Re: Scripted SQL Backups

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 26 Feb 2008 at 16:17, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:

> 
> I´ll admit I have _never_ used sql am not sure what to do here.
> 
> I have a slew of small DB´s I need to script a nightly full of to a directory 
> which gets 
> backed up to tape.
> 
> Can someone push me in the right direction, being that I don´t really know 
> anything 
> about SQL, I don´t know if the various points I am reading are 
> correct/optimal J
> 
> Thanks!
> jlc
> 
> 

If you don't need the databases 24*7, you could easily set up a Scheduled Task 
that ran a batch file that does the following:

NET STOP "SQL Server"
XCOPY \\path\to\dbs \\path\to\backup /m/i/s/c/h
NET START "SQL Server"

This would copy any altered files in the source dir to the target dir.

Might need to change "SQL Server" to the exact service(s) that your SQL-server-
of-choice uses.  ISTR having several services that needed to be stopped in a 
certain order when I was mangling a SQL server box a few years ago and the 
client wouldn't spring for the SQL-server modules for BackupExec.

HTH

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
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Re: Internet Restrictions

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 26 Feb 2008 at 13:12, Christopher J. Bosak  wrote:

> 
> I have a user that can´t play by the rules.
> Well... more than the others.
> He can only use one computer, and it´s for ordering parts and checking the 
> company 
> email. (Hosted off-site). I need a program that I can monitor remotely, that 
> can restrict 
> internet usage to "approved"sites, and that is low on the price. Any 
> suggestions are 
> appreciated. Thanks.

What's your corporate firewall?  I use IPCop and I could easily configure an 
IPCop box to restrict that user's computer.  It's by IP, not login, so other 
users of the same box would be affected.

I like the suggestions of the non-existent proxy.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 26 Feb 2008 at 14:27, John Cook  wrote:

> If a woman is hung she can make big $ on the internet!

http://www.google.com/search?q=hermaphrodyke

And the subject should be changed to "grandma question" since we're now talking 
about women with hair on their lips ...


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RE: EFS and decrypting files

[Greg Page]

I didn't know you could do this.

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: EFS and decrypting files

On 26 Feb 2008 at 11:49, Greg Page  wrote:

> Not with OWA, throught the list server itself. I've been off the board
> for a couple years and I guess things have changed regarding posting.
> Here's how I'm doing it right now: 
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/messages?id=676512

I didn't know you could do that.

> Next one I'll just respond to the e-mail in Outlook.

For chuckles and grins I just set a password for the online forums and tried
it 
out.  The "forum" interface to Lyris is really primitive for a webmail app.
It 
appears there is no automatic way to include the original text when you
reply.  
You would have to paste it in manually and prepend the "> " to each line 
(probably with manual hard-breaks).   Or you could reply using an offline 
client.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[gsweers]

I didn't know if anyone would remember that thread..hehehe

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

LOL

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I bet the server that failed was an HP with a faulty power supply.


-Original Message-
From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Maybe they can use the Dell servers from Walmart for power. I understand
they double as fuel rods :)

-Original Message-
From: Vincent Medina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Probably because they were running Dells from Walmart. :) He he he -
They
should have paid for faster support.

Come on I'm just kidding..

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I heard that a nuclear reactor south of Miami was shut down for safety
reasons.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Butts, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Butts
>
> Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology
&
> Systems Manager
>
> University of South Florida - Graduate School
>
> BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951
>
> Phone: 813-974-3586
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the
Carnegie
> Foundation
>
> USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities
>
>
>
> http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future
One
> Student at a Time
>
>
>
> Quotes to remember:
>
> This "telephone" has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered
as a
> means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876
>
> Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,
> Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899
>
> But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the
> microchip in 1968
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
> Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is
having
> issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some
> Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for
about 45
> mins.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this
afternoon,
> > with
> > power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy
weather
> > system
> > moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About
4.4
> > million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ---
> > |Beach Computers|
> > |Affordable Hosting Solutions   |
> > |http://www.beachcomp.com   |
> > ===
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> > and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise
confidential.
> > If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that
any
> > disclos

RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Martin Blackstone]

LOL

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I bet the server that failed was an HP with a faulty power supply.


-Original Message-
From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Maybe they can use the Dell servers from Walmart for power. I understand
they double as fuel rods :)

-Original Message-
From: Vincent Medina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Probably because they were running Dells from Walmart. :) He he he -
They
should have paid for faster support.

Come on I'm just kidding..

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I heard that a nuclear reactor south of Miami was shut down for safety
reasons.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Butts, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Butts
>
> Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology
&
> Systems Manager
>
> University of South Florida - Graduate School
>
> BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951
>
> Phone: 813-974-3586
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the
Carnegie
> Foundation
>
> USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities
>
>
>
> http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future
One
> Student at a Time
>
>
>
> Quotes to remember:
>
> This "telephone" has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered
as a
> means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876
>
> Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,
> Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899
>
> But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the
> microchip in 1968
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
> Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is
having
> issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some
> Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for
about 45
> mins.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this
afternoon,
> > with
> > power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy
weather
> > system
> > moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About
4.4
> > million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ---
> > |Beach Computers|
> > |Affordable Hosting Solutions   |
> > |http://www.beachcomp.com   |
> > ===
> > |Cheap Domain Warehouse |
> > |Get Your Own Dot!  |
> > |http://www.cheapdomainwarehouse.com|
> > --
> >
> > 
> > Disclaimer and confidentiality note:
> >
> > The contents of this communication are intended/meant only for
> > addressee(s)
> > and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise
confidential.
> > If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that
any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance
on
the
> > contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be
unlawful.
> > The contents of this e-mail shall not be forwarded to any third
party.
If
> > you have received this e

Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Vincent Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Small fire at a substation shutdown 4.4 million customers... That is BS!

  The 2003 blackout that knocked out most of the Northeast US is
attributed to some power lines contacting with some tree branches.
With the present US power grid, things are so interconnected that
cascade failures are disturbingly easy.

  Somewhat ironically, outages can be caused by too much power
availability.  Generated power output has to be roughly matched by
load, or things start to melt/explode.  If a generating plant finds it
suddenly has a much reduced load -- as when a substation goes offline
-- the whole plant may trip offline to prevent damage.

-- Ben

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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[gsweers]

I bet the server that failed was an HP with a faulty power supply.


-Original Message-
From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Maybe they can use the Dell servers from Walmart for power. I understand
they double as fuel rods :)

-Original Message-
From: Vincent Medina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Probably because they were running Dells from Walmart. :) He he he -
They
should have paid for faster support.

Come on I'm just kidding..

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I heard that a nuclear reactor south of Miami was shut down for safety
reasons.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Butts, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Butts
>
> Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology
&
> Systems Manager
>
> University of South Florida - Graduate School
>
> BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951
>
> Phone: 813-974-3586
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the
Carnegie
> Foundation
>
> USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities
>
>
>
> http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future
One
> Student at a Time
>
>
>
> Quotes to remember:
>
> This "telephone" has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered
as a
> means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876
>
> Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,
> Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899
>
> But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the
> microchip in 1968
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
> Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is
having
> issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some
> Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for
about 45
> mins.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this
afternoon,
> > with
> > power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy
weather
> > system
> > moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About
4.4
> > million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ---
> > |Beach Computers|
> > |Affordable Hosting Solutions   |
> > |http://www.beachcomp.com   |
> > ===
> > |Cheap Domain Warehouse |
> > |Get Your Own Dot!  |
> > |http://www.cheapdomainwarehouse.com|
> > --
> >
> > 
> > Disclaimer and confidentiality note:
> >
> > The contents of this communication are intended/meant only for
> > addressee(s)
> > and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise
confidential.
> > If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that
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on
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> > contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be
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If
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Re: Security boffins unveil BitUnlocker

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Also, full-disk encryption technologies that are embedded in the hardware
>>> of modern hard disks typically do not store keys in RAM. The user enters
>>> the PIN that's required to have the controller release the key.
>>
>>  The PIN would then pass through RAM.
>
>  If I put the machine into sleep/standby, there is no key in RAM, so there is 
> nothing to grab via this attack, unlike other technologies.

  The cipher key isn't in RAM, but when the PIN was entered it would
have been stored in RAM before the boot firmware handed it off to the
disk controller.  Since the PIN is used to tell the disk to unlock the
cipher key it's storing internally, the PIN is as good as the key.  So
if I can use the technique from the article to recover the PIN
carelessly left in RAM, I can unlock the hard disk.

  Now, as I said, it should be pretty easy to sanitize the RAM the PIN
is stored in, since you only need the PIN when you're unlocking the
hard drive at boot time.  That's in contrast to "software-based
whole-disk encryption", where the cipher key has to remain in RAM
pretty much any time the machine is running.

  I'm not just being pedantic; DoD/NISP security requirements really
do worry about this sort of thing.

  In terms of practical threat analysis:

  Depending on a short secret (PIN, password, etc.) to protect the
hard drive weakens the security provided by whole-disk encryption
considerably.  It doesn't matter if the disk is doing billion-bit
super-triple-AES encryption if the cipher key can be unlocked with a
PIN of "12345".  A cipher is only as strong as the mechanisms
protecting the key.  Given threats such as users picking weak
passwords, user writing their password down, and shoulder surfing, I'd
say you're better off using a two-factor scheme, even if it is
potentially vulnerable to this "RAM attack".  I'm thinking it's a lot
more likely an attacker will find a PIN on a Post-It Note than
successfully pull off this "RAM attack".

-- Ben

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RE: Scripted SQL Backups

[Salvador Manzo]

Interesting. On ours, I generally don't ever bother with the shrink.
I've never found it to actually save disk space, since the database
contents and log usages trends in exactly one direction (and it's not
down).  If the space is already allocated, I at least save a few I/Os
during operation.

 



From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Scripted SQL Backups

 

i use 2 scripts.

one backups all databases and logs to 2 files respectively and appends
to that file each night.

it then shrinks and truncates those files each night.

 

then one night a week, sunday niight, i run one more that does the same
thing, but it overwrites those files so i dont fill up the disk.

each night, i back up those backup files to tape.

 

if you want my .sql files and an explaination , contact me off list.

 



From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Scripted SQL Backups

I'll admit I have _never_ used sql am not sure what to do here.

 

I have a slew of small DB's I need to script a nightly full of to a
directory which gets backed up to tape.

 

Can someone push me in the right direction, being that I don't really
know anything about SQL, I don't know if the various points I am reading
are correct/optimal :-)

 

Thanks!
jlc

 

 
 
 

 

 

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RE: Scripted SQL Backups

[Michael Ross]

i use 2 scripts.
one backups all databases and logs to 2 files respectively and appends to
that file each night.
it then shrinks and truncates those files each night.
 
then one night a week, sunday niight, i run one more that does the same
thing, but it overwrites those files so i dont fill up the disk.
each night, i back up those backup files to tape.
 
if you want my .sql files and an explaination , contact me off list.

