RE: windows phone 8

[Ken Schaefer]

Also, you have to change your settings to English (US) to get a bunch of apps 
to show up (e.g. AroundMe). I have always just assumed that this is because the 
developer has said that it supports English (US) rather than English 
(UK)/English (Australia)/English(Singapore)/English(…). Changing this setting, 
in turn, requires a reboot of your phone.

Cheers
Ken

From: rodtr...@myitforum.com [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 12:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have friends in the UK who have recently picked up the Lumias.  I’ll have to 
see what they think.

Sent from Windows Mail

From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: ‎November‎ ‎26‎, ‎2012 ‎7‎:‎47‎ ‎PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to 
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I look 
at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and 
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just 
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport, book 
taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor does Google Maps. Bing 
search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in every other 
country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main option on WP, 
instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one for work, one 
for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get these to work 
together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts - and 
this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial mode for 
all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck 
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>
>
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just 
> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
>


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RE: windows phone 8

[rodtrent]

I have friends in the UK who have recently picked up the Lumias.  I’ll have to 
see what they think.



Sent from Windows Mail


From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: ‎November‎ ‎26‎, ‎2012 ‎7‎:‎47‎ ‎PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8


If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to 
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I look 
at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and 
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just 
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport, book 
taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor does Google Maps. Bing 
search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in every other 
country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main option on WP, 
instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one for work, one 
for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get these to work 
together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts - and 
this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial mode for 
all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck 
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> 
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just 
> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
> 


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RE: windows phone 8

[Ken Schaefer]

If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to 
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I look 
at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and 
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just 
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport, book 
taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor does Google Maps. Bing 
search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in every other 
country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main option on WP, 
instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one for work, one 
for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get these to work 
together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts - and 
this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial mode for 
all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck 
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> 
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just 
> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
> 


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RE: windows phone 8

[Matthew W. Ross]

Sounds good. I hope I get the chance to play with one sometime.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Tim Vander Kooi
[mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
16:29:35 -0800
Subject: RE: windows phone 8


> I can tell you that from my POV the People Hub (instead of Contacts) is a
> much nicer way to interact with people. I show my friends with Android or
> iOS phones how you can post to someone's Facebook wall, post to Twitter
> regarding them, IM them, text them, call any number of phones that they
> might have and more all from one spot and they start drooling all over
> themselves. The built in family room and other rooms is awesome for anyone
> with kids. Yes, I know that you can setup shared calendars and such in
> Google and then access them from your phone, but the way that Windows Phone
> has it built in and configured makes it SO much nicer and easier to use.
> Accessing apps is much easier with Windows Phone and the intelligence behind
> typing on the Windows Phone keyboard is truly amazing. The WP intelligent
> typing does not just suggest spelling corrections like Google or Apple
> phones do, it actually looks at WHAT you are typing and suggests the next
> work based on the entire sentence and thoughts being typed. I have sent
> messages where I only had to type the first letter and then tap the words in
> the "auto-correct" line. After using that feature going back to my Android
> phone that I use for work is very much like picking up a chisel and piece of
> slate. Try it, you will be amazed, and it improves with use as it gets to
> know you. The speech typing is far superior to Android's also in my
> experience. There is a lot more to it, but those are a few of the biggies.
> Regards,
> Tim
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
> > tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
> > devices.  I feel liberated.
> 
> I'm curious: What's liberating?
> 
> I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am still
> using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP Touchpad
> with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.
> 
> What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Rod Trent
> [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
> 12:14:38 -0800
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> 
> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
> > tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
> > devices.  I feel liberated.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > 
> > I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the 
> > issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We 
> > went with different phones based on personal preference regarding size 
> > and feel and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks
> later.
> > I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for 
> > everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> > Tim
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > 
> > I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so 
> > give me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > 
> > Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and 
> > heavier and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 
> > in spec to the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day 
> > every day I might go down the HTC route ...
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > 
> > Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and 
> > hung screens.
> > 
> > The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just 
> > showed up an hour or so ago.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> > Sent: Mo

RE: windows phone 8

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I can tell you that from my POV the People Hub (instead of Contacts) is a much 
nicer way to interact with people. I show my friends with Android or iOS phones 
how you can post to someone's Facebook wall, post to Twitter regarding them, IM 
them, text them, call any number of phones that they might have and more all 
from one spot and they start drooling all over themselves. The built in family 
room and other rooms is awesome for anyone with kids. Yes, I know that you can 
setup shared calendars and such in Google and then access them from your phone, 
but the way that Windows Phone has it built in and configured makes it SO much 
nicer and easier to use. Accessing apps is much easier with Windows Phone and 
the intelligence behind typing on the Windows Phone keyboard is truly amazing. 
The WP intelligent typing does not just suggest spelling corrections like 
Google or Apple phones do, it actually looks at WHAT you are typing and 
suggests the next work based on the entire sentence and thoughts being typed. I 
have sent messages where I only had to type the first letter and then tap the 
words in the "auto-correct" line. After using that feature going back to my 
Android phone that I use for work is very much like picking up a chisel and 
piece of slate. Try it, you will be amazed, and it improves with use as it gets 
to know you. The speech typing is far superior to Android's also in my 
experience. There is a lot more to it, but those are a few of the biggies.
Regards,
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
> devices.  I feel liberated.

I'm curious: What's liberating?

I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am still 
using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP Touchpad 
with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.

