RE: Rod, give me a buzz?

[Richard McClary]

I make the coffee here pretty strong.  All the buzz most of us need...

--
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From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Rod, give me a buzz?

What's that, an invite to the buzzing?

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:51 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
Nothing wrong with that subject line at all...

-Original Message-
From: stu sjouwerman 
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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:09 AM
To: ntsysad...@gwsin01.mbox.net
Subject: Rod, give me a buzz?

I will get you the whole list so you can send an invite to everyone.

Warm regards,

Stu Sjouwerman
Founder and CEO
www.KnowBe4.com
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RE: The list status

[Richard McClary]

If he wishes, there had been some discussion about who might be Moderator for 
the new group.

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richard

-Original Message-
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bill.m...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The list status

I'm not sure what the problem is at this point.  A new list is setup, it is 
working better than the old one, and many (most?) folks have moved over to it.  
Stu can simply subscribe to it if he wants.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 9:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The list status

Google groups?

Is that even a listserv?

-Original Message-
From: Sandy [mailto:san...@knowbe4.com]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 9:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: The list status

Hello Everyone!  My name is Sandy Vandebult and I was a long Sunbelter and 
currently work with Stu at his new company Knowbe4.  GoodNews!!  GFI has given 
the list over to Stu and the list will live on! 

We are looking at moving the list over to Google groups but I am open to any 
suggestions if anybody knows of a better way to go.


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RE: The list?

[Richard McClary]

Not the same without hearing it being read by Captain Kangaroo  :-(

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The list?

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
> Ping?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0448421658

-- Ben

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RE: End of month plan B for list shutdown.

[Richard McClary]

Question – we’ve had both Rod and Ben offer to host, and both have given links.

Do those wishing to continue a mail-based (rather than web-based) forum go with 
Rod’s?  Is that what the agreement seems to be?

Thanks to both Rod and Ben!
--
richard

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: End of month plan B for list shutdown.

Done.  Link is here:

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/services/email-lists/


Rod Trent
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From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: End of month plan B for list shutdown.

Sounds good to me and post the link so we can start over there…

Z

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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: End of month plan B for list shutdown.

I vote do it. I prefer e-mail to web forum for this stuff.

From: rodtr...@myitforum.com 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: End of month plan B for list shutdown.

I can set up a list in a few minutes, just say the word. We already host over 
25 lists and have plenty of bandwidth to spare.

Sent from Microsoft Surface Pro

From: Kennedy, Jim
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎April‎ ‎29‎, ‎2013 ‎8‎:‎14‎ ‎AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

The end of the month and allegedly the end of the list is tomorrow. We need a 
plan B to get back in contact to get this going again if possible. Someone got 
a blog we can bookmark for new/announcements that would be willing to post 
anything they hear?

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RE: Cross post on latest round of Java Bugs from Bugtraq

[Richard McClary]

One more time:

Just
Another
Vulnerability
Announcement

Thanks...
--
richard

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cross post on latest round of Java Bugs from Bugtraq


Hello All,

Today, a vulnerability report with an accompanying Proof of Concept code was 
sent to Oracle notifying the company of a new security weakness affecting Java 
SE 7 software.

The new flaw was verified to affect all versions of Java SE
7 (including the recently released 1.7.0_21-b11). It can be used to achieve a 
complete Java security sandbox bypass on a target system. Successful 
exploitation in a web browser scenario requires proper user interaction (a user 
needs to accept the risk of executing a potentially malicious Java application 
when a security warning window is displayed).

What's interesting is that the new issue is present not only in JRE Plugin / 
JDK software, but also the recently announced Server JRE as well [1]. Those 
concerned about a feasibility of exploitation of Java flaws in a server 
environment should consult Guideline 3-8 of "Secure Coding Guidelines for a 
Java Programming Language" [2]. It lists the following software components and 
APIs as potentially prone to the execution of untrusted Java code:
- Sun implementation of the XSLT interpreter,
- Long Term Persistence of JavaBeans Components,
- RMI and LDAP (RFC 2713),
- Many SQL implementations.

In Apr 2012 [3], we reported our first vulnerability report to Oracle 
corporation signaling multiple security problems in Java SE 7 and the 
Reflection API in particular. It's been a year since then and to our true 
surprise, we were still able to discover one of the simplest and most powerful 
instances of Java Reflection API based vulnerabilities. It looks Oracle was 
primarily focused on hunting down potentially dangerous Reflection API calls in 
the "allowed" classes space. If so, no surprise that Issue 61 was overlooked.

Thank you.

Best Regards
Adam Gowdiak

Looks like more Java patching to come.. and the flaws continue...

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RE: Endpoint backups

[Richard McClary]

Those 2 locations are supposed (an infamous "S-word"!) to be re-mapped to that 
centralized location.  HOWEVER, some of our programmers, being programmers, 
tend to dig into that big local drive, find they can create a directory, and 
put all their development code there.  Then when the workstation goes bye-bye 
(well, they tend to not do that more than once!)...

--
richard

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
interaction on the client/endpoint side.



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RE: Google Drive

[Richard McClary]

University of Illinois (UIUC) still had vampire tapping (some locations) in the 
mid-90's.  When I moved from being a research biologist to a sysadmin, my 
department had lots of thin net, Canary boxes, and protocol converters in a 
serious tripping hazard throughout the call center.