  _  

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Scripted SQL Backups



I'll admit I have _never_ used sql am not sure what to do here.

 

I have a slew of small DB's I need to script a nightly full of to a
directory which gets backed up to tape.

 

Can someone push me in the right direction, being that I don't really know
anything about SQL, I don't know if the various points I am reading are
correct/optimal J

 

Thanks!
jlc










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RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Ken Schaefer]

Well, SCOM or MOM - your choice. But you can have that automate requests for 
web pages, or open mailboxes, or make LDAP lookups, and roll up the reports for 
you.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

MOF is great on theory. I used it extensively.

I've just started using SCOM. It's early in my evaluation, but so far - it's
got holes. I'm figuring out (slowly) how best to fill them for my needs...

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCSE/Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

Microsoft's got MOF (Microsoft Operations Framework) and Ops Manager to make
this easier for you if you are a Microsoft shop. That takes away a lot of
the need to run base level diagnostic tools as that can all be done for you
via Ops Manager.

Unfortunately they don't have a CMDB product yet, so you'll still something
else that can hook in.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

I agree. It's one of the major reasons why I bought my juniors each a
personal copy of the book.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Michael B. Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I was responsible for a fairly large server farm, after patching I
ran
>  DCDIAG on the DCs and netdiag on all servers. I did parse the output of
the
>  utilities. I also had a complex script that tested the health of our DCs
>  from an LDAP perspective and all of the mail servers (with each protocol
-
>  POP, IMAP, RPC/HTTP, MAPI, HTTP) and web servers.
>
>  After 26 years, primarily in computer operations, I can say with some
>  authority that (in my experience) what most people screw up is change
>  management. They just don't do it. Don't understand it. Don't see the
value
>  in it.
>
>  Until it bites them in the rear.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Michael B. Smith
>  MCSE/Exchange MVP
>  http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Michael B. Smith]

MOF is great on theory. I used it extensively.

I've just started using SCOM. It's early in my evaluation, but so far - it's
got holes. I'm figuring out (slowly) how best to fill them for my needs...

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCSE/Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

Microsoft's got MOF (Microsoft Operations Framework) and Ops Manager to make
this easier for you if you are a Microsoft shop. That takes away a lot of
the need to run base level diagnostic tools as that can all be done for you
via Ops Manager.

Unfortunately they don't have a CMDB product yet, so you'll still something
else that can hook in.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

I agree. It's one of the major reasons why I bought my juniors each a
personal copy of the book.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Michael B. Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I was responsible for a fairly large server farm, after patching I
ran
>  DCDIAG on the DCs and netdiag on all servers. I did parse the output of
the
>  utilities. I also had a complex script that tested the health of our DCs
>  from an LDAP perspective and all of the mail servers (with each protocol
-
>  POP, IMAP, RPC/HTTP, MAPI, HTTP) and web servers.
>
>  After 26 years, primarily in computer operations, I can say with some
>  authority that (in my experience) what most people screw up is change
>  management. They just don't do it. Don't understand it. Don't see the
value
>  in it.
>
>  Until it bites them in the rear.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Michael B. Smith
>  MCSE/Exchange MVP
>  http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: Scripted SQL Backups

[Joseph L. Casale]

Sorry guys, long day... Its SQL 2000, so:

MS SQL 2000
Database Maintenance Plans
1. All Databases (this includes everything I would need in the event of 
a catastrophic failure and needed to rebuild the machine?)
2. No Optimizations
3. Check Integrity, include indexes, perform before backup
4. Backup db's as part of the plan with verify
5. Logs as well

I have put everything in one directory, does this sound sane?

Thanks!
jlc

> -Original Message-
> From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:34 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Scripted SQL Backups
>
> While those links will work with MSDE you don't need to - Enterprise
> Manager from the SQL Server 2000 CD will work.
>
> The reason why you need to manually create the T-SQL scripts and the
> scheduled tasks with SQL Express is it doesn't include the SQL Server
> Agent, while MSDE does.
>
> Salvador Manzo wrote:
> > SQLExpress (also applies to MSDE)
> > http://www.sqldbatips.com/showarticle.asp?ID=27
> > http://www.sqldbatips.com/showarticle.asp?ID=29
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Michael B. Smith]

Yeah, you do. 

 

Just because the DC reboots, is it serving requests through LDAP on all
interfaces? Or did one of those patches break multi-homed LDAP? (True story
- it happened.)

 

Just because the GC reboots, it is serving requests through LDAP and is the
NSPI interface initialized? (Without it, Exchange and older Outlook clients
won't work.)

 

Just because the exchange server reboots, did the IMAP service start? 

 

Is RPC/HTTP working? Is the store listening on port 6004? Can you open a
mailbox? Can you authenticate?

 

If a client can use it, you need to test it.

 

I read this somewhere today (and copied it into my "think about pad"):

 

Think differently about policy

If...it isn't built into process
you have to search for it
it isn't auto-enforced   it may as well not exist

Systems verify and enforce policy

 

I didn't write down the source (my bad). If you don't test for it - it's
going to fail on you, and you won't know it. There is nothing worse than a
client calling you to tell you that one of your systems are down and you
didn't already know it.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

 

.do you need to really check anything after patching and rebooting? I would
think if you're already monitoring all the services, shares, disk space,
event logs, data stores, etc then patch and reboot wouldn't require much
testing per se. For DC's you could even automate a DCDIAG on every restart
and have the results shot out, right?

 

This is a rose colored glasses look, but wondered if anyone actually pulls
this one off.

 

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 

 

 

 

 

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RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Ken Schaefer]

Microsoft's got MOF (Microsoft Operations Framework) and Ops Manager to make 
this easier for you if you are a Microsoft shop. That takes away a lot of the 
need to run base level diagnostic tools as that can all be done for you via Ops 
Manager.

Unfortunately they don't have a CMDB product yet, so you'll still something 
else that can hook in.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

I agree. It's one of the major reasons why I bought my juniors each a
personal copy of the book.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Michael B. Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I was responsible for a fairly large server farm, after patching I ran
>  DCDIAG on the DCs and netdiag on all servers. I did parse the output of the
>  utilities. I also had a complex script that tested the health of our DCs
>  from an LDAP perspective and all of the mail servers (with each protocol -
>  POP, IMAP, RPC/HTTP, MAPI, HTTP) and web servers.
>
>  After 26 years, primarily in computer operations, I can say with some
>  authority that (in my experience) what most people screw up is change
>  management. They just don't do it. Don't understand it. Don't see the value
>  in it.
>
>  Until it bites them in the rear.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Michael B. Smith
>  MCSE/Exchange MVP
>  http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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Re: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Kurt Buff]

I agree. It's one of the major reasons why I bought my juniors each a
personal copy of the book.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Michael B. Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I was responsible for a fairly large server farm, after patching I ran
>  DCDIAG on the DCs and netdiag on all servers. I did parse the output of the
>  utilities. I also had a complex script that tested the health of our DCs
>  from an LDAP perspective and all of the mail servers (with each protocol -
>  POP, IMAP, RPC/HTTP, MAPI, HTTP) and web servers.
>
>  After 26 years, primarily in computer operations, I can say with some
>  authority that (in my experience) what most people screw up is change
>  management. They just don't do it. Don't understand it. Don't see the value
>  in it.
>
>  Until it bites them in the rear.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Michael B. Smith
>  MCSE/Exchange MVP
>  http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:16 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>
>
> Subject: Re: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly
>
>  Chapter 18 of The Practice of System and Network Administration deals
>  with this very topic. This chapter starts with a checklist, in 14
>  steps, for upgrading (including patching) servers.
>
>  Chapter 17 is more fundamentally related as it deals with change
>  management, and chapters 20 and 22 are on Maintenance Windows and
>  Service Monitoring, respectively.
>
>  If you have a comprehensive monitoring infrastructure, then probably
>  not. However, I'll bet that you don't, *if* it's a custom app. And,
>  just because, using your example, you run a DCDIAG, doesn't mean
>  you've caught the problem - you will have to parse the report, or
>  automate parsing it, and get notified that something is wrong.
>
>  Kurt
>
>  On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:25 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > .do you need to really check anything after patching and rebooting? I
>  would
>  > think if you're already monitoring all the services, shares, disk space,
>  > event logs, data stores, etc then patch and reboot wouldn't require much
>  > testing per se. For DC's you could even automate a DCDIAG on every restart
>  > and have the results shot out, right?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > This is a rose colored glasses look, but wondered if anyone actually pulls
>  > this one off.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
>  >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
>  >  "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"
>
>
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RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Webster]

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly
> 
> They just don't do it. 
> Don't understand it. 
> Don't see the value in it.
> 
> Until it bites them in the rear.

Hey M, let's leave Shook's sex life out of this. :)


Web


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RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Michael B. Smith]

When I was responsible for a fairly large server farm, after patching I ran
DCDIAG on the DCs and netdiag on all servers. I did parse the output of the
utilities. I also had a complex script that tested the health of our DCs
from an LDAP perspective and all of the mail servers (with each protocol -
POP, IMAP, RPC/HTTP, MAPI, HTTP) and web servers.

After 26 years, primarily in computer operations, I can say with some
authority that (in my experience) what most people screw up is change
management. They just don't do it. Don't understand it. Don't see the value
in it.

Until it bites them in the rear.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCSE/Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

Chapter 18 of The Practice of System and Network Administration deals
with this very topic. This chapter starts with a checklist, in 14
steps, for upgrading (including patching) servers.

Chapter 17 is more fundamentally related as it deals with change
management, and chapters 20 and 22 are on Maintenance Windows and
Service Monitoring, respectively.

If you have a comprehensive monitoring infrastructure, then probably
not. However, I'll bet that you don't, *if* it's a custom app. And,
just because, using your example, you run a DCDIAG, doesn't mean
you've caught the problem - you will have to parse the report, or
automate parsing it, and get notified that something is wrong.

Kurt

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:25 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> .do you need to really check anything after patching and rebooting? I
would
> think if you're already monitoring all the services, shares, disk space,
> event logs, data stores, etc then patch and reboot wouldn't require much
> testing per se. For DC's you could even automate a DCDIAG on every restart
> and have the results shot out, right?
>
>
>
> This is a rose colored glasses look, but wondered if anyone actually pulls
> this one off.
>
>
>
> Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
>  "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"


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Re: Scripted SQL Backups

[Phil Brutsche]

While those links will work with MSDE you don't need to - Enterprise
Manager from the SQL Server 2000 CD will work.