What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Rod Trent
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
12:14:38 -0800
Subject: RE: windows phone 8


> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
> devices.  I feel liberated.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the 
> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We 
> went with different phones based on personal preference regarding size 
> and feel and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for 
> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> Tim
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so 
> give me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and 
> heavier and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 
> in spec to the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day 
> every day I might go down the HTC route ...
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and 
> hung screens.
> 
> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just 
> showed up an hour or so ago.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
> 
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> 
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
> 
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > From: Steven Peck 
> > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > 
> > 
> > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
> > b

Re: windows phone 8

[Matthew W. Ross]

Oops. I meant CM9. I typed 8. Can't wait for 10.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Andrew S. Baker
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
13:48:03 -0800
Subject: Re: windows phone 8


> Put CyanogenMod9 on that device, pronto. :)  My touchpad is loving it.
> 
> Android is quirky.  Not so bad when you get the pure variants, but because
> of the hardware differences, even rooting is awkward.  My Droid RAZR can't
> get a CyanogenMod9 or 10 for a while, and Eclipse, while a nice ROM, was
> missing some things I cared about.
> 
> My Verizon updates have made things slower than not, and they just released
> v4.0, so who knows when I'll even see v4.1 much less v4.2?
> 
> No thanks. The land of mobile anarchy is not for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *ASB*
> 
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* **
> 
> *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…*
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
> wrote:
> 
> > > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> > tablet
> > > for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel
> > > liberated.
> >
> > I'm curious: What's liberating?
> >
> > I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am
> > still using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP
> > Touchpad with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and
> ICS.
> >
> > What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Rod Trent
> > [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
> > 12:14:38 -0800
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> >
> > > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> > tablet
> > > for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel
> > > liberated.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> > issues
> > > mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went
> with
> > > different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel
> > and we
> > > are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> > > I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> > everyday
> > > use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give
> > me
> > > a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier
> > and
> > > less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the
> > 8X,
> > > but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down
> > the
> > > HTC route ...
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > > Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and
> hung
> > > screens.
> > >
> > > The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed
> > up
> > > an hour or so ago.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> > >
> > > "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
> > >
> > > >  Original Message 
> > > > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > > > From: Steven Peck 
> > > > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> > > > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
> > > purchased.
> > > > My wife's been lasting as well.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~ Finally, pow

Re: windows phone 8

[Steven Peck]

A co-worker said his girlfriends phone had the battery life issue so he did
the factory reset on it and she hasn't had a problem since.  Just FYI.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Stefan Jafs  wrote:

> Same here I evaluate phones for the company, this is my fourth phone this
> year, BB, iPhone, Galaxy and now Nokia 920, I totally 100+ what Rod had to
> say, It just feels clean and easy to use
> Stefan
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
>> Android is pretty much open space to do with what you want.  But, to tell
>> you the truth, it became a chore just managing apps, and app locations, etc.
>>
>> Plus, there's the whole Google tracks everything you do thing.
>>
>> I've been down just about every tablet/phone road.  Touchpad, Android,
>> iOS.  It's not something I can put my finger on, just that the Windows 8
>> interface makes you *want* to use it.  It's really hard to describe.
>>  Windows 8 UI makes iOS and Android feel old and tired.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>>
>> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
>> > tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win
>> > devices.  I feel liberated.
>>
>> I'm curious: What's liberating?
>>
>> I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am
>> still using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP
>> Touchpad with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.
>>
>> What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?
>>
>>
>> --Matt Ross
>> Ephrata School District
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Rod Trent
>> [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
>> 12:14:38 -0800
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>>
>>
>> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
>> > tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win
>> > devices.  I feel liberated.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> >
>> > I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
>> > issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We
>> > went with different phones based on personal preference regarding size
>> > and feel and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks
>> later.
>> > I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
>> > everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
>> > Tim
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> >
>> > I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so
>> > give me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> >
>> > Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and
>> > heavier and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920
>> > in spec to the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day
>> > every day I might go down the HTC route ...
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>> > Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> >
>> > Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and
>> > hung screens.
>> >
>> > The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just
>> > showed up an hour or so ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
>> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> >
>> > Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>> >
>> > "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>> >
>> > >  Original Message 
>> > > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
>> > > From: Steven Peck 
>> > > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
>> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
>> > > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps,
>> > > just
>> > purchased.
>> > > My wife's been lasting as well.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>> > 

Re: windows phone 8

[Andrew S. Baker]

Worth a consideration, but the timing is not yet right :)





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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

>  And Andrew, there is a cyber Monday deal at VZ today.  The 920 is free.
> Call them and beg, can’t hurt.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kennedy, Jim
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 3:27 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: windows phone 8
>
>  ** **
>
> Fwiw I have often gotten upgrades from them before the contract is up.  I
> have been successful as much as 5 months ahead of time.  They have a system
> to ‘mark’ valued customers based on how long you have been there, how much
> you spend, how much trouble you have been and how quickly you pay your bill.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Sometimes you have to call back two or three times. Also early in the week
> is better according to my sources. Sunday evening or Monday morning.
>
> ** **
>
> I will be calling them this weekend to get my Note 2.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: windows phone 8
>
> ** **
>
> *>>**I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.*
>
> ** **
>
> This is what I've been hearing from a number of people, and I'm looking
> forward to moving away from Android as well, as soon as my contract with
> Verizon is up.
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* 
>
> *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Vander Kooi 
> wrote:
>
> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went
> with different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel
> and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> Tim
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give
> me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier
> and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to
> the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go
> down the HTC route ...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
> screens.
>
> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed
> up an hour or so ago.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
>
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > From: Steven Peck 
> > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> >
> >
> > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
> purchased.
> > My wife's been lasting as well.
> >
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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>
>
>
>
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> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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> 

Re: windows phone 8

[Andrew S. Baker]

Put CyanogenMod9 on that device, pronto. :)  My touchpad is loving it.

Android is quirky.  Not so bad when you get the pure variants, but because
of the hardware differences, even rooting is awkward.  My Droid RAZR can't
get a CyanogenMod9 or 10 for a while, and Eclipse, while a nice ROM, was
missing some things I cared about.

My Verizon updates have made things slower than not, and they just released
v4.0, so who knows when I'll even see v4.1 much less v4.2?

No thanks. The land of mobile anarchy is not for me.