I still treasure my 3Com card that has an RJ-45, a BNC, and an AUI port (I also 
have both the BNC and RJ-45 AUI adapters, and yes, I know, the AUI's were 
really for the vampire clamps).

More advanced setups had 10-Base-3 but with proprietary wiring.  We had to go 
to one particular shop on campus to have our cables made.  (The big 10-Base-T 
standard wiring conversion didn't happen until I was safely away from UIUC.)
--
richard

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Google Drive

That is old! Bet people were "Vampire-tapping" back then...or maybe it was 
4-wire phone cable.

Regards,

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From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Google Drive

I remember 8" floppies, too, but you couldn't fold them as well, because they 
had to fold smaller.

But, they were pretty durable.






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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Scott Schneider 
mailto:sschnei...@inscapesolutions.com>> wrote:
Your just a young'un. I remember 8" floppies, both hard and soft sectored. We 
used to have to change a pulley to get European drives to work in North 
America. There are CNC machines on our shop floor that can still read paper 
tape (we use an RS232 interface instead) :o)

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: April-12-13 1:28 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Google Drive

5.25" floppies were the ultimate in reliability.  You could put them into your 
pocket, folder them up, and even spill soda on them.  (I recovered data from 
two different soda spill scenarios)

I suspect that the feeble density of the data is what helped us with those, and 
what kills us with everything else.  :)




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RE: Google Drive

[Richard McClary]

I had a deck of punch cards fall into a mud puddle once...  (LOTS of soybean 
disease data to be re-punched!)

--
richard

From: Scott Schneider [mailto:sschnei...@inscapesolutions.com]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Google Drive

Your just a young'un. I remember 8" floppies, both hard and soft sectored. We 
used to have to change a pulley to get European drives to work in North 
America. There are CNC machines on our shop floor that can still read paper 
tape (we use an RS232 interface instead) :o)

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: April-12-13 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Google Drive

5.25" floppies were the ultimate in reliability.  You could put them into your 
pocket, folder them up, and even spill soda on them.  (I recovered data from 
two different soda spill scenarios)

I suspect that the feeble density of the data is what helped us with those, and 
what kills us with everything else.  :)




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RE: Google Drive

[Richard McClary]

I've been through too many software upgrades where having the office door 
closed is appropriate and proper.

--
richard

From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Google Drive

I once remember talking a customer through a software upgrade using 5.25" 
disks. When I told him to shut the door (of the drive), I can still recall 
hearing the sound of his office door closing down the phone. One of many 
priceless moments as I learned my trade on the front line of support.
Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY

From: "Guyer, Don" mailto:dgu...@che.org>>
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:12:43 -0400
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: Google Drive

and use them as Chinese Stars...

Regards,

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From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Google Drive

5.25" floppies were the ultimate in reliability.  You could put them into your 
pocket, folder them up, and even spill soda on them.  (I recovered data from 
two different soda spill scenarios)

I suspect that the feeble density of the data is what helped us with those, and 
what kills us with everything else.  :)




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RE: Google Drive

[Richard McClary]

Be careful not to drop box!

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:09 AM
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Subject: Re: Google Drive

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> I use DropBox (75%), Box.com (23%) and SkyDrive (2%) with encryption provided 
> by BoxCryptor.

  I use a stack of 1.44 MB floppies I carry with me everywhere.  ;-)

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RE: Google Drive

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Well, today's XKCD episode is just simply not funny!

--
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Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:02 AM
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Subject: Re: Google Drive

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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Ben Scott 
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:37 AM, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> Anyone else using Google Drive and think it is a bit rubbish in general?
  Wait for the next Service Pack... er, sorry, wrong vendor.

  It must still be in "Beta".  Wait another few years.

  ;-)

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RE: April Fools humor

[Richard McClary]

I like last year's video better.  They had a new tool to open an iPad to get to 
the battery.  (Hammer with a crow bar as a handle; all painted yellow.)

--
richard

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: April Fools humor

Yeah,  but Google has come through again.

http://www.google.com/landing/nose/

From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:10 AM
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Subject: OT: April Fools humor

People write that Google always has Easter Eggs, etc.   One of the big EHR 
providers, Epic, always changes their home page on April Fool's Day.  If you 
want a chuckle, check epic.com.
BTW, the kool-aid reference is because some people complain that hospital CIO's 
have drunk the Epic kool-aid.

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RE: Semi OT: Cisco versus Checkpoint & Juniper

[Richard McClary]

Thank you!

--
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From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Semi OT: Cisco versus Checkpoint & Juniper

The SRX line is Juniper's enterprise line.  The SSG is based on their Netscreen 
acquisition many moons ago.

The cost difference between those two platforms is not insignificant.   My 
personal experience is with the SSG family, and it will be the one that I would 
expect to be more applicable to the original post.

For the money of the SRX platform, I would go with one of the other vendors...

Compare the Fortigate 60C, for example, with the Juniper SRX210

http://www.fortinet.com/products/fortigate/60C.html (look at the specs tab)
http://www.juniper.net/as/en/products-services/security/srx-series/srx210/#specs

Similar pricing for the base models, but the Fortigate has a bit more 
functionality at that price point, IMO.

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Richard McClary 
mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>> wrote:
Interesting, thanks!

As for Juniper, might you have any opinions on the Juniper SRX line (uses 
JunOS) vs the SSG line (uses ScreenOS)?  I know the SRX has about 4 times the 
throughput of the SSG line.

