RE: Email Archiving
PST's were created by the devil. They are so hard to manage and when people mess them up they look at you like you are at fault. If you are not using them now please do not start. I would do as you suggested, go with an archiving solution. What most solutions do is after a certain age, they move the email off to another server and leave a pointer in Exchange. Then when the user clicks to open the email it knows where it is and opens it from the second server. You can even import PST's into Exchange and the software will see the date and move them over the next time it runs an archive. I have used Enterprise Vault before and found it a pretty good product. Freed me up from having to manage PST's which I believe are evil. Fine for the home user that has to use POP3 but awful in a corporate environment. There are many solutions out there. You will have to do some research and find which one works best in your environment. IMHO.YMMV.. http://www.symantec.com/business/products/overview.jsp?pcid=2244pvid=32 2_1 Also Ed Crowley has a few things to say about PST's. Link will wrap. http://www.swinc.com/resources/exchange/faq_db.asp?status=questionsfaqI D=1000faqname=Exchange%205.5sectionID=1013sectionName=Why%20PST%20=%2 0BAD Mark From: Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 June 2008 19:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email Archiving Why not just use Outlooks archiving? Archive it to their local machines, attach as a PST and every once in a while put a copy on the server for safe keeping. Cheers! Cameron From: Chris Ruci [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Email Archiving Hey Everyone, I have a question I need help with. Currently we have Exchange 2003 Enterprise and we are cleaning up our mail storage. We have had dynamic growth in the past 2 years and our database has grown from 40gb to over 120gb. We are going through and creating new stores and storage groups to alleviate some of the stress on the databases but I still have a few users that are at 10-20GB each in their mailboxes. I try to get them to clean it up and delete some unneeded items but due to healthcare vulnerable emails they will not. Since it is the President, CEO, COO...my hands are tied. Does anyone know of an easy solution to archive their emails and make them easily accessible. Of course I know of all the email archiving applications at an enterprise level and I am currently looking at a few but I need something for these few mailboxes rather quickly. Any ideas you can throw at me would be appreciated. Christos Ruci Manager, Management Information Systems __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email is sent for and on behalf of Inspop.com Limited ** Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Registration no. 310635. Inspop.com Limited (also trading as Confused.com) is registered in England and Wales at 2nd Floor, Friary House, Greyfriars Road, Cardiff, CF10 3AE (Reg. No. 03857130 ). Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Information Security Officer by telephone on +44 (0) 29 2043 4200. Please then delete this email and destroy any copies of it. This email has been swept for viruses before leaving our system. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and accept this lack of security when emailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and any attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. We may monitor the content of E-mails sent and received via our network for viruses or unauthorised use and for other lawful business purposes. This e-mail has
RE: Email Archiving
I'd say that prior to the advent of the current generation of cheap, mass, centralised storage, this type of option was not cost-effective for some organisations (especially those that let PSTs get out of control). But now, with the option of some very attractive NAS and iSCSI SAN storage options that using SATA disks, I think more orgs should be looking at this. Cheers Ken From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 11:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email Archiving PST's were created by the devil. They are so hard to manage and when people mess them up they look at you like you are at fault. If you are not using them now please do not start. I would do as you suggested, go with an archiving solution. What most solutions do is after a certain age, they move the email off to another server and leave a pointer in Exchange. Then when the user clicks to open the email it knows where it is and opens it from the second server. You can even import PST's into Exchange and the software will see the date and move them over the next time it runs an archive. I have used Enterprise Vault before and found it a pretty good product. Freed me up from having to manage PST's which I believe are evil. Fine for the home user that has to use POP3 but awful in a corporate environment. There are many solutions out there. You will have to do some research and find which one works best in your environment.IMHO.YMMV.. http://www.symantec.com/business/products/overview.jsp?pcid=2244pvid=322_1 Also Ed Crowley has a few things to say about PST's. Link will wrap. http://www.swinc.com/resources/exchange/faq_db.asp?status=questionsfaqID=1000faqname=Exchange%205.5sectionID=1013sectionName=Why%20PST%20=%20BAD Mark From: Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 June 2008 19:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email Archiving Why not just use Outlooks archiving? Archive it to their local machines, attach as a PST and every once in a while put a copy on the