Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
On 23.05.2011 23:47, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
As to the question "why strings": Pontus's answer named one important aspect. I have several .bib files which contain
nothing but string definitions: one with abbreviated, one with full journal titles; one with English strings
("reprint," "Munich") and one with the German equivalent ("Nachdruck," "München").
Including the right file(s) will then provide the desired output.
That sounds quite reasonable. I haven't thought of that yet, as I
haven't written a lot of bibliographies and they were all in English.
If I have for example mybib.bib, en.bib and de.bib, how would I tell
ConTeXt that it should use mybib.bib as database and en.bib for string
replacement?
\setupbibtex[database={mybib.bib,en.bib}]
?
Stefan
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Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
On May 23, 2011, at 11:32 PM, John Haltiwanger wrote:
> I hope my question does not come off as too aggressive, but why on earth are
> we still using BibTeX? Or, more accurately, when can we _stop_ using BibTeX
> and move onto something that has native UTF-8 support and can also integrate
> with a reasonable configuration environment such as CSL?
>
> What is the next step for bibliographies in Context? Surely we won't be
> chained to BibTeX (which has seemingly been largely been in practice for the
> sake of BibLaTeX) forever?
You do sound a bit impatient, but the answer is: bibtex is a beast, but
bibliographies is such an endless topic, there are so many permutations and
possibilities and options that "replacing bibtex" is easier said than done.
bibtex gets the job done, most of the time, and I've always heard that there
will be a "next big thing which will replace bibtex," but it never quite
happened. zotero's approach (a completely untransparent, complex and hence
fragile sql database) is a lot worse than bibtex.
As to the question "why strings": Pontus's answer named one important aspect. I
have several .bib files which contain nothing but string definitions: one with
abbreviated, one with full journal titles; one with English strings ("reprint,"
"Munich") and one with the German equivalent ("Nachdruck," "München").
Including the right file(s) will then provide the desired output.
Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
> What is the next step for bibliographies in Context? Surely we won't be > chained to BibTeX (which has seemingly been largely been in practice for the > sake of BibLaTeX) forever? Perhaps Biber (http://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/) could fill the void. It supports Unicode, is BibTeX compatible and has planned SQL and XML support in the future. I'm happy as long as the next de facto scientific standard for references will be open source and not something as horrible as RefWorks. Best, Otso Helenius ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
On Mon 23 May 2011, Stefan Müller wrote: > Okay, then I should definitely take a look at JabRef. Anyhow, maybe I'm > naive here, but I don't see a reason why Zotero should support BibTeX > Strings. If I type the BibTeX file manually, sure. But Zotero reads the > (e.g.) Journal names from the corresponding websites, so there should be > no need to replace those with abbreviations. Is it because I don't > understand BibTeX strings? I believe that one advantage is adding a level of indirection for journal naming: you can have, for example, one definition file which defines JISN as ‘Journal of Inconveniently Sesquepedalian Nomenclature’, and another defining it as ‘J. Inc. Ses. Nom.’, and switch between different definition files according to publisher requirements, space restrictions, and so on. Pont ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
I hope my question does not come off as too aggressive, but why on earth are we still using BibTeX? Or, more accurately, when can we _stop_ using BibTeX and move onto something that has native UTF-8 support and can also integrate with a reasonable configuration environment such as CSL? What is the next step for bibliographies in Context? Surely we won't be chained to BibTeX (which has seemingly been largely been in practice for the sake of BibLaTeX) forever? ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
Okay, then I should definitely take a look at JabRef. Anyhow, maybe I'm naive here, but I don't see a reason why Zotero should support BibTeX Strings. If I type the BibTeX file manually, sure. But Zotero reads the (e.g.) Journal names from the corresponding websites, so there should be no need to replace those with abbreviations. Is it because I don't understand BibTeX strings? Does JabRef offers synchronisation (e.g. WebDAV) between different machines? Stefan On 23.05.2011 23:00, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On May 23, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Stefan Müller wrote: +1 for Zotero I tried Mendeley some time ago. It's standalone but sill quite similar to Zotero. "Browser-integration" works via a special bookmark. It also has an embedded pdf-viewer, which is very neat. Reason for changing to Zotereo were some strange bibtex-export issues, where the bibtex file got messed up and had to be readjusted manually. I find Zotero useless for my work with ConTeXt. You cannot have cross-references within your bibliographic items, and it is impossible to have proper markup in bibliographical items. For me, both are absolute killer arguments; I cannot work with zotero. And the bibtex export sucks; important features such as bibtex strings are not supported. So I would actually recommend jabref if you need a cross-platform tool or bibdesk if you're using OS X exclusively. Regarding a system when you write your context files: I use Emacs, and I haven't seen anything more powerful or more convenient than reftex (which also works with context, after a few tweaks in your configuration file). Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