Thanks again...
--
richard

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Semi OT: Cisco versus Checkpoint & Juniper

At the low to mid-range, Juniper (with their SSG line) is more than 
price/feature competitive with CheckPoint, et al.  Things get dicier when you 
get up into the multi Gbit range, but for the scope of what was requested, they 
are a good fit.

Juniper messed up Netscreen from an organizational standpoint.  That's why some 
of them left (at the time of the acquisition) and formed Fortinet.

PA is more feature rich than the others, but the pricing is not for the faint 
of heart, especially at the lower-end of the scale.

Fortinet has a really good mix of feature and pricing, but I'm not happy with 
what they did at the low end with their last OS release -- allegedly in the 
name of performance/stability.  (Mind you, the features they took out of v5 all 
work with version 4 of their OS)

Sophos has done really well with their acquisition of Astaro, and their looking 
to take on the mid-market with their pricing and feature bundles.

Cisco strength, IMO, remains in core switch networking.  If they had to sell 
the ASAs without the benefit of the Catalyst family as a tie-in, they'd have 
given up that business long ago.  Same for their load-balancing prowess.   
Neither their pricing nor their feature set are appealing in areas outside of 
their core.

CheckPoint licensing has still not been simplified to the degree that I would 
like, and their strengths are more suited to large enterprises than SMB or the 
mid-market space.   Not a bad product by any stretch of the imagination, but 
you can get more for your money elsewhere.

That's just my view of the landscape...






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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Patrick Salmon 
mailto:psal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes. YMMV but the last client I worked with who looked hard at the very 
compelling PA story changed their mind after the sticker shock hit.

Oh and ASB, you quite sure about that? This came out last month at the MWC in 
Barcelona. 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/26/us-juniper-review-idUSBRE91P0S220130226?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=56505


On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't priced the PA stuff, but I had somehow picked up the idea that they 
were less expensive than Cisco.

Am I wrong about that?

I hope not, because everything I've heard about their products is tantalizing...

Kurt

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I would have mentioned the PA devices, but Pierre did indicate some price 
sensitivity... :)






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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
And I'm quite anxious to lay my hands upon a Palo Alto device and see what it 
can do.

EZ can probably talk your ear off about that...

Kurt

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Pierre,

I'm not that 

RE: Semi OT: Cisco versus Checkpoint & Juniper

[Richard McClary]

Interesting, thanks!

As for Juniper, might you have any opinions on the Juniper SRX line (uses 
JunOS) vs the SSG line (uses ScreenOS)?  I know the SRX has about 4 times the 
throughput of the SSG line.

Thanks again...
--
richard

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Semi OT: Cisco versus Checkpoint & Juniper

At the low to mid-range, Juniper (with their SSG line) is more than 
price/feature competitive with CheckPoint, et al.  Things get dicier when you 
get up into the multi Gbit range, but for the scope of what was requested, they 
are a good fit.

Juniper messed up Netscreen from an organizational standpoint.  That's why some 
of them left (at the time of the acquisition) and formed Fortinet.

PA is more feature rich than the others, but the pricing is not for the faint 
of heart, especially at the lower-end of the scale.

Fortinet has a really good mix of feature and pricing, but I'm not happy with 
what they did at the low end with their last OS release -- allegedly in the 
name of performance/stability.  (Mind you, the features they took out of v5 all 
work with version 4 of their OS)

Sophos has done really well with their acquisition of Astaro, and their looking 
to take on the mid-market with their pricing and feature bundles.

Cisco strength, IMO, remains in core switch networking.  If they had to sell 
the ASAs without the benefit of the Catalyst family as a tie-in, they'd have 
given up that business long ago.  Same for their load-balancing prowess.   
Neither their pricing nor their feature set are appealing in areas outside of 
their core.

CheckPoint licensing has still not been simplified to the degree that I would 
like, and their strengths are more suited to large enterprises than SMB or the 
mid-market space.   Not a bad product by any stretch of the imagination, but 
you can get more for your money elsewhere.

That's just my view of the landscape...






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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Patrick Salmon 
mailto:psal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes. YMMV but the last client I worked with who looked hard at the very 
compelling PA story changed their mind after the sticker shock hit.

Oh and ASB, you quite sure about that? This came out last month at the MWC in 
Barcelona. 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/26/us-juniper-review-idUSBRE91P0S220130226?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=56505


On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't priced the PA stuff, but I had somehow picked up the idea that they 
were less expensive than Cisco.

Am I wrong about that?

I hope not, because everything I've heard about their products is tantalizing...

Kurt

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I would have mentioned the PA devices, but Pierre did indicate some price 
sensitivity... :)






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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
And I'm quite anxious to lay my hands upon a Palo Alto device and see what it 
can do.

EZ can probably talk your ear off about that...

Kurt

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Pierre,

I'm not that fond of Cisco in the UTM space...

I would definitely select Juniper over Cisco, and Juniper will be better priced 
than CheckPoint.

Are you able to get Sophos UTM devices?  They have a very robust UTM line, and 
the pricing is better than many.

There's also Fortinet, although I'm not happy about what they've done with v5 
in taking away some of the features from the lower-end of the product line.

Regards,







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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Pierre-Marie Camilleri 
mailto:pmcamill...@laferla.com.mt>> wrote:
Hi all

Thought of posting this here in order to obtain some feedback. I am planning to 
replace our old firewall and have been looking at both Checkpoint and Juniper 
UTM appliances. Prices aren't cheap and was wondering how Cisco compares with 
these products (pricewise and features).
What we need is a UTM appliance offering Firewall, IPS, VPN  and Web Filtering. 
Does Cisco sell such an appliance and what are your experiences (good/bad)  of 
using Cisco for your network security.