server for safe keeping. Cheers! Cameron From: Chris Ruci [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Email Archiving Hey Everyone, I have a question I need help with. Currently we have Exchange 2003 Enterprise and we are cleaning up our mail storage. We have had dynamic growth in the past 2 years and our database has grown from 40gb to over 120gb. We are going through and creating new stores and storage groups to alleviate some of the stress on the databases but I still have a few users that are at 10-20GB each in their mailboxes. I try to get them to clean it up and delete some unneeded items but due to healthcare vulnerable emails they will not. Since it is the President, CEO, COO...my hands are tied. Does anyone know of an easy solution to archive their emails and make them easily accessible. Of course I know of all the email archiving applications at an enterprise level and I am currently looking at a few but I need something for these few mailboxes rather quickly. Any ideas you can throw at me would be appreciated. Christos Ruci Manager, Management Information Systems __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email is sent for and on behalf of Inspop.com Limited ** Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Registration no. 310635. Inspop.com Limited (also trading as Confused.com) is registered in England and Wales at 2nd Floor, Friary House, Greyfriars Road, Cardiff, CF10 3AE (Reg. No. 03857130 ). Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Information Security Officer by telephone on +44 (0) 29 2043 4200. Please then delete this email and destroy any copies of it. This email has been swept for viruses before leaving our system. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and accept this lack of
RE: Email Archiving
Chris It -sounds- like you have compliancy issues seeing you are in the health care business as well as storage problems. You really should check out our exchange archiver. It solved both problems at a lot less cost that Vault. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/Business/Sunbelt-Exchange-Archiver// Warm regards, Stu From: Chris Ruci [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Email Archiving Hey Everyone, I have a question I need help with. Currently we have Exchange 2003 Enterprise and we are cleaning up our mail storage. We have had dynamic growth in the past 2 years and our database has grown from 40gb to over 120gb. We are going through and creating new stores and storage groups to alleviate some of the stress on the databases but I still have a few users that are at 10-20GB each in their mailboxes. I try to get them to clean it up and delete some unneeded items but due to healthcare vulnerable emails they will not. Since it is the President, CEO, COO...my hands are tied. Does anyone know of an easy solution to archive their emails and make them easily accessible. Of course I know of all the email archiving applications at an enterprise level and I am currently looking at a few but I need something for these few mailboxes rather quickly. Any ideas you can throw at me would be appreciated. Christos Ruci Manager, Management Information Systems ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Email Archiving
I'm seeing a number of companies get themselves in trouble by assuming that JBOD is going to give them the same level of performance as enterprise class disk. Which, of course, it isn't. However, given that (as always) you size your arrays properly, I really like iscsi NAS. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email Archiving I'd say that prior to the advent of the current generation of cheap, mass, centralised storage, this type of option was not cost-effective for some organisations (especially those that let PSTs get out of control). But now, with the option of some very attractive NAS and iSCSI SAN storage options that using SATA disks, I think more orgs should be looking at this. Cheers Ken From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 11:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email Archiving PST's were created by the devil. They are so hard to manage and when people mess them up they look at you like you are at fault. If you are not using them now please do not start. I would do as you suggested, go with an archiving solution. What most solutions do is after a certain age, they move the email off to another server and leave a pointer in Exchange. Then when the user clicks to open the email it knows where it is and opens it from the second server. You can even import PST's into Exchange and the software will see the date and move them over the next time it runs an archive. I have used Enterprise Vault before and found it a pretty good product. Freed me up from having to manage PST's which I believe are evil. Fine for the home user that has to use POP3 but awful in a corporate environment. There are many solutions out there. You will have to do some research and find which one works best in your environment.IMHO.YMMV.. http://www.symantec.com/business/products/overview.jsp?pcid=2244 http://www.symantec.com/business/products/overview.jsp?pcid=2244pvid=322_1 pvid=322_1 Also Ed Crowley has a few things to say about PST's. Link will wrap. http://www.swinc.com/resources/exchange/faq_db.asp?status=questions http://www.swinc.com/resources/exchange/faq_db.asp?status=questionsfaqID=1 000faqname=Exchange%205.5sectionID=1013sectionName=Why%20PST%20=%20BAD faqID=1000faqname=Exchange%205.5sectionID=1013sectionName=Why%20PST%20=% 20BAD Mark From: Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 June 2008 19:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email Archiving Why not just use Outlooks archiving? Archive it to their local machines, attach as a PST and every once in a while put a copy on the server for safe keeping. Cheers! Cameron _ From: Chris Ruci [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Email Archiving Hey Everyone, I have a question I need help with. Currently we have Exchange 2003 Enterprise and we are cleaning up our mail storage. We have had dynamic growth in the past 2 years and our database has grown from 40gb to over 120gb. We are going through and creating new stores and storage groups to alleviate some of the stress on the databases but I still have a few users that are at 10-20GB each in their mailboxes. I try to get them to clean it up and delete some unneeded items but due to healthcare vulnerable emails they will not. Since it is the President, CEO, COO.my hands are tied. Does anyone know of an easy solution to archive their emails and make them easily accessible. Of course I know of all the email archiving applications at an enterprise level and I am currently looking at a few but I need something for these few mailboxes rather quickly. Any ideas you can throw at me would be appreciated. Christos Ruci Manager, Management Information Systems __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email is sent for and on behalf of Inspop.com Limited ** Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Registration no. 310635. Inspop.com Limited (also trading as Confused.com) is registered in England and Wales at 2nd Floor, Friary House, Greyfriars Road, Cardiff, CF10 3AE (Reg. No. 03857130 ). Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded
SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, given that (as always) you size your arrays properly, I really like iscsi NAS. What benefit do you get from an iSCSI NAS, vs. an iSCSI SAN? I ask because we're looking at iSCSI SANs right now for our VMWare infrastructure, and also for Exchange (2k3) archiving We're taking a close look at the Datacore software offering, and Lefthand, though the Datacore looks better on long-term costs. Is there anyone here who can speak to Datacore offerings - I know several of you are partisans of Lefthand? Kurt ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving
I think either: a) Many, many iSCSI SAN systems are multi-transport and/or multi-protocol and speak (among others) Fiber Channel, FTP, NFS and SMB/CIFS, and he has one b) He was being slightly dyslexic when he wrote that, even the best of us can be like that :p Kurt Buff wrote: What benefit do you get from an iSCSI NAS, vs. an iSCSI SAN? -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving
Heh. On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think either: a) Many, many iSCSI SAN systems are multi-transport and/or multi-protocol and speak (among others) Fiber Channel, FTP, NFS and SMB/CIFS, and he has one b) He was being slightly dyslexic when he wrote that, even the best of us can be like that :p Kurt Buff wrote: What benefit do you get from an iSCSI NAS, vs. an iSCSI SAN? -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving
Keep it basic. SAN - Block level access. Databases, Exchange, VMware, LUN. NAS - File level access. Network sharing, CIFS. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, given that (as always) you size your arrays properly, I really like iscsi NAS. What benefit do you get from an iSCSI NAS, vs. an iSCSI SAN? I ask because we're looking at iSCSI SANs right now for our VMWare infrastructure, and also for Exchange (2k3) archiving We're taking a close look at the Datacore software offering, and Lefthand, though the Datacore looks better on long-term costs. Is there anyone here who can speak to Datacore offerings - I know several of you are partisans of Lefthand? Kurt ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving
Indeed. Whatever solution you look at, it should be multi protocol. NAS and SAN. You don't want to get stuck in one or the other. You want both. Even if you won't need one now. -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 3:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving I think either: a) Many, many iSCSI SAN systems are multi-transport and/or multi-protocol and speak (among others) Fiber Channel, FTP, NFS and SMB/CIFS, and he has one b) He was being slightly dyslexic when he wrote that, even the best of us can be like that :p Kurt Buff wrote: What benefit do you get from an iSCSI NAS, vs. an iSCSI SAN? -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving
Understand that difference, but he stated a preference, and if he didn't simply misspeak (mistype?), I want to know the basis for the preference. On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep it basic. SAN - Block level access. Databases, Exchange, VMware, LUN. NAS - File level access. Network sharing, CIFS. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN vs. NAS, and all that - was: Re: Email Archiving On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, given that (as always) you size your arrays properly, I really like iscsi NAS. What benefit do you get from an iSCSI NAS, vs. an iSCSI SAN? I ask because we're looking at iSCSI SANs right now for our VMWare infrastructure, and also for Exchange (2k3) archiving We're taking a close look at the Datacore software offering, and Lefthand, though the Datacore looks better on long-term costs. Is there anyone here who can speak to Datacore offerings - I know several of you are partisans of Lefthand? Kurt ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
