to make the result pleasing. > thank you for the positive feedback. The example thesis has a lot of hand work. However, in the end I would like to have something that looks 95% instead of 100%, but fully automatic. Then, I could output the same text in different output formats (book, handouts for every chapter, e-reader, ...), tweaking every file would cost too much time. > Just two remarks to the layout. Figure descriptions set in to the block > (narrow column) produces too large spaces in the lines often. Ragged text > would suit it better, I think. Seven Thesis were made, so far, and everyone plays a little with the overall design to see how things look when tweaked a little. But justified is not ideal, I agree. > > Side notes set ragged left (rigth justyfied) on left pages are quite > difficult to read, I would make them ragged right (left justified) on all > pages and. I guess you want to say [...] it would [not] break the overall design at all ;) I like the look of ragged outer when just looking at a double page from far. It does make reading more difficult. I still cannot decide. In the end legibility should be more important, so ragged right is better like you said. > > Just wondering, why is Optima-Regular embeded so many times? We wanted to have a sans serif font for the viewgraphs that matches the Palatino (orig. 1948). So we went for Optima (1952-1955 and also from Hermann Zapf). Wikipedia says "Optima's capitals (like Palatino's) are directly derived from the classic Roman monumental capital model [...]". I think, it does look good together. We also wanted a TeX Gyre font as main font, so that it is available on every system. > > Regards, > > Jano Aditya Mahajan contextified the github sources. It might be good to download the new stuff. Thanks for the help. Andy > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Hello Andy, On 05/23/2012 04:09 PM, Andy Thomas wrote: I finished a first version of a tufte style sample document that is based on a predecessor in another macro language. The auto alignment of the marginals has to be improved, but the rest looks already quite decent. Please see: https://pub.uni-bielefeld.de/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordOId=2303165&fileOId=2303168 for a full sample document. Nice work! Decent and nice design, good typesetting, I assume some hand work which of course cannot be avoided to make the result pleasing. Just two remarks to the layout. Figure descriptions set in to the block (narrow column) produces too large spaces in the lines often. Ragged text would suit it better, I think. Side notes set ragged left (rigth justyfied) on left pages are quite difficult to read, I would make them ragged right (left justified) on all pages and it would break the overall design at all. Just wondering, why is Optima-Regular embeded so many times? Regards, Jano ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
I finished a first version of a tufte style sample document that is based on a predecessor in another macro language. The auto alignment of the marginals has to be improved, but the rest looks already quite decent. Please see: https://pub.uni-bielefeld.de/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordOId=2303165&fileOId=2303168 for a full sample document. Simpler example code and the module is on github: https://github.com/andythomas/TeX-sidenotes/tree/master/context Cheers, Andy Am 2012-04-22 um 18:30 schrieb Yue Wang: > There are many styles available on the context-garden site > (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Sample_documents) which are really > helpful to help newcomers to learn how to define styles in context. > Wouldn't it be great to add tufte's and bringhurst's as extra > examples? Of course - just do it. Greetlings, Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@??? / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Am 2012-04-22 um 18:30 schrieb Yue Wang: There are many styles available on the context-garden site (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Sample_documents) which are really helpful to help newcomers to learn how to define styles in context. Wouldn't it be great to add tufte's and bringhurst's as extra examples? Of course - just do it. Greetlings, Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
There are many styles available on the context-garden site
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Sample_documents) which are really
helpful to help newcomers to learn how to define styles in context.
Wouldn't it be great to add tufte's and bringhurst's as extra
examples?
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Wolfgang Schuster
wrote:
>
> Am 22.04.2012 um 09:33 schrieb S Barmeier:
>
>> On 04/22/2012 04:16 PM, Yue Wang wrote:
>>> Dear powerful ConTeXt users:
>>>
>>> Is there some way to do tufte style side notes? I googled and did
>>> found Wolfgang's solution
>>>
>> (http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20110906.202722.f501f115.en.html)
>>> but it's just too simple and cannot be used for production. Side notes
>>> will cluttered or fall out of pages.
>>>
>>> LaTeX does provide a good solution for this style. I am wondering if
>>> this is possible to do in context.
>>>
>>> I am also curious to know simple way to do multiple float style in
>>> ConTeXt (like graphics spanning text and margin and many others).