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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
wrote:

> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> tablet
> > for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel
> > liberated.
>
> I'm curious: What's liberating?
>
> I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am
> still using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP
> Touchpad with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.
>
> What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Rod Trent
> [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
> 12:14:38 -0800
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
>
> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> tablet
> > for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel
> > liberated.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> issues
> > mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with
> > different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel
> and we
> > are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> > I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> everyday
> > use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> > Tim
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give
> me
> > a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier
> and
> > less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the
> 8X,
> > but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down
> the
> > HTC route ...
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
> > screens.
> >
> > The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed
> up
> > an hour or so ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
> >
> > Regards,
> > joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> >
> > "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
> >
> > >  Original Message 
> > > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > > From: Steven Peck 
> > > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > >
> > >
> > > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> > > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
> > purchased.
> > > My wife's been lasting as well.
> > >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> >
> > ---
> > To manage subscriptions click here:
> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> >
> > ---
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> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> > or send an email

RE: windows phone 8

[Rod Trent]

We know that all companies track for various reasons.  However, Google tracks 
for more nefarious reasons.

Number 1: they make money off of tracking you.
Number 2: do some research on Google's ties to the US gov't.

Apple and Microsoft may track you, but their revenue stream is quite a bit 
different. 



-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

And you don't think (MS|Apple|Whomever) is tracking you?

Well if the WP8 interface is the same as the Window 8 RT interface, I'll be 
less than enthusiastic. I guess I'll have to try one out to be sure. 


--Matt Ross

On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "Rod Trent"  wrote:

> Android is pretty much open space to do with what you want.  But, to tell you 
> the truth, it became a chore just managing apps, and app locations, etc.
> 
> Plus, there's the whole Google tracks everything you do thing.
> 
> I've been down just about every tablet/phone road.  Touchpad, Android, iOS.  
> It's not something I can put my finger on, just that the Windows 8 interface 
> makes you *want* to use it.  It's really hard to describe.  Windows 8 UI 
> makes iOS and Android feel old and tired.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
>> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
>> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
>> devices.  I feel liberated.
> 
> I'm curious: What's liberating?
> 
> I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am still 
> using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP Touchpad 
> with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.
> 
> What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Rod Trent
> [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
> 12:14:38 -0800
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> 
>> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
>> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
>> devices.  I feel liberated.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the 
>> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. 
>> We went with different phones based on personal preference regarding 
>> size and feel and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks 
>> later.
>> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for 
>> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
>> Tim
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so 
>> give me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and 
>> heavier and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 
>> in spec to the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day 
>> every day I might go down the HTC route ...
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and 
>> hung screens.
>> 
>> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just 
>> showed up an hour or so ago.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
>> 
>> Regards,
>> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>> 
>> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>> 
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
>>> From: Steven Peck 
>>> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
>>> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
>>> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, 
>>> just
>> purchased.
>>> M

Re: windows phone 8

[Stefan Jafs]

Same here I evaluate phones for the company, this is my fourth phone this
year, BB, iPhone, Galaxy and now Nokia 920, I totally 100+ what Rod had to
say, It just feels clean and easy to use
Stefan
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Android is pretty much open space to do with what you want.  But, to tell
> you the truth, it became a chore just managing apps, and app locations, etc.
>
> Plus, there's the whole Google tracks everything you do thing.
>
> I've been down just about every tablet/phone road.  Touchpad, Android,
> iOS.  It's not something I can put my finger on, just that the Windows 8
> interface makes you *want* to use it.  It's really hard to describe.
>  Windows 8 UI makes iOS and Android feel old and tired.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> > tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win
> > devices.  I feel liberated.
>
> I'm curious: What's liberating?
>
> I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am
> still using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP
> Touchpad with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.
>
> What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Rod Trent
> [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
> 12:14:38 -0800
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
>
> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> > tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win
> > devices.  I feel liberated.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> > issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We
> > went with different phones based on personal preference regarding size
> > and feel and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks
> later.
> > I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> > everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> > Tim
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so
> > give me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and
> > heavier and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920
> > in spec to the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day
> > every day I might go down the HTC route ...
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and
> > hung screens.
> >
> > The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just
> > showed up an hour or so ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
> >
> > Regards,
> > joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> >
> > "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
> >
> > >  Original Message 
> > > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > > From: Steven Peck 
> > > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > >
> > >
> > > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> > > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps,
> > > just
> > purchased.
> > > My wife's been lasting as well.
> > >
> >
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Re: windows phone 8

[Matthew W. Ross]

And you don't think (MS|Apple|Whomever) is tracking you?

Well if the WP8 interface is the same as the Window 8 RT interface, I'll be 
less than enthusiastic. I guess I'll have to try one out to be sure. 


--Matt Ross

On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "Rod Trent"  wrote:

> Android is pretty much open space to do with what you want.  But, to tell you 
> the truth, it became a chore just managing apps, and app locations, etc.
> 
> Plus, there's the whole Google tracks everything you do thing.
> 
> I've been down just about every tablet/phone road.  Touchpad, Android, iOS.  
> It's not something I can put my finger on, just that the Windows 8 interface 
> makes you *want* to use it.  It's really hard to describe.  Windows 8 UI 
> makes iOS and Android feel old and tired.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
>> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
>> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
>> devices.  I feel liberated.
> 
> I'm curious: What's liberating?
> 
> I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am still 
> using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP Touchpad 
> with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.
> 
> What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Rod Trent
> [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
> 12:14:38 -0800
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> 
>> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
>> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
>> devices.  I feel liberated.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the 
>> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We 
>> went with different phones based on personal preference regarding size 
>> and feel and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
>> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for 
>> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
>> Tim
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so 
>> give me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and 
>> heavier and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 
>> in spec to the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day 
>> every day I might go down the HTC route ...
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and 
>> hung screens.
>> 
>> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just 
>> showed up an hour or so ago.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>> 
>> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
>> 
>> Regards,
>> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>> 
>> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>> 
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
>>> From: Steven Peck 
>>> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
>>> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
>>> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, 
>>> just
>> purchased.
>>> My wife's been lasting as well.
>> 
>> 
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

[Sam Cayze]

Windows 2000 couldn't do a graceful shutdown via button?  Wasn't aware.
Never had to use/support Win2000 luckily.  Was supporting Macs my first two
years back then.

