RE: FoxIT reader vulnerability

2013-01-16 Thread Ziots, Edward
By default yes Adobe renders PDF with Javascript, which allows both good and 
evil javascript to execute, as we all know the various flaws in adobe, this 
definitely leads to an attack vector which has been exploited time and time 
again. 

But seriously I still see Java as the bigger threat, and as others have said it 
will continue to be this for years to come. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
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-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FoxIT reader vulnerability

Doesn't Adobe (and possibly other PDF viewers) include PDF rendering with 
javascript now?

I just want a dumb .pdf reader. Is it just me?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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 On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Richard McClary 
 richard.mccl...@aspca.org wrote:
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/11/foxit_pdf_plugin_vuln/
 
  Just now checked the FoxIT web site.  The currently offered version 
  is 5.4.4.1128, which the article mentions as being vulnerable (as 
  are older versions).
 
  May end up having to use Adobe anyway…
 
   I strongly suspect FoxIt licenses at least their core code from 
 Adobe.  Many features and vulnerabilities seem to track on a 
 one-to-one basis.
 
   FoxIt is a lot more lightweight, though, so it prolly has a smaller 
 attack surface overall.  It may be they just don't include all the 
 bloat that Adobe does.
 
 -- Ben
 
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RE: FoxIT reader vulnerability

2013-01-16 Thread Ziots, Edward
Took Fortran in College, honestly, hated it... but alas I am an engineer not a 
code writer :)

Z

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Security Engineer
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-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FoxIT reader vulnerability

I took USCD Pascal, RPG III, COBOL, Fortran, 360 assembler, JCL and probably a 
couple of other languages as well in a failed attempt at an Associates about 
then.

I heard of the language about then as well, but didn't try to tackle it until I 
had an Amiga.

None of it really stuck - I just wasn't of a mindset to sit and program, and I 
would have been a whole lot better off if I had been.

Kurt

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 I learned Forth when I was 17, in 1980. It blew my mind. Before that, I knew 
 WATFOR, UCSD Pascal, 6502 assembler, and 8008 assembler.

 Forth's RPN and its low-level power made me feel as if I could do 
 anything! :)

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:51 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: FoxIT reader vulnerability

 On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
 mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 Doesn't Adobe (and possibly other PDF viewers) include PDF rendering 
 with javascript now?

 I just want a dumb .pdf reader. Is it just me?

   The real irony here is that Adobe originally created PDF to be a 
 safe version of PostScript[1] -- basically disabling the 
 capabilities beyond what's needed to display static content on a page.

   Those who don't learn from history...

 -- Ben

 [1] PostScript can do all sorts of things, including file I/O.
 Someone implemented a web server in PostScript.

 PostScript: A Forth generation language...

 Kurt

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86 fixes in Oracle released today

2013-01-16 Thread Ziots, Edward
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/cpujan2013-1515902.html


Fear it, and they still can't get Java Fixed…

Oracle=Unbreakable? Naaa its just broken… period.

Z

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RE: FoxIT reader vulnerability

2013-01-16 Thread Matthew W. Ross
I'm no security expert, but here's a counterpoint on why Adobe Reader would be 
(in my mind) a bigger threat:

* Everybody opens PDFs every day. 
* There is no did you want to open this prompt for a PDF. 
* There is (as far as I know) no certificated PDF, or if there is, I have never 
seen it used.

The opposite is true for Java. 

* Java is used every day, but not nearly to the extent of PDF.
* Java will ask if you intended to open the plugin.
* Java does allow for signed certificates for validation.

I am not arguing which one is worse, because I don't know. But the 
conversation is interesting to me.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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From: Ziots, Edward
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To: NT System Admin Issues
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Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2013
02:39:02 -0800
Subject: RE: FoxIT reader vulnerability


 By default yes Adobe renders PDF with Javascript, which allows both good and
 evil javascript to execute, as we all know the various flaws in adobe, this
 definitely leads to an attack vector which has been exploited time and time
 again. 
 
 But seriously I still see Java as the bigger threat, and as others have said
 it will continue to be this for years to come. 
 
 Z
 
 Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
 Security Engineer
 Lifespan Organization
 ezi...@lifespan.org
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:30 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: FoxIT reader vulnerability
 
 Doesn't Adobe (and possibly other PDF viewers) include PDF rendering with
 javascript now?
 
 I just want a dumb .pdf reader. Is it just me?
 
 
 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ben Scott
 [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Tue, 15 Jan 2013
 14:46:31 -0800
 Subject: Re: FoxIT reader vulnerability
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Richard McClary 
  richard.mccl...@aspca.org wrote:
   http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/11/foxit_pdf_plugin_vuln/
  
   Just now checked the FoxIT web site.  The currently offered version 
   is 5.4.4.1128, which the article mentions as being vulnerable (as 
   are older versions).
  
