RE: windows phone 8

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I am not sure about emulators.
As for the lock screen, you can personalize it many different ways, but one 
option is to have weather as the background with "app updates" on it. You can 
have up to 5 apps with updates on it. I for instance have 3 different email 
accounts, texts and phone calls on mine. You also have battery, network, and 
ringer statuses all displayed on the lock screen. You can also set personal 
photos and other apps like Facebook as your lock screen instead of weather if 
you want to.
Tim

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Gosh, been following this thread closely, must say I'm very eager to give a 
Windows Phone another go now.

First of all, any online emulators? That would answer a gazillion questions I 
and others have.  I know with Android you can download a SDK and run the OS in 
a virtual machine.  Anything similar?

So here's my main question:

I'm very accustomed to accessing all my important information at a quick glance 
on my lockscreen (without even unlocking my phone). Just a quick tap of the 
power button I can view:
Outside temp
Forecast
Upcoming meetings / calendar
Unread email/SMS count
Battery level
And with one gesture I can read all my notifications.
There are many other options too. Pretty much anything you can put in a widget, 
you can access.
And I haven't even had to unlock my phone yet...

Can this quick visibility also be easily achieved on a Win8 phone?  If so, I'd 
seriously consider it.


From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have been using it for 2 weeks now and have found it to be easier to use and 
slightly more accurate than Google maps is on my Android phone. (Since I have 
one of each I do searches, directions and locating using both simultaneously.) 
So far my WP8 maps have placed me at a truer location than my Android phone 
does. Android is usually accurate within a half block, WP8 puts me right where 
I am, but that is me in this city so YMMV. Driving directions have been 
basically the same, and I must admit to never having tried the traffic part of 
the maps app since there is no traffic to speak of in Tulsa so I never have to 
worry about avoiding it. :)
Tim

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the back 
end for wp8?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to 
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I look 
at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and 
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just 
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport, book 
taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don't exist, nor does Google Maps. Bing 
search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in every other 
country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main option on WP, 
instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one for work, one 
for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get these to work 
together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts - and 
this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial mode for 
all the games, so you don't have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Is

Re: Obama's tech team used open source and some Microsoft software to fuel its victory | Computerworld Blogs

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> Just terrible project management all the way around.

  That sure sounds like our government.

-- Ben

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RE: AD Washout

[Webster]

IIRC, the ball was in your court.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Subject: RE: AD Washout

I am amazed at how many times the "lucky timing" things hits me. There has to 
be dozens of times over the years I have just learned something and a month or 
less later it's info I really needed or at minimum was able to share with 
someone else that wanted it.

On a "help someone" front, yesterday in the space of 5 minutes I received 2 
e-mails regarding my ADFS/SAML solution for Concur from months ago, both found 
me based on my posts about it to *this* list. "Here's your post, do you happen 
to have this document?".

Reminds me, MBS was there a potential blog post on this I needed to edit once 
again? I can't remember whose court that was in...

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Re: windows phone 8

[Steven Peck]

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35471
You need Windows 8 Pro for the Client HyperV  but I think that is the
emulator.  It runs as a virtual machine.


Outside temp - Lots of weather apps.  Temp on live tile on screen

Forecast - see weather app

Upcoming meetings / calendar - can be on lock screen and live tile

Unread email/SMS count - on lock screen and live tile

Battery level - there is a battery level indicator or an App if you want
more info (the app can post on lock screen)

And with one gesture I can read all my notifications. - no notification
center.  Devs said they ran out of time, expected q1 next year.



http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/meet-your-match-challenge

I was going to post a screen shot of my phone but instead realized that MS
has several short videos about this already.  Yes they are for ad campaigns
but they are also accurate.  Towards the end of the videos they show you
the different configuration of tiles.


Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org



On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

> Gosh, been following this thread closely, must say I’m very eager to give
> a Windows Phone another go now.  
>
>
> First of all, any online emulators? That would answer a gazillion
> questions I and others have.  I know with Android you can download a SDK
> and run the OS in a virtual machine.  Anything similar?
>
>
> So here’s my main question:
>
> ** **
>
> I’m very accustomed to accessing all my important information at a quick
> glance on my lockscreen (without even unlocking my phone). Just a quick tap
> of the power button I can view:
>
> Outside temp
>
> Forecast
>
> Upcoming meetings / calendar
>
> Unread email/SMS count
>
> Battery level
>
> And with one gesture I can read all my notifications.
>
> There are many other options too. Pretty much anything you can put in a
> widget, you can access.
>
> And I haven’t even had to unlock my phone yet…
>
> ** **
>
> Can this quick visibility also be easily achieved on a Win8 phone?  If so,
> I’d seriously consider it.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:53 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: windows phone 8
>
> ** **
>
> I have been using it for 2 weeks now and have found it to be easier to use
> and slightly more accurate than Google maps is on my Android phone. (Since
> I have one of each I do searches, directions and locating using both
> simultaneously.) So far my WP8 maps have placed me at a truer location than
> my Android phone does. Android is usually accurate within a half block, WP8
> puts me right where I am, but that is me in this city so YMMV. Driving
> directions have been basically the same, and I must admit to never having
> tried the traffic part of the maps app since there is no traffic to speak
> of in Tulsa so I never have to worry about avoiding it. J
>
> Tim
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:15 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: windows phone 8
>
> ** **
>
> Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the
> back end for wp8?
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
> If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared
> to iPhone and Android
>
> I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I
> look at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just
> depressing.
>
> Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) )
> and many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android
> just aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public
> transport, book taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor
> does Google Maps. Bing search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just
> rubbish in every other country I've tried). Everything else, there's about
> one main option on WP, instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID
> (e.g. one for work, one for personal, one for Messenger), then working out
> how to get these to work together on your phone is a pain.
>
> Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts -
> and this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial
> mode for all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I
> feel liberated.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012