The reason why you need to manually create the T-SQL scripts and the
scheduled tasks with SQL Express is it doesn't include the SQL Server
Agent, while MSDE does.

Salvador Manzo wrote:
> SQLExpress (also applies to MSDE)
> http://www.sqldbatips.com/showarticle.asp?ID=27
> http://www.sqldbatips.com/showarticle.asp?ID=29

-- 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Security boffins unveil BitUnlocker

[Ken Schaefer]

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Security boffins unveil BitUnlocker

> > Also, full-disk encryption technologies that are
> > embedded in the hardware of modern hard disks typically
> > do not store keys in RAM. The user enters the PIN
> > that's required to have the controller release the key.
>
>  The PIN would then pass through RAM.

That's not the point.

If I put the machine into sleep/standby, there is no key in RAM, so there is 
nothing to grab via this attack, unlike other technologies.

Cheers
Ken

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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Mike Semon]

Maybe they can use the Dell servers from Walmart for power. I understand
they double as fuel rods :)

-Original Message-
From: Vincent Medina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Probably because they were running Dells from Walmart. :) He he he - They
should have paid for faster support.

Come on I'm just kidding..

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I heard that a nuclear reactor south of Miami was shut down for safety
reasons.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Butts, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Butts
>
> Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology &
> Systems Manager
>
> University of South Florida - Graduate School
>
> BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951
>
> Phone: 813-974-3586
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the Carnegie
> Foundation
>
> USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities
>
>
>
> http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future One
> Student at a Time
>
>
>
> Quotes to remember:
>
> This "telephone" has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a
> means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876
>
> Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,
> Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899
>
> But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the
> microchip in 1968
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
> Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is
having
> issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some
> Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about 45
> mins.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon,
> > with
> > power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather
> > system
> > moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
> > million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
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Re: Scripted SQL Backups

[Salvador Manzo]

MS SQL 2000
Database Maintenance Plans

MS SQL 2005
Database Maintenance Wizard plus some custom SSIS tasks if you¹ll also be
doing differentials.  (Microsoft made this interface needlessly confusing,
IMO).


SQLExpress (also applies to MSDE)
http://www.sqldbatips.com/showarticle.asp?ID=27
http://www.sqldbatips.com/showarticle.asp?ID=29

MySQL
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/backup.html
http://www.devshed.com/c/a/MySQL/Backing-up-and-restoring-your-MySQL-Databas
e/


On 2/26/08 3:17 PM, "Joseph L. Casale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I¹ll admit I have _never_ used sql am not sure what to do here.
>  
> I have a slew of small DB¹s I need to script a nightly full of to a directory
> which gets backed up to tape.
>  
> Can someone push me in the right direction, being that I don¹t really know
> anything about SQL, I don¹t know if the various points I am reading are
> correct/optimal J
>  
> Thanks!
> jlc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

- 
Salvador Manzo  [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089  e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter
University of Southern California
818-612-5112
The injury which may possibly be done by defeating a few good laws, will be
amply compensated by the advantage of preventing a number of bad ones. --
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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Vincent Medina]

Small fire at a substation shutdown 4.4 million customers... That is BS! 

-Original Message-
From: Vincent Medina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Probably because they were running Dells from Walmart. :) He he he - They
should have paid for faster support.

Come on I'm just kidding..

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I heard that a nuclear reactor south of Miami was shut down for safety
reasons.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Butts, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Butts
>
> Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology &
> Systems Manager
>
> University of South Florida - Graduate School
>
> BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951
>
> Phone: 813-974-3586
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the Carnegie
> Foundation
>
> USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities
>
>
>
> http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future One
> Student at a Time
>
>
>
> Quotes to remember:
>
> This "telephone" has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a
> means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876
>
> Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,
> Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899
>
> But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the
> microchip in 1968
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
> Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is
having
> issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some
> Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about 45
> mins.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon,
> > with
> > power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather
> > system
> > moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
> > million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ---
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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Vincent Medina]

Probably because they were running Dells from Walmart. :) He he he - They
should have paid for faster support.

Come on I'm just kidding..

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I heard that a nuclear reactor south of Miami was shut down for safety
reasons.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Butts, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Butts
>
> Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology &
> Systems Manager
>
> University of South Florida - Graduate School
>
> BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951
>
> Phone: 813-974-3586
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the Carnegie
> Foundation
>
> USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities
>
>
>
> http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future One
> Student at a Time
>
>
>
> Quotes to remember:
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> means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876
>
> Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,
> Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899
>
> But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the
> microchip in 1968
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
> Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is
having
> issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some
> Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about 45
> mins.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon,
> > with
> > power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather
> > system
> > moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
> > million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ---
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> > |Affordable Hosting Solutions   |
> > |http://www.beachcomp.com   |
> > ===
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RE: Scripted SQL Backups

[Sam Cayze]

MS SQL or MySQL?

 

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Scripted SQL Backups

 

I'll admit I have _never_ used sql am not sure what to do here.

 

I have a slew of small DB's I need to script a nightly full of to a
directory which gets backed up to tape.

 

Can someone push me in the right direction, being that I don't really
know anything about SQL, I don't know if the various points I am reading
are correct/optimal J

 

Thanks!
jlc

 

 

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RE: Scripted SQL Backups

[Barsodi.John]

What version of SQL?

 

There are automated SQL backups that will dump to wherever you want.

 

This might help you out:
http://www.sqlteam.com/article/backup-and-restore-in-sql-server-full-bac
kups

 

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Scripted SQL Backups

 

I'll admit I have _never_ used sql am not sure what to do here.

 

I have a slew of small DB's I need to script a nightly full of to a
directory which gets backed up to tape.

 

Can someone push me in the right direction, being that I don't really
know anything about SQL, I don't know if the various points I am reading
are correct/optimal J

 

Thanks!
jlc

 

 

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Scripted SQL Backups

[Joseph L. Casale]

I'll admit I have _never_ used sql am not sure what to do here.

I have a slew of small DB's I need to script a nightly full of to a directory 
which gets backed up to tape.

Can someone push me in the right direction, being that I don't really know 
anything about SQL, I don't know if the various points I am reading are 
correct/optimal :)

Thanks!
jlc

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Re: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Kurt Buff]

Chapter 18 of The Practice of System and Network Administration deals
with this very topic. This chapter starts with a checklist, in 14
steps, for upgrading (including patching) servers.

Chapter 17 is more fundamentally related as it deals with change
management, and chapters 20 and 22 are on Maintenance Windows and
Service Monitoring, respectively.

If you have a comprehensive monitoring infrastructure, then probably
not. However, I'll bet that you don't, *if* it's a custom app. And,
just because, using your example, you run a DCDIAG, doesn't mean
you've caught the problem - you will have to parse the report, or
automate parsing it, and get notified that something is wrong.

Kurt

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:25 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> …do you need to really check anything after patching and rebooting? I would
> think if you're already monitoring all the services, shares, disk space,
> event logs, data stores, etc then patch and reboot wouldn't require much
> testing per se. For DC's you could even automate a DCDIAG on every restart
> and have the results shot out, right?
>
>
>
> This is a rose colored glasses look, but wondered if anyone actually pulls
> this one off.
>
>
>
> Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
>  "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Router with 2 WAN interfaces

[Joe Heaton]

Fatpipe has some appliance offerings that do all the EIGRP type routing,
etc. internally.
 
http://www.fatpipe.com
 
 
 
Joe Heaton
 



From: David Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Router with 2 WAN interfaces



Hi all,

I'm looking at doubling our bandwidth at one of our offices and was
wondering if any

of you have an recommendations?

 

I'm looking at combining 2 SDSL connections and hope to load balance
certain services. In

addition, I would hope to double our upload speeds for offisite backups
and ftp services.

I have also heard some routers actually perform poorly in terms of ftp
to the point where it doesn't

perform at all under load balancing?

 

I hope someone can recommend something relieable.

 

 

David

 

 

 

 

 

 






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RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Joe Heaton]

What are you guys using to monitor?
 
Joe Heaton
 



From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly



...do you need to really check anything after patching and rebooting? I
would think if you're already monitoring all the services, shares, disk
space, event logs, data stores, etc then patch and reboot wouldn't
require much testing per se. For DC's you could even automate a DCDIAG
on every restart and have the results shot out, right?

 

This is a rose colored glasses look, but wondered if anyone actually
pulls this one off.

 

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 

 

 






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Re: Router with 2 WAN interfaces

[Phil Brutsche]

If you're looking to double your bandwidth for a single transfer (ie an
off-site backup via FTP) both DSL links will need to be to the same ISP.
In this regard it is no different than bonding a pair of T1s with MLPPP.

If you have 2 DSL links to separate ISPs your overall bandwidth will
approximately double but any single transfer - regardless of protocol or
direction - will only go as fast as the DSL line it's been assigned to.

SonicWALL, Cisco, Netscreen and Watchguard can all do this, as can most
of the small time devices.

David Lloyd wrote:
> I’m looking at doubling our bandwidth at one of our offices and was
> wondering if any
> 
> of you have an recommendations?
> 
> I’m looking at combining 2 SDSL connections and hope to load balance
> certain services. In
> 
> addition, I would hope to double our upload speeds for offisite backups
> and ftp services.
> 
> I have also heard some routers actually perform poorly in terms of ftp
> to the point where it doesn’t perform at all under load balancing?

-- 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Router with 2 WAN interfaces

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Just to be clear:  Connection balancing != Bandwidth multiplying.  You
may get improved bandwidth usage, but you aren't multiplying it.

However, if what you want is to really combine multiple Internet
connections, you will need some sort of parallel connection "bonding"
or "teaming" device.



On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 6:04 PM, David Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking at doubling our bandwidth at one of our offices and was
> wondering if any
>
> of you have an recommendations?
>
>
>
> I'm looking at combining 2 SDSL connections and hope to load balance certain
> services. In
>
> addition, I would hope to double our upload speeds for offisite backups and
> ftp services.
>
> I have also heard some routers actually perform poorly in terms of ftp to
> the point where it doesn't
>
> perform at all under load balancing?
>
>
>
> I hope someone can recommend something relieable.
>
>
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
ME2

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Router with 2 WAN interfaces

[David Lloyd]

Hi all,

I'm looking at doubling our bandwidth at one of our offices and was
wondering if any

of you have an recommendations?

 

I'm looking at combining 2 SDSL connections and hope to load balance
certain services. In

addition, I would hope to double our upload speeds for offisite backups
and ftp services.

I have also heard some routers actually perform poorly in terms of ftp
to the point where it doesn't

perform at all under load balancing?

 

I hope someone can recommend something relieable.