   May end up having to use Adobe anyway…
  
I strongly suspect FoxIt licenses at least their core code from 
  Adobe.  Many features and vulnerabilities seem to track on a 
  one-to-one basis.
  
FoxIt is a lot more lightweight, though, so it prolly has a smaller 
  attack surface overall.  It may be they just don't include all the 
  bloat that Adobe does.
  
  -- Ben
  
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RE: FoxIT reader vulnerability

2013-01-16 Thread Kennedy, Jim

* Java will ask if you intended to open the plugin.

Which leads to users spamming yes without thinking.


* Java does allow for signed certificates for validation.

Let's reword this, Java allows for SELF signed certificates for validation.

I know someone in the security field that owns an LLC in Ohio called 'Trusted 
Publisher' and he has self signed certs for Java that say exactly that. Cost 
him 50 bucks to get it done.  Guess what his success rate is on phish emails 
that link to a java that pops 'Trusted Publisher' on the warning?


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FoxIT reader vulnerability

I'm no security expert, but here's a counterpoint on why Adobe Reader would be 
(in my mind) a bigger threat:

* Everybody opens PDFs every day. 
* There is no did you want to open this prompt for a PDF. 
* There is (as far as I know) no certificated PDF, or if there is, I have never 
seen it used.

The opposite is true for Java. 

* Java is used every day, but not nearly to the extent of PDF.
* Java will ask if you intended to open the plugin.
* Java does allow for signed certificates for validation.

I am not arguing which one is worse, because I don't know. But the 
conversation is interesting to me.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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From: Ziots, Edward
[mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2013
02:39:02 -0800
Subject: RE: FoxIT reader vulnerability


 By default yes Adobe renders PDF with Javascript, which allows both 
 good and evil javascript to execute, as we all know the various flaws 
 in adobe, this definitely leads to an attack vector which has been 
 exploited time and time again.
 
 But seriously I still see Java as the bigger threat, and as others 
 have said it will continue to be this for years to come.
 
 Z
 
 Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer 
 Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:30 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: FoxIT reader vulnerability
 
 Doesn't Adobe (and possibly other PDF viewers) include PDF rendering with
 javascript now?
 
 I just want a dumb .pdf reader. Is it just me?
 
 
 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ben Scott
 [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Tue, 15 Jan 2013
 14:46:31 -0800
 Subject: Re: FoxIT reader vulnerability
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Richard McClary 
  richard.mccl...@aspca.org wrote:
   http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/11/foxit_pdf_plugin_vuln/
  
   Just now checked the FoxIT web site.  The currently offered version 
   is 5.4.4.1128, which the article mentions as being vulnerable (as 
   are older versions).
  
   May end up having to use Adobe anyway…
  
I strongly suspect FoxIt licenses at least their core code from 
  Adobe.  Many features and vulnerabilities seem to track on a 
  one-to-one basis.
  
FoxIt is a lot more lightweight, though, so it prolly has a smaller 
  attack surface overall.  It may be they just don't include all the 
  bloat that Adobe does.
  
  -- Ben
  
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Re: PowerShell noob issues

2013-01-16 Thread Christopher Bodnar
Does this help?

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-CA/winserverpowershell/thread/6887f6a4-1a64-4dce-8c5e-a20373b6cf4f



Christopher Bodnar 
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From:   James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date:   01/16/2013 11:42 AM
Subject:PowerShell noob issues



I'm trying to tidy up some old scripts and move them to PowerShell, but 
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I want to get PS to call out to an external program (ctxclios.exe, to be 
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write the return code from the external program into a Registry value. I'm 
struggling a bit as how to achieve this.

Does anyone have any pointers that might nudge me in the right direction?

TIA,


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Patch management recommendations

2013-01-16 Thread Charlie Kaiser
I work for a consulting firm that manages a variety of SMB clients. As we
increase our client load and the size of the clients (moving from the 3-10
seat to the 50-1000 seat clients) we are implementing more advanced products
for a variety of tasks.

We are currently looking at patch management solutions. Our current paradigm
is a mix of WSUS and manual intervention, but it's not enough, obviously. I
haven't used a centralized patch management system for around 5-6 years
(used to use early versions of Shavlik) so I haven't been keeping up with
the market. We're now looking for something that does 3rd party apps, not
just MS stuff, so WSUS is off the table. Our clients are all on MS
platforms, though; almost no *nix or Apple.

