RE: Firewall for home users
I use IPCop and it's a great way to recycle old computers. If you're spending more than about $50 for a home router/security box and you have old boxes available at no cost, it's actually less expensive, the extra electricity the IPcop box uses is about $15-$20/year. Addons allow scanning using ClamAV and blocking of bad sites using DansGuardian. I wish electricity was that cheap in the UK :-( The information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). The information in this communication may be confidential and/or legally privileged. Nothing in this e-mail is intended to conclude a contract on behalf of QinetiQ or make QinetiQ subject to any other legally binding commitments, unless the e-mail contains an express statement to the contrary or incorporates a formal Purchase Order. For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. Emails and other electronic communication with QinetiQ may be monitored and recorded for business purposes including security, audit and archival purposes. Any response to this email indicates consent to this. Telephone calls to QinetiQ may be monitored or recorded for quality control, security and other business purposes. QinetiQ Limited Registered in England Wales: Company Number:3796233 Registered office: 85 Buckingham Gate, London SW1E 6PD, United Kingdom Trading address: Cody Technology Park, Cody Building, Ively Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX, United Kingdom http://www.QinetiQ.com/home/legal.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Active Directory group memberships
Can't seem to find the right words for this query in Google - is there any way in Active Directory to set two security groups so that a user can only ever be a member of one of them? TIA, JRR ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Dell Vostro 1000
Beware it is not available in all states. Florida for some reason will not let us buy it but if it were available I know I would. I have seen too many times with the user eating at their desk and spilling in the keyboard to not want it. Jon On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll third the complete care. I recommend it to *everyone*. Most home users balk at the cost, but it only takes one orange juice incident (named after my sister who spilled her morning OJ in her Inspiron with just the basic warranty - Dell wanted as much as a new one to fix it) for them to see the light of day. In educational settings I've seen Dell fix intentional damage inflicted by students - I don't think they'll cover that on machines sold through small business. Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] previously uttered: And like bob said, complete care is a must with laptops. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Windows Login delay when wireless card is enabled
Glad to hear. Has happened to me a few times. Mark -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2008 18:49 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows Login delay when wireless card is enabled Thanks Mark. This was the solution. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows Login delay when wireless card is enabled Can you disable the wireless card in the docked profile? This will stop the logon process using the wireless card at all during logon in the office. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email is sent for and on behalf of Inspop.com Limited ** Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Registration no. 310635. Inspop.com Limited (also trading as Confused.com) is registered in England and Wales at 2nd Floor, Friary House, Greyfriars Road, Cardiff, CF10 3AE (Reg. No. 03857130 ). Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Information Security Officer by telephone on +44 (0) 29 2043 4200. Please then delete this email and destroy any copies of it. This email has been swept for viruses before leaving our system. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and accept this lack of security when emailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and any attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. We may monitor the content of E-mails sent and received via our network for viruses or unauthorised use and for other lawful business purposes. This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Messagelabs. The service is powered by MessageLabs. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
I have 5 VMWare guests on two separate servers that are used for testing and do not change that much. I run have scheduled a script to shut them down every Sunday and then use BE to back up the whole host then use a script to power them backup again. So if someone blows one up I can just restore the VMWare files and attach them to the host. Mark From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2008 01:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email is sent for and on behalf of Inspop.com Limited ** Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Registration no. 310635. Inspop.com Limited (also trading as Confused.com) is registered in England and Wales at 2nd Floor, Friary House, Greyfriars Road, Cardiff, CF10 3AE (Reg. No. 03857130 ). Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Information Security Officer by telephone on +44 (0) 29 2043 4200. Please then delete this email and destroy any copies of it. This email has been swept for viruses before leaving our system. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and accept this lack of security when emailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and any attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. We may monitor the content of E-mails sent and received via our network for viruses or unauthorised use and for other lawful business purposes. This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Messagelabs. The service is powered by MessageLabs. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Daily Report Failed
ODBC--connection to 'VMFGODBC' failed. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Daily Report Failed
I am sorry. I know how much these personal failings mean. Perhaps it can be fixed? From: Dan Bowlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Daily Report Failed ODBC--connection to 'VMFGODBC' failed. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
CAL question
Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Daily Report Failed
Sorry, automation glitch, please ignore. -Original Message- From: Dan Bowlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Daily Report Failed ODBC--connection to 'VMFGODBC' failed. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
No, you are creating users, therefore each one needs an XP cal and an Exchange cal. If they all log on with a generic account, then you can license the device. S From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
I only buy device CALs, so that is my understanding as well. But a quick call to MS would verify. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Daily Report Failed
