Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:43:58AM +0100, luigi scarso wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: may we can be package them in an otf format Right, OpenType can embed bitmap fonts (even TrueType could, if I'm not mistaken); true if the font is only available as PK, it should be possible to make it into an OpenType font, using FontForge, for example. I'm not sure maybe with mftrace http://lilypond.org/mftrace/ I would imagine one day luatex being able to read metafont fonts's, pass them through mplib to generate splines then through fontloader to build OpenType fonts out of it, so one can still use metafonts metaness with the complex layout feature of opentype and it vector fonts. But given how few metafont fonts is (and only one family is really a meta font), the effort seems not so worthy. Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
Is there a debug-switch which informs the user what and where luatex is searching? If you're working in a shell, try setting the KPATHSEA_DEBUG environment variable to -1, you will get tons of information about path lookups and directory searches. Arthur I thought luatex does not use kpathsearch anymore? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
Hallo Taco, Dumping a ready-made pk file in the local directory worked last time I tried it. No success! Neiter *.pk nor *.600pk and not with a local subdir /dpi600 What extension have you used? .600pk (but that was ages ago, when I still cared about pk fonts) so it would be nice, if a user could see (from a log) what and where luatex is searching. Isn't there any switch? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On 28-3-2010 15:39, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: Hallo Taco, Dumping a ready-made pk file in the local directory worked last time I tried it. No success! Neiter *.pk nor *.600pk and not with a local subdir /dpi600 What extension have you used? .600pk (but that was ages ago, when I still cared about pk fonts) so it would be nice, if a user could see (from a log) what and where luatex is searching. Isn't there any switch? --track=resolvers.locating,resolvers.detail - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
I thought luatex does not use kpathsearch anymore? You're right, Mark IV doesn't, so my piece of advice wasn't really useful, sorry :-) But it is still there in LuaTeX (the engine). Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
Hallo Hans, so it would be nice, if a user could see (from a log) what and where luatex is searching. Isn't there any switch? --track=resolvers.locating,resolvers.detail Hmm! luatex ignores this and luatex --help does not list an option named --track nor does it context. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] pk-directory
Hallo, I have it found! In chapter 4.1.1.10 of the luatex reference one can read: The argument name is a bit special in this case. Its form is base resdpi/fontname.actual respk Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On 28-3-2010 22:53, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: Hallo Hans, so it would be nice, if a user could see (from a log) what and where luatex is searching. Isn't there any switch? --track=resolvers.locating,resolvers.detail Hmm! luatex ignores this and luatex --help does not list an option named --track nor does it context. you need to run context --trackers=resolvers.locating,resolvers.detail yourfile ... - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On 28-3-2010 22:59, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: Hallo, I have it found! In chapter 4.1.1.10 of the luatex reference one can read: The argument name is a bit special in this case. Its form is base resdpi/fontname.actual respk well, i could turn 600dpi/manfnt.720pk into manfnt.720pk and then assume that it's present someplace (and indexed by luatools --generate) do you have files with such names? (it's then up to the user to make sure that those files are indeed generated and present but anyone who uses bitmaps is supposed to be able to do that) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
I have it found! In chapter 4.1.1.10 of the luatex reference one can read: The argument name is a bit special in this case. Its form is base resdpi/fontname.actual respk well, i could turn 600dpi/manfnt.720pk into manfnt.720pk No, no! That makes sense this way. -- Never change a running system -- Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On 27-3-2010 0:45, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: Hallo, how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? Context mkiv does not support pk files (the luatex executable itself does, but context mkiv overrules all search paths and does not support searching for pk files). the find and read callbacks are set so it should find them, although there might be logic in kpse with respect to pk files that is not implemented (like generating bitmaps or so) i wonder if it's really worth the trouble to support bitmap fonts in mkiv as hardly anyone will use them Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 27-3-2010 0:45, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: Hallo, how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? Context mkiv does not support pk files (the luatex executable itself does, but context mkiv overrules all search paths and does not support searching for pk files). the find and read callbacks are set so it should find them, although there might be logic in kpse with respect to pk files that is not implemented (like generating bitmaps or so) i wonder if it's really worth the trouble to support bitmap fonts in mkiv as hardly anyone will use them may we can be package them in an otf format -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
may we can be package them in an otf format Right, OpenType can embed bitmap fonts (even TrueType could, if I'm not mistaken); if the font is only available as PK, it should be possible to make it into an OpenType font, using FontForge, for example. That being said, I realize that it means Metafont fonts can't be used in Mark IV, am I right? Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: may we can be package them in an otf format Right, OpenType can embed bitmap fonts (even TrueType could, if I'm not mistaken); true if the font is only available as PK, it should be possible to make it into an OpenType font, using FontForge, for example. I'm not sure maybe with mftrace http://lilypond.org/mftrace/ From ff site Different font formats FontForge supports Type1, truetype, opentype, cff, type42, cid-keyed and svg fonts, also bdf and NFNT for bitmaps FontForge will sort-of accept metafont files (essentially it runs metafont and autotraces the result). It won't produce .mf files That being said, I realize that it means Metafont fonts can't be used in Mark IV, am I right? true --- for now. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: may we can be package them in an otf format Right, OpenType can embed bitmap fonts (even TrueType could, if I'm not mistaken); if the font is only available as PK, it should be possible to make it into an OpenType font, using FontForge, for example. The chance of this working is minimal. For certain, I have never tested bitmapped opentype fonts, and I also am sure that subsetting won't work at all. Also, I am even less interested in bitmapped opentype fonts than I am in pk files. That being said, I realize that it means Metafont fonts can't be used in Mark IV, am I right? Dumping a ready-made pk file in the local directory worked last time I tried it. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On 27 Mar 2010 at 12:00, ntg-context-requ...@ntg.nl wrote: That being said, I realize that it means Metafont fonts can't be used in Mark IV, am I right? Dumping a ready-made pk file in the local directory worked last time I tried it. No success! Neiter *.pk nor *.600pk and not with a local subdir /dpi600 What extension have you used? Is there a debug-switch which informs the user what and where luatex is searching? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