Re: windows phone 8

[Steven Peck]

I  say that the newer wp8 maps are more accurate then the focus wp7 but
that may be better radio's in the Nokia.  Also like the Nokia Drive which
is essentially free Garmin GPS software but less money.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote:

> I have been using it for 2 weeks now and have found it to be easier to use
> and slightly more accurate than Google maps is on my Android phone. (Since
> I have one of each I do searches, directions and locating using both
> simultaneously.) So far my WP8 maps have placed me at a truer location than
> my Android phone does. Android is usually accurate within a half block, WP8
> puts me right where I am, but that is me in this city so YMMV. Driving
> directions have been basically the same, and I must admit to never having
> tried the traffic part of the maps app since there is no traffic to speak
> of in Tulsa so I never have to worry about avoiding it. J
>
> Tim
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:15 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: windows phone 8
>
> ** **
>
> Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the
> back end for wp8?
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
> If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared
> to iPhone and Android
>
> I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I
> look at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just
> depressing.
>
> Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) )
> and many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android
> just aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public
> transport, book taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor
> does Google Maps. Bing search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just
> rubbish in every other country I've tried). Everything else, there's about
> one main option on WP, instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID
> (e.g. one for work, one for personal, one for Messenger), then working out
> how to get these to work together on your phone is a pain.
>
> Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts -
> and this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial
> mode for all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I
> feel liberated.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went
> with different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel
> and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give
> me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier
> and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to
> the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go
> down the HTC route ...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
> screens.
>
> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed
> up an hour or so ago.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
>
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re

RE: AD Washout

[David Lum]

I am amazed at how many times the "lucky timing" things hits me. There has to 
be dozens of times over the years I have just learned something and a month or 
less later it's info I really needed or at minimum was able to share with 
someone else that wanted it.

On a "help someone" front, yesterday in the space of 5 minutes I received 2 
e-mails regarding my ADFS/SAML solution for Concur from months ago, both found 
me based on my posts about it to *this* list. "Here's your post, do you happen 
to have this document?".

Reminds me, MBS was there a potential blog post on this I needed to edit once 
again? I can't remember whose court that was in...


From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Lucky timing. I'm subscribed to the RSS feed for the AskPFE blog, and happened 
to see the posting not too long after Dan sent out his message.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

This was a good thread for me, even though I wasn't affected it has been added 
to my brain as a "wow, I would have never thought of that" item.

Hunter, how did you find that article?

From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Maybe a long shot, but check 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx


From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

No to these questions.

Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no idea the 
cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem with access denied 
issues and that cascaded time sync errors to everything else. The 2 2000 DCs 
show the correct amount of uptime based on them being rebooted yesterday. The 
2003 DCs however show correct time and date, but say uptime 4300+ days after 
their reboot. They are syncing with time server now, but clearly still have an 
issue. That is probably what is causing the one way replicate problem between 
just the 2 2003 DCs. I can actually replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then 
replicate that to the server that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes 
show up. Still haven?t figured the best way to rectify the issue. I definitely 
do not favor a transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and then promote again.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with lingering 
objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from physical to virtual 
recently? Or restored from a backup?
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
christopher_bod...@glic.com

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The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America

www.guardianlife.com







From:"Dan Bartley" 
mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com>>
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM
Subject:RE: AD Washout




No.

However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on one 
2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t replicate due to 
tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate the other direction. I am 
not getting any Event errors in the Directory Service event log of either DC 
when I try the manual replication (such as 2042-which I did find references on).

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley
Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
NetCarrier Telecom
Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310


From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Any new patches added just prior to this.

Jon



Subject: AD Washout
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
I mostly watch and learn, but today a question. Today I had an issue I can?t 
find any reason for.

Mixed 2000-2003 domain. 2 of each. All the roles have been moved to the 2003 
DCs, except time server. Fully patched.

Out of nowhere I started getting SCOM alerts from 2 of the DCs that various DC 
functions were failing when contacting one of the 2003 DCs. The 2 2000 servers 
could be RDP, but not accessed via MM

RE: windows phone 8

[rodtrent]

Oh, you’re the company that still has blackberries.  Wondered who that was.  😊

 

Seriously, though, use WP8 for a week and you’ll start selling it to everyone.



Sent from Windows Mail


From: John Cook
Sent: ‎November‎ ‎27‎, ‎2012 ‎4‎:‎52‎ ‎PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8




We’ve been kicking around the possibility of adding a second type of device 
(yes we’re keeping the Blackberries) so I just got my boss to order me the HTC 
8x, we shall see how it pans out.

 


 John W. Cook

Network Operations Manager

Partnership For Strong Families

5950 NW 1st Place

Gainesville, Fl 32607

Office (352) 244-1610

Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

 



From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8


Gosh, been following this thread closely, must say I’m very eager to give a 
Windows Phone another go now.  


First of all, any online emulators? That would answer a gazillion questions I 
and others have.  I know with Android you can download a SDK and run the OS in 
a virtual machine.  Anything similar?


So here’s my main question:

 

I’m very accustomed to accessing all my important information at a quick glance 
on my lockscreen (without even unlocking my phone). Just a quick tap of the 
power button I can view:

Outside temp

Forecast

Upcoming meetings / calendar

Unread email/SMS count

Battery level

And with one gesture I can read all my notifications.