Remind me the PineApp _ From: Dan Bowlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Daily Report Failed Sorry, automation glitch, please ignore. -Original Message- From: Dan Bowlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Daily Report Failed ODBC--connection to 'VMFGODBC' failed. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
VM naming convention
Quick question to you vmware workstation guys. We have decided to use workstation for a few of our engineering power users. We've always used the machine asset number in the naming convention to maintain uniqueness. If we do that with the VMs (ie - 12345vm1) then the number will be wrong when the vm is transported into then next host. On my setup I use the OS description (ie - S2K3x32Stnd_VM1), but these aren't joined to the domain either. What do you guys do? Thanks, Dennis ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
Backup up your statement with links please. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 859.321.4442 From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question No, you are creating users, therefore each one needs an XP cal and an Exchange cal. If they all log on with a generic account, then you can license the device. S From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: VM naming convention
For all our dev guys that have local VM's we name then jdoeVM001 jdoeVM002 etc... since we join them to the domain this lets us know that theyre virtual and who they belong to, that way if we give them a new desktop naming still works -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VM naming convention Quick question to you vmware workstation guys. We have decided to use workstation for a few of our engineering power users. We've always used the machine asset number in the naming convention to maintain uniqueness. If we do that with the VMs (ie - 12345vm1) then the number will be wrong when the vm is transported into then next host. On my setup I use the OS description (ie - S2K3x32Stnd_VM1), but these aren't joined to the domain either. What do you guys do? Thanks, Dennis ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do.and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/caloverview.ms px From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: . Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. . Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: VM naming convention
That's what we do too - physical boxes get the asset tag in the name and VMs are just sequentially numbered per user if they have more than 1. - Andy O. -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VM naming convention For all our dev guys that have local VM's we name then jdoeVM001 jdoeVM002 etc... since we join them to the domain this lets us know that theyre virtual and who they belong to, that way if we give them a new desktop naming still works -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VM naming convention Quick question to you vmware workstation guys. We have decided to use workstation for a few of our engineering power users. We've always used the machine asset number in the naming convention to maintain uniqueness. If we do that with the VMs (ie - 12345vm1) then the number will be wrong when the vm is transported into then next host. On my setup I use the OS description (ie - S2K3x32Stnd_VM1), but these aren't joined to the domain either. What do you guys do? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie w.mspx From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: * Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. * Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Dell Vostro 1000
Too many orange juice incidents there I guess. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beware it is not available in all states. Florida for some reason will not let us buy it but if it were available I know I would. I have seen too many times with the user eating at their desk and spilling in the keyboard to not want it. Jon On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll third the complete care. I recommend it to *everyone*. Most home users balk at the cost, but it only takes one orange juice incident (named after my sister who spilled her morning OJ in her Inspiron with just the basic warranty - Dell wanted as much as a new one to fix it) for them to see the light of day. In educational settings I've seen Dell fix intentional damage inflicted by students - I don't think they'll cover that on machines sold through small business. Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] previously uttered: And like bob said, complete care is a must with laptops. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- ME2 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs
To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server – a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process – and it's running well. Now… what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Dell Vostro 1000
More likely something to do with it maybe a form of Insurance and that is highly regulated and treated in an adversarial manner. Especially after the year with multiple hurricanes hitting us. A lot of the companies did not have the reserves to pay out and their customers took a bath. Jon On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too many orange juice incidents there I guess. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beware it is not available in all states. Florida for some reason will not let us buy it but if it were available I know I would. I have seen too many times with the user eating at their desk and spilling in the keyboard to not want it. Jon On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll third the complete care. I recommend it to *everyone*. Most home users balk at the cost, but it only takes one orange juice incident (named after my sister who spilled her morning OJ in her Inspiron with just the basic warranty - Dell wanted as much as a new one to fix it) for them to see the light of day. In educational settings I've seen Dell fix intentional damage inflicted by students - I don't think they'll cover that on machines sold through small business. Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] previously uttered: And like bob said, complete care is a must with laptops. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- ME2 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
Only if they are powered up and live though. If powered down they are just another file/folder sitting on the host system. Also purchased Ranger here. I couldn't get BE to work with VCB backups. From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs have always been appropriate. This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially using it. Thanks for everyone's' input. Bob From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie w.mspx From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: * Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. * Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