TIA
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RE: Non-corp desktops and RDS

[Richard McClary]

+1!

Once things like PCI compliance require 2-factor authentication, there are 
things about company-issued hardware (MAC addresses, installed certificates, 
etc) which work as one of the factors.  Multiple passwords are NOT multi-factor 
for PCI.


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From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Non-corp desktops and RDS

Best thing to do, if possible and backed by everyone, is to give everyone 
laptops and write up a policy that non-corp owned devices are not supported.

Regards,

Don Guyer
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Services
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Subject: Non-corp desktops and RDS

How well is allowing non-corporate assets connect to a RDS session from home 
working for everyone. Using an SSL tunnel here. I am just starting initial 
testing with a few users and it is a nightmare.  Wrong Java, toolbars and popup 
blockers and layers and layers of crapware are causing tons of problems. And 
these are the alleged 'tech savy' users.

It is beginning to feel like a giant fail coming my way.

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RE: VMWare snapshot issue

[Richard McClary]

Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)?  
 To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours!

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VMWare snapshot issue

Hi Folks,

VMWare question for you VMWare gurus:  I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. 
 I  have one server that has many snapshots.  It is probably because BackupExec 
wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup.  This is only 
an issue on this server.  When I browse the datastore --> server name, I see at 
least 10 snapshots.  I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, 
but each time I get an i/o error.

Suggestions or is this a call to support?

Thanks,
Tom

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RE: OT?: Network connection on Eaton UPS

[Richard McClary]

Thanks – I was just about to follow-up!  Yes that adapter and serial cable have 
worked on everything else I’ve used it for.  Again, when things were “a bit 
off” (COM settings, etc), I would get connection errors rather than the blank 
console.

SO, forgetting these devices are all UPS’s, and that perhaps they might do the 
same @#*& as do those of other manufacturers…

One MUST use the serial cable from Eaton!  No other serial cable will work.  
Period.  Exclamation point.

Too bad it took nearly 2 days to figure that out.  Thanks for putting up with 
my noise…
--
richard

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT?: Network connection on Eaton UPS

Does the USB to serial adapter work on anything else?

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Richard McClary 
mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>> wrote:
Greetings!

We are now the proud owners of 6 Eaton 5PX-3000 UPS units, each with a network 
card which seems to do nothing useful.  (One of these may now be FUBAR, as far 
as network connection goes.)

The instructions say to connect to a serial port and run Hyperterminal, etc.  
They give the port settings, and they say to type “admin” to get to the control 
console.

Checking to be sure the serial port is listed as the correct COM port (USB 
adapter; it seems to choose among COM6, COM7, and COM8), I get a blank console 
screen.  (If port setting are not correct, I get a connection error.)

I had been using PuTTY.  Deciding perhaps PuTTY is not the best choice here, I 
found and installed Hyperterminal.  NEITHER give me anything but a blank 
console screen.

Eaton support says to wait 3 days for an answer (which would be tomorrow 
afternoon).
-

It was suggested I simply plug it into the LAN, let DHCP assign an IP, then 
connect to it that way.  Well, that made things worse!  I logged into the web 
GUI and changed the IP address and other settings for the desired subnet, etc.  
Well, connected to either subnet (using the appropriate IP for each subnet), it 
will not respond.  Again, as the serial connection will not work, I believe the 
network connectivity for that UPS is toast.

Anyone have better luck here?  It’s not supposed to take several days to set an 
IP address for these things.  Thanks!
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RE: Java 7 0day actively exploited in the wild | BeyondTrust

[Richard McClary]

Wonder if there's a negative-one-day exploit?

Thanks, though, just now got through doing a bunch of JRE upgrades.

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From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Java 7 0day actively exploited in the wild | BeyondTrust

Java released update 11 last night.

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From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Java 7 0day actively exploited in the wild | BeyondTrust



http://www.zdnet.com/homeland-security-warns-to-disable-java-amid-zero-day-flaw-709713/


From: Mark Boeck [netadmin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Java 7 0day actively exploited in the wild | BeyondTrust

lol - a friend of mine, a microsoft security mvp, starts her blog off like this:
how to uninstall java!
http://securitygarden.blogspot.com/2013/01/java-zero-day-again-time-to.html
only after that does she post some links about the threat

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RE: Time sync

[Richard McClary]

Thanks to all so far!

The drift goes off into minutes apart.

I presume somewhere in those TechNet articles is something (registry hack to 
workstations via GPO) that can have servers and workstations sync with the DC 
every 1-2 hours?  (At first skimming, it's not all that clear.)

Thanks again

-Original Message-
From: Steve Kradel [mailto:skra...@zetetic.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 10:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Time sync

How much time skew are we talking about here?  While MSFT will only support 
w32tm accuracy within 1-2 seconds, in practice I have found it to be stable 
within a tenth of a second or less, and would not feel compelled to look into 
very-high-accuracy NTP clients for regular non-scientific applications.  Do you 
have separate systems recording the timestamps of an incoming call and the 
creation of a linked medical record, or are things unreliable even on a single 
host?