There are many other options too. Pretty much anything you can put in a widget, 
you can access.

And I haven’t even had to unlock my phone yet…

 

Can this quick visibility also be easily achieved on a Win8 phone?  If so, I’d 
seriously consider it.

 

 



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8


I have been using it for 2 weeks now and have found it to be easier to use and 
slightly more accurate than Google maps is on my Android phone. (Since I have 
one of each I do searches, directions and locating using both simultaneously.) 
So far my WP8 maps have placed me at a truer location than my Android phone 
does. Android is usually accurate within a half block, WP8 puts me right where 
I am, but that is me in this city so YMMV. Driving directions have been 
basically the same, and I must admit to never having tried the traffic part of 
the maps app since there is no traffic to speak of in Tulsa so I never have to 
worry about avoiding it. J

Tim

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8


Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the back 
end for wp8?


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:


If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to 
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I look 
at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and 
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just 
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport, book 
taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor does Google Maps. Bing 
search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in every other 
country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main option on WP, 
instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one for work, one 
for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get these to work 
together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts - and 
this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial mode for 
all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken



-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]



Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original 

RE: windows phone 8

[rodtrent]

The one thing WP8 doesn’t have, and I wish it did, was a notification app.  The 
tiles show their own respective notifications, and notifications pop-up on the 
lock screen as they come in.  But, if you miss a notification, there’s no area 
to view all the live notifications at a glance.  I'm sure someone will write an 
app for it eventually.

 

 



Sent from Windows Mail


From: Sam Cayze
Sent: ‎November‎ ‎27‎, ‎2012 ‎4‎:‎26‎ ‎PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8




Gosh, been following this thread closely, must say I’m very eager to give a 
Windows Phone another go now.  


First of all, any online emulators? That would answer a gazillion questions I 
and others have.  I know with Android you can download a SDK and run the OS in 
a virtual machine.  Anything similar?


So here’s my main question:

 

I’m very accustomed to accessing all my important information at a quick glance 
on my lockscreen (without even unlocking my phone). Just a quick tap of the 
power button I can view:

Outside temp

Forecast

Upcoming meetings / calendar

Unread email/SMS count

Battery level

And with one gesture I can read all my notifications.

There are many other options too. Pretty much anything you can put in a widget, 
you can access.

And I haven’t even had to unlock my phone yet…

 

Can this quick visibility also be easily achieved on a Win8 phone?  If so, I’d 
seriously consider it.

 

 



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

 

I have been using it for 2 weeks now and have found it to be easier to use and 
slightly more accurate than Google maps is on my Android phone. (Since I have 
one of each I do searches, directions and locating using both simultaneously.) 
So far my WP8 maps have placed me at a truer location than my Android phone 
does. Android is usually accurate within a half block, WP8 puts me right where 
I am, but that is me in this city so YMMV. Driving directions have been 
basically the same, and I must admit to never having tried the traffic part of 
the maps app since there is no traffic to speak of in Tulsa so I never have to 
worry about avoiding it. J

Tim

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

 

Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the back 
end for wp8?


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:


If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to 
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I look 
at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and 
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just 
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport, book 
taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor does Google Maps. Bing 
search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in every other 
country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main option on WP, 
instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one for work, one 
for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get these to work 
together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts - and 
this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial mode for 
all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken



-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]



Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]

RE: windows phone 8

[John Cook]

We've been kicking around the possibility of adding a second type of device 
(yes we're keeping the Blackberries) so I just got my boss to order me the HTC 
8x, we shall see how it pans out.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Gosh, been following this thread closely, must say I'm very eager to give a 
Windows Phone another go now.

First of all, any online emulators? That would answer a gazillion questions I 
and others have.  I know with Android you can download a SDK and run the OS in 
a virtual machine.  Anything similar?

So here's my main question:

I'm very accustomed to accessing all my important information at a quick glance 
on my lockscreen (without even unlocking my phone). Just a quick tap of the 
power button I can view:
Outside temp
Forecast
Upcoming meetings / calendar
Unread email/SMS count
Battery level
And with one gesture I can read all my notifications.
There are many other options too. Pretty much anything you can put in a widget, 
you can access.
And I haven't even had to unlock my phone yet...

Can this quick visibility also be easily achieved on a Win8 phone?  If so, I'd 
seriously consider it.


From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have been using it for 2 weeks now and have found it to be easier to use and 
slightly more accurate than Google maps is on my Android phone. (Since I have 
one of each I do searches, directions and locating using both simultaneously.) 
So far my WP8 maps have placed me at a truer location than my Android phone 
does. Android is usually accurate within a half block, WP8 puts me right where 
I am, but that is me in this city so YMMV. Driving directions have been 
basically the same, and I must admit to never having tried the traffic part of 
the maps app since there is no traffic to speak of in Tulsa so I never have to 
worry about avoiding it. :)
Tim

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the back 
end for wp8?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to 
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I look 
at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and 
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just 
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport, book 
taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don't exist, nor does Google Maps. Bing 
search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in every other 
country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main option on WP, 
instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one for work, one 
for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get these to work 
together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts - and 
this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial mode for 
all the games, so you don't have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few

RE: windows phone 8

[Sam Cayze]

CM10 just got a stable release for many devices.
I usually stay stock, but had some time and wanted to play around.
So glad I did.  It's rock solid on my EVO LTE, and the new photosphere camera 
feature is awesome.  As is Google Now.  And many other features...