It sounds like you only need device CAL(s) for this remote PC. Windows 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the domain Exchange 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the Exchange server Office 2003 Device CAL - if the users will be running Office From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question 99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs have always been appropriate. This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially using it. Thanks for everyone's' input. Bob From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie w.mspx From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: * Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. * Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
We have Core Cal + Office, so we are good. Thanks. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question It sounds like you only need device CAL(s) for this remote PC. Windows 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the domain Exchange 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the Exchange server Office 2003 Device CAL - if the users will be running Office From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question 99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs have always been appropriate. This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially using it. Thanks for everyone's' input. Bob From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie w.mspx From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: * Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. * Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs
How would you grab a file off the host with BE even if it is powered down? On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Eldridge, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if they are powered up and live though. If powered down they are just another file/folder sitting on the host system. Also purchased Ranger here. I couldn't get BE to work with VCB backups. *From:* mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:03 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server – a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process – and it's running well. Now… what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
I am assuming the host is running server 2003 with VMServer and the one BE agent installed on it. The vm's are powered down so they would be accessible like any other file/folder on that server. From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs How would you grab a file off the host with BE even if it is powered down? On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Eldridge, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if they are powered up and live though. If powered down they are just another file/folder sitting on the host system. Also purchased Ranger here. I couldn't get BE to work with VCB backups. From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: VM naming convention
As silly as it sounds. Name them from characters in the Matrix. That way we know they're not a Real World machine. Yeah, I'm weird... but it works. Christopher J. Bosak Vector Company c. 847.603.4673 [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue. - B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 08:21 hrs To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VM naming convention Quick question to you vmware workstation guys. We have decided to use workstation for a few of our engineering power users. We've always used the machine asset number in the naming convention to maintain uniqueness. If we do that with the VMs (ie - 12345vm1) then the number will be wrong when the vm is transported into then next host. On my setup I use the OS description (ie - S2K3x32Stnd_VM1), but these aren't joined to the domain either. What do you guys do? Thanks, Dennis ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
KMS question
I'm trying to get my head around this and reading has me even more confused than when I started. We have a server 08 machine which is activated using the server 08 kms key. I'm trying to use this same server as the KMS host for our Vista clients. The docs say to install the KMS keys only on kms hosts, not clients. No matter what I do, I can't get the vista KMS key to install on the server 08 machine. I run the cscript \windows\system32\slmgr.vbs /ipk vista-kms-key, all 25 characters with dashes and it tells me the license key was not installed. The error is 0x2a 0xc004f015 Slui with that error doesn't give any useful info. I don't see any reference that I can install more than one key on any KMS host. Am I going to have to set up a second KMS server and only add the vista key to it? Am I totally misunderstanding something or should I call MS and make sure the keys are valid? Call me confused. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs
Oh that is completely different. I did not read his post specifically. You are right. I am thinking of ESX On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, mqcarp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you grab a file off the host with BE even if it is powered down? On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Eldridge, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Only if they are powered up and live though. If powered down they are just another file/folder sitting on the host system. Also purchased Ranger here. I couldn't get BE to work with VCB backups. *From:* mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:03 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server – a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process – and it's running well. Now… what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs
Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server – a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process – and it's running well. Now… what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
I had to double check that also. Roger I would have thought vmserver would have had parts of the vmdk files locked open if the vm was running. I guess not. From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Oh that is completely different. I did not read his post specifically. You are right. I am thinking of ESX On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, mqcarp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you grab a file off the host with BE even if it is powered down? On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Eldridge, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if they are powered up and live though. If powered down they are just another file/folder sitting on the host system. Also purchased Ranger here. I couldn't get BE to work with VCB backups. From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Blackberry level1 messages?