XP did come out 11 years ago.

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Sam,

I don't believe that you regularly shut down Windows 2000 by simply pushing
the power button with no regard for system state beforehand. If you had you
would not have been in IT for very long at all ;-).

Regards,

Tim

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

So am I...

Painstakingly typed on my mobile phone. Please excuse any misspellings and
brevity.

On Nov 21, 2012 12:21 PM, "David Lum"  wrote:

I meant while the OS and apps are running.

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

"We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use the power button
to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird."

Since when?

I've been in IT for 12 years, never recall not being able to use the power
button. 

I always hit the power button.  It's the power button.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let
it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you
just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
Settings)"

 

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems
weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device
off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make.

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but
once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard
to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect
sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your device
(whatever it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you
want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever
you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some environments
where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses
it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking
back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.

Tim

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

 

 

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our
environment.

 

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

 

Regards,

 

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology

Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073

email: dgu...@che.org

Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440

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Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
you practically run in desktop mode anyway.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

 

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it
as-is and learning new tricks? 

David Lum 
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

 

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Re: excluding WDS from System State backup

[jesse-r...@wi.rr.com]

Agreed, but that doesn't solve my issue since I can't seem to prevent it
from getting backed up as part of the system state.  I think I'm going to
have to schedule stopping the WDS service each night, and schedule it to
start up again sometime after the backup is done.  I've been able to verify
that, if WDS service is stopped, my system state backups go from 100GB in
size to about 13GB in size.  (which is why i just hoped there was a way to
exclude WDS from it.. but... doesnt seem likely at this point)


Original Message:
-
From: Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:32:31 -0500
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: excluding WDS from System State backup


IMO, the WDS server doesn't change often enough to require frequent
backups.  It gets an ad hoc backup, and relatively infrequent updates, as
necessary, based on changes to the image library.


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM, jesse-r...@wi.rr.com
wrote:

> WDS is already on a separate drive.  Yet I'm still forced to back up WDS
as
> part of the System State, best I can tell.
>
>
> Original Message:
> -
> From: Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:46:34 +
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup
>
>
> That's the reason we use lots of drive letters. In the SBS world where we
> typically work we tend to put WSUS and other 'stuff' on their own drives
> for that kind of reason. Heck we even have one server with a TB USB drive
> attached which is then passed through to the Hyper-V client just for
random
> un-backed up stuff.
>
> How about moving WDS into it's own drive? You could always virtualise and
> over-provision (is that he correct word?).
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
> Sent: 26 November 2012 18:10
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup
>
> Don't think you can exclude any part of the SS.
>
> Regards,
>
> Don Guyer
> Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory &
> Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
> email: dgu...@che.org
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> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jesse-r...@wi.rr.com [mailto:jesse-r...@wi.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:52 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: excluding WDS from System State backup
>
> I'm using Backupexec 2012.  I'd like to exclude WDS from being backed up
as
> part of the System State backups because it adds 100Gb to each nightly
> System State backup because of the images folder.  I can't seem to find a
> way to exclude JUST the WDS stuff from the System State.  It seems to be
> all or nothing.  Is this possible to do?
>
> Thanks
>
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RE: windows phone 8

[Rod Trent]

I had the new Razr Maxx for over 90 days, and they allowed me to trade it in
for the HTC 8x.

 

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

 

Fwiw I have often gotten upgrades from them before the contract is up.  I
have been successful as much as 5 months ahead of time.  They have a system
to ‘mark’ valued customers based on how long you have been there, how much
you spend, how much trouble you have been and how quickly you pay your bill.

 

Sometimes you have to call back two or three times. Also early in the week
is better according to my sources. Sunday evening or Monday morning.

 

I will be calling them this weekend to get my Note 2.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

 

>>I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.

 

This is what I've been hearing from a number of people, and I'm looking
forward to moving away from Android as well, as soon as my contract with
Verizon is up.




 

 


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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Vander Kooi 
wrote:

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me
a few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X,
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up
an hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck 
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>
>
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
>


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Re: OT: Free ebook: Introducing Windows 8: An Overview for IT Professionals (Final Edition)

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Verra nice - matches the earlier one for Server 2012.

Thank you.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
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RE: windows phone 8

[Rod Trent]

Android is pretty much open space to do with what you want.  But, to tell you 
the truth, it became a chore just managing apps, and app locations, etc.

Plus, there's the whole Google tracks everything you do thing.

I've been down just about every tablet/phone road.  Touchpad, Android, iOS.  
It's not something I can put my finger on, just that the Windows 8 interface 
makes you *want* to use it.  It's really hard to describe.  Windows 8 UI makes 
iOS and Android feel old and tired.



-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
> devices.  I feel liberated.

I'm curious: What's liberating?

I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am still 
using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP Touchpad 
with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.

What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Rod Trent
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
12:14:38 -0800
Subject: RE: windows phone 8


> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and 
> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win 
> devices.  I feel liberated.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the 
> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We 
> went with different phones based on personal preference regarding size 
> and feel and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for 
> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> Tim
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so 
> give me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and 
> heavier and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 
> in spec to the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day 
> every day I might go down the HTC route ...
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and 
> hung screens.
> 
> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just 
> showed up an hour or so ago.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
> 
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> 
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
> 
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > From: Steven Peck 
> > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > 
> > 
> > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
> > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, 
> > just
> purchased.
> > My wife's been lasting as well.
> > 
> 
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RE: windows phone 8

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Windows Phone is available on Verizon, too.  

 

I’d never go WP8 unless it was available on Verizon.  Not wanting to trade
one woe for another.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

 

>>I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.