On May 23, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Stefan Müller wrote: > +1 for Zotero > > I tried Mendeley some time ago. It's standalone but sill quite similar to > Zotero. "Browser-integration" works via a special bookmark. It also has an > embedded pdf-viewer, which is very neat. Reason for changing to Zotereo were > some strange bibtex-export issues, where the bibtex file got messed up and > had to be readjusted manually. I find Zotero useless for my work with ConTeXt. You cannot have cross-references within your bibliographic items, and it is impossible to have proper markup in bibliographical items. For me, both are absolute killer arguments; I cannot work with zotero. And the bibtex export sucks; important features such as bibtex strings are not supported. So I would actually recommend jabref if you need a cross-platform tool or bibdesk if you're using OS X exclusively. Regarding a system when you write your context files: I use Emacs, and I haven't seen anything more powerful or more convenient than reftex (which also works with context, after a few tweaks in your configuration file). Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
On 22.05.2011 22:14, Otso Helenius wrote: using ConTeXt and not LaTeX you maybe also use a nice reference management software the main stream does not know about. But probably it is not related to ConTeXt at all since it is BibTeX in the end. I can warmly recommend Zotero. It works very well and can fetch content directly from web pages (also recognizes PubMed, ScienceDirect, Google Books etc. automatically). The best feature is automatic sync of content to either the Zotero server or your own. +1 for Zotero I tried Mendeley some time ago. It's standalone but sill quite similar to Zotero. "Browser-integration" works via a special bookmark. It also has an embedded pdf-viewer, which is very neat. Reason for changing to Zotereo were some strange bibtex-export issues, where the bibtex file got messed up and had to be readjusted manually. The Firefox plugin is nice, and now there is also an alpha standalone app in in development. The software is open source and in use in many universities worldwide. http://www.zotero.org/about/ Best, Otso Helenius ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
On Sat 21 May 2011, Paul Menzel wrote: > using ConTeXt and not LaTeX you maybe also use a nice reference > management software the main stream does not know about. But > probably it is not related to ConTeXt at all since it is BibTeX in > the end. As someone using stone-age reference management (i.e. a plain BibTeX file maintained by hand), I found the emacs snippet at the bottom of http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/RefTeX incredibly useful. If you have the cursor over a bibliography key, it lets you open the corresponding pdf (or ps, dvi, djvu etc.) with a single keystroke. I've tried JabRef, Referencer, Mendeley and various others but plain emacs (I don't use RefTeX) and that snippet still seem to work best for me. Pont ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
>using ConTeXt and not LaTeX you maybe also use a nice reference >management software the main stream does not know about. But probably it >is not related to ConTeXt at all since it is BibTeX in the end. I can warmly recommend Zotero. It works very well and can fetch content directly from web pages (also recognizes PubMed, ScienceDirect, Google Books etc. automatically). The best feature is automatic sync of content to either the Zotero server or your own. The Firefox plugin is nice, and now there is also an alpha standalone app in in development. The software is open source and in use in many universities worldwide. http://www.zotero.org/about/ Best, Otso Helenius ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
Hi Paul, I recently switched from "Papers" (Mac only, commercial) to JabRef. Advantages: JabRef is open source, and I can use it at work (Macs) and at home (Linux). I like it -- it has everything I need (searching PubMed etc., managing a collection of pdf-files...). Cheers, Jörg Quoting Paul Menzel : Dear ConTeXt folks, using ConTeXt and not LaTeX you maybe also use a nice reference management software the main stream does not know about. But probably it is not related to ConTeXt at all since it is BibTeX in the end. I found a comparison in Wikipedia [1] and consider to use JabRef. Thanks, Paul [1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
Dear ConTeXt folks, using ConTeXt and not LaTeX you maybe also use a nice reference management software the main stream does not know about. But probably it is not related to ConTeXt at all since it is BibTeX in the end. I found a comparison in Wikipedia [1] and consider to use JabRef. Thanks, Paul [1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