Hi, I would to set different notifications for internal (co-workers) vs. external (internet) email messages that arrive on my BB. I am guessing I'll have to tag all internal emails at level1 messages (or all external messages) as level1? Is this possible? Thx ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs
The Open file option is supposed to handle that, but I agree with Sam. Time for the disclaimerthis is not legal advice and should not be construed as such...yada...yada...yada On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server – a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process – and it's running well. Now… what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry level1 messages?
I use BBAlerts for different notifications (like more than one beep that there is a voicemail). I think it will do what you want. I am also pretty sure that REXwireless AlertMatrix will. http://www.rexwireless.com/amx-download.php Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry level1 messages? Hi, I would to set different notifications for internal (co-workers) vs. external (internet) email messages that arrive on my BB. I am guessing I'll have to tag all internal emails at level1 messages (or all external messages) as level1? Is this possible? Thx ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry level1 messages?
A couple of references on Level 1 messages: http://cbudd.com/bb/bbfaq.htm#e14 http://www.blackberryforums.com/general-8100-series-discussion-pearl/551 43-level-1-messages.html From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry level1 messages? Hi, I would to set different notifications for internal (co-workers) vs. external (internet) email messages that arrive on my BB. I am guessing I'll have to tag all internal emails at level1 messages (or all external messages) as level1? Is this possible? Thx ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Firewall for home users
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RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
Agree Roger. Either script a power down/up or manually power down and get a good backup. From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs The Open file option is supposed to handle that, but I agree with Sam. Time for the disclaimerthis is not legal advice and should not be construed as such...yada...yada...yada On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
I understand and good advice. I'm just thinking about using this on basic application servers without active databases, and even then, only as an secondary alternative to using the agent on each VM. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs
We have a similar setup (non critical servers on a vm guest with the free vmware server). I put the BE remote agent on the host server, not the guest. Then have the BE media server run a pre job script to shut down the VM, then backup the folder containing the VM, then run a post job script that defrags the Virt HDD and then powers it back on. This means I can use one agent license to backup all the guests, but the guest must be shutdown. Works for us. hth, Devin On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server – a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process – and it's running well. Now… what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. -- Devin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
That's what I do here with Ranger. I use agents to do daily backups and once a month or so I do complete vcb image backups that get stored off site. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs I understand and good advice. I'm just thinking about using this on basic application servers without active databases, and even then, only as an secondary alternative to using the agent on each VM. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
CDW Site...
Is anyone else experiencing the CDW extranet site being slow almost to the point of being unusable? I've noticed over the last couple days. Bill Lambert Windows System Administrator Concuity A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc. Phone 847-941-9206 Fax 847-465-9147 NASDAQ: TTPA The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.gif
RE: CDW Site...
Days??? Try months Slowest site I deal with... Well, close second to ATT Premier Wireless site. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CDW Site... Is anyone else experiencing the CDW extranet site being slow almost to the point of being unusable? I've noticed over the last couple days. Bill Lambert Windows System Administrator Concuity A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc. Phone 847-941-9206 Fax 847-465-9147 NASDAQ: TTPA The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.gif
Re: CDW Site...
slow slow...yes On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Days??? Try months…. Slowest site I deal with… Well, close second to ATT Premier Wireless site. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] *From:* Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:52 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* CDW Site... Is anyone else experiencing the CDW extranet site being slow almost to the point of being unusable? I've noticed over the last couple days. *Bill Lambert* *Windows System Administrator* *Concuity* *A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc. * *Phone 847-941-9206* *Fax 847-465-9147* ** *NASDAQ: TTPA*** *The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Thank you. *** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.gif
Re: CDW Site...