 

 

David

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[Sam Cayze]

It's the Custom Apps like CRM that worry me.  They are harder to
monitor, and they break in unexpected ways.

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly

 

...do you need to really check anything after patching and rebooting? I
would think if you're already monitoring all the services, shares, disk
space, event logs, data stores, etc then patch and reboot wouldn't
require much testing per se. For DC's you could even automate a DCDIAG
on every restart and have the results shot out, right?

 

This is a rose colored glasses look, but wondered if anyone actually
pulls this one off.

 

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 

 

 

 

 

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If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly....

[David Lum]

...do you need to really check anything after patching and rebooting? I
would think if you're already monitoring all the services, shares, disk
space, event logs, data stores, etc then patch and reboot wouldn't
require much testing per se. For DC's you could even automate a DCDIAG
on every restart and have the results shot out, right?

 

This is a rose colored glasses look, but wondered if anyone actually
pulls this one off.

 

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 

 

 


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RE: File and Print Sharing on workstations - Security Risk?

[Marc Maiffret]

It seems you could find a nice middle ground of disabling all "connectable"
shares yet leaving the functionality enabled for remote management.

>From a pure security risk perspective though most of the vulnerabilities
that pertain to having file sharing (rpc/smb/blabla) enabled have been
discovered these days. There was a hay day where a couple of years ago I'd
say having those things open even internally would be "very bad" but now a
day's those flaws are a LOT less common than vulnerabilities in your general
desktop applications such as Adobe/Flash/etc...

 And of course if you are using a good host based security solution
with real intrusion prevention capabilities then it does not matter if you
have file sharing enabled or not as it will prevent those types of attacks
regardless of your MS patche levels or zerodays. http://www.eeye.com/blink


-Marc

-Original Message-
From: Ajay Kulsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File and Print Sharing on workstations - Security Risk?

Management of this company thinks that turning on file and print sharing on 
workstations is a security vulnerability. In my opinion, this hampers remote

control of workstations like in Computer Management and does not provide any

significant security advantage.

What do you guys think? Any story from trenches?Thanks.

Jay Kulsh
So. Pasadena, CA 


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RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

[Rod Trent]

No.only pre-2k7.

 

Believe it or not.there are a lot of folks still on 2003.

 

From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

 

Unless I'm missing something, it still doesn't work with Outlook 2k7??  I'd
love to be wrong on this one!

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Rod Trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Lookout:

 

http://www.myitforum.com/Search.asp?word=lookout

&contrib=§ion=&dat=1&downloads=1&g=x&search_it=search 

 

From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:06 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

 

Then you never tried the Lookout tool that MS purchased and then depricated
in favor of WDS.  Lookout was 10x as fast for Outlook as WDS.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Reitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

The integration with Windows Desktop Search is my favorite part of
Outlook 2007. It makes finding email sooo much easier.

Malcolm

-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 03:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?


I think the trend is not to organize but to search for it, at least that
the new world order according to Google :)
I'm thinking about deploying it but keep it disabled and give the user
an option to enable it.
that should satisfy the few who want it and the rest don't care.
Need to investigate now how to best do that.

regards
Osama Salah


-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:07 PMd
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

To give this thread, I too am curious about people's experience managing
Desktop Search programs.
I have a few users that have used it; it involves the occasional
slowness of their machine, and corrupted indexes from time to time.
Other than that, not much of a pain.  We used cached mode in outlook, so
our server is not taking a hit...

Personally, I fear these programs will replace normal organizing of
correspondence that we require our users to perform.

Thoughts?



-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

Neither, sorry didn't realize there are so many WDS's I meant Windows
Desktop Search.
rgds
OS



-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

WDS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System

or

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/servermanager/windows
deploymentservices.mspx?

I assume that it's the former rather than the latter.

There are 2 big drawbacks against WDS:
 * each hop cuts the bandwidth in *half*
 * Your security is severely limited - the only real access control
options are WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK. Anything else is proprietary to the AP
vendor you use.

Lack of standardization is the cause of the second point.

Osama Salah wrote:
> are there any drawbacks, disadvantages, pitfalls in implementing WDS
in
> the company (about 1000) users?
> We have never used and a few users asked for it. I was wondering if
> there is anything I should be careful about or if it's all roses.

--

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Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

[Kevin Lundy]

Unless I'm missing something, it still doesn't work with Outlook 2k7??  I'd
love to be wrong on this one!

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Rod Trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Lookout:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.myitforum.com/Search.asp?word=lookout&contrib=§ion=&dat=1&downloads=1&g=x&search_it=search
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>  *Subject:* Re: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
>
>
> Then you never tried the Lookout tool that MS purchased and then
> depricated in favor of WDS.  Lookout was 10x as fast for Outlook as WDS.
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Reitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> The integration with Windows Desktop Search is my favorite part of
> Outlook 2007. It makes finding email sooo much easier.
>
> Malcolm
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 03:36
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
>
> I think the trend is not to organize but to search for it, at least that
> the new world order according to Google :)
> I'm thinking about deploying it but keep it disabled and give the user
> an option to enable it.
> that should satisfy the few who want it and the rest don't care.
> Need to investigate now how to best do that.
>
> regards
> Osama Salah
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:07 PMd
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
> To give this thread, I too am curious about people's experience managing
> Desktop Search programs.
> I have a few users that have used it; it involves the occasional
> slowness of their machine, and corrupted indexes from time to time.
> Other than that, not much of a pain.  We used cached mode in outlook, so
> our server is not taking a hit...
>
> Personally, I fear these programs will replace normal organizing of
> correspondence that we require our users to perform.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
> Neither, sorry didn't realize there are so many WDS's I meant Windows
> Desktop Search.
> rgds
> OS
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:14 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
> WDS?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System
>
> or
>
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/servermanager/windows
> deploymentservices.mspx?
>
> I assume that it's the former rather than the latter.
>
> There are 2 big drawbacks against WDS:
>  * each hop cuts the bandwidth in *half*
>  * Your security is severely limited - the only real access control
> options are WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK. Anything else is proprietary to the AP
> vendor you use.
>
> Lack of standardization is the cause of the second point.
>
> Osama Salah wrote:
> > are there any drawbacks, disadvantages, pitfalls in implementing WDS
> in
> > the company (about 1000) users?
> > We have never used and a few users asked for it. I was wondering if
> > there is anything I should be careful about or if it's all roses.
>
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RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

[Malcolm Reitz]

I did use Lookout. I didn't think it worked with Outlook 2007 cached
mode.

 

Malcolm 

From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 15:06
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

 

Then you never tried the Lookout tool that MS purchased and then
depricated in favor of WDS.  Lookout was 10x as fast for Outlook as WDS.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Reitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

The integration with Windows Desktop Search is my favorite part of
Outlook 2007. It makes finding email sooo much easier.

Malcolm

-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 03:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?


I think the trend is not to organize but to search for it, at least that
the new world order according to Google :)
I'm thinking about deploying it but keep it disabled and give the user
an option to enable it.
that should satisfy the few who want it and the rest don't care.
Need to investigate now how to best do that.

regards
Osama Salah


-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:07 PMd
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

To give this thread, I too am curious about people's experience managing
Desktop Search programs.
I have a few users that have used it; it involves the occasional
slowness of their machine, and corrupted indexes from time to time.
Other than that, not much of a pain.  We used cached mode in outlook, so
our server is not taking a hit...

Personally, I fear these programs will replace normal organizing of
correspondence that we require our users to perform.

Thoughts?



-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

Neither, sorry didn't realize there are so many WDS's I meant Windows
Desktop Search.
rgds
OS



-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

WDS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System

or

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/servermanager/windows
deploymentservices.mspx?

I assume that it's the former rather than the latter.

There are 2 big drawbacks against WDS:
 * each hop cuts the bandwidth in *half*
 * Your security is severely limited - the only real access control
options are WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK. Anything else is proprietary to the AP
vendor you use.

Lack of standardization is the cause of the second point.

Osama Salah wrote:
> are there any drawbacks, disadvantages, pitfalls in implementing WDS
in
> the company (about 1000) users?
> We have never used and a few users asked for it. I was wondering if
> there is anything I should be careful about or if it's all roses.

--

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RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

[Carl Houseman]

Agreed, WDS is an overweight slug like many other recent MS releases...
presumably it uses the same developer(s?) and tech as Lookout but apparently
their original clean effort has been hopelessly corrupted.

  _  

From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?


Then you never tried the Lookout tool that MS purchased and then depricated
in favor of WDS.  Lookout was 10x as fast for Outlook as WDS.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Reitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


The integration with Windows Desktop Search is my favorite part of
Outlook 2007. It makes finding email sooo much easier.

Malcolm

-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 03:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?


I think the trend is not to organize but to search for it, at least that
the new world order according to Google :)
I'm thinking about deploying it but keep it disabled and give the user
an option to enable it.
that should satisfy the few who want it and the rest don't care.
Need to investigate now how to best do that.

regards
Osama Salah


-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:07 PMd
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

To give this thread, I too am curious about people's experience managing
Desktop Search programs.
I have a few users that have used it; it involves the occasional
slowness of their machine, and corrupted indexes from time to time.
Other than that, not much of a pain.  We used cached mode in outlook, so
our server is not taking a hit...

Personally, I fear these programs will replace normal organizing of
correspondence that we require our users to perform.

Thoughts?



-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

Neither, sorry didn't realize there are so many WDS's I meant Windows
Desktop Search.
rgds
OS



-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

WDS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System

or

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/servermanager/windows
deploymentservices.mspx?

I assume that it's the former rather than the latter.

There are 2 big drawbacks against WDS:
 * each hop cuts the bandwidth in *half*
 * Your security is severely limited - the only real access control
options are WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK. Anything else is proprietary to the AP
vendor you use.

Lack of standardization is the cause of the second point.

Osama Salah wrote:
> are there any drawbacks, disadvantages, pitfalls in implementing WDS
in
> the company (about 1000) users?
> We have never used and a few users asked for it. I was wondering if
> there is anything I should be careful about or if it's all roses.

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RE: Internet Restrictions

[Michael Hoffman]

How about OpenDNS?

 

They now have a monitoring feature. Do you want to prevent the user from
straying, or gather evidence to reprimand?

 

Mike

 

From: Eric E Eskam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 26 February 2008 21:04
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Internet Restrictions

 


"Christopher J. Bosak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 02/26/2008
02:12:47 PM:

> I have a user that can't play by the rules. 
> Well... more than the others. 
> He can only use one computer, and it's for ordering parts and 
> checking the company email. (Hosted off-site). I need a program
> that I can monitor remotely, that can restrict internet usage 
> to "approved" sites, and that is low on the price. Any 
> suggestions are appreciated. Thanks. 

google for squid 

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Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

[Eric E Eskam]

http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/emailsearch

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From:
"Kevin Lundy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
"NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:
02/26/2008 04:07 PM
Subject:
Re: Anything against implementing WDS?



