Re: [NTG-context] bib module: multiple bibs and alphabetical order
Hi Idris, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: 1. Does t-bib now support multiple bibliographies? For past issues of the journal, I had to define a new bib-env file for each article that required a bibliography, otherwise the bibliography of, say, article two would include the bibliography for article one. Is there a general solution for this? I have uploaded a new beta for you. http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta/20051007.zip This beta should work with the example files you sent me, except that you have to delete the \input articleX.bbl lines. I'm not sure that your use of the project structure is correct, so I'm equally unsure that a definitive version should use the same solution as this beta, but for now it should be more or less ok. There is one bbl per article, but only one (global) list of references publications, so, for now, your bbl files need to define bib items with unique keys. I hope this is workable for now? On the project structure: I believe a project file should be pure virtual, so that: the components are the articles, the product is the journal issue, and the project is the journals entire lifespan. Such a structure would need a different solution from the one I have implemented now, so we may have to revisit this part of the module in a few weeks. Is that ok? 2. Can t-bib extract the references and place them in alphabetical order, or do I have to still organize my bbl files alphabetically by hand (I really hope not-)? Automatic alphabetizing bbl file data in the output has been one of my major wishes for t-bib. The current module cannot do this, because it is unfeasible to do sorting in TeX macros. I will investigate sorting through texutil or something similiar, but that will need more than a few days/weeks to implement, so definately will not be ready before tuesday. Btw, if you use bibtex, then you can do \setupbibtex[sort=title] because then bibtex does the sorting for me. :-) If the above two are solved I can use a single master bbl file for the entire journal instead of multiple files, thus streamlinig much of my workflow. In the new beta, also removed some spurious spaces in bibl-apa.tex that sometimes created blank lines, and I've added that definition of \noopsort for Giuseppe. Cheers, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] bib module: multiple bibs and alphabetical order
Hi Taco, Thnx for working on this! I am confused about a couple of things though... = Original Message From Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] = There is one bbl per article, but only one (global) list of references publications, so, for now, your bbl files need to define bib items with unique keys. I hope this is workable for now? In the examples I sent there was no global list. Are you saying that I need to 1. move my multiple bbl files into one global bbl file; 2. if one reference is used in more than one article, then that reference must be duplicated in the global bbl file but with a different key each time. That is, if [afghani60] is used in two articles, then I must do something like \startpublication[k=afghani60-i,... \startpublication[k=afghani60-ii,... in the global file. Is this right or am I not getting it?-) On the project structure: I believe a project file should be pure virtual, so that: the components are the articles, the product is the journal issue, and the project is the journals entire lifespan. Hmm, I have been treating each issue of the journal as a distinct project in itself. Maybe for the next volume I'll try the more abstract approach. But I don't understand how this issue affects the bib issue. Such a structure would need a different solution from the one I have implemented now, so we may have to revisit this part of the module in a few weeks. Is that ok? Ok, I appreciate all u've done up to now... 2. Can t-bib extract the references and place them in alphabetical order, or do I have to still organize my bbl files alphabetically by hand (I really hope not-)? Automatic alphabetizing bbl file data in the output has been one of my major wishes for t-bib. The current module cannot do this, because it is unfeasible to do sorting in TeX macros. I will investigate sorting through texutil or something similiar, but that will need more than a few days/weeks to implement, so definately will not be ready before tuesday. That's ok, I have to work on the next issue right after the immediate (late) issue-) Btw, if you use bibtex, then you can do \setupbibtex[sort=title] because then bibtex does the sorting for me. :-) Does this mean that I have to create a global .bib file instead of a global .bbl file? Do I have to go back to bibtex syntax? I have have been creating bbl files by hand upto now... By the way: I have been using mswincontext.zip as my stand-alone TeX installation, and no longer update fpTeX, etc. Since t-bib is a part of ConTeXt now, does it not make sense that BibTeX also be included, at least until it is no longer needed? I'll test things shortly: Thnx for all your help! Best Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] bib module: multiple bibs and alphabetical order
= Original Message From Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I have uploaded a new beta for you. http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta/20051007.zip Not Found The requested URL /bib/m-bib-beta/20051007.zip was not found on this server. -) Best Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] bib module: multiple bibs and alphabetical order
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: = Original Message From Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I have uploaded a new beta for you. http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta/20051007.zip Not Found The requested URL /bib/m-bib-beta/20051007.zip was not found on this server. oops .. wrong url. http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta-20051007.zip just run the files you sent me, and you will see what I meant That's assuming I have the url right this time :-/ Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] bib module: multiple bibs and alphabetical order
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Hi Taco, Thnx for working on this! I am confused about a couple of things though... There is one bbl per article, but only one (global) list of references publications, so, for now, your bbl files need to define bib items with unique keys. I hope this is workable for now? In the examples I sent there was no global list. Are you saying that I need to Is this right or am I not getting it?-) What I meant to say is that there is a single 'pubs' list that is shared by all the articles. This list is built up from the separate .bbl files, one per article, as before. The typesetting of the publicationlist now has \setuppublicationlist[criterium=local] and that is what ensures that only the citations within the current product are actually typeset. The one thing you have to watch out for is that when the different .bbl files define different entries that use identically named keys, then you are in trouble. Hmm, I have been treating each issue of the journal as a distinct project in itself. Maybe for the next volume I'll try the more abstract approach. But I don't understand how this issue affects the bib issue. You can simply not use project files at all, just products and components, and it will work (almost?) like it does now. Btw, if you use bibtex, then you can do \setupbibtex[sort=title] because then bibtex does the sorting for me. :-) Do I have to go back to bibtex syntax? Yes, and that's why it is not the best of ideas. Cheers, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] bib module: multiple bibs and alphabetical order
1. Does t-bib now support multiple bibliographies? For past issues of the journal, I had to define a new bib-env file for each article that required a bibliography, otherwise the bibliography of, say, article two would include the bibliography for article one. Is there a general solution for this? 2. Can t-bib extract the references and place them in alphabetical order, or do I have to still organize my bbl files alphabetically by hand (I really hope not-)? Automatic alphabetizing bbl file data in the output has been one of my major wishes for t-bib. If the above two are solved I can use a single master bbl file for the entire journal instead of multiple files, thus streamlinig much of my workflow. Best Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] bib module: multiple bibs
1. Does t-bib now support multiple bibliographies? For past issues of the journal, I had to define a new bib-env file for each article that required a bibliography, otherwise the bibliography of, say, article two would include the bibliography for article one. Is there a general solution for this? Just to be clear: What I had to do before was make duplicates of the bib module: m-bib2.tex, m-bib3.tex,..., m-bibn.tex, where n is the number of articles needing bibliographies. Then, for each m-bibn.tex, I replaced each [pubs] with another name like [pubst] (for m-bib2), [pubstt] (for m-bib3), [pubsttf] (for m-bib4), and so forth. (I don't know dutch, but I guessed that \definieerlijst[pubs] was the key list-governing macro-) This was the only way I could get multiple bibliographies in one document. Isn't that just insane?-) Best Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