Sam



-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 6:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

Oops. I meant CM9. I typed 8. Can't wait for 10.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Andrew S. Baker
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
13:48:03 -0800
Subject: Re: windows phone 8


> Put CyanogenMod9 on that device, pronto. :)  My touchpad is loving it.
> 
> Android is quirky.  Not so bad when you get the pure variants, but 
> because of the hardware differences, even rooting is awkward.  My 
> Droid RAZR can't get a CyanogenMod9 or 10 for a while, and Eclipse, 
> while a nice ROM, was missing some things I cared about.
> 
> My Verizon updates have made things slower than not, and they just 
> released v4.0, so who knows when I'll even see v4.1 much less v4.2?
> 
> No thanks. The land of mobile anarchy is not for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *ASB*
> 
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* **
> 
> *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…*
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
> wrote:
> 
> > > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone 
> > > and
> > tablet
> > > for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  
> > > I feel liberated.
> >
> > I'm curious: What's liberating?
> >
> > I don't have a Windows phone to play with, so I can't reference. I 
> > am still using an old iPhone 3GS (which does me just fine) and I 
> > have an HP Touchpad with Cyanogoenmod 8 on it, so I have experience 
> > with iOS 6 and
> ICS.
> >
> > What makes the Windows Phone 8 so much better?
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Rod Trent
> > [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2012
> > 12:14:38 -0800
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> >
> > > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone 
> > > and
> > tablet
> > > for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  
> > > I feel liberated.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of 
> > > the
> > issues
> > > mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We 
> > > went
> with
> > > different phones based on personal preference regarding size and 
> > > feel
> > and we
> > > are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> > > I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior 
> > > for
> > everyday
> > > use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, 
> > > so give
> > me
> > > a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and 
> > > heavier
> > and
> > > less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec 
> > > to the
> > 8X,
> > > but think as something to carry around all day every day I might 
> > > go down
> > the
> > > HTC route ...
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > > Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots 
> > > and
> hung
> > > screens.
> > >
> > > The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just 
> > > showed
> > up
> > > an hour or so ago.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> > >
> > > Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > joeuser - Still looking for

RE: windows phone 8

[Sam Cayze]

Gosh, been following this thread closely, must say I’m very eager to give a
Windows Phone another go now.  


First of all, any online emulators? That would answer a gazillion questions
I and others have.  I know with Android you can download a SDK and run the
OS in a virtual machine.  Anything similar?


So here’s my main question:

 

I’m very accustomed to accessing all my important information at a quick
glance on my lockscreen (without even unlocking my phone). Just a quick tap
of the power button I can view:

Outside temp

Forecast

Upcoming meetings / calendar

Unread email/SMS count

Battery level

And with one gesture I can read all my notifications.

There are many other options too. Pretty much anything you can put in a
widget, you can access.

And I haven’t even had to unlock my phone yet…

 

Can this quick visibility also be easily achieved on a Win8 phone?  If so,
I’d seriously consider it.

 

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

 

I have been using it for 2 weeks now and have found it to be easier to use
and slightly more accurate than Google maps is on my Android phone. (Since I
have one of each I do searches, directions and locating using both
simultaneously.) So far my WP8 maps have placed me at a truer location than
my Android phone does. Android is usually accurate within a half block, WP8
puts me right where I am, but that is me in this city so YMMV. Driving
directions have been basically the same, and I must admit to never having
tried the traffic part of the maps app since there is no traffic to speak of
in Tulsa so I never have to worry about avoiding it. J

Tim

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

 

Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the
back end for wp8?

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I
look at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just
depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport,
book taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor does Google
Maps. Bing search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in
every other country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main
option on WP, instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one
for work, one for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get
these to work together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts -
and this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial
mode for all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]

Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me
a few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X,
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about

RE: windows phone 8

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I have been using it for 2 weeks now and have found it to be easier to use and 
slightly more accurate than Google maps is on my Android phone. (Since I have 
one of each I do searches, directions and locating using both simultaneously.) 
So far my WP8 maps have placed me at a truer location than my Android phone 
does. Android is usually accurate within a half block, WP8 puts me right where 
I am, but that is me in this city so YMMV. Driving directions have been 
basically the same, and I must admit to never having tried the traffic part of 
the maps app since there is no traffic to speak of in Tulsa so I never have to 
worry about avoiding it. :)
Tim

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: windows phone 8

Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the back 
end for wp8?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared to 
iPhone and Android

I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I look 
at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just depressing.

Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) ) and 
many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android just 
aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public transport, book 
taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don't exist, nor does Google Maps. Bing 
search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just rubbish in every other 
country I've tried). Everything else, there's about one main option on WP, 
instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID (e.g. one for work, one 
for personal, one for Messenger), then working out how to get these to work 
together on your phone is a pain.

Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts - and 
this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial mode for 
all the games, so you don't have to buy up-front.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and tablet 
for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I feel 
liberated.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the issues 
mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went with 
different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel and we 
are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for everyday 
use and don't even get me going on battery life.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies 
[mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.



-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org 
[mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck mailto:sep...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>
>
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> bec

RE: Free Windows 8?

[Mike Hoffman]

Sorry, such a time lag with posting here ...

Well Windows 8 ent is an SA benefit :)

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: 27 November 2012 19:01
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

That wasn't the question...

"...on the VLSC site Win8 Pro is under the "Windows" category for 
keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise is under "Software Assurance" area."

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCCD4.45682A80]

From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

You can download a 90 day trial of it from the MS website.

