Re: [NTG-context] Smallcaps not working with a font that claims to have it - how can I confirm? SOLVED

[Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context]

Found it from an old email of Wolfgang's in the archive - not sure why I didn't 
see it before.

Solution is to use:

\definefontfeature[latin-smallcaps][smallcaps][script=latn]
\definefontsynonym [Squar] [name:SquarishSansCT-Regular] 
[features=latin-smallcaps]

instead of the first two lines in my example below.

> On 20 Sep 2021, at 10:53, Bruce Horrocks  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to use smallcaps with a font called SquarishSansCT.
> 
> According to mtxrun it has smcp as a feature...
> 
> $ mtxrun --script font --list --info --pattern=squar
> [...]
> mtx-fonts   | gsub features:
> mtx-fonts   |
> mtx-fonts   |   feature  script   languages
> mtx-fonts   |
> mtx-fonts   |   c2sc grek dflt
> mtx-fonts   |latn dflt
> mtx-fonts   |   smcp grek dflt
> mtx-fonts   |latn dflt
> mtx-fonts   |
> 
> ...but I can't seem to get that feature to work in this MWE which works for 
> TexGyreSchola.
> 
> \definefontfeature [smallcaps] [always] [smcp=yes]
> \definefontsynonym [Squar] [name:SquarishSansCT-Regular] [features=smallcaps]
> \definefontsynonym [Schola] [name:texgyreschola-regular] [features=smallcaps]
> 
> \definefont [chapterTitle] [Squar at 18pt]
> \definefont [anotherTitle] [Schola at 18pt]
> 
> \starttext
> {\chapterTitle A Chapter Title}
> \par
> {\anotherTitle A Chapter Title}
> \stoptext
> 
> Have I missed something or is it the font?
> —
> Bruce Horrocks
> Hampshire, UK
> 

—
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[NTG-context] Smallcaps not working with a font that claims to have it - how can I confirm?

[Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context]

I'm trying to use smallcaps with a font called SquarishSansCT.

According to mtxrun it has smcp as a feature...

$ mtxrun --script font --list --info --pattern=squar
[...]
mtx-fonts   | gsub features:
mtx-fonts   |
mtx-fonts   |   feature  script   languages
mtx-fonts   |
mtx-fonts   |   c2sc grek dflt
mtx-fonts   |latn dflt
mtx-fonts   |   smcp grek dflt
mtx-fonts   |latn dflt
mtx-fonts   |

...but I can't seem to get that feature to work in this MWE which works for 
TexGyreSchola.

\definefontfeature [smallcaps] [always] [smcp=yes]
\definefontsynonym [Squar] [name:SquarishSansCT-Regular] [features=smallcaps]
\definefontsynonym [Schola] [name:texgyreschola-regular] [features=smallcaps]

\definefont [chapterTitle] [Squar at 18pt]
\definefont [anotherTitle] [Schola at 18pt]

\starttext
{\chapterTitle A Chapter Title}
\par
{\anotherTitle A Chapter Title}
\stoptext

Have I missed something or is it the font?
—
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, UK

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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Meer, Hans van der 
29. Juni 2016 um 11:26
Thanks.

For those who are curious as to how I became confused about the 
uppercase-lowercase for smallcaps: look at session "803 Typography and 
Fonts" in Apple's WWDC2016 conference, just after 23 minutes and you 
will understand.
The following two tables contain the content of the relevant slides 
where he explains the effects from smcp (create small caps from 
lowercase letters) and c2sc (create small caps from uppercase letters).


\definefontfeature[f:smcp][smcp=yes]
\definefontfeature[f:c2sc][c2sc=yes]

\setupbodyfont[pagella]

\starttext

\subject{Small Caps from Uppercase}

\starttabulate[|l|lf{\feature[+][f:c2sc]}|]
\NC SAN FRANCISCO \NC SAN FRANCISCO \NC\NR
\NC San Francisco \NC San Francisco \NC\NR
\NC san francisco \NC san francisco \NC\NR
\stoptabulate

\subject{Small Caps from Lowercase}

\starttabulate[|l|lf{\feature[+][f:smcp]}|]
\NC SAN FRANCISCO \NC SAN FRANCISCO \NC\NR
\NC San Francisco \NC San Francisco \NC\NR
\NC san francisco \NC san francisco \NC\NR
\stoptabulate

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps

[Alan Bowen]

Hans—

Try “ABC {\sc abc}”.