>>>
>>> Yue Wang
>>
>> Well, I am no powerful ConTeXt user, but \inmargin and derivatives
>> (\inouter \ininner \inright \inleft) have an option stack=yes to avoid
>> overlapping and stack=continue to avoid ... overlapping. As I understand
>> it, the former is for shorter margin notes, the latter for use with
>> paragraph-sized notes.
>>
>> There is also \startmarginblock ... \stopmarginblock and it exceed my
>> ConTeXt user powers to be able to tell you the difference. My guess is,
>> that this type of margin note is a block, which maybe enjoys features of
>> textblocks...? But I, too, would be interested to understand the
>> difference in any detail.
>>
>> I also use margin notes extensively (or at least hope the final version
>> of my document will be able to), but as of now, there seems to be no way
>> to float margin notes to the top/bottom of the page and no way to
>> prevent longer notes, attached to a line near the bottom of a page, to
>> exceed the margin and be typeset even beyond the page boundaries...
>> (Forgive me, if I'm wrong).
>
> All of the mechanisms are added at different times in the process to make
> from text a page.
>
> Margindata (\inmargin etc.) is added to the line where you have it in your
> and doesn’t move from this position but you prevent overlapping of two
> different texts in the line with “stack=yes”.
>
> Marginblocks are added after ConTeXt has finished the entire page.
>
> As you can see in the example below it’s possible to have text
> at different levels on the same position.
>
> \setupmarginblock[color=green]
>
> \setupnote [footnote][location=none]
> \setupnotation[footnote][color=blue]
>
> \setuptexttexts
> [margin]
> []
> [{\framed[frame=off,height=\textheight,width=broad,offset=none,align=high]{\placenotes[footnote][before=]}}]
>
> \starttext
>
> \inright[color=red]{Paragraph 1}
>
> \input knuth\footnote{Footnote 1}
>
> \startmarginblock
> \input ward
> \stopmarginblock
>
> \inright[color=red]{Paragraph 2}
>
> \input knuth
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Am 2012-04-22 um 13:13 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: - footnotes appear doubled in margin and in footer, even with "location=none" in both setups I noticed this and this does also happen with \endnotes etc. - numbering is by document (at least not by page, if I setup "way=bypage") Did you use \setupnotation to change the counter setting? \setupnotation[footnote][way=bypage] No, sorry, I had it in \setupnote like before; it works in \setupnotation, thank you. Greetlings, Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Am 22.04.2012 um 11:55 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Thank you for the example, I need the same, and my setup worked some months
> before, but ConTeXt (latest beta) seems broken in that regard:
>
> - footnotes appear doubled in margin and in footer, even with "location=none"
> in both setups
I noticed this and this does also happen with \endnotes etc.
> - numbering is by document (at least not by page, if I setup "way=bypage")
Did you use \setupnotation to change the counter setting?
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bypage]
\starttext
\dorecurse{10}{\input knuth\footnote{Footnote \recurselevel}\par}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Am 2012-04-22 um 10:17 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
All of the mechanisms are added at different times in the process to
make from text a page.
Margindata (\inmargin etc.) is added to the line where you have it
in your
and doesn’t move from this position but you prevent overlapping of two
different texts in the line with “stack=yes”.
Marginblocks are added after ConTeXt has finished the entire page.
As you can see in the example below it’s possible to have text
at different levels on the same position.
\setupmarginblock[color=green]
\setupnote[footnote][location=none]
\setupnotation[footnote][color=blue]
\setuptexttexts
[margin]
[]
[{\framed[frame=off,height=
\textheight,width=broad,offset=none,align=high]{\placenotes[footnote]
[before=]}}]
\starttext
\inright[color=red]{Paragraph 1}
\input knuth\footnote{Footnote 1}
\startmarginblock
\input ward
\stopmarginblock
\inright[color=red]{Paragraph 2}
\input knuth
\stoptext
Thank you for the example, I need the same, and my setup worked some
months before, but ConTeXt (latest beta) seems broken in that regard:
- footnotes appear doubled in margin and in footer, even with
"location=none" in both setups
- numbering is by document (at least not by page, if I setup
"way=bypage")
Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Am 22.04.2012 um 09:33 schrieb S Barmeier:
> On 04/22/2012 04:16 PM, Yue Wang wrote:
>> Dear powerful ConTeXt users:
>>
>> Is there some way to do tufte style side notes? I googled and did
>> found Wolfgang's solution
>>
> (http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20110906.202722.f501f115.en.html)
>> but it's just too simple and cannot be used for production. Side notes
>> will cluttered or fall out of pages.