 

This is what I've been hearing from a number of people, and I'm looking
forward to moving away from Android as well, as soon as my contract with
Verizon is up.




 

 


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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Vander Kooi 
wrote:

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me
a few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X,
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up
an hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck 
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>
>
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
>


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RE: Replicating VMs to DR?

[Greg Sweers]

Appassure makes a product called Replay that does this.  We use it for all of 
our BDR appliances that we put into our customers.  Allows it to run locally 
and then we replicate it to our central repository.  Allows for local as well 
and offsite.

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From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gor...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Replicating VMs to DR?

Veeam does exactly that kind of replication as well as backup...

There is also a product from Doubletake that does it I believe.

HTH

Paul G.

From: Derrenbacker, L. Jonathan 
[mailto:jderrenbac...@keitercpa.com]
Sent: 26 November 2012 18:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Replicating VMs to DR?

For those who replicate their Virtual Servers to their Disaster Recovery site, 
I'm curious who uses what method.
I don't have a second SAN in my disaster recovery site right now, and I'm 
looking for other methods to replicate my VMs without SAN-to-SAN.
There's always the option of just taking a Veeam or Vranger backup and copying 
that to DR via robocopy every day. But something more real-time would be nice...

Anyone have opinions/ideas?


Thanks,
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RE: windows phone 8

[Kennedy, Jim]

And Andrew, there is a cyber Monday deal at VZ today.  The 920 is free. Call 
them and beg, can't hurt.

From: Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Fwiw I have often gotten upgrades from them before the contract is up.  I have 
been successful as much as 5 months ahead of time.  They have a system to 
'mark' valued customers based on how long you have been there, how much you 
spend, how much trouble you have been and how quickly you pay your bill.

Sometimes you have to call back two or three times. Also early in the week is 
better according to my sources. Sunday evening or Monday morning.

I will be calling them this weekend to get my Note 2.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

>>I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
>>use and don't even get me going on battery life.

This is what I've been hearing from a number of people, and I'm looking forward 
to moving away from Android as well, as soon as my contract with Verizon is up.






ASB


http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker


Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market...




On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Vander Kooi 
mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com>> wrote:
I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies 
[mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org 
[mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck mailto:sep...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>
>
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just 
> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
>


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RE: windows phone 8

[Kennedy, Jim]

Fwiw I have often gotten upgrades from them before the contract is up.  I have 
been successful as much as 5 months ahead of time.  They have a system to 
'mark' valued customers based on how long you have been there, how much you 
spend, how much trouble you have been and how quickly you pay your bill.

Sometimes you have to call back two or three times. Also early in the week is 
better according to my sources. Sunday evening or Monday morning.

I will be calling them this weekend to get my Note 2.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

>>I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
>>use and don't even get me going on battery life.

This is what I've been hearing from a number of people, and I'm looking forward 
to moving away from Android as well, as soon as my contract with Verizon is up.






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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Vander Kooi 
mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com>> wrote:
I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies 
[mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org 
[mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck mailto:sep...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>
>
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just 
> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
>


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RE: windows phone 8

[Matthew W. Ross]

> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet
> for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel
> liberated.

I'm curious: What's liberating?

I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I am still 
using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I have an HP Touchpad 
with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience with iOS 6 and ICS.

What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?


--Matt Ross
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- Original Message -
From: Rod Trent
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
12:14:38 -0800
Subject: RE: windows phone 8


> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet
> for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel
> liberated.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues
> mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with
> different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we
> are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday
> use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> Tim
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me
> a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and
> less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X,
> but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the
> HTC route ...
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
> screens.
> 
> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up
> an hour or so ago.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> 
> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
> 
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> 
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
> 
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > From: Steven Peck 
> > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > 
> > 
> > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
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> purchased.
> > My wife's been lasting as well.
> > 
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*>>I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
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This is what I've been hearing from a number of people, and I'm looking
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote:

> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went
> with different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel
> and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give
> me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier
> and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to
> the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go
> down the HTC route ...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
> screens.
>
> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed
> up an hour or so ago.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
>
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > From: Steven Peck 
> > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> >
> >
> > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
> purchased.
> > My wife's been lasting as well.
> >
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RE: windows phone 8

[Rod Trent]

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck 
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> 
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just 
> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
> 


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Re: windows phone 8

[Stefan Jafs]

I finally got my Nokia 920 last week, changed from a Galaxy III S, what a
breath of fresh air, s. . . . simple to use.
Battery life 2 days? Right now it's been running 9 hours I have 77% left
and the estimated time remaining is 22 hours.
OK so I'm not a very heavy user but still it's very good. I really like
this phone, yes it's a bit heavy but I rather have a bit heavy than i phone
that does not last a full day. Actually the III S did last a whole day as
long as i had the battery saver turned on.

Stefan
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote:

> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went
> with different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel
> and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give
> me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier
> and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to
> the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go
> down the HTC route ...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
> screens.
>
> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed
> up an hour or so ago.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
>
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > From: Steven Peck 
> > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> >
> >
> > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
> purchased.
> > My wife's been lasting as well.
> >
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Re: excluding WDS from System State backup

[Jonathan Link]

IMO, the WDS server doesn't change often enough to require frequent
backups.  It gets an ad hoc backup, and relatively infrequent updates, as
necessary, based on changes to the image library.