Mike

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: 27 November 2012 18:40
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

I thought I read somewhere that Enterprise is only available under Volume 
Licensing. Maybe that's why?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCCD4.45682A80]

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Interestingly, On our VLSC site, the keys are the same  between Enterprise and 
Pro, it's the ISO that's different. Additionally, on the VLSC site Win8 Pro is 
under the "Windows" category for keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise is under 
"Software Assurance" area.

Dave

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Anyone tried this?
The first link in the article is for a Windows 8 Enterprise download.
Wondered if that download also includes Pro since the friend I shared this with 
said he couldn't add Media center to Enterprise.

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free Windows 8?

http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html


Roger Wright
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RE: Free Windows 8?

[Guyer, Don]

That wasn't the question...

"...on the VLSC site Win8 Pro is under the "Windows" category for 
keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise is under "Software Assurance" area."

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
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email: dgu...@che.org
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[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCCA7.AA64A620]

From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

You can download a 90 day trial of it from the MS website.

Mike

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: 27 November 2012 18:40
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

I thought I read somewhere that Enterprise is only available under Volume 
Licensing. Maybe that's why?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCCA7.AA64A620]

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Interestingly, On our VLSC site, the keys are the same  between Enterprise and 
Pro, it's the ISO that's different. Additionally, on the VLSC site Win8 Pro is 
under the "Windows" category for keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise is under 
"Software Assurance" area.

Dave

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Anyone tried this?
The first link in the article is for a Windows 8 Enterprise download.
Wondered if that download also includes Pro since the friend I shared this with 
said he couldn't add Media center to Enterprise.

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free Windows 8?

http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html


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Re: Free Windows 8?

[Steven Peck]

I know some people who at the time did successfully activate their copy
with this method and were quite proud of it.  These are not people I
generally associate with.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Guyer, Don  wrote:

> I thought I read somewhere that Enterprise is only available under Volume
> Licensing. Maybe that’s why?
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
> *Don Guyer**
> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>
> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>
> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
>
> *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.*
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:21 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Free Windows 8?
>
> ** **
>
> Interestingly, On our VLSC site, the keys are the same  between Enterprise
> and Pro, it’s the ISO that’s different. Additionally, on the VLSC site Win8
> Pro is under the “Windows” category for keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise
> is under “Software Assurance” area.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:04 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Free Windows 8?
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone tried this?
>
> The first link in the article is for a Windows 8 Enterprise download.
>
> Wondered if that download also includes Pro since the friend I shared this
> with said he couldn’t add Media center to Enterprise.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Free Windows 8?
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html
>
>
> Roger Wright
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RE: Free Windows 8?

[David Lum]

That would 'splain it.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

I thought I read somewhere that Enterprise is only available under Volume 
Licensing. Maybe that's why?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Interestingly, On our VLSC site, the keys are the same  between Enterprise and 
Pro, it's the ISO that's different. Additionally, on the VLSC site Win8 Pro is 
under the "Windows" category for keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise is under 
"Software Assurance" area.

Dave

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Anyone tried this?
The first link in the article is for a Windows 8 Enterprise download.
Wondered if that download also includes Pro since the friend I shared this with 
said he couldn't add Media center to Enterprise.

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free Windows 8?

http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html


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RE: Free Windows 8?

[Mike Hoffman]

You can download a 90 day trial of it from the MS website.

Mike

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: 27 November 2012 18:40
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

I thought I read somewhere that Enterprise is only available under Volume 
Licensing. Maybe that's why?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCCCF.2DD4CDB0]

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Interestingly, On our VLSC site, the keys are the same  between Enterprise and 
Pro, it's the ISO that's different. Additionally, on the VLSC site Win8 Pro is 
under the "Windows" category for keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise is under 
"Software Assurance" area.

Dave

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Anyone tried this?
The first link in the article is for a Windows 8 Enterprise download.
Wondered if that download also includes Pro since the friend I shared this with 
said he couldn't add Media center to Enterprise.

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free Windows 8?

http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html


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RE: Free Windows 8?

[Mike Hoffman]

I know they sent me a key - then I realised all my test machines are also 
Enterprise. I have had my first set of machines with the 90 day trial time-out, 
after a re-arm they are good for another 999 x 90 days.

Mike

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: 27 November 2012 18:21
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Interestingly, On our VLSC site, the keys are the same  between Enterprise and 
Pro, it's the ISO that's different. Additionally, on the VLSC site Win8 Pro is 
under the "Windows" category for keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise is under 
"Software Assurance" area.

Dave

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Anyone tried this?
The first link in the article is for a Windows 8 Enterprise download.
Wondered if that download also includes Pro since the friend I shared this with 
said he couldn't add Media center to Enterprise.

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free Windows 8?

http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html


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RE: Free Windows 8?

[Guyer, Don]

I thought I read somewhere that Enterprise is only available under Volume 
Licensing. Maybe that's why?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCCA4.A9BD22E0]

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Interestingly, On our VLSC site, the keys are the same  between Enterprise and 
Pro, it's the ISO that's different. Additionally, on the VLSC site Win8 Pro is 
under the "Windows" category for keys/downloads, but Win8 Enterprise is under 
"Software Assurance" area.

Dave

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Anyone tried this?
The first link in the article is for a Windows 8 Enterprise download.
Wondered if that download also includes Pro since the friend I shared this with 
said he couldn't add Media center to Enterprise.

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free Windows 8?

http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html


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Re: AD Washout

[Kurt Buff]

And all that kerfuffle makes me happy we have a GPS-based time source
in our server room...