--Steve

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Richard McClary  
wrote:
> Greetings!
>
>
>
> I'm sure I and many others have asked this (but are still stumped).  
> Ken S's reply yesterday pointing to ultimately a chain of TechNet 
> articles has shed some light and will start us digging.
>
>
>
> Microsoft admits W32Time is sloppy 
> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/939322)
> - mainly meant to make Kerberos v5 work.
>
>
>
> Our issue is, W32Time lets things drift enough for weird things to 
> occur in our medical records.
>
>
>
> We have a veterinary toxicology consulting hotline.  Because things 
> get out of sync a bit, we frequently have medical records opening 
> before a client's telephone call is received.
>
>
>
> The article referenced above essentially says to go find an 
> alternative to W32Time.  NIST has gathered a list of time sync 
> software.  QUESTION:  has anyone on the list used (and would 
> recommend) anything on that list to fix the "record created prior to the 
> call" situation?
> (http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/softwarelist.cfm)
>
>
>
> Thank you...
>
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RE: Selling SMB-specific IT stuff

[Richard McClary]

Straying a bit OT, but:

http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Bizarro/2012-12-15/

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Selling SMB-specific IT stuff

Regarding Craig's list...  I have a great reluctance to meeting someone in the 
parking lot of that store that burned down next to the light that doesn't work 
anymore.  The first two times, sure, but they all though my car was part of the 
deal both times and forgot to pay me.

:)
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Richard Stovall 
mailto:rich...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well, there's all that.  :)

I have had decent success limiting all that junk just using the local Craig's 
List.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
All I got on CL was people wanting to trade or have me ship to their 
brother/sister/boyfriend/girlfriend/aunt/uncle/best friend stationed in 
Korea/Vietnam/Iraq/Kuwait/Afghanistan even though my ad said US only.

Thanks


Webster

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 8:52 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Selling SMB-specific IT stuff

CL is less expensive and easier, IMHO.  It might be worth putting it up there 
for a couple of days.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
E-bay...wow how did I not think of that...

Thanks!

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 6:11 AM
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Subject: Re: Selling SMB-specific IT stuff

Ebay?

On 17 December 2012 13:54, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
A client of mine no longer uses a StorageTek L20 tape drive library so we are 
looking to give it a good home of it instead of sending it to scrap. Is there a 
better place than Craigslist to advertise this thing? It seems a little too 
specialized to expect a hit on CL.

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RE: Development System Crashed Every Few Days

[Richard McClary]

Add to Kurt's suggestions - see if there is a BIOS setting for sleep or other 
power saving settings.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Development System Crashed Every Few Days

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:01 AM, John Bonner  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As a software engineer I don't see many system issues so this one is 
> quite unusual to me. Every few days my system crashes and it "seems" 
> to occur overnight while the machine has gone to sleep. I say this 
> because the next time I use the machine it says "Resuming Windows" but 
> then after login nothing is open as I left it. Opening Chrome or IE 
> and I get the browse session closed unexpectedly restore windows? My 
> VM's are shut down and upon restart the VM's prompt me for restore or boot 
> normal options.
>
> Machine basics:
> Dell M6600
> 16GB Ram
> Win 7 Enterprise X64 SP1
> VMWare 9
> VS 2012
>
>
> I ran the Dell bios diagnostics including the full memory address 
> check and nothing turned up. Looking in the event log I always see a 
> chain of errors and then the crash happens. I have as of yet NOT torn 
> into the memory.dump but that will be the next step if nothing jumps out from 
> the event log.
>
> The vast majority of my errors are coming from the Service Control 
> Manager but almost random it seems. IKEEXT, ShellHWDetection, 
> IPBusEnu, etc. There is never a consistent event that starts the 
> downhill slide. The only thing consistent is something happens then 
> error after error till around 10 or so pile up within seconds and the 
> crash. Any advice or direction to start getting this figured out would be 
> greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA
> JB

o- If you configure your power settings so that the machine doesn't sleep, does 
still happen?

o- Is this a new machine that you've just configured, or is it an older machine 
- I can't tell from the model number if that's a new Dell or not. If it's old, 
have you updated any drivers recently or added new software?

o- Added new hardware recently?

Kurt

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RE: OT: IE Sucks!

[Richard McClary]

The music is distracting!  I keep imagining Bugs Bunny giving Elmer Fudd a 
shave.

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: IE Sucks!

http://browseryoulovedtohate.com/post/36807433541/do-you-know-this-guy
I send people here ^^

Several fun ones there.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Roger Wright 
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RE: OT?: Moving an old VMWare set

[Richard McClary]

Six is for a MAJOR expansion

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT?: Moving an old VMWare set

Just curiosity at work here but six hosts seems disproportionately high for 30 
VM's if those 30 VM's already run on a pair of ageing ESX 3.5 boxes?
____
From: Richard McClary [richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: 29 November 2012 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT?: Moving an old VMWare set
Greetings!  I know I really need to investigate VMWare support (shall do so), 
but in case anyone else has encountered this...

We are about to retire an old VMWare system and replace it with newer hardware.

Current system:

IBM x3650s (two), ESX 3.5, 3 ethernet ports (two for LAN, 1 for management), 
two fiber channel HBAs to datastore
IBM DS3400 SAN; 4 HBAs (2 to each ESX server)

The plan is to replace this completely with six IBM x3650M4s running ESXi 5, 
and iSCSI connections to a NetApp datastore.