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wrote:

> WDS is already on a separate drive.  Yet I'm still forced to back up WDS as
> part of the System State, best I can tell.
>
>
> Original Message:
> -
> From: Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:46:34 +
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup
>
>
> That's the reason we use lots of drive letters. In the SBS world where we
> typically work we tend to put WSUS and other 'stuff' on their own drives
> for that kind of reason. Heck we even have one server with a TB USB drive
> attached which is then passed through to the Hyper-V client just for random
> un-backed up stuff.
>
> How about moving WDS into it's own drive? You could always virtualise and
> over-provision (is that he correct word?).
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
> Sent: 26 November 2012 18:10
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup
>
> Don't think you can exclude any part of the SS.
>
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> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:52 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: excluding WDS from System State backup
>
> I'm using Backupexec 2012.  I'd like to exclude WDS from being backed up as
> part of the System State backups because it adds 100Gb to each nightly
> System State backup because of the images folder.  I can't seem to find a
> way to exclude JUST the WDS stuff from the System State.  It seems to be
> all or nothing.  Is this possible to do?
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Re: Window 8 on your PC

[Steven Peck]

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/how-to#2TC=windows8
^^ Lots of little short how to videos there by the way.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote:

> It does not have to be a blank area, just right-click anywhere on the
> Start Screen and the All Apps button appears. Also clicking the “Dash” to
> the right of the scroll bar on the Start Screen gives you the ability to
> organize the Start Screen, in case you had not found that one either. I
> have my Start Screen grouped into Productivity, Management, Live Tiles,
> Misc. and Games for organizational purposes. It makes everything very easy
> to find and is a big improvement over the old Start Menu. I believe that
> most people who complain about wanting the Start BUTTON back, are the ones
> who have only seen it in commercials or in pictures and have not actually
> used Windows 8 for more than 5 minutes. Once you use Windows 8 for a day or
> 2 you quickly realize that the Start Button needs to stay gone.
>
> Tim
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:50 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
> ** **
>
> Perfect, I did not think about: "Right-click a blank area in the Start
> screen and then click the *All apps* icon at the lower right."
>
>  
>
> That's what I was looking for
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
> Stefan
>
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Guyer, Don  wrote:
>
> Here are 2 reviews that I’m currently perusing through:
>
>  
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2012830/windows-8-the-official-review.html*
> ***
>
>  
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/windows-8-review/
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
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> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to
> browse the installed Applications, can't that be done?
>
>  
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
> wrote:
>
> Hit the “Start” button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of
> the app.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well
> but working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start
> button? Bing gives me now aswers.
>
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
> be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?
> 
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> “You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you want to shut down and
> let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that
> you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)”
>
>  
>
> How enlightening! We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t
> use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
> seems weird. “What? I can use the device’s power button to turn the Windows
> device off? That’s CRAZY!”. Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can
> make…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007,
> but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being
> hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes
> perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your
> device (whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows

RE: Replicating VMs to DR?

[Paul Gordon]

Veeam does exactly that kind of replication as well as backup.

 

There is also a product from Doubletake that does it I believe.

 

HTH

 

Paul G.

 

From: Derrenbacker, L. Jonathan [mailto:jderrenbac...@keitercpa.com] 
Sent: 26 November 2012 18:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Replicating VMs to DR?

 

For those who replicate their Virtual Servers to their Disaster Recovery
site, I'm curious who uses what method.

I don't have a second SAN in my disaster recovery site right now, and I'm
looking for other methods to replicate my VMs without SAN-to-SAN. 

There's always the option of just taking a Veeam or Vranger backup and
copying that to DR via robocopy every day. But something more real-time
would be nice.

 

Anyone have opinions/ideas?

 

 

Thanks,

Jon



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RE: Replicating VMs to DR?

[Derrenbacker, L. Jonathan]

Good question. Based on the disk I/O, it won't be horrible.
Not all VMs or files will replicate though which lowers the load.


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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Replicating VMs to DR?

Just curious - if you don't have a SAN at your DR site, are you going to be 
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:41 PM
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Subject: Replicating VMs to DR?

For those who replicate their Virtual Servers to their Disaster Recovery site, 
I'm curious who uses what method.
I don't have a second SAN in my disaster recovery site right now, and I'm 
looking for other methods to replicate my VMs without SAN-to-SAN.
There's always the option of just taking a Veeam or Vranger backup and copying 
that to DR via robocopy every day. But something more real-time would be nice...

Anyone have opinions/ideas?


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RE: windows phone 8

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

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>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck 
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
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> 
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just 
> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Sam,
I don't believe that you regularly shut down Windows 2000 by simply pushing the 
power button with no regard for system state beforehand. If you had you would 
not have been in IT for very long at all ;-).
Regards,
Tim

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC


So am I...

Painstakingly typed on my mobile phone. Please excuse any misspellings and 
brevity.
On Nov 21, 2012 12:21 PM, "David Lum" 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
I meant while the OS and apps are running.

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use the power button to 
turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird."
Since when?
I've been in IT for 12 years, never recall not being able to use the power 
button...
I always hit the power button.  It's the power button.
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.


From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
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From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI), you 
practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it 
as-is and learning new tricks?
David Lum
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RE: excluding WDS from System State backup

[Guyer, Don]

Quick Google uncovered a post stating to stop the WDS service prior to backup.

Proceed at your own risk, YMMV and all that cr@p...

: )

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-Original Message-
From: jesse-r...@wi.rr.com [mailto:jesse-r...@wi.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup

WDS is already on a separate drive.  Yet I'm still forced to back up WDS as 
part of the System State, best I can tell.


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From: Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:46:34 +
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup


That's the reason we use lots of drive letters. In the SBS world where we 
typically work we tend to put WSUS and other 'stuff' on their own drives for 
that kind of reason. Heck we even have one server with a TB USB drive attached 
which is then passed through to the Hyper-V client just for random un-backed up 
stuff.

How about moving WDS into it's own drive? You could always virtualise and 
over-provision (is that he correct word?).

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: 26 November 2012 18:10
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup

Don't think you can exclude any part of the SS.

Regards,

Don Guyer
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Services
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: excluding WDS from System State backup

I'm using Backupexec 2012.  I'd like to exclude WDS from being backed up as 
part of the System State backups because it adds 100Gb to each nightly System 
State backup because of the images folder.  I can't seem to find a way to 
exclude JUST the WDS stuff from the System State.  It seems to be all or 
nothing.  Is this possible to do?