Alan

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:05 AM, dr. Hans van der Meer 
wrote:

> I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps
> would turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between
> them except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something
> wrong here?
>
> Hans van der Meer
>
> Minimal example and output:
>
> \setuppapersize[A5][A5]
> \starttext
> \setupbodyfont[lmodern]
> lmodern: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
> \setupbodyfont[cambria]
> cambria: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
> \LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf
> \ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf
> \stoptext
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps

[Wolfgang Schuster]

dr. Hans van der Meer 
29. Juni 2016 um 12:39

The above issue being solved, I guess there is something else in my 
setup not being as it should be.

Because the code:

\starttext
\setupbodyfont[lucidaot]
{\sc abc}
\stoptext

Does give me abc in smallcaps, but placing the \setupbodyfont before 
the \starttext surprisingly does not.


\setupbodyfont[lucidaot]
\starttext
{\sc abc}
\stoptext

Changing the lucidaot call for cambria or lmodern gives the expected 
coorect behaviour.
So I guess there is something amiss with how I did setup the lucida 
font in my system.
I bought the lucida opentype font and installed my TeX trees as 
follows. The split between the ConTeXt directory and the one for my 
local files facilitates downloading new beta versions.


~home\TeX\texmf\
fonts
opentype
bh
lucidaot
LucidaBlackletterOT.otf .. LucidaSansTypewriterOT.otf
tex
context
user (my own modules)

~home\Applications\TeX-programs\
context
tex
link to the above texmf
further as downloaded from the beta

Strange thing furthermore is that changing the name of the 
lucidaot-directory in the texmf-tree does not seem to make any 
difference, not in any case when I execute "mtxrun --script font 
--reload --force" and afterwards "mtxrun --script context --make".


So I guess there are some things I did not right. Can that be spotted 
from the information given here?
The typescript for Lucida Bright OT doesn’t set a font (or applies the 
smallcaps feature) to the \sc font switch.


To get small capitals you can now activate the "smcp" or "c2sc" features 
or you create your own typeface (the \definefontfamily command always 
sets a font for the \sc switch).


\definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][rm][Lucida Bright OT]
\definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][ss][Lucida Sans OT]
\definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][tt][Lucida Sans Typewriter OT]
\definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][mm][Lucida Bright Math OT]

\setupbodyfont[lucidaopentype]

\starttext

{\rm\tf Upright, \it Italic, \bf Bold, \bi BoldItalic and \sc SmallCaps}

{\ss\tf Upright, \it Italic, \bf Bold, \bi BoldItalic and \sc SmallCaps}

{\tt\tf Upright, \it Italic, \bf Bold, \bi BoldItalic and \sc SmallCaps}

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps

[dr. Hans van der Meer]

> On 29 Jun 2016, at 10:05, dr. Hans van der Meer  wrote:
> 
> I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would 
> turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them 
> except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here?
> 
> Hans van der Meer
> 

The above issue being solved, I guess there is something else in my setup not 
being as it should be.
Because the code:

\starttext
\setupbodyfont[lucidaot]
{\sc abc}
\stoptext

Does give me abc in smallcaps, but placing the \setupbodyfont before the 
\starttext surprisingly does not.

\setupbodyfont[lucidaot]
\starttext
{\sc abc}
\stoptext

Changing the lucidaot call for cambria or lmodern gives the expected coorect 
behaviour.
So I guess there is something amiss with how I did setup the lucida font in my 
system.
I bought the lucida opentype font and installed my TeX trees as follows. The 
split between the ConTeXt directory and the one for my local files facilitates 
downloading new beta versions.

~home\TeX\texmf\
  fonts
opentype
  bh
lucidaot
  LucidaBlackletterOT.otf .. LucidaSansTypewriterOT.otf
  tex
context
  user (my own modules)

~home\Applications\TeX-programs\
context
  tex
link to the above texmf
further as downloaded from the beta

Strange thing furthermore is that changing the name of the lucidaot-directory 
in the texmf-tree does not seem to make any difference, not in any case when I 
execute "mtxrun --script font --reload --force" and afterwards "mtxrun --script 
context --make".