Then you never tried the Lookout tool that MS purchased and then 
depricated in favor of WDS.  Lookout was 10x as fast for Outlook as WDS.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Reitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
The integration with Windows Desktop Search is my favorite part of
Outlook 2007. It makes finding email sooo much easier.

Malcolm
-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 03:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?


I think the trend is not to organize but to search for it, at least that
the new world order according to Google :)
I'm thinking about deploying it but keep it disabled and give the user
an option to enable it.
that should satisfy the few who want it and the rest don't care.
Need to investigate now how to best do that.

regards
Osama Salah


-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:07 PMd
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

To give this thread, I too am curious about people's experience managing
Desktop Search programs.
I have a few users that have used it; it involves the occasional
slowness of their machine, and corrupted indexes from time to time.
Other than that, not much of a pain.  We used cached mode in outlook, so
our server is not taking a hit...

Personally, I fear these programs will replace normal organizing of
correspondence that we require our users to perform.

Thoughts?



-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

Neither, sorry didn't realize there are so many WDS's I meant Windows
Desktop Search.
rgds
OS



-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

WDS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System

or

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/servermanager/windows
deploymentservices.mspx?

I assume that it's the former rather than the latter.

There are 2 big drawbacks against WDS:
 * each hop cuts the bandwidth in *half*
 * Your security is severely limited - the only real access control
options are WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK. Anything else is proprietary to the AP
vendor you use.

Lack of standardization is the cause of the second point.

Osama Salah wrote:
> are there any drawbacks, disadvantages, pitfalls in implementing WDS
in
> the company (about 1000) users?
> We have never used and a few users asked for it. I was wondering if
> there is anything I should be careful about or if it's all roses.

--

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RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

[Rod Trent]

Lookout:

 

http://www.myitforum.com/Search.asp?word=lookout

&contrib=§ion=&dat=1&downloads=1&g=x&search_it=search 

 

From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

 

Then you never tried the Lookout tool that MS purchased and then depricated
in favor of WDS.  Lookout was 10x as fast for Outlook as WDS.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Reitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

The integration with Windows Desktop Search is my favorite part of
Outlook 2007. It makes finding email sooo much easier.

Malcolm

-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 03:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?


I think the trend is not to organize but to search for it, at least that
the new world order according to Google :)
I'm thinking about deploying it but keep it disabled and give the user
an option to enable it.
that should satisfy the few who want it and the rest don't care.
Need to investigate now how to best do that.

regards
Osama Salah


-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:07 PMd
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

To give this thread, I too am curious about people's experience managing
Desktop Search programs.
I have a few users that have used it; it involves the occasional
slowness of their machine, and corrupted indexes from time to time.
Other than that, not much of a pain.  We used cached mode in outlook, so
our server is not taking a hit...

Personally, I fear these programs will replace normal organizing of
correspondence that we require our users to perform.

Thoughts?



-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

Neither, sorry didn't realize there are so many WDS's I meant Windows
Desktop Search.
rgds
OS



-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

WDS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System

or

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/servermanager/windows
deploymentservices.mspx?

I assume that it's the former rather than the latter.

There are 2 big drawbacks against WDS:
 * each hop cuts the bandwidth in *half*
 * Your security is severely limited - the only real access control
options are WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK. Anything else is proprietary to the AP
vendor you use.

Lack of standardization is the cause of the second point.

Osama Salah wrote:
> are there any drawbacks, disadvantages, pitfalls in implementing WDS
in
> the company (about 1000) users?
> We have never used and a few users asked for it. I was wondering if
> there is anything I should be careful about or if it's all roses.

--

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Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

[Kevin Lundy]

Then you never tried the Lookout tool that MS purchased and then depricated
in favor of WDS.  Lookout was 10x as fast for Outlook as WDS.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Reitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The integration with Windows Desktop Search is my favorite part of
> Outlook 2007. It makes finding email sooo much easier.
>
> Malcolm
> -Original Message-
> From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 03:36
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
>
> I think the trend is not to organize but to search for it, at least that
> the new world order according to Google :)
> I'm thinking about deploying it but keep it disabled and give the user
> an option to enable it.
> that should satisfy the few who want it and the rest don't care.
> Need to investigate now how to best do that.
>
> regards
> Osama Salah
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:07 PMd
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
> To give this thread, I too am curious about people's experience managing
> Desktop Search programs.
> I have a few users that have used it; it involves the occasional
> slowness of their machine, and corrupted indexes from time to time.
> Other than that, not much of a pain.  We used cached mode in outlook, so
> our server is not taking a hit...
>
> Personally, I fear these programs will replace normal organizing of
> correspondence that we require our users to perform.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
> Neither, sorry didn't realize there are so many WDS's I meant Windows
> Desktop Search.
> rgds
> OS
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:14 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?
>
> WDS?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System
>
> or
>
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/servermanager/windows
> deploymentservices.mspx?
>
> I assume that it's the former rather than the latter.
>
> There are 2 big drawbacks against WDS:
>  * each hop cuts the bandwidth in *half*
>  * Your security is severely limited - the only real access control
> options are WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK. Anything else is proprietary to the AP
> vendor you use.
>
> Lack of standardization is the cause of the second point.
>
> Osama Salah wrote:
> > are there any drawbacks, disadvantages, pitfalls in implementing WDS
> in
> > the company (about 1000) users?
> > We have never used and a few users asked for it. I was wondering if
> > there is anything I should be careful about or if it's all roses.
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
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Re: Internet Restrictions

[Eric E Eskam]

"Christopher J. Bosak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 02/26/2008 02:12:47 
PM:

> I have a user that can?t play by the rules.
> Well? more than the others.
> He can only use one computer, and it?s for ordering parts and 
> checking the company email. (Hosted off-site). I need a program
> that I can monitor remotely, that can restrict internet usage 
> to ?approved? sites, and that is low on the price. Any 
> suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

google for squid

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RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

[Malcolm Reitz]

The integration with Windows Desktop Search is my favorite part of
Outlook 2007. It makes finding email sooo much easier.

Malcolm
-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 03:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

 
I think the trend is not to organize but to search for it, at least that
the new world order according to Google :)
I'm thinking about deploying it but keep it disabled and give the user
an option to enable it.
that should satisfy the few who want it and the rest don't care.
Need to investigate now how to best do that.

regards
Osama Salah


-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:07 PMd
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

To give this thread, I too am curious about people's experience managing
Desktop Search programs.  
I have a few users that have used it; it involves the occasional
slowness of their machine, and corrupted indexes from time to time.
Other than that, not much of a pain.  We used cached mode in outlook, so
our server is not taking a hit...

Personally, I fear these programs will replace normal organizing of
correspondence that we require our users to perform.

Thoughts?  



-Original Message-
From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anything against implementing WDS?

Neither, sorry didn't realize there are so many WDS's I meant Windows
Desktop Search.
rgds
OS



-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anything against implementing WDS?

WDS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System

or

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/servermanager/windows
deploymentservices.mspx?

I assume that it's the former rather than the latter.

There are 2 big drawbacks against WDS:
 * each hop cuts the bandwidth in *half*
 * Your security is severely limited - the only real access control
options are WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK. Anything else is proprietary to the AP
vendor you use.

Lack of standardization is the cause of the second point.

Osama Salah wrote:
> are there any drawbacks, disadvantages, pitfalls in implementing WDS
in
> the company (about 1000) users?
> We have never used and a few users asked for it. I was wondering if
> there is anything I should be careful about or if it's all roses.

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RE: Software Inventory

[Malcolm Reitz]

FWIW, SCCM does a much better job of identifying software than SMS 2003
did. The Asset Intelligence reports seem to be a big step forward.

 

Malcolm 

From: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2008 04:04
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Software Inventory

 

Hi,

 

we have pretty much used every SMS version ever made and it always ends
up that the system just collects dust at some point and get
disconnected.

The same happened to SMS 2003.

Now the helpdesk people have risen again from the dead and are asking if
it's possible to scan desktops and report on what software is installed
on them and maybe even if it's being used or not.

I'm not sure if I should give Systems Configuration Manager a try or
just look for a dedicated relatively inexpensive tool that does just
what they want.

Implementing SCM wouldn't cost me anything, its already part of our MS
Enterprise agreement.

Should I try SCM? Would it work OK on an ESX VM? (I know M$ won't
support it but performance wise, would that be an option?

 

regards

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RE: grammer question -- er, grammAr

[kenw]

Right.  And by the way, it's "grammar", not "grammer".

 

I think it was Dijkstra who said "If you make it possible for
programmers to write their programs in English, you will find
programmers cannot write English".

 

From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: February-26-08 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

"Me" is correct. "Myself" is not. 

 

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

It actually should be,

 

"grab Andy or myself".

 

Damn, that sounds to GAY to repeat.

 



From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

I was always taught your reference to yourself should be last. A better
sounding response would have been Andy or myself but that doesn't follow
some peoples qualifier of leaving the other person out.

 

John W. Cook

System Administrator

Partnership For Strong Families

315 SE 2nd Ave

Gainesville, Fl 32601

Office (352) 393-2741 x320

Cell (352) 215-6944

Fax (352) 393-2746

MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

 

From: Kent, Larry CTR USA IMCOM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

"me or Andy" is correct..Shazaam!

 



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 

 

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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Alex Eckelberry]

Here's what I just got from one of my news alerts:

Statewide power outage caused by mechanical failure to 2 nuclear power
plants.
 
Map of outages here:

http://www.progress-energy.com/shared/outages/fla/index.html

This is pretty big...

Alex
 

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

I heard that a nuclear reactor south of Miami was shut down for safety
reasons.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Butts, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Butts
>
> Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology 
> & Systems Manager
>
> University of South Florida - Graduate School
>
> BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951
>
> Phone: 813-974-3586
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the 
> Carnegie Foundation
>
> USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities
>
>
>
> http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future 
> One Student at a Time
>
>
>
> Quotes to remember:
>
> This "telephone" has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered 
> as a means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876
>
> Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,

> Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899
>
> But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the 
> microchip in 1968
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
> Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is 
> having issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like 
> maybe some Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for 
> about 45 mins.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this 
> > afternoon, with power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts 
> > as a heavy weather system moved through the region, police and 
> > utility officials said. About 4.4 million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
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Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

I heard that a nuclear reactor south of Miami was shut down for safety reasons.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Butts, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Butts
>
> Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology &
> Systems Manager
>
> University of South Florida - Graduate School
>
> BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951
>
> Phone: 813-974-3586
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the Carnegie
> Foundation
>
> USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities
>
>
>
> http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future One
> Student at a Time
>
>
>
> Quotes to remember:
>
> This "telephone" has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a
> means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876
>
> Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,
> Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899
>
> But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the
> microchip in 1968
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
>
>
> Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is having
> issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some
> Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about 45
> mins.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon,
> > with
> > power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather
> > system
> > moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
> > million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ---
> > |Beach Computers|
> > |Affordable Hosting Solutions   |
> > |http://www.beachcomp.com   |
> > ===
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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Butts, Joseph]

Power outage at a substation caused this.  USF is back up.