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

[Tim Vander Kooi]

It does not have to be a blank area, just right-click anywhere on the Start 
Screen and the All Apps button appears. Also clicking the "Dash" to the right 
of the scroll bar on the Start Screen gives you the ability to organize the 
Start Screen, in case you had not found that one either. I have my Start Screen 
grouped into Productivity, Management, Live Tiles, Misc. and Games for 
organizational purposes. It makes everything very easy to find and is a big 
improvement over the old Start Menu. I believe that most people who complain 
about wanting the Start BUTTON back, are the ones who have only seen it in 
commercials or in pictures and have not actually used Windows 8 for more than 5 
minutes. Once you use Windows 8 for a day or 2 you quickly realize that the 
Start Button needs to stay gone.
Tim

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

Perfect, I did not think about: "Right-click a blank area in the Start screen 
and then click the All apps icon at the lower right."

That's what I was looking for

Thanks
Stefan


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Guyer, Don 
mailto:dgu...@che.org>> wrote:
Here are 2 reviews that I'm currently perusing through:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2012830/windows-8-the-official-review.html

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/windows-8-review/

Regards,

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email: dgu...@che.org
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[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCBD7.D4380260]

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to browse 
the installed Applications, can't that be done?

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of the 
app.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but 
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button? Bing 
gives me now aswers.

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to be 
shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running al

RE: excluding WDS from System State backup

[jesse-r...@wi.rr.com]

WDS is already on a separate drive.  Yet I'm still forced to back up WDS as
part of the System State, best I can tell.


Original Message:
-
From: Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:46:34 +
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup


That's the reason we use lots of drive letters. In the SBS world where we
typically work we tend to put WSUS and other 'stuff' on their own drives
for that kind of reason. Heck we even have one server with a TB USB drive
attached which is then passed through to the Hyper-V client just for random
un-backed up stuff.

How about moving WDS into it's own drive? You could always virtualise and
over-provision (is that he correct word?).

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: 26 November 2012 18:10
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup

Don't think you can exclude any part of the SS.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory &
Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
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From: jesse-r...@wi.rr.com [mailto:jesse-r...@wi.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: excluding WDS from System State backup

I'm using Backupexec 2012.  I'd like to exclude WDS from being backed up as
part of the System State backups because it adds 100Gb to each nightly
System State backup because of the images folder.  I can't seem to find a
way to exclude JUST the WDS stuff from the System State.  It seems to be
all or nothing.  Is this possible to do?

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RE: Replicating VMs to DR?

[Jim Holmgren]

Just curious - if you don't have a SAN at your DR site, are you going to be 
able to adequately conduct business in a DR scenario?

Jim

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From: Derrenbacker, L. Jonathan [mailto:jderrenbac...@keitercpa.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Replicating VMs to DR?

For those who replicate their Virtual Servers to their Disaster Recovery site, 
I'm curious who uses what method.
I don't have a second SAN in my disaster recovery site right now, and I'm 
looking for other methods to replicate my VMs without SAN-to-SAN.
There's always the option of just taking a Veeam or Vranger backup and copying 
that to DR via robocopy every day. But something more real-time would be nice...

Anyone have opinions/ideas?


Thanks,
Jon
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RE: Replicating VMs to DR?

[Michael B. Smith]

Hyper-V Replica

In my opinion, one of the several KILLER features in Server 2012.

From: Derrenbacker, L. Jonathan [mailto:jderrenbac...@keitercpa.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Replicating VMs to DR?

For those who replicate their Virtual Servers to their Disaster Recovery site, 
I'm curious who uses what method.
I don't have a second SAN in my disaster recovery site right now, and I'm 
looking for other methods to replicate my VMs without SAN-to-SAN.
There's always the option of just taking a Veeam or Vranger backup and copying 
that to DR via robocopy every day. But something more real-time would be nice...

Anyone have opinions/ideas?


Thanks,
Jon
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Replicating VMs to DR?

[Derrenbacker, L. Jonathan]

For those who replicate their Virtual Servers to their Disaster Recovery site, 
I'm curious who uses what method.
I don't have a second SAN in my disaster recovery site right now, and I'm 
looking for other methods to replicate my VMs without SAN-to-SAN.
There's always the option of just taking a Veeam or Vranger backup and copying 
that to DR via robocopy every day. But something more real-time would be nice...

Anyone have opinions/ideas?


Thanks,
Jon
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RE: excluding WDS from System State backup

[Mike Hoffman]

That's the reason we use lots of drive letters. In the SBS world where we 
typically work we tend to put WSUS and other 'stuff' on their own drives for 
that kind of reason. Heck we even have one server with a TB USB drive attached 
which is then passed through to the Hyper-V client just for random un-backed up 
stuff.

How about moving WDS into it's own drive? You could always virtualise and 
over-provision (is that he correct word?).

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: 26 November 2012 18:10
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: excluding WDS from System State backup

Don't think you can exclude any part of the SS.

Regards,

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-Original Message-
From: jesse-r...@wi.rr.com [mailto:jesse-r...@wi.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: excluding WDS from System State backup

I'm using Backupexec 2012.  I'd like to exclude WDS from being backed up as 
part of the System State backups because it adds 100Gb to each nightly System 
State backup because of the images folder.  I can't seem to find a way to 
exclude JUST the WDS stuff from the System State.  It seems to be all or 
nothing.  Is this possible to do?

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Re: Window 8 on your PC

[Steven Peck]

I have to be honest, I haven't missed the 'start button' since day 2 of my
transistion.  While where I work is definitly a 'never going to it' sort of
place at the moment, I was at a medical specialists practice recently and
they've already migrated their desktops to it.  I was shocked.  About 75
desktop clients.  The nurses said it was working just fine and not really a
big deal.