So I guess there are some things I did not right. Can that be spotted from the 
information given here?

Hans van der Meer


 

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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps

[Meer, Hans van der]

Thanks.

For those who are curious as to how I became confused about the 
uppercase-lowercase for smallcaps: look at session "803 Typography and Fonts" 
in Apple's WWDC2016 conference, just after 23 minutes and you will understand.

Hans van der Meer




On 29 Jun 2016, at 11:00, Wolfgang Schuster 
> wrote:

dr. Hans van der Meer

29. Juni 2016 um 10:05
I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would 
turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them 
except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here?

Hans van der Meer

Minimal example and output:

\setuppapersize[A5][A5]
\starttext
\setupbodyfont[lmodern]
lmodern: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
\setupbodyfont[cambria]
cambria: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
\LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf
\ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf
\stoptext
Smallcaps changes only the layout of lowercase letters but some fonts let you 
also change uppercase letters.

In the example below you can see how you can change uppercase and lowercase 
letter with the smcp and c2sc features.

\definefontfeature[f:smcp][smcp=yes]
\definefontfeature[f:c2sc][c2sc=yes]

\setupbodyfont[pagella]

\starttext

An easy and breezy Sunday morning.

{\feature[+][f:smcp]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.}

{\feature[+][f:c2sc]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.}

{\feature[+][f:c2sc,f:smcp]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.}

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps

[Wolfgang Schuster]

dr. Hans van der Meer 
29. Juni 2016 um 10:05
I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought 
smallcaps would turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no 
difference between them except a subtle difference in letterspacing. 
Am I doing something wrong here?


Hans van der Meer

Minimal example and output:

\setuppapersize[A5][A5]
\starttext
\setupbodyfont[lmodern]
lmodern: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
\setupbodyfont[cambria]
cambria: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
\LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf
\ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf
\stoptext
Smallcaps changes only the layout of lowercase letters but some fonts 
let you also change uppercase letters.


In the example below you can see how you can change uppercase and 
lowercase letter with the smcp and c2sc features.


\definefontfeature[f:smcp][smcp=yes]
\definefontfeature[f:c2sc][c2sc=yes]

\setupbodyfont[pagella]

\starttext

An easy and breezy Sunday morning.

{\feature[+][f:smcp]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.}

{\feature[+][f:c2sc]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.}

{\feature[+][f:c2sc,f:smcp]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.}

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps

[Mikael P. Sundqvist]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:05 AM, dr. Hans van der Meer
 wrote:
> I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would 
> turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them 
> except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here?
>
> Hans van der Meer
>
> Minimal example and output:
>
> \setuppapersize[A5][A5]
> \starttext
> \setupbodyfont[lmodern]
> lmodern: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
> \setupbodyfont[cambria]
> cambria: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
> \LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf
> \ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf
> \stoptext
>
>
>
>
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Hi!

I think \sc ABC should give ABC in full size as it does.

Try

\sc ABCabc

/Mikael
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[NTG-context] smallcaps

[dr. Hans van der Meer]

I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would 
turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them 
except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here?

Hans van der Meer

Minimal example and output:

\setuppapersize[A5][A5]
\starttext
\setupbodyfont[lmodern]
lmodern: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
\setupbodyfont[cambria]
cambria: uppercase  smallcaps\blank
\LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf
\ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf
\stoptext




smallcaps.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document



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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps with features in simplefont

[David Wooten]

Thank you Wolfgang, it’s all coming together.

On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 
 Am 01.07.2014 um 23:11 schrieb David Wooten d...@trichotomic.net:
 
 Greetings,
 
 I’ve been trying to work through a new font scheme using simplefonts, e.g. 
 in simple form something like this:
 
 \definefontfeature[main][protrusion=quality,expansion=quality,onums=yes]
 \definefontfamily[mainface][rm][Adobe Jenson Pro][features=main]
 \setupalign[hanging,hz]
 \setupbodyfont[mainface,13pt]
 
 In this setup, I do get protrusion  expansion in the text, —except when I 
 switch to {\sc small caps.}
 
 In your setup you disable ligatures etc., to keep them change the first two 
 lines to
 
 \definefontfeature[main][default][protrusion=quality,expansion=quality,onums=yes]
 \definefontfamily[mainface][rm][Adobe Jenson Pro][features=main]
 
 or
 
 \definefontfeature[main][protrusion=quality,expansion=quality,onums=yes]
 \definefontfamily[mainface][rm][Adobe Jenson Pro][features={default,main}]
 
 Do I need to declare the caps in some other way?
 