Qwest's "Qwest Control" has to take the cake for the slowest site. Click on a link, go home, come back in the AM, and it might be loaded. Bob Fronk wrote: Days??? Try months. Slowest site I deal with Well, close second to ATT Premier Wireless site. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CDW Site... Is anyone else experiencing the CDW extranet site being slow almost to the point of being unusable? Ive noticed over the last couple days. Bill Lambert Windows System Administrator Concuity A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc. Phone 847-941-9206 Fax 847-465-9147 NASDAQ: TTPA The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Thank you.
Re: CDW Site...
The CDWG.com site seems to be pretty quick to me. Jon On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:01 PM, mqcarp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: slow slow...yes On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Days??? Try months…. Slowest site I deal with… Well, close second to ATT Premier Wireless site. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] *From:* Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:52 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* CDW Site... Is anyone else experiencing the CDW extranet site being slow almost to the point of being unusable? I've noticed over the last couple days. *Bill Lambert* *Windows System Administrator* *Concuity* *A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc. * *Phone 847-941-9206* *Fax 847-465-9147* ** *NASDAQ: TTPA*** *The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Thank you. *** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.gif
RE: CDW Site...
Kind of slow to do the initial logon, and slow to do product lookups, however looking at order history and status and shipping info seems kind of ok at this second. -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CDW Site... Is anyone else experiencing the CDW extranet site being slow almost to the point of being unusable? I've noticed over the last couple days. Bill Lambert Windows System Administrator Concuity A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc. Phone 847-941-9206 Fax 847-465-9147 NASDAQ: TTPA The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
What this boils down to is a image vs file level backup. Products such as Vizioncore ESX vRanger do Image level and file level backups. Installing agent inside each VM does not guarantee recovery. This is not the preferred method because if you try to back up a bunch of VM's with agents installed you could have problems with CPU and memory on ESX host. The preferred method is setting up a backup proxy with VCB and the backup software of your choice that works with ESX. This allows for snapshots and fixes the open file problem. Also, this a LAN free backup wheras with an agent installed in each VM your are backing up over the network. Installing agent in host not recommeded either unless you have small number of VM's. Can adversely affect ESX host performance. Also have to maintain scripts with that method. Mike Original Message: - From: Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:29:45 -0400 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs I understand and good advice. I'm just thinking about using this on basic application servers without active databases, and even then, only as an secondary alternative to using the agent on each VM. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator
Re: Firewall for home users
LOL, indeed!!! Why would you be stating in an _email_ that _telephone_ calls to whatever may be monitored??? On 8/20/08, Mike Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's one heckuva sig dude. Wow. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Ames Matthew B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Firewall for home users I use IPCop and it's a great way to recycle old computers. If you're spending more than about $50 for a home router/security box and you have old boxes available at no cost, it's actually less expensive, the extra electricity the IPcop box uses is about $15-$20/year. Addons allow scanning using ClamAV and blocking of bad sites using DansGuardian. I wish electricity was that cheap in the UK :-( The information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). The information in this communication may be confidential and/or legally privileged. Nothing in this e-mail is intended to conclude a contract on behalf of QinetiQ or make QinetiQ subject to any other legally binding commitments, unless the e-mail contains an express statement to the contrary or incorporates a formal Purchase Order. For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. Emails and other electronic communication with QinetiQ may be monitored and recorded for business purposes including security, audit and archival purposes. Any response to this email indicates consent to this. Telephone calls to QinetiQ may be monitored or recorded for quality control, security and other business purposes. QinetiQ Limited Registered in England Wales: Company Number:3796233 Registered office: 85 Buckingham Gate, London SW1E 6PD, United Kingdom Trading address: Cody Technology Park, Cody Building, Ively Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX, United Kingdom http://www.QinetiQ.com/home/legal.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs
Dave we do standard backups and flat SQL back ups and DAILY Ranger back ups and DAILY replication. It is called paranoia... On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Eldridge, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I do here with Ranger. I use agents to do daily backups and once a month or so I do complete vcb image backups that get stored off site. *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs I understand and good advice. I'm just thinking about using this on basic application servers without active databases, and even then, only as an secondary alternative to using the agent on each VM. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:51 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server – a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process – and it's running well. Now… what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