On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> You can also customize that menu…
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/11/26/customizing-the-power-users-tasks-menu-in-windows-8/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 11:40 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
> ** **
>
> Just move your mouse to bottom left and you will get a “Start button” of
> sorts, which of course brings you back to the new UI  where you can see all
> of your apps (what, you mean you use legacy ones!?).  Quick launch and
> desktop shortcuts for speed.  Alternatively top right with mouse to Charms
> menu and search applications.  Neither way quite the same, but if you
> really don’t want to touch the keyboard …
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com ]
>
> *Sent:* 21 November 2012 17:31
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
> ** **
>
> I know thousands of users who very rarely use the keyboard. Especially for
> starting apps. Having to learn to utilize it after 17 years is something of
> a pain for those unaccustomed to it.
>
> ** **
>
> On 21 November 2012 17:03, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
> Hit the “Start” button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of
> the app.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well
> but working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start
> button? Bing gives me now aswers.
>
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
> be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?
> 
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> “You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you want to shut down and
> let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that
> you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)”
>
>  
>
> How enlightening! We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t
> use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
> seems weird. “What? I can use the device’s power button to turn the Windows
> device off? That’s CRAZY!”. Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can
> make…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007,
> but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being
> hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes
> perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your
> device (whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows
> that you want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is
> now hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does
> whatever you told it to do (Power Settings). This won’t work in some
> environments where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority
> of businesses it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep
> and waking back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
>
> Tim
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> J  I’m running all three – plus a desktop.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I’ve been tasked with kicking it around in our
> environment.
>
>  
>
> L

RE: excluding WDS from System State backup

[Guyer, Don]

Don't think you can exclude any part of the SS.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
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-Original Message-
From: jesse-r...@wi.rr.com [mailto:jesse-r...@wi.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: excluding WDS from System State backup

I'm using Backupexec 2012.  I'd like to exclude WDS from being backed up as 
part of the System State backups because it adds 100Gb to each nightly System 
State backup because of the images folder.  I can't seem to find a way to 
exclude JUST the WDS stuff from the System State.  It seems to be all or 
nothing.  Is this possible to do?

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

[Rod Trent]

You can also customize that menu…

 

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/11/26/customizing-the-power-users-task
s-menu-in-windows-8/ 

 

From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Just move your mouse to bottom left and you will get a “Start button” of
sorts, which of course brings you back to the new UI  where you can see all
of your apps (what, you mean you use legacy ones!?).  Quick launch and
desktop shortcuts for speed.  Alternatively top right with mouse to Charms
menu and search applications.  Neither way quite the same, but if you really
don’t want to touch the keyboard …

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: 21 November 2012 17:31
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

 

I know thousands of users who very rarely use the keyboard. Especially for
starting apps. Having to learn to utilize it after 17 years is something of
a pain for those unaccustomed to it.

 

On 21 November 2012 17:03, Rod Trent  wrote:

Hit the “Start” button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of
the app.

 

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

 

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button?
Bing gives me now aswers.


Stefan

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

“You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you want to shut down and let
it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you
just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
Settings)”

 

How enlightening! We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t use
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems
weird. “What? I can use the device’s power button to turn the Windows device
off? That’s CRAZY!”. Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make…

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but
once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard
to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect
sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your device
(whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you
want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever
you told it to do (Power Settings). This won’t work in some environments
where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses
it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking
back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.

Tim

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

J  I’m running all three – plus a desktop.

 

 

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I’ve been tasked with kicking it around in our
environment.

 

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

 

Regards,

 

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology

Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073

email: dgu...@che.org

Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440

For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.

Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
you practically run in desktop mode anyway.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

 

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win

RE: Free ebook: Introducing Windows 8: An Overview for IT Professionals (Final Edition)

[Guyer, Don]

Thx, MBS!

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCBCC.5FAE5580]

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Free ebook: Introducing Windows 8: An Overview for IT 
Professionals (Final Edition)

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/microsoft_press/archive/2012/11/13/free-ebook-introducing-windows-8-an-overview-for-it-professionals-final-edition.aspx
Free ebook: Introducing Windows 8: An Overview for IT Professionals (Final 
Edition)

Apparently released on November 13, but I didn't see an announcement.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
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RE: Free ebook: Introducing Windows 8: An Overview for IT Professionals (Final Edition)

[Jim Mediger]

Great, thanks. I hadn't noticed an announcement either.

Jim M

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Free ebook: Introducing Windows 8: An Overview for IT 
Professionals (Final Edition)

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/microsoft_press/archive/2012/11/13/free-ebook-introducing-windows-8-an-overview-for-it-professionals-final-edition.aspx
Free ebook: Introducing Windows 8: An Overview for IT Professionals (Final 
Edition)

Apparently released on November 13, but I didn't see an announcement.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

[Alan Davies]

Just move your mouse to bottom left and you will get a "Start button" of
sorts, which of course brings you back to the new UI  where you can see
all of your apps (what, you mean you use legacy ones!?).  Quick launch
and desktop shortcuts for speed.  Alternatively top right with mouse to
Charms menu and search applications.  Neither way quite the same, but if
you really don't want to touch the keyboard ...

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: 21 November 2012 17:31
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

 

I know thousands of users who very rarely use the keyboard. Especially
for starting apps. Having to learn to utilize it after 17 years is
something of a pain for those unaccustomed to it.

 

On 21 November 2012 17:03, Rod Trent  wrote:

Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name
of the app.

 

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

 

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well
but working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start
button? Bing gives me now aswers.


Stefan

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent 
wrote:

Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant
to be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving
beyond?

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and
let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough
that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do
(Power Settings)"

 

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't
use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
seems weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the
Windows device off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one
sentence can make...

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead
of the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to
users that the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they
were totally onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to
Office 2007, but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for
Shutdown being hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft
(and which makes perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the
power button on your device (whatever it might be). You no longer have
to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it handle
everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button
is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just
fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take
my machines on average 2 seconds.

Tim

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

 

 

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in
our environment.

 

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

 

Regards,

 

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology

Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073

email: dgu...@che.org

Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440

For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern
UI), you practically run in desktop mode anyway.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

 

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving
it as-is and learning new tricks? 

David Lum 
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

 

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