 Smallcaps use the regular where the “smallcaps” features are applied, to use 
 also your “main” features you have to use this setup:
 
 \definefontfamily[mainface][rm][Adobe Jenson 
 Pro][features={default,main},sc=features:{default,main,smallcaps}]
 
 Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] smallcaps with features in simplefont

[David Wooten]

Greetings,

I’ve been trying to work through a new font scheme using simplefonts, e.g. in 
simple form something like this:

\definefontfeature[main][protrusion=quality,expansion=quality,onums=yes]
\definefontfamily[mainface][rm][Adobe Jenson Pro][features=main]
\setupalign[hanging,hz]
\setupbodyfont[mainface,13pt]

In this setup, I do get protrusion  expansion in the text, —except when I 
switch to {\sc smallcaps.}

Do I need to declare the caps in some other way?

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[NTG-context] smallcaps surprise with latest minimal

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

I am not sure if this is also related to the latest beta problem?


But, however, with the latest minimal ...

This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.30.0-2008093012, build unknown
MtxRun | current version: 2008.10.01 11:08

... this test below gives smallcaps today!!

Steffen


\usetypescript[postscript]
\definetypeface[postscript][rm][serif][times]

\setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt]

\starttext

Test

\stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps surprise with latest minimal

[Hans Hagen]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am not sure if this is also related to the latest beta problem?
 
 
 But, however, with the latest minimal ...

fixed

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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps surprise with latest minimal

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 01.10.2008 um 18:58 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Hi,

 I am not sure if this is also related to the latest beta problem?


 But, however, with the latest minimal ...

 fixed

I get now with font fallback a error message about the undefined
command \parsefontspec in MkIV (used in font-col.tex) because
you defined it only in font-ini.mkii.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps surprise with latest minimal

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 01.10.2008 um 19:11 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:


 Am 01.10.2008 um 18:58 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Hi,

 I am not sure if this is also related to the latest beta problem?


 But, however, with the latest minimal ...

 fixed

 I get now with font fallback a error message about the undefined
 command \parsefontspec in MkIV (used in font-col.tex) because
 you defined it only in font-ini.mkii.

Here is a example:

\definefontfallback[whatever][Slanted][basiclatin][force=yes]

\definefontsynonym[SerifPlus][Serif][fallbacks=whatever]

\definefont[MySerif][SerifPlus at 10pt]

\starttext

\MySerif\input knuth

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps surprise with latest minimal

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 01.10.2008 um 19:11 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:


 Am 01.10.2008 um 18:58 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Hi,

 I am not sure if this is also related to the latest beta problem?


 But, however, with the latest minimal ...

 fixed

 I get now with font fallback a error message about the undefined
 command \parsefontspec in MkIV (used in font-col.tex) because
 you defined it only in font-ini.mkii.

Here is a example:

\definefontfallback[whatever][Slanted][basiclatin][force=yes]

\definefontsynonym[SerifPlus][Serif][fallbacks=whatever]

\definefont[MySerif][SerifPlus at 10pt]

\starttext

\MySerif\input knuth

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] smallcaps surprise with latest minimal

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 Am 01.10.2008 um 18:58 schrieb Hans Hagen:
 
 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Hi,

 I am not sure if this is also related to the latest beta problem?


 But, however, with the latest minimal ...
 fixed
 
 I get now with font fallback a error message about the undefined
 command \parsefontspec in MkIV (used in font-col.tex) because
 you defined it only in font-ini.mkii.

yeah, i ran into that too; solved already

Hans


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[NTG-context] SmallCaps for Bitstream Charter

[John R. Culleton]

It took a bit of searching but I found this package on ctan:
mdbch.zip

This is a math add-on that has both regular and bold small caps. Unzip it in 
texmf-local and then modify type-charter as needed. 
-- 
John Culleton
Able Indexing and Typesetting
Precision typesetting (tm) at reasonable cost.
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