 

 

 

Joseph Butts

Systems Administrator - DBA - Webmaster - Exchange Admin - Technology &
Systems Manager

University of South Florida - Graduate School

BEH 358, 4202 East Fowler Avenue Tampa, FL 33620-9951

Phone: 813-974-3586

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

USF is classified as a Research (high activity) university by the
Carnegie Foundation

USF is One of Florida's Top Three Research Universities

 

http://www.grad.usf.edu/ - USF Graduate School: Creating the Future One
Student at a Time

 

Quotes to remember:

This "telephone" has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as
a means of communications. - Western Union Internal memo, 1876

Everything that can be invented has been invented. - Charles H. Duell,
Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899

But ... what is it good for? - An engineer at IBM, commenting on the
microchip in 1968

 

 

From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

 

Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.

 

John W. Cook

System Administrator

Partnership For Strong Families

315 SE 2nd Ave

Gainesville, Fl 32601

Office (352) 393-2741 x320

Cell (352) 215-6944

Fax (352) 393-2746

MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

 

Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is
having issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe
some Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.

 

Jon

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about
45
mins.


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline


> Huge blackout hits Florida
> Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon,
> with
> power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather
> system
> moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
> million customers were affected.
>
>
> Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> ---
> |Beach Computers|
> |Affordable Hosting Solutions   |
> |http://www.beachcomp.com   |
> ===
> |Cheap Domain Warehouse |
> |Get Your Own Dot!  |
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Re: Outage hits Windows Live Hotmail, Messenger users

[Mike Sullivan]

I could not log into Windows Live Messenger this morning but it is working
now.

I am in Northern California.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Rod Trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's intermittent and it's hitting all Live Passport services.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:49 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Outage hits Windows Live Hotmail, Messenger users
>
> It's strange... On my home desktop, I couldn't login to Messenger. But
> on my laptop--sitting right beside my desktop and connected to the same
> network--I could. And no problem from work, either.
>
> I was starting to think maybe it was just a problem with my desktop
> computer. Glad it's not just me, although it sucks for MS.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Outage hits Windows Live Hotmail, Messenger users
>
> I don't use either, but ...
>
> --- Included Stuff Follows ---
> Outage hits Windows Live Hotmail, Messenger users
>
>Windows Live users are reporting on February 26 that they are unable
> to
>access Windows Live Hotmail and Windows Live Messenger, two of
> Microsoft's
>key consumer Internet services.
>
>Microsoft's MSN.com portal also is extremely slow to load.
>
>A number of users on Microsoft's Channel 9 Web site report having
> been
>affected by the outage.
>
>According to one report, the Microsoft Live outage is affecting
> customers
>all across the East Coast. I am an East Coast user and have been
> unable to
>access Hotmail or Live Messenger for the past two hours.
>
>I asked Microsoft for an update on what is happening. Officials said
> an
>update would be forthcoming. Here's the "holding statement" I just
> got
>from a company spokeswoman:
>
>"We are aware that some customers may be experiencing difficulty
>
>accessing their Windows Live accounts. We're actively investigating
>the cause and are working to take the appropriate steps to remedy
> the
>situation as rapidly as possible. We sincerely apologize for any
>inconvenience and disruption this may be causing our customers."
>
>The spokeswoman said she'd send more details once they were
> available. So
>stay tuned.
>
>Meanwhile, any other Microsoft services or properties you know of
> that are
>affected?
> - Included Stuff Ends -
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1219
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RE: DHCP server setup

[Thomas Gonzalez]

I just figured it out, the dhcp db was totally corrupted...it pays to
really look at the issue.

 

 

T

 

From: Thomas Gonzalez 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: DHCP server setup

 

I have a question about DHCP setup. So when I started working here,
there was an appliance entitled Axentra, which served as the gateway for
Internet / POP3 and DHCP.

 

Now we have moved into a CISCO environment and I just received my last
Cisco appliance, ASA5505, to act as our Firewall / DMZ. So onto my
question, last night I setup up our DC to act as the DHCP and waited
before I authorized the server after disabling the service on the
Axentra Server. 

 

I came in this morning and found that my workstation would not speak to
the DHCP (win2k3 server). I went to a few other stations and did a
release and renewal and still nothing. So I had to deactivate /
unathorize the server and reactivate the Axentra server.

 

I know it's not that difficult to setup a DHCP server, but am I missing
something? 

 

 

TIA

 

Thomas Gonzalez

Technology Manager

Girl Scouts of Southwest Texas

210.349.2404 phone
210.403.1586 DID

210.349.2666 fax

www.girlscouts-swtx.org

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Re: Moving Files/shares to new server

[Rubens Almeida]

I'd go with robocopy, (lab first to get yourself familiar with it, if
this is the case) and put it to spit logs (the more detailed the
best), then you can export the registry keys with all the shares from
one box to another, cycle the server service and you're ready to go.
personally I don't like wizards, usually they work fine just for small
environments. There's no control about what's going on behind the
curtain with a wizard.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Reimer, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> This was brought up last November or so. But I have an opinion question.
>
> I have a number of files and shares (I'm guessing 100 shares or so). There
> seems to be two main ways.
>
> 1. Robocopy and some form of share moving, either with permcopy, rmtshare,
> or registry export | import (if the drive letters match).
>
> 2. Use File Server Migration Tool from MS.
>
> Which do you prefer?
>
> I'm going from Win2K3 to Win2K3, and have about 200GB.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[John Cook]

Not even a flicker here in Gainesville.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is having 
issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some Tornados 
to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.

Jon
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about 45
mins.

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline


> Huge blackout hits Florida
> Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon,
> with
> power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather
> system
> moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
> million customers were affected.
>
>
> Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
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Re: grammer question

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

LOL!

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Alex Eckelberry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, that would be
>
> AnalRetentiveNinja
>
>
> Alex
>
> 
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:24 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
>
>
>
> Idea for a new Sunbelt product?
>
>
>
>
> From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:19 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
>
>
>
>
> "Grab Andy or me" is the correct usage.
>
>
>
> Any reference to yourself is always at the end of a series.   Examples:
> Bill, John and I went to the beach.  He hit Jim and me.
>
>
>
> As far as "I" vs. "me" goes, an informal approach is to delete the reference
> to the other person and see if it works.  In this case, "I" is certainly not
> the correct usage.
>
>
>
> If you're curious, the technical reason is that "me" is objective case (like
> "whom"), vs. "I", which is always subjective case.   Objective pronouns
> receive an action.  You throw a ball to "me" or "him".  Subjective case
> pronouns act as a subject.   "I" threw the ball.
>
>
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: grammer question
>
> In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
> mailed out this sentence:
>
>
>
> When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and…
>
>
>
> My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right,
> as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)…
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Shook
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Groups]

FPL just came out with an official response:
"D'oh, we flipped the wrong switch"

 
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-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about 45 
mins.

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline


> Huge blackout hits Florida
> Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon, 
> with
> power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather 
> system
> moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
> million customers were affected.
>
>
> Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
>
>
>
> Dave
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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Tom Strader]

I'm not elaborating on that one



From: Za Vue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammar question (v.2.0)


What is the proper way to use the word hang when referring to a HUMAN?
 
He was hung yesterday  or he was hang yesterday?  My grade teacher said
you never use the past tense when hanging humans.
 
-Z.V.





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Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Jon Harris]

Has not gotten this far north but one of the Universities in Tampa is having
issues internally so maybe they were affected?  Looks like maybe some
Tornados to the north of Orlando about Gainsville.

Jon

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about 45
> mins.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline
>
>
> > Huge blackout hits Florida
> > Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon,
> > with
> > power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather
> > system
> > moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
> > million customers were affected.
> >
> >
> > Power is spotty, comes and goes.
> > Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
> > WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
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RE: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Alex Eckelberry]

Seeing it up here in Tampa/Clearwater areaw, even though it's being
primarily reported as South Florida.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline

Huge blackout hits Florida
Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon,
with power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy
weather system moved through the region, police and utility officials
said. About 4.4 million customers were affected.


Power is spotty, comes and goes.
Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.


 
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RE: grammer question

[Alex Eckelberry]

Yes, that would be 
 
AnalRetentiveNinja  
 
 
Alex
 



From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question



Idea for a new Sunbelt product?

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

"Grab Andy or me" is the correct usage. 

 

Any reference to yourself is always at the end of a series.   Examples:
Bill, John and I went to the beach.  He hit Jim and me. 

 

As far as "I" vs. "me" goes, an informal approach is to delete the
reference to the other person and see if it works.  In this case, "I" is
certainly not the correct usage. 

 

If you're curious, the technical reason is that "me" is objective case
(like "whom"), vs. "I", which is always subjective case.   Objective
pronouns receive an action.  You throw a ball to "me" or "him".
Subjective case pronouns act as a subject.   "I" threw the ball. 

 

HTH,

 

 

Alex

 

 

 



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 
 
 

 

 






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RE: grammer question

[Scot Parsons]

"Me" is correct. "Myself" is not.

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

It actually should be,

"grab Andy or myself".

Damn, that sounds to GAY to repeat.


From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question
I was always taught your reference to yourself should be last. A better 
sounding response would have been Andy or myself but that doesn't follow some 
peoples qualifier of leaving the other person out.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

From: Kent, Larry CTR USA IMCOM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

"me or Andy" is correct..Shazaam!


From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question
In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss mailed 
out this sentence:

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right, as 
he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)...

Thanks,

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook






















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Re: FYI, South Florida Is offline

[James Kerr]

Too bad we were only down for about a second. Home lost power for about 45 
mins.


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: FYI, South Florida Is offline



Huge blackout hits Florida
Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon, 
with
power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather 
system

moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
million customers were affected.


Power is spotty, comes and goes.
Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.



Dave

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RE: certification questions (was security+)

[Christopher Boggs]

OK... answered my own question after some more extensive googling.
Apparently, Syngress screwed up and put the wrong exam number on their
newest book..  The content is apparently exactly the same between the
tests, CompTIA just decided to use a different number for the E2C
version, as the price is lower for those who qualify to be an E2C
member.