The problem:  we have about 30 VMs on the DS3400, several of which are 
mission-critical (domain controllers, time clocks, etc).

I thought it would be possible to add additional NICs to the current servers, 
use those for an iSCSI connection to the NetAPP, configure a datastore on the 
NetApp, and then have the VMWare software copy of move the VM files from the 
old datastore to the new one.

It was pointed out to me, though, that the DS3400 is on a fiber channel 
equivalent of one VLAN, and the NetApp would be on another VLAN.  StorageMotion 
would not work.

Anyone out there ever encounter (and solve) this?

Thanks...
--
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RE: OT?: Moving an old VMWare set

[Richard McClary]

Not very easily.  Aside from keeping the old VM files in place permanently, how 
would that differ from dropping additional NICs in the old servers so it sees 
both storage devices?  Again, we would much prefer to move the VM files off the 
DS3400.

I found a "quick description" PDF at VMWare implying that Storage vMotion can 
move between different types of datastores.   It then tells the reader to see 
the release notes and the compatibility guides (which could well tell me 
otherwise).  I am now searching for compatibility guides...

Thanks for responding!
--
richard

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT?: Moving an old VMWare set

Can you drop an HBA on one of the new servers and connect it to the SAN so that 
Host can see both storage devices?

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
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From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT?: Moving an old VMWare set

Greetings!  I know I really need to investigate VMWare support (shall do so), 
but in case anyone else has encountered this...

We are about to retire an old VMWare system and replace it with newer hardware.

Current system:

IBM x3650s (two), ESX 3.5, 3 ethernet ports (two for LAN, 1 for management), 
two fiber channel HBAs to datastore
IBM DS3400 SAN; 4 HBAs (2 to each ESX server)

The plan is to replace this completely with six IBM x3650M4s running ESXi 5, 
and iSCSI connections to a NetApp datastore.

The problem:  we have about 30 VMs on the DS3400, several of which are 
mission-critical (domain controllers, time clocks, etc).

I thought it would be possible to add additional NICs to the current servers, 
use those for an iSCSI connection to the NetAPP, configure a datastore on the 
NetApp, and then have the VMWare software copy of move the VM files from the 
old datastore to the new one.

It was pointed out to me, though, that the DS3400 is on a fiber channel 
equivalent of one VLAN, and the NetApp would be on another VLAN.  StorageMotion 
would not work.

Anyone out there ever encounter (and solve) this?

Thanks...
--
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RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

[Richard McClary]

I'd much prefer not using telnet!  I see it to be about the same as doing 
remote management using the WiFi at the coffee shop with the laptop firewall 
disabled.  Not looking like Cisco offers a particularly good alternative, 
though.

From: Steve Kradel [mailto:skra...@zetetic.net]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 3:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

You might also check if sshd is configured to allow username + password login.  
The more secure choice is to require RSA/DSA authentication exclusively (oh, 
and not to use telnet whatsoever).

--Steve
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Kevin 
mailto:ke...@latenightgeek.com>> wrote:
It could be several things.
Improperly configured SSH server settings.
An SSH bug in IOS. (there have been several as i recall)
OR something i can't think of.

Something to put on your list of things to look into at a later time.

Glad the that mystery is solved though. Best of luck!

On 11/9/2012 9:51 AM, Richard McClary wrote:
> Tried an assortment of PuTTY configurations, including SSH 1, different 
> encryption settings, etc.  All returned the same message (looking at raw 
> captures) - encryption was successful, but authentication failed.
>
> Yes, finding either an old PuTTY, or another SSH client is possible.
>
> The main thing is, it is no longer a mystery.
>
> Thanks!-
>
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:34 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2
>
> OK - so not a Windows firewall issue.
>
> Does the Cisco allow ssh v1? If so, does using v1 work?
>
> As somebody else suggested, perhaps a newer or older version of putty might 
> work better.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Richard McClary 
> mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org><mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org<mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>>>
>  wrote:
> This is definitely a W2K8-to-Cisco situation.  Again, as per my reply to Kim, 
> the Cisco stack is still running SSH 1.99.  That SSH version seems to be the 
> cause.  (Weird, though, because the same copy of PuTTY on an MS OS other than 
> W2K8) will log into the Cisco stack just fine.
>
> Jonathan asked about the login box.  It is the Cisco login box, and it is 
> identical to what is seen when connecting from other OS.
>
> As to why connecting from Win2008 - well, we have a boss and (also) a network 
> guy in NJ.  Home office is on Manhattan.  Travel in that area is still rather 
> restricted.  Network guy has only his assigned laptop and is trying to work 
> remotely...  The Cisco switch is not allowing a connection from outside the 
> physical LAN (he is using Juniper Network Connect).  So, having been told 
> that the switch will accept a connection from within the LAN, he needed a 
> machine from within our LAN. Again, not having a desktop system within the 
> LAN, and he being our principal AD administrator, attempted to do his Cisco 
> work through one of the Win2K8 (NOT a DC!) systems he works on.
>
> From: Ziots, Edward 
> [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org><mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org>>]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:12 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2
>
> That wont do it.
>
> Have you set the putty.exe to run as administrator in the client properties?
>
> And definitely should be using SSH v2 and higher to manage your switches. I 
> just wonder why you are doing it from a Windows 2008 server?
>
> I put copied my putty.exe to a Windows 2008 R2 SP1 server and created a 
> session to my Backtrack 5 R3 box via SSH.
>
> Z
>
> Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
> Security Engineer
> Lifespan Organization
> ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org><mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org>>
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh 
> [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:06 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2
>
> Will the Windows client let you "telnet  22" ?
>
> From: Richard McClary 
> [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org<mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:41 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2
>
> Greetings!
>
> We use PuTTY for SSH sessions to manage various devices.  An issue has 
> recently been discovered by us here...
>
> We have no problem logging in to our Cisco Catalyst 3750 switch stack via SSH 
&

RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

[Richard McClary]

Tried an assortment of PuTTY configurations, including SSH 1, different 
encryption settings, etc.  All returned the same message (looking at raw 
captures) – encryption was successful, but authentication failed.