>>
>> LaTeX does provide a good solution for this style. I am wondering if
>> this is possible to do in context.
>>
>> I am also curious to know simple way to do multiple float style in
>> ConTeXt (like graphics spanning text and margin and many others).
>>
>> Yue Wang
>
> Well, I am no powerful ConTeXt user, but \inmargin and derivatives
> (\inouter \ininner \inright \inleft) have an option stack=yes to avoid
> overlapping and stack=continue to avoid ... overlapping. As I understand
> it, the former is for shorter margin notes, the latter for use with
> paragraph-sized notes.
>
> There is also \startmarginblock ... \stopmarginblock and it exceed my
> ConTeXt user powers to be able to tell you the difference. My guess is,
> that this type of margin note is a block, which maybe enjoys features of
> textblocks...? But I, too, would be interested to understand the
> difference in any detail.
>
> I also use margin notes extensively (or at least hope the final version
> of my document will be able to), but as of now, there seems to be no way
> to float margin notes to the top/bottom of the page and no way to
> prevent longer notes, attached to a line near the bottom of a page, to
> exceed the margin and be typeset even beyond the page boundaries...
> (Forgive me, if I'm wrong).
All of the mechanisms are added at different times in the process to make from
text a page.
Margindata (\inmargin etc.) is added to the line where you have it in your
and doesn’t move from this position but you prevent overlapping of two
different texts in the line with “stack=yes”.
Marginblocks are added after ConTeXt has finished the entire page.
As you can see in the example below it’s possible to have text
at different levels on the same position.
\setupmarginblock[color=green]
\setupnote[footnote][location=none]
\setupnotation[footnote][color=blue]
\setuptexttexts
[margin]
[]
[{\framed[frame=off,height=\textheight,width=broad,offset=none,align=high]{\placenotes[footnote][before=]}}]
\starttext
\inright[color=red]{Paragraph 1}
\input knuth\footnote{Footnote 1}
\startmarginblock
\input ward
\stopmarginblock
\inright[color=red]{Paragraph 2}
\input knuth
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
On 04/22/2012 04:16 PM, Yue Wang wrote: > Dear powerful ConTeXt users: > > Is there some way to do tufte style side notes? I googled and did > found Wolfgang's solution > (http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20110906.202722.f501f115.en.html) > but it's just too simple and cannot be used for production. Side notes > will cluttered or fall out of pages. > > LaTeX does provide a good solution for this style. I am wondering if > this is possible to do in context. > > I am also curious to know simple way to do multiple float style in > ConTeXt (like graphics spanning text and margin and many others). > > Yue Wang Well, I am no powerful ConTeXt user, but \inmargin and derivatives (\inouter \ininner \inright \inleft) have an option stack=yes to avoid overlapping and stack=continue to avoid ... overlapping. As I understand it, the former is for shorter margin notes, the latter for use with paragraph-sized notes. There is also \startmarginblock ... \stopmarginblock and it exceed my ConTeXt user powers to be able to tell you the difference. My guess is, that this type of margin note is a block, which maybe enjoys features of textblocks...? But I, too, would be interested to understand the difference in any detail. I also use margin notes extensively (or at least hope the final version of my document will be able to), but as of now, there seems to be no way to float margin notes to the top/bottom of the page and no way to prevent longer notes, attached to a line near the bottom of a page, to exceed the margin and be typeset even beyond the page boundaries... (Forgive me, if I'm wrong). Severin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Is there some easy way to do tufte-style side note?
Dear powerful ConTeXt users: Is there some way to do tufte style side notes? I googled and did found Wolfgang's solution (http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20110906.202722.f501f115.en.html) but it's just too simple and cannot be used for production. Side notes will cluttered or fall out of pages. LaTeX does provide a good solution for this style. I am wondering if this is possible to do in context. I am also curious to know simple way to do multiple float style in ConTeXt (like graphics spanning text and margin and many others). Yue Wang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