 

Off to schedule an exam!  

 

 



From: Christopher Boggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: security+ question

 

OK - a while back I bought a book for the Security+ cert, not realizing
the book says its for exam JK0-010, which is apparently the CompTIA E2C
version of the exam (for educators and teachers, etc)

 

http://www.bookpool.com/sm/1597491535

 

Does anyone know if the objectives are any different?  CompTIA doesn't
really mention anything else about JK0-010 being different, just that it
requires a voucher (which you can only get if you're an E2C member) and
I'm worried that this book might not have everything for the SY0-101...
I mean, I've read other Security+ books and this one seems right in
line, but I don't want to throw away $250 bucks because I bought the
wrong book.

 

Ugh.  I've been meaning to take the Security+ for years, but money has
been tight, so I want to make sure I can pass it so I get reimbursed by
my company. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: DHCP server setup

[Andrew Greene]

Do you have all of your DHCP scopes setup? Are you using multiple VLANs
in the new Cisco environment? Do those VLANs know to talk to the Windows
DHCP server using "ip helper-address"?

 

Andrew Greene
Webmaster
City of Anderson
120 E Main St., Anderson, IN 46018
765-648-5947

From: Thomas Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: DHCP server setup

 

I have a question about DHCP setup. So when I started working here,
there was an appliance entitled Axentra, which served as the gateway for
Internet / POP3 and DHCP.

 

Now we have moved into a CISCO environment and I just received my last
Cisco appliance, ASA5505, to act as our Firewall / DMZ. So onto my
question, last night I setup up our DC to act as the DHCP and waited
before I authorized the server after disabling the service on the
Axentra Server. 

 

I came in this morning and found that my workstation would not speak to
the DHCP (win2k3 server). I went to a few other stations and did a
release and renewal and still nothing. So I had to deactivate /
unathorize the server and reactivate the Axentra server.

 

I know it's not that difficult to setup a DHCP server, but am I missing
something? 

 

 

TIA

 

Thomas Gonzalez

Technology Manager

Girl Scouts of Southwest Texas

210.349.2404 phone
210.403.1586 DID

210.349.2666 fax

www.girlscouts-swtx.org

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Re: grammer question

[Kurt Buff]

Well played, sir.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Alex Eckelberry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> "Grab Andy or me" is the correct usage.
>
> Any reference to yourself is always at the end of a series.   Examples:
> Bill, John and I went to the beach.  He hit Jim and me.
>
> As far as "I" vs. "me" goes, an informal approach is to delete the reference
> to the other person and see if it works.  In this case, "I" is certainly not
> the correct usage.
>
> If you're curious, the technical reason is that "me" is objective case (like
> "whom"), vs. "I", which is always subjective case.   Objective pronouns
> receive an action.  You throw a ball to "me" or "him".  Subjective case
> pronouns act as a subject.   "I" threw the ball.
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>  
>
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: grammer question
>
>
>
>
>
> In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
> mailed out this sentence:
>
>
>
> When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and…
>
>
>
> My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right,
> as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)…
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Shook
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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FYI, South Florida Is offline

[Groups]

Huge blackout hits Florida
Massive power outages struck central and south Florida this afternoon, with
power reported out on the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts as a heavy weather system
moved through the region, police and utility officials said. About 4.4
million customers were affected.


Power is spotty, comes and goes.
Vonage lines across Miami seem dead (not sure if it's related).
WSVN.com, the local hype stations site, is down.


 
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DHCP server setup

[Thomas Gonzalez]

I have a question about DHCP setup. So when I started working here,
there was an appliance entitled Axentra, which served as the gateway for
Internet / POP3 and DHCP.

 

Now we have moved into a CISCO environment and I just received my last
Cisco appliance, ASA5505, to act as our Firewall / DMZ. So onto my
question, last night I setup up our DC to act as the DHCP and waited
before I authorized the server after disabling the service on the
Axentra Server. 

 

I came in this morning and found that my workstation would not speak to
the DHCP (win2k3 server). I went to a few other stations and did a
release and renewal and still nothing. So I had to deactivate /
unathorize the server and reactivate the Axentra server.

 

I know it's not that difficult to setup a DHCP server, but am I missing
something? 

 

 

TIA

 

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RE: Monitoring a virtual Citrix environment

[Phil Guevara]

Im curious of this as well.
 
Best,
 
Phil  
 



From: Rankin, James R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Monitoring a virtual Citrix environment



 

Just started at a not-for-profit organization that are switching to a
virtualized (VMWare) Citrix environment. I have been tasked to find a
way of monitoring the servers and network, and it has to be
Windows-based (don't know why), so Nagios is out.

 

I was just wondering what are the best products for monitoring VMWare
environments, beyond simply adding agents to guest machines, as I am
interested in monitoring the actual performance and integration of the
guest machines with the underlying ESX server. There seem to be several
management packs/connectors for SCOM and SCE that threaten to do this
sort of thing (such as eXc VMWare Management Pack, Quest Management
eXtensions, and nWorks VMWare Events MP), does anyone have any
experience of these, or are there other alternatives not using
Operations Manager?

 

Also are things such as the HP Proliant Essentials Virtual Machine
Management Pack worth their salt? The features such as VMWare DRs based
on hardware failure alerts seem quite cool, but are they effective? Are
there any equivalents for Dell hardware (can't seem to find any)?

 

TIA,

 

 

 

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Re: grammer question

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

ROFL!

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Andy Shook
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My baloney has a first name, its M-I-C-H-E-A-L
> My baloney has a second name, its E-S-P-I-N-O-L-A
> I love to talk to him every day
> And when people ask me why, I'll say...
> Because ME2 has a way with things of G-R-A-M-M-A-R
>
> Shook
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: grammer question
>
> Sure:  see - arr - aye - pee
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Bob Fronk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > But can you spell MCSE?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob Fronk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bill Songstad (WCUL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:02 PM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: grammer question
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: grammer question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Skool is grate too yeeers ago I couldn't evn spell enjineer.  Now I is
> one!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Songstad
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: OT: grammer question
> >
> >
> >
> > In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
> > mailed out this sentence:
> >
> >
> >
> > When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...
> >
> >
> >
> > My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
> right,
> > as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)...
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Shook
> >
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: grammer question

[Michael B. Smith]

Now, I don't care who you are, that's just funny right thar.

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

My baloney has a first name, its M-I-C-H-E-A-L
My baloney has a second name, its E-S-P-I-N-O-L-A
I love to talk to him every day
And when people ask me why, I'll say...
Because ME2 has a way with things of G-R-A-M-M-A-R

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook 
  
-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: grammer question

Sure:  see - arr - aye - pee

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Bob Fronk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> But can you spell MCSE?
>
>
>
>
> Bob Fronk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Songstad (WCUL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:02 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
>
>
>
>
> Skool is grate too yeeers ago I couldn't evn spell enjineer.  Now I is
one!
>
>
>
>
> Bill Songstad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: grammer question
>
>
>
> In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
> mailed out this sentence:
>
>
>
> When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...
>
>
>
> My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right,
> as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Shook
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely
for
> the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you
should not
> read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions
expressed
> in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of
the
> Davis H. Elliot Company . Warning: Although precautions have been
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> make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot
accept
> responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this
email
> or attachments.
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RE: grammer question

[Andy Shook]

My baloney has a first name, its M-I-C-H-E-A-L
My baloney has a second name, its E-S-P-I-N-O-L-A
I love to talk to him every day
And when people ask me why, I'll say...
Because ME2 has a way with things of G-R-A-M-M-A-R

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook 
  
-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: grammer question

Sure:  see - arr - aye - pee

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Bob Fronk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> But can you spell MCSE?
>
>
>
>
> Bob Fronk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Songstad (WCUL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:02 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
>
>
>
>
> Skool is grate too yeeers ago I couldn't evn spell enjineer.  Now I is
one!
>
>
>
>
> Bill Songstad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: grammer question
>
>
>
> In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
> mailed out this sentence:
>
>
>
> When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...
>
>
>
> My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right,
> as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Shook
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely
for
> the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you
should not
> read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions
expressed
> in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of
the
> Davis H. Elliot Company . Warning: Although precautions have been
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> make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot
accept
> responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this
email
> or attachments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: grammer question

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

I agree that you should refer to yourself last.  Although, I agree
with others than using "me" is also OK.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It actually should be,
>
> "grab Andy or myself".
>
> Damn, that sounds to GAY to repeat.
> 
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
>
>
>
> I was always taught your reference to yourself should be last. A better
> sounding response would have been Andy or myself but that doesn't follow
> some peoples qualifier of leaving the other person out.
>
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
> From: Kent, Larry CTR USA IMCOM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:53 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
>
>
>
>
> "me or Andy" is correct..Shazaam!
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: grammer question
>
> In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
> mailed out this sentence:
>
>
>
> When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and…
>
>
>
> My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right,
> as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)…
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Shook
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
>
>
>
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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[John Cook]

If a woman is hung she can make big $ on the internet!

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+


-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: grammar question (v.2.0)

lol

I see many hung jokes in this lists near future.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Bill Songstad (WCUL)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> A man can be hung until dead.  A woman cannot.  When one is executed by
> hanging, they have been hanged.
>
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Rod Trent]

Or, in reference to William...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hung 

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: grammar question (v.2.0)

M-W says "hung" is acceptable:

   http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hanged

When referring to me, its always "hung".


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Za Vue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> What is the proper way to use the word hang when referring to a HUMAN?
>
>
>
> He was hung yesterday  or he was hang yesterday?  My grade teacher said
you
> never use the past tense when hanging humans.
>
>
>
> -Z.V.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>



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RE: grammer question

[Rod Trent]

Idea for a new Sunbelt product?

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

"Grab Andy or me" is the correct usage. 

 

Any reference to yourself is always at the end of a series.   Examples:
Bill, John and I went to the beach.  He hit Jim and me. 

 

As far as "I" vs. "me" goes, an informal approach is to delete the reference
to the other person and see if it works.  In this case, "I" is certainly not
the correct usage. 

 

If you're curious, the technical reason is that "me" is objective case (like
"whom"), vs. "I", which is always subjective case.   Objective pronouns
receive an action.  You throw a ball to "me" or "him".  Subjective case
pronouns act as a subject.   "I" threw the ball. 

 

HTH,

 

 

Alex

 

 

 

  _  

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and.

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right,
as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red).

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

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RE: grammer question

[Mike Semon]

Keep it simple and say me and dufus we be fixin the server.

 

  _  

From: Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

All your base are belong to us.

 

From: Bill Songstad (WCUL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

Skool is grate too yeeers ago I couldn't evn spell enjineer.  Now I is one!