Yes, finding either an old PuTTY, or another SSH client is possible.

The main thing is, it is no longer a mystery.

Thanks!-

From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

OK - so not a Windows firewall issue.

Does the Cisco allow ssh v1? If so, does using v1 work?

As somebody else suggested, perhaps a newer or older version of putty might 
work better.

Kurt

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Richard McClary 
mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>> wrote:
This is definitely a W2K8-to-Cisco situation.  Again, as per my reply to Kim, 
the Cisco stack is still running SSH 1.99.  That SSH version seems to be the 
cause.  (Weird, though, because the same copy of PuTTY on an MS OS other than 
W2K8) will log into the Cisco stack just fine.

Jonathan asked about the login box.  It is the Cisco login box, and it is 
identical to what is seen when connecting from other OS.

As to why connecting from Win2008 – well, we have a boss and (also) a network 
guy in NJ.  Home office is on Manhattan.  Travel in that area is still rather 
restricted.  Network guy has only his assigned laptop and is trying to work 
remotely…  The Cisco switch is not allowing a connection from outside the 
physical LAN (he is using Juniper Network Connect).  So, having been told that 
the switch will accept a connection from within the LAN, he needed a machine 
from within our LAN. Again, not having a desktop system within the LAN, and he 
being our principal AD administrator, attempted to do his Cisco work through 
one of the Win2K8 (NOT a DC!) systems he works on.

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org>]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:12 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

That wont do it.

Have you set the putty.exe to run as administrator in the client properties?

And definitely should be using SSH v2 and higher to manage your switches. I 
just wonder why you are doing it from a Windows 2008 server?

I put copied my putty.exe to a Windows 2008 R2 SP1 server and created a session 
to my Backtrack 5 R3 box via SSH.

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org>

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:06 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Will the Windows client let you “telnet  22” ?

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Greetings!

We use PuTTY for SSH sessions to manage various devices.  An issue has recently 
been discovered by us here…

We have no problem logging in to our Cisco Catalyst 3750 switch stack via SSH 
from machines running Windows XP, Windows 7, or Windows 2003.  However, if we 
are logged into a Windows 2008R2 system…

Using PuTTY, we connect to the switch stack and get a login box.  After 
providing user name and password, we are denied access.

Using telnet (MS version enabled in the “Features” page of Control 
Panel/Applications), we can log in with no problem.

My preliminary Google searches seem to indicate that although SSH clients and 
servers are not a part of Windows 2008, it is supported.  So far, nothing 
regarding this inability to log in to other systems using SSH.  Again, this is 
weird as a telnet session from the same Windows 2008 machine gives access.

Anyone???  Thanks!!!
--
Richard D. McClary
Jr Infrastructure Architect, Information Technology Group
ASPCA®
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL 61802
richard.mccl...@aspca.org<mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>
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RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

[Richard McClary]

Well, I was about to give it up as hopeless and go work on something else.  Out 
of respect for someone who can send such a URL from an iPhone, I went back and 
tried a couple of re-arrangments of encryptions.  First was with (single) DES 
at the top.  Second was with Blowfish at the top.

Log files for either showed first "Successfully started encryption".  Later:

"Incomingpacket type 15 / 0x0f (SSH1_SMSG_FAILURE)
"Event Log: Authentication refused".

NOW I'm going to hang it up as hopeless and go work on something else.

Thanks to all - it's been educational if nothing else!
--
richard

From: Elijah Buck [mailto:elijah.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

See if the encryption algorithms are listed in a different order on the putty 
that works. 
http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.58/htmldoc/Chapter4.html#config-ssh-encryption

I've encountered a somewhat similar issue with older version of HP-UX.
Elijah
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:10 PM, "Randal, Phil" 
mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk>> wrote:
Which version of puTTY are you using?

If < 0.62, try that version.

If it's 0.62, does the latest development snapshot make any difference?

I vaguely remember having similar sorts of issues with older versions of puTTY 
on Windows 2K8 R2.

Cheers,

Phil
--
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Infrastructure Engineer
Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: 
phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk<mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk>

From: Richard McClary 
[mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org<mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>]
Sent: 09 November 2012 16:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Thanks...


1.   It connects for a few seconds, displaying "SSH-1.99-Cisco-1.25".  I 
never get a login prompt.  Any keystroke (or doing nothing for about 5 seconds) 
results in "Connection to host lost.)

2.   More playing here has shown that it the situation is not consistent.  
I can connect to my NetApp storage appliances using PuTTY (on the same Win2008 
server), right after being denied access to the Cisco switch stack.