Kurt

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Dan Bartley
 wrote:
>
> And it was right on the money. This is exactly what happened. There were
> no lingering objects and no fancy footwork was required to get things back
> on track. Just a single registry change, replicate manually, then return
> registry to previous state. This post was very appreciated Hunter.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
>
>
>
> From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:19
>
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: AD Washout
>
>
>
> Lucky timing. I’m subscribed to the RSS feed for the AskPFE blog, and
> happened to see the posting not too long after Dan sent out his message.
>
>
>
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:08 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: AD Washout
>
>
>
> This was a good thread for me, even though I wasn’t affected it has been
> added to my brain as a “wow, I would have never thought of that” item.
>
>
>
> Hunter, how did you find that article?
>
>
>
> From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: AD Washout
>
>
>
> Maybe a long shot, but check
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: AD Washout
>
>
>
> No to these questions.
>
>
>
> Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no
> idea the cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem with
> access denied issues and that cascaded time sync errors to everything else.
> The 2 2000 DCs show the correct amount of uptime based on them being
> rebooted yesterday. The 2003 DCs however show correct time and date, but say
> uptime 4300+ days after their reboot. They are syncing with time server now,
> but clearly still have an issue. That is probably what is causing the one
> way replicate problem between just the 2 2003 DCs. I can actually replicate
> either one to a 2000 DC and then replicate that to the server that won?t
> replicate from the PDCe and changes show up. Still haven?t figured the best
> way to rectify the issue. I definitely do not favor a transfer of roles and
> dcpromo to demote and then promote again.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
>
>
> From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: AD Washout
>
>
>
> Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with
> lingering objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from physical
> to virtual recently? Or restored from a backup?
>
> Christopher Bodnar
> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
> Architecture and Engineering Services
>
> Tel 610-807-6459
> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
> christopher_bod...@glic.com
>
>
>
> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
>
> www.guardianlife.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:"Dan Bartley" 
> To:"NT System Admin Issues"
> 
> Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM
> Subject:RE: AD Washout
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> No.
>
> However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on
> one 2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t replicate
> due to tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate the other
> direction. I am not getting any Event errors in the Directory Service event
> log of either DC when I try the manual replication (such as 2042-which I did
> find references on).
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
> Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
> NetCarrier Telecom
> Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: AD Washout
>
> Any new patches added just prior to this.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> Subject: AD Washout
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
> From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> I mostly watch and learn, but today a question. Today I had an issue I
> can?t find any reason for.
>
> Mixed 2000-2003 domain. 2 of each. All the roles have been moved to the
> 2003 DCs, except time server. Fully patched.
>
> Out of nowhere I started getting SCOM alerts from 2 of the DCs that
> various DC functions were failing when contacting one of the 2003 DCs. The 2
> 2000 servers could be RDP, but not accessed via MMC for services, etc. from
> a Win7 workstation. I saw various KCC NTDS Replication related errors on one
> of the 2003 DCs. I could attach to 

Re: Obama's tech team used open source and some Microsoft software to fuel its victory | Computerworld Blogs

[Kurt Buff]

I think it is a mistake to place much credence in IT spend or
performance as a metric for success in political campaigns.

As I despise the platforms and approaches of both Obama and Romney, I
think I can speak more directly to the impact of IT - basically nil.

All politics is local, and it looks as if Obama had more feet on the
street, more door knockers, and more appeal to the plebians in his
platform.

Romney's message and approach was simply wrong for the campaign - too
elitist and no specifics for people to rally around.

Given that Obama spent twice the money on the campaign, and had half
the IT spend, I'd say that Obama's ability to spend money elsewhere,
particularly in local GOTV efforts, was much more telling.

Kurt

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> In a sense, the campaigns' differing IT strategies mirrored their different
> political philosophies. Romney essentially outsourced everything (just as he
> favors outsourcing many governmental functions), while Obama's campaign
> relied more heavily on his staff (just as he favors relying on government
> itself to perform many vital services). In this case, at least, in-house
> expertise trumped outsourcing, and proved to be more agile and flexible as
> well.
>
> http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/21376/obamas-tech-team-used-open-source-and-some-microsoft-software-fuel-its-victory
>
>
> Without getting caught up in the politics, this to me speaks more to the
> need to closely manage technology resources in order to get significant
> benefit.
>
> You could argue that it is an indictment against outsourcing, but I'd say
> it's more so an indictment against careless technology managment -- whether
> insourcing or outsourcing.  After all, the Obama team made quite a bit of
> use of cloud computing, which itself is a form of outsourcing.
>
> -ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>
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Re: Free Windows 8?

[Rankin, James R]

Didn't work for me

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson 
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:03:40 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Free Windows 8?

Anyone tried this?
The first link in the article is for a Windows 8 Enterprise download.
Wondered if that download also includes Pro since the friend I shared this with 
said he couldn't add Media center to Enterprise.

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free Windows 8?

http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html


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RE: AD Washout

[Dan Bartley]

And it was right on the money. This is exactly what happened. There were
no lingering objects and no fancy footwork was required to get things
back on track. Just a single registry change, replicate manually, then
return registry to previous state. This post was very appreciated
Hunter.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley




 

From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:19
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Lucky timing. I'm subscribed to the RSS feed for the AskPFE blog, and
happened to see the posting not too long after Dan sent out his message.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

This was a good thread for me, even though I wasn't affected it has been
added to my brain as a "wow, I would have never thought of that" item. 

 

Hunter, how did you find that article?