I don't envision a one-size-fits-all product. I expect that we'll want a
variety of solutions tailored to the size and complexity of the client. And
I have no illusions about the ease of patch management given any product.
:-)
My boss would love an MSP-style of centrally managed product that can handle
all our clients, but my belief is that trying to go that route is much more
difficult than doing per-client implementations, especially without
dedicated patch management admins.

Having said all that, is anyone working with patch management systems that
they really like for this space? Also, any you really DON'T like?

Thanks!

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RE: 86 fixes in Oracle released today

2013-01-16 Thread Kennedy, Jim
new zero day for java

http://m.krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/new-java-exploit-fetches-5000-per-buyer/

From: Ziots, Edward [ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 86 fixes in Oracle released today

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/cpujan2013-1515902.html


Fear it, and they still can't get Java Fixed…

Oracle=Unbreakable? Naaa its just broken… period.

Z

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Security Engineer
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Re: Patch management recommendations

2013-01-16 Thread joseph palmieri
look at LANDesk security suite (not cheep) it has all the functionality you 
need and more...only downside is tech support reps look to close trouble ticket 
without resolving issue

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From: Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org
Subject: Patch management recommendations
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 6:03 PM

I work for a consulting firm that manages a variety of SMB clients. As we
increase our client load and the size of the clients (moving from the 3-10
seat to the 50-1000 seat clients) we are implementing more advanced products
for a variety of tasks.

We are currently looking at patch management solutions. Our current paradigm
is a mix of WSUS and manual intervention, but it's not enough, obviously. I
haven't used a centralized patch management system for around 5-6 years
(used to use early versions of Shavlik) so I haven't been keeping up with
the market. We're now looking for something that does 3rd party apps, not
just MS stuff, so WSUS is off the table. Our clients are all on MS
platforms, though; almost no *nix or Apple.

I don't envision a one-size-fits-all product. I expect that we'll want a
variety of solutions tailored to the size and complexity of the client. And
I have no illusions about the ease of patch management given any product.
:-)
My boss would love an MSP-style of centrally managed product that can handle
all our clients, but my belief is that trying to go that route is much more
difficult than doing per-client implementations, especially without
dedicated patch management admins.

Having said all that, is anyone working with patch management systems that
they really like for this space? Also, any you really DON'T like?

Thanks!

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Re: McAfee agent handlers

2013-01-16 Thread joseph palmieri
https://kc.mcafee.com/resources/sites/MCAFEE/content/live/PRODUCT_DOCUMENTATION/22000/PD22508/en_US/ePO_4.5_Agent_Hander_White_Paper.pdf

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From: David Lum david@nwea.org
Subject: McAfee agent handlers
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 10:22 AM



 
 




Anyone here use McAfee Agent Handlers? If yes, I have a question because I am 
trying to set one up but the Agents aren’t checking in to the right one. 
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RE: Patch management recommendations

2013-01-16 Thread Rod Trent
Make sure to add SolarWinds Patch Manager to your list.

 

http://www.solarwinds.com/patch-manager.aspx 

 

From: joseph palmieri [mailto:jpalm...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Patch management recommendations

 


look at LANDesk security suite (not cheep) it has all the functionality you
need and more...only downside is tech support reps look to close trouble
ticket without resolving issue

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From: Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org
Subject: Patch management recommendations
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 6:03 PM

I work for a consulting firm that manages a variety of SMB clients. As we
increase our client load and the size of the clients (moving from the 3-10
seat to the 50-1000 seat clients) we are implementing more advanced products
for a variety of tasks.

We are currently looking at patch management solutions. Our current paradigm
is a mix of WSUS and manual intervention, but it's not enough, obviously. I
haven't used a centralized patch management system for around 5-6 years
(used to use early versions of Shavlik) so I haven't been keeping up with
the market. We're now looking for something that does 3rd party apps, not
just MS stuff, so WSUS is off the table. Our clients are all on MS
platforms, though; almost no *nix or Apple.

I don't envision a one-size-fits-all product. I expect that we'll want a
variety of solutions tailored to the size and complexity of the client. And
I have no illusions about the ease of patch management given any product.
:-)
My boss would love an MSP-style of centrally managed product that can handle
all our clients, but my belief is that trying to go that route is much more
difficult than doing per-client implementations, especially without
dedicated patch management admins.

Having said all that, is anyone working with patch management systems that
they really like for this space? Also, any you really DON'T like?

Thanks!

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charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
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Re: McAfee agent handlers

2013-01-16 Thread David
Track down John himself...he's in Portland now.
On Jan 15, 2013 7:22 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:

  Anyone here use McAfee Agent Handlers? If yes, I have a question because
 I am trying to set one up but the Agents aren’t checking in to the right
 one.

 *David Lum*
 Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
 Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

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