 

Bill Songstad

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

 

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and.

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right,
as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red).

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

M-W says "hung" is acceptable:

   http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hanged

When referring to me, its always "hung".


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Za Vue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> What is the proper way to use the word hang when referring to a HUMAN?
>
>
>
> He was hung yesterday  or he was hang yesterday?  My grade teacher said you
> never use the past tense when hanging humans.
>
>
>
> -Z.V.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

lol

I see many hung jokes in this lists near future.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Bill Songstad (WCUL)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> A man can be hung until dead.  A woman cannot.  When one is executed by
> hanging, they have been hanged.
>
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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RE: grammer question

[Tom Strader]

It actually should be,
 
"grab Andy or myself".
 
Damn, that sounds to GAY to repeat.



From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question



I was always taught your reference to yourself should be last. A better
sounding response would have been Andy or myself but that doesn't follow
some peoples qualifier of leaving the other person out.

 

John W. Cook

System Administrator

Partnership For Strong Families

315 SE 2nd Ave

Gainesville, Fl 32601

Office (352) 393-2741 x320

Cell (352) 215-6944

Fax (352) 393-2746

MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

 

From: Kent, Larry CTR USA IMCOM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

"me or Andy" is correct..Shazaam!

 



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 
 
 

 

 






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RE: grammer question

[Alex Eckelberry]

"Grab Andy or me" is the correct usage. 
 
Any reference to yourself is always at the end of a series.   Examples:
Bill, John and I went to the beach.  He hit Jim and me. 
 
As far as "I" vs. "me" goes, an informal approach is to delete the
reference to the other person and see if it works.  In this case, "I" is
certainly not the correct usage. 
 
If you're curious, the technical reason is that "me" is objective case
(like "whom"), vs. "I", which is always subjective case.   Objective
pronouns receive an action.  You throw a ball to "me" or "him".
Subjective case pronouns act as a subject.   "I" threw the ball. 
 
HTH,
 
 
Alex
 
 




From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question



In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 






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Use a GPO to setup a non-existent proxy, remove the appropriate tab from the
Internet Settings applet, whitelist only those sites you want him to have
access to.


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> I have a user that can¹t play by the rules.
> WellŠ more than the others.
> He can only use one computer, and it¹s for ordering parts and checking the
> company email. (Hosted off-site). I need a program that I can monitor
> remotely, that can restrict internet usage to ³approved² sites, and that is
> low on the price. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.
>  
> Chris
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Re: grammer question

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Sure:  see - arr - aye - pee

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Bob Fronk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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>
> But can you spell MCSE?
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> Bob Fronk
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>
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>
> From: Bill Songstad (WCUL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:02 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: grammer question
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>
>
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> Skool is grate too yeeers ago I couldn't evn spell enjineer.  Now I is one!
>
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>
> Bill Songstad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: grammer question
>
>
>
> In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
> mailed out this sentence:
>
>
>
> When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and…
>
>
>
> My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right,
> as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)…
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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Joe Heaton]

You are correct Andrew.
 
Joe Heaton
 



From: Andrew Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammar question (v.2.0)



A picture is hung, a person is hanged.

 

That or I was lied to in school.

 

Andrew Greene
Webmaster
City of Anderson
120 E Main St., Anderson, IN 46018
765-648-5947

From: Za Vue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

 

What is the proper way to use the word hang when referring to a HUMAN?

 

He was hung yesterday  or he was hang yesterday?  My grade teacher said
you never use the past tense when hanging humans.

 

-Z.V.

 

 






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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Scot Parsons]

It would be incorrect to say she was hung.

From: Za Vue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

What is the proper way to use the word hang when referring to a HUMAN?

He was hung yesterday  or he was hang yesterday?  My grade teacher said you 
never use the past tense when hanging humans.

-Z.V.




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Internet Restrictions

[Christopher J. Bosak]

I have a user that can't play by the rules.

Well. more than the others.

He can only use one computer, and it's for ordering parts and checking the
company email. (Hosted off-site). I need a program that I can monitor
remotely, that can restrict internet usage to "approved" sites, and that is
low on the price. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

 

Chris

 

 

 


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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Bill Songstad (WCUL)]

A man can be hung until dead.  A woman cannot.  When one is executed by
hanging, they have been hanged.

 

Bill 

 

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RE: grammer question

[Scot Parsons]

I know what you mean.

And the boss is right, but the HR dept. is going to send him to sexual 
harassment school for using "grab".

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

Yea.. too used to typing PSS for Microsoft support when responding to the 
list...


Bob Fronk



From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

It's p.p.s., not p.s.s.

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

My one room school taught that if you could drop the other person off the 
sentence and it still sounds right, then it is correct.

So, that being said, it would be "...grab me" not "...grab I".

So the boss shows why they are boss.

(ps;  my school really had two rooms)

(pss:  where exactly are you asking them to grab you?)

Bob Fronk



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss mailed 
out this sentence:

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right, as 
he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)...

Thanks,

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook





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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Andrew Greene]

A picture is hung, a person is hanged.

 

That or I was lied to in school.

 

Andrew Greene
Webmaster
City of Anderson
120 E Main St., Anderson, IN 46018
765-648-5947

From: Za Vue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

 

What is the proper way to use the word hang when referring to a HUMAN?

 

He was hung yesterday  or he was hang yesterday?  My grade teacher said
you never use the past tense when hanging humans.

 

-Z.V.

 

 

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RE: grammer question

[Scot Parsons]

...and it should be in CAPS.

From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

It's p.p.s., not p.s.s.

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

My one room school taught that if you could drop the other person off the 
sentence and it still sounds right, then it is correct.

So, that being said, it would be "...grab me" not "...grab I".

So the boss shows why they are boss.

(ps;  my school really had two rooms)

(pss:  where exactly are you asking them to grab you?)

Bob Fronk



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss mailed 
out this sentence:

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right, as 
he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)...

Thanks,

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook





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RE: grammer question

[Miller Bonnie L .]

All your base are belong to us.

From: Bill Songstad (WCUL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

Skool is grate too yeeers ago I couldn't evn spell enjineer.  Now I is one!

Bill Songstad
-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss mailed 
out this sentence:

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right, as 
he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)...

Thanks,

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook








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RE: grammar question (v.2.0)

[Za Vue]

What is the proper way to use the word hang when referring to a HUMAN?
 
He was hung yesterday  or he was hang yesterday?  My grade teacher said you
never use the past tense when hanging humans.
 
-Z.V.

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RE: grammer question

[Joe Heaton]

Depends on whether me or Andy is the subject of the sentence, or an
object.  If it's the subject, then the grammatically correct form would
be Andy or I.  If it's simply an object, then the grammatically correct
form would be Andy or me.
 
http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/pronoun.asp
 
http://homeworktips.about.com/od/homeworkhelp/a/iandme.htm
 
Which means that Vicky was on the right track with her reply.  Remove
the other person and make it sound right...
 
Hope this helps,
 
Joe Heaton
 



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question



In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 






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RE: grammer question

[Bob Fronk]

But can you spell MCSE?

 

Bob Fronk

 

 

 

From: Bill Songstad (WCUL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

Skool is grate too yeeers ago I couldn't evn spell enjineer.  Now I is
one!

 

Bill Songstad

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

 

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 

 

 



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RE: grammer question

[Salvador Manzo]

Darn you all, I started looking these forms up now.  The only cases used
as samples, however, are where both people are referred to as personal
pronouns (me or him), or where the FIRST person is referred to by name
and the second person is referred to by a personal pronoun.  I've not
found any samples where the personal pronoun comes first yet.

 

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/cases.htm



From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

I was always taught your reference to yourself should be last. A better
sounding response would have been Andy or myself but that doesn't follow
some peoples qualifier of leaving the other person out.

 

John W. Cook

System Administrator

Partnership For Strong Families

315 SE 2nd Ave

Gainesville, Fl 32601

Office (352) 393-2741 x320

Cell (352) 215-6944

Fax (352) 393-2746

MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

 

From: Kent, Larry CTR USA IMCOM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

"me or Andy" is correct..Shazaam!

 



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 

 

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RE: grammer question

[Bob Fronk]

Yea.. too used to typing PSS for Microsoft support when responding to
the list... 

 

 

Bob Fronk

 

 

 

From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

It's p.p.s., not p.s.s. 

 

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

 

My one room school taught that if you could drop the other person off
the sentence and it still sounds right, then it is correct. 

 

So, that being said, it would be "...grab me" not "...grab I".

 

So the boss shows why they are boss.

 

(ps;  my school really had two rooms)

 

(pss:  where exactly are you asking them to grab you?)

 

Bob Fronk

 

 

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

 

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 

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RE: grammer question

[Bill Songstad (WCUL)]

Skool is grate too yeeers ago I couldn't evn spell enjineer.  Now I is
one!

 

Bill Songstad

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

 

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss
mailed out this sentence:

 

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

 

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's
right, as he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very
red)...

 

Thanks, 

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  

 

 

 

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RE: grammer question

[Scot Parsons]

It's p.p.s., not p.s.s.

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: grammer question

My one room school taught that if you could drop the other person off the 
sentence and it still sounds right, then it is correct.

So, that being said, it would be "...grab me" not "...grab I".

So the boss shows why they are boss.

(ps;  my school really had two rooms)

(pss:  where exactly are you asking them to grab you?)

Bob Fronk



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: grammer question

In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss mailed 
out this sentence:

When someone is out, please grab me or Andy and...

My point was it should be "Andy or I" in this particular use.  Who's right, as 
he just called me Gomer (he's from Ohio and my neck is very red)...

Thanks,

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook





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Re: grammer question

[Salvador Manzo]

Remind me to have words with my grade school teachers should I ever see
them 


On 2/26/08 10:54 AM, "Bob Fronk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My one room school taught that if you could drop the other person off the
> sentence and it still sounds right, then it is correct.
>  
> So, that being said, it would be ³Šgrab me² not ³Šgrab I².
>  
> So the boss shows why they are boss.
>  
> (ps;  my school really had two rooms)
>  
> (pss:  where exactly are you asking them to grab you?)
>  
> 
> Bob Fronk
>  
>  
>  
> 
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: grammer question
>  
> In an argument with my boss on a totally nonproductive point.  My boss mailed
> out this sentence:
>  
> When someone is out, please grab me or Andy andŠ
>  
> My point was it should be ³Andy or I² in this particular use.  Who¹s right, as
> he just called me Gomer (he¹s from Ohio and my neck is very red)Š
>  
> Thanks, 
>  
> 
> Shook
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>  
>  
>  
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> viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility
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> to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his
> own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he
> violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
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