Is there a debug-switch which informs the user what and where luatex is searching? If you're working in a shell, try setting the KPATHSEA_DEBUG environment variable to -1, you will get tons of information about path lookups and directory searches. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Hartmut Henkel hartmut_hen...@gmx.de wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: On 26 Mar 2010 at 22:09, Hartmut Henkel wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Hans Hagen wrote: On 26-3-2010 21:30, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? i'm not so sure if luatex does pk fonts (i havent't included pk fonts in 15 years) it does, with the default kpathsea paths, e. g.: This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032122 (rev 3515) (./xx.tex [1] ) /home/hahe/.texlive2009/texmf-var/fonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm/cm r10.600pk This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032122 (rev 3515) (./xx.tex [1] ) /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/fonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm/d pi600/cmr10.pk I have tried both variants but nothing works. I use the minimals under windows. What can I do (examine files, logs) to solve the problem? sorry, i can't help. (Plain) luatex (as of TeX Live) would work, but the minimals seem not to contain plain luatex (which is a pity), and context does some automatism which includes Type0C fonts instead of pk. hm there is a plain minimals-beta/tex/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex and in minimals-beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/generic/context # luatex --ini luatex-plain.tex # luatex --fmt=luatex-plain.fmt luatex-test.tex works with some errors about font path (I believe we need some fontmap files from texlive) -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: On 27 Mar 2010 at 12:00, ntg-context-requ...@ntg.nl wrote: That being said, I realize that it means Metafont fonts can't be used in Mark IV, am I right? Dumping a ready-made pk file in the local directory worked last time I tried it. No success! Neiter *.pk nor *.600pk and not with a local subdir /dpi600 What extension have you used? .600pk (but that was ages ago, when I still cared about pk fonts) Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:36:22AM +0100, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: may we can be package them in an otf format Right, OpenType can embed bitmap fonts (even TrueType could, if I'm not mistaken); if the font is only available as PK, it should be possible to make it into an OpenType font, using FontForge, for example. No, neither OpenType or TrueType support bitmap-only, they can embed bitmaps besides the regular outlines (X11 have there own OpenType bitmap-only format, but it isn't a standard). Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] pk-directory
Hallo, how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On 26-3-2010 21:30, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: Hallo, how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? i'm not so sure if luatex does pk fonts (i havent't included pk fonts in 15 years) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Hans Hagen wrote: On 26-3-2010 21:30, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? i'm not so sure if luatex does pk fonts (i havent't included pk fonts in 15 years) it does, with the default kpathsea paths, e. g.: h...@hahepc1:~$ luatex xx This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032122 (rev 3515) (./xx.tex [1] ) /home/hahe/.texlive2009/texmf-var/fonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm/cm r10.600pk Output written on xx.pdf (1 page, 3242 bytes). Transcript written on xx.log. or This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032122 (rev 3515) (./xx.tex [1] ) /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/fonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm/d pi600/cmr10.pk Output written on xx.pdf (1 page, 3242 bytes). Transcript written on xx.log. Regards, Hartmut ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On 26 Mar 2010 at 22:09, Hartmut Henkel wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Hans Hagen wrote: On 26-3-2010 21:30, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? i'm not so sure if luatex does pk fonts (i havent't included pk fonts in 15 years) it does, with the default kpathsea paths, e. g.: h...@hahepc1:~$ luatex xx This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032122 (rev 3515) (./xx.tex [1] ) /home/hahe/.texlive2009/texmf-var/fonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm/cm r10.600pk Output written on xx.pdf (1 page, 3242 bytes). Transcript written on xx.log. or This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032122 (rev 3515) (./xx.tex [1] ) /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/fonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm/d pi600/cmr10.pk Output written on xx.pdf (1 page, 3242 bytes). Transcript written on xx.log. Regards, Hartmut Hello Hartmut, hallo Hans, I have tried both variants but nothing works. I use the minimals under windows. What can I do (examine files, logs) to solve the problem? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: On 26 Mar 2010 at 22:09, Hartmut Henkel wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Hans Hagen wrote: On 26-3-2010 21:30, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? i'm not so sure if luatex does pk fonts (i havent't included pk fonts in 15 years) it does, with the default kpathsea paths, e. g.: This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032122 (rev 3515) (./xx.tex [1] ) /home/hahe/.texlive2009/texmf-var/fonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm/cm r10.600pk This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010032122 (rev 3515) (./xx.tex [1] ) /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/fonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm/d pi600/cmr10.pk I have tried both variants but nothing works. I use the minimals under windows. What can I do (examine files, logs) to solve the problem? sorry, i can't help. (Plain) luatex (as of TeX Live) would work, but the minimals seem not to contain plain luatex (which is a pity), and context does some automatism which includes Type0C fonts instead of pk. Regards, Hartmut ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pk-directory
Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: Hallo, how should the directory be named where a 600 dpi pk-font is searched for by luatex? Context mkiv does not support pk files (the luatex executable itself does, but context mkiv overrules all search paths and does not support searching for pk files). Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