I guess so. J From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Dave we do standard backups and flat SQL back ups and DAILY Ranger back ups and DAILY replication. It is called paranoia... On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Eldridge, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I do here with Ranger. I use agents to do daily backups and once a month or so I do complete vcb image backups that get stored off site. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs I understand and good advice. I'm just thinking about using this on basic application servers without active databases, and even then, only as an secondary alternative to using the agent on each VM. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is
RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs
Roger, We were told that anything that would backup a VM directly would need to employ VSS snapshot for Exchange, SQL etc so as to ensure a good cleanup. Just backing up the VM files directly is essentially a crapshoot if it will be good when it powers back up. Not sure what does that out there currently, we install an agent on each VM to backup the server as though it were physical. From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs The Open file option is supposed to handle that, but I agree with Sam. Time for the disclaimerthis is not legal advice and should not be construed as such...yada...yada...yada On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a pretty 'harsh' way to copy a server. If there are databases or anything running on the guest, I would expect some corruption on a restore. It's the equivalent of unplugging a live server, and powering it back on again. I wouldn't do backup the virtual machines that way unless they are suspended. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs Yep, version 12 agents include the ability to capture open files. So then I should be good to go, right? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs Do you have the open file option for your BE? If so, then I see no reason why that would not work. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a test. Last night I backed up the Virtual Machines folder on the host box as part of my normal backup routine. The single VM was running at the time. This morning I deleted that entire folder and restored it from the backup. I was able to restart the VM without a problem. So it appears that recovery of VMs will be relatively easy as long as I don't require recovery of individual files within the VM. Am I missing something here? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: mqcarp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec 12 VMs To back up the VMDK files, you will need a different tool. I think BE has an option now for that, but we use RangerPro, which, as you said, basically encapsulates the VM and can spot restore the entire VM to any host. It is made by Vizioncore. They also make a vReplicator product to do live replication of VMs. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the agent on the host will not backup the .vm* files? It would seem that backing up these would allow for easier DR. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec 12 VMs if only 1 Guest, and if you have spare BE agent license, I would just throw the agent on the guest and back it up directly. Don't really ever need to backup the host. (Assuming all the host does is VMware Server). BE agents on the host can't backup guests out of the box. But they can, if you get creative and start sceduling/scripting snapshots/suspends. Worth investigating once you start getting more Guests running on one hosts. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec 12 VMs Okay, I've just deployed my first VM using VMware Server - a non-essential server so I could get a feel for the process - and it's running well. Now... what do I need to do to back up this and any future machines with Backup Exec? Does the host BE agent cover the guests or do I need to place an agent on each? Or is that only necessary if I wish to restore files/folders within the VM? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Firewall for home users
On 20 Aug 2008 at 15:09, Lenny Bensman wrote: LOL, indeed!!! On 8/20/08, Mike Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's one heckuva sig dude. Wow. Indeed ... 28 sig lines to match up with a one-line reply. What a HUGE waste of electrons, no WONDER British electricity is so expensive ... -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 +---+ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
On 20 Aug 2008 at 10:00, David Mazzaccaro wrote: WhicheverI have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users thancomputers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. ISTR you are locked into whichever one you start with. -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 +---+ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: VM naming convention
Current customer has country codesite codemachine codetype codeenvironment codeincrementing value e.g. au2104vp (Australia, Particular office, virtual machine, production, machine code) -vs- au2104dpAAAB (Australia, Particular office, domain controller, production, machine code) Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2008 1:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VM naming convention As silly as it sounds. Name them from characters in the Matrix. That way we know they're not a Real World machine. Yeah, I'm weird... but it works. Christopher J. Bosak Vector Company c. 847.603.4673 [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue. - B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 08:21 hrs To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VM naming convention Quick question to you vmware workstation guys. We have decided to use workstation for a few of our engineering power users. We've always used the machine asset number in the naming convention to maintain uniqueness. If we do that with the VMs (ie - 12345vm1) then the number will be wrong when the vm is transported into then next host. On my setup I use the OS description (ie - S2K3x32Stnd_VM1), but these aren't joined to the domain either. What do you guys do? Thanks, Dennis ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