 

From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Maybe a long shot, but check 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active
-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

No to these questions. 

 

Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no
idea the cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem
with access denied issues and that cascaded time sync errors to
everything else. The 2 2000 DCs show the correct amount of uptime based
on them being rebooted yesterday. The 2003 DCs however show correct time
and date, but say uptime 4300+ days after their reboot. They are syncing
with time server now, but clearly still have an issue. That is probably
what is causing the one way replicate problem between just the 2 2003
DCs. I can actually replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then replicate
that to the server that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes show
up. Still haven?t figured the best way to rectify the issue. I
definitely do not favor a transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and
then promote again.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with
lingering objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from
physical to virtual recently? Or restored from a backup? 

Christopher Bodnar 
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
Architecture and Engineering Services 

Tel 610-807-6459  
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 
christopher_bod...@glic.com   

 

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From:"Dan Bartley"  
To:"NT System Admin Issues" <
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> 
Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM 
Subject:RE: AD Washout 






No. 
  
However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on
one 2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t
replicate due to tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate
the other direction. I am not getting any Event errors in the Directory
Service event log of either DC when I try the manual replication (such
as 2042-which I did find references on). 
  
Best Regards,

Dan Bartley
Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
NetCarrier Telecom
Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310

  
From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com 
] 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout 
  
Any new patches added just prior to this.

Jon

 




Subject: AD Washout
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com 

To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  
I mostly watch and learn, but today a question. Today I had an issue I
can?t find any reason for. 
  
Mixed 2000-2003 domain. 2 of each. All the roles have been moved to the
2003 DCs, except time server. Fully patched. 
  
Out of nowhere I started getting SCOM alerts from 2 of the DCs that
various DC functions were failing when contacting one of the 2003 DCs.
The 2 2000 servers could be RDP, but not accessed via MMC for services,
etc. from a Win7 workstation. I saw various KCC NTDS Replication related
errors on one of the 2003 DCs. I could attach to them via RPC (MMC)
though. One of the 2000 DCs is still the time server. Neither of the
2003 DCs could update time with it having a server error 5, access
denied error. Th

RE: AD Washout

[Coleman, Hunter]

Lucky timing. I'm subscribed to the RSS feed for the AskPFE blog, and happened 
to see the posting not too long after Dan sent out his message.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

This was a good thread for me, even though I wasn't affected it has been added 
to my brain as a "wow, I would have never thought of that" item.

Hunter, how did you find that article?

From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Maybe a long shot, but check 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx


From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

No to these questions.

Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no idea the 
cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem with access denied 
issues and that cascaded time sync errors to everything else. The 2 2000 DCs 
show the correct amount of uptime based on them being rebooted yesterday. The 
2003 DCs however show correct time and date, but say uptime 4300+ days after 
their reboot. They are syncing with time server now, but clearly still have an 
issue. That is probably what is causing the one way replicate problem between 
just the 2 2003 DCs. I can actually replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then 
replicate that to the server that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes 
show up. Still haven?t figured the best way to rectify the issue. I definitely 
do not favor a transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and then promote again.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with lingering 
objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from physical to virtual 
recently? Or restored from a backup?
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
christopher_bod...@glic.com

[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCC88.8D63A9F0]

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From:"Dan Bartley" 
mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com>>
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM
Subject:RE: AD Washout




No.

However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on one 
2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t replicate due to 
tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate the other direction. I am 
not getting any Event errors in the Directory Service event log of either DC 
when I try the manual replication (such as 2042-which I did find references on).

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley
Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
NetCarrier Telecom
Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310


From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Any new patches added just prior to this.

Jon



Subject: AD Washout
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
I mostly watch and learn, but today a question. Today I had an issue I can?t 
find any reason for.

Mixed 2000-2003 domain. 2 of each. All the roles have been moved to the 2003 
DCs, except time server. Fully patched.

Out of nowhere I started getting SCOM alerts from 2 of the DCs that various DC 
functions were failing when contacting one of the 2003 DCs. The 2 2000 servers 
could be RDP, but not accessed via MMC for services, etc. from a Win7 
workstation. I saw various KCC NTDS Replication related errors on one of the 
2003 DCs. I could attach to them via RPC (MMC) though. One of the 2000 DCs is 
still the time server. Neither of the 2003 DCs could update time with it having 
a server error 5, access denied error. The other 2000 DC could update time 
fine. Logins to various internal systems and DFS links started to fail with 
access denied errors.

Eventually I rebooted the 2003 DC with the PDCe role and everything started to 
come back. There were no Directory Service errors or warnings in the event log 
at or before this happened. At the time this started this DC had system errors 
that the other 2003 DC had a time in the future, however it did not. In the 
application log there were errors 

RE: AD Washout

[David Lum]

This was a good thread for me, even though I wasn't affected it has been added 
to my brain as a "wow, I would have never thought of that" item.

Hunter, how did you find that article?

From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Maybe a long shot, but check 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx


From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

No to these questions.

Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no idea the 
cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem with access denied 
issues and that cascaded time sync errors to everything else. The 2 2000 DCs 
show the correct amount of uptime based on them being rebooted yesterday. The 
2003 DCs however show correct time and date, but say uptime 4300+ days after 
their reboot. They are syncing with time server now, but clearly still have an 
issue. That is probably what is causing the one way replicate problem between 
just the 2 2003 DCs. I can actually replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then 
replicate that to the server that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes 
show up. Still haven?t figured the best way to rectify the issue. I definitely 
do not favor a transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and then promote again.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with lingering 
objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from physical to virtual 
recently? Or restored from a backup?
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
christopher_bod...@glic.com

[cid:image001.jpg@01CDCC7E.ACC464B0]

The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America

www.guardianlife.com







From:"Dan Bartley" 
mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com>>
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM
Subject:RE: AD Washout




No.

However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on one 
2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t replicate due to 
tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate the other direction. I am 
not getting any Event errors in the Directory Service event log of either DC 
when I try the manual replication (such as 2042-which I did find references on).

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley
Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
NetCarrier Telecom
Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310


From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Any new patches added just prior to this.

Jon



Subject: AD Washout
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
I mostly watch and learn, but today a question. Today I had an issue I can?t 
find any reason for.

Mixed 2000-2003 domain. 2 of each. All the roles have been moved to the 2003 
DCs, except time server. Fully patched.

Out of nowhere I started getting SCOM alerts from 2 of the DCs that various DC 
functions were failing when contacting one of the 2003 DCs. The 2 2000 servers 
could be RDP, but not accessed via MMC for services, etc. from a Win7 
workstation. I saw various KCC NTDS Replication related errors on one of the 
2003 DCs. I could attach to them via RPC (MMC) though. One of the 2000 DCs is 
still the time server. Neither of the 2003 DCs could update time with it having 
a server error 5, access denied error. The other 2000 DC could update time 
fine. Logins to various internal systems and DFS links started to fail with 
access denied errors.

Eventually I rebooted the 2003 DC with the PDCe role and everything started to 
come back. There were no Directory Service errors or warnings in the event log 
at or before this happened. At the time this started this DC had system errors 
that the other 2003 DC had a time in the future, however it did not. In the 
application log there were errors when it started for ID 1058, Windows cannot 
access the file gpt.ini for GPO?? and ending with ?(There is a time and/or date 
difference between the client and server. ). Group Policy processing aborted.?

All of the other DCs showed nothing other than the breakdown between them and

Maps: WAS: windows phone 8

[Matthew W. Ross]

I downloaded the "Here" app from nokia on iOS. It's a quite decent map app, as 
far as I can tell. I add it to my list of tried-and-accepted map apps:

Here
Google Maps(RIP)
Bing Maps
Waze
Mapquest


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 27 Nov 2012
08:15:06 -0800
Subject: Re: windows phone 8


> Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the
> back end for wp8?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> 
> > If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared
> > to iPhone and Android
> >
> > I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I
> > look at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just
> > depressing.
> >
> > Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) )
> > and many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android
> > just aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public
> > transport, book taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor
> > does Google Maps. Bing search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just
> > rubbish in every other country I've tried). Everything else, there's about
> > one main option on WP, instead of several. If you have more than one
> LiveID
> > (e.g. one for work, one for personal, one for Messenger), then working out
> > how to get these to work together on your phone is a pain.
> >
> > Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts -
> > and this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial
> > mode for all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ken
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> > tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I
> > feel liberated.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> > issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We
> went
> > with different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel
> > and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> > I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> > everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> > Tim
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give
> > me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier
> > and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to
> > the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day every day I might
> go
> > down the HTC route ...
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> > Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
> > screens.
> >
> > The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed
> > up an hour or so ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: windows phone 8
> >
> > Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
> >
> > Regards,
> > joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> >
> > "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
> >
> > >  Original Message 
> > > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > > From: Steven Peck 
> > > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > >
> > >
> > > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> > > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
> > purchased.
> > > My wife's been lasting as well.
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: windows phone 8

[Steven Peck]

Are the maps still lacking since they switched to using Nokia maps in the
back end for wp8?

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you are outside the US, then Windows Phone is sadly lacking, compared
> to iPhone and Android
>
> I've been a big WinMo/WP user (and currently have an Omnia 7), but when I
> look at the apps and info available on iPhone and Android, it's just
> depressing.
>
> Mapping is poor on WP (well, maybe not compared to the latest IOS5 :) )
> and many of the apps you'd love to use as a traveller on iPhone or Android
> just aren't available (e.g. apps to find local restaurants, public
> transport, book taxis). Apps like Instagram and Pandora don’t exist, nor
> does Google Maps. Bing search is poor (maybe not in the US, but it's just
> rubbish in every other country I've tried). Everything else, there's about
> one main option on WP, instead of several. If you have more than one LiveID
> (e.g. one for work, one for personal, one for Messenger), then working out
> how to get these to work together on your phone is a pain.
>
> Personally I don't care for Facebook integration with my phone contacts -
> and this is probably the one thing that WP does well. And there's a trial
> mode for all the games, so you don’t have to buy up-front.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012 7:15 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Agreed, on not missing Android.  I've been using Android on phone and
> tablet for a couple years, and just finished moving to all Win devices.  I
> feel liberated.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:22 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> I have the 8X while my wife has a Nokia 810 (doesn't have any of the
> issues mentioned about the 920) and they are both excellent phones. We went
> with different phones based on personal preference regarding size and feel
> and we are both very happy with our choices 2 almost 2 weeks later.
> I certainly don't miss Android, Windows Phone 8 is far superior for
> everyday use and don't even get me going on battery life.
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give
> me a few days to see if the coolness wears off.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier
> and less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to
> the 8X, but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go
> down the HTC route ...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung
> screens.
>
> The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed
> up an hour or so ago.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: windows phone 8
>
> Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life
>
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> > From: Steven Peck 
> > Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> >
> >
> > It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC
> > because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just
> purchased.
> > My wife's been lasting as well.
> >
>
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