3.   The switch not allowing access from a Windows2008 server via SSH (but 
allowing it through Win7 and below) is a stack of Cisco Catalyst 3750 switches. 
 Current firmware is 12.2(55)SE1-IP-BASE-CRYPTO

4.   So far, have not found anything useful at the Cisco site about this.

5.   A possible clue...  using "telnet  22" shows the SSH version 
of the remote system.  The Cisco, as mentioned, shows "SSH-1.99".  The NetApp 
and firewall systems all show "SSH-2.0".

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Will the Windows client let you "telnet  22" ?

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Greetings!

We use PuTTY for SSH sessions to manage various devices.  An issue has recently 
been discovered by us here...

We have no problem logging in to our Cisco Catalyst 3750 switch stack via SSH 
from machines running Windows XP, Windows 7, or Windows 2003.  However, if we 
are logged into a Windows 2008R2 system...

Using PuTTY, we connect to the switch stack and get a login box.  After 
providing user name and password, we are denied access.

Using telnet (MS version enabled in the "Features" page of Control 
Panel/Applications), we can log in with no problem.

My preliminary Google searches seem to indicate that although SSH clients and 
servers are not a part of Windows 2008, it is supported.  So far, nothing 
regarding this inability to log in to other systems using SSH.  Again, this is 
weird as a telnet session from the same Windows 2008 machine gives access.

Anyone???  Thanks!!!
--
Richard D. McClary
Jr Infrastructure Architect, Information Technology Group
ASPCA(r)
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL 61802
richard.mccl...@aspca.org<mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>
P: 217-337-9761
C: 217-417-1182
F: 217-337-9761
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RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

[Richard McClary]

OK, my bad!

I can't do an SSH session from any OS.  I just now checked the saved session 
configuration on the "successful" systems.  They are set for Port 23 (that is, 
telnet).

In other words, what I thought were successful SSH sessions in PuTTY all turned 
out to have been telnet sessions.

I've also tried setting SSH to SSH-1, DES, and 3DES.  All result in "Incoming 
packet type 15 / 0x0f (SSH1_SMSG_FAILURE)
Event Log: Authentication refused".

Anyway, thanks to all!

From: Randal, Phil [mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Which version of puTTY are you using?

If < 0.62, try that version.

If it's 0.62, does the latest development snapshot make any difference?

I vaguely remember having similar sorts of issues with older versions of puTTY 
on Windows 2K8 R2.

Cheers,

Phil
--
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Infrastructure Engineer
Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: 
phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk<mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk>

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: 09 November 2012 16:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Thanks...


1.   It connects for a few seconds, displaying "SSH-1.99-Cisco-1.25".  I 
never get a login prompt.  Any keystroke (or doing nothing for about 5 seconds) 
results in "Connection to host lost.)

2.   More playing here has shown that it the situation is not consistent.  
I can connect to my NetApp storage appliances using PuTTY (on the same Win2008 
server), right after being denied access to the Cisco switch stack.

3.   The switch not allowing access from a Windows2008 server via SSH (but 
allowing it through Win7 and below) is a stack of Cisco Catalyst 3750 switches. 
 Current firmware is 12.2(55)SE1-IP-BASE-CRYPTO

4.   So far, have not found anything useful at the Cisco site about this.

5.   A possible clue...  using "telnet  22" shows the SSH version 
of the remote system.  The Cisco, as mentioned, shows "SSH-1.99".  The NetApp 
and firewall systems all show "SSH-2.0".

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Will the Windows client let you "telnet  22" ?

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Greetings!

We use PuTTY for SSH sessions to manage various devices.  An issue has recently 
been discovered by us here...

We have no problem logging in to our Cisco Catalyst 3750 switch stack via SSH 
from machines running Windows XP, Windows 7, or Windows 2003.  However, if we 
are logged into a Windows 2008R2 system...

Using PuTTY, we connect to the switch stack and get a login box.  After 
providing user name and password, we are denied access.

Using telnet (MS version enabled in the "Features" page of Control 
Panel/Applications), we can log in with no problem.

My preliminary Google searches seem to indicate that although SSH clients and 
servers are not a part of Windows 2008, it is supported.  So far, nothing 
regarding this inability to log in to other systems using SSH.  Again, this is 
weird as a telnet session from the same Windows 2008 machine gives access.

Anyone???  Thanks!!!
--
Richard D. McClary
Jr Infrastructure Architect, Information Technology Group
ASPCA(r)
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL 61802
richard.mccl...@aspca.org<mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>
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RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

[Richard McClary]

D'Ya mean like this?



=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= PuTTY log 2012.11.09 10:57:48 =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

Event Log: Writing new session log (SSH raw data mode) to file: DeBug.log

Event Log: Looking up host "10.1.2.254"

Event Log: Connecting to 10.1.2.254 port 22

Incoming raw data

    53 53 48 2d 31 2e 39 39 2d 43 69 73 63 6f 2d 31  SSH-1.99-Cisco-1

  0010  2e 32 35 0a  .25.

Event Log: Server version: SSH-1.99-Cisco-1.25

Event Log: We believe remote version has SSH-1 ignore bug

Event Log: We believe remote version needs a plain SSH-1 password

Event Log: We believe remote version can't handle SSH-1 RSA authentication

Event Log: Using SSH protocol version 2

Event Log: We claim version: SSH-2.0-PuTTY_Release_0.62





Now, back to seeing what a "functional" connection looks like - thanks!



-Original Message-
From: Kevin [mailto:ke...@latenightgeek.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2



Try connecting with the "SSH packets and raw data" option enabled in the PuTTY 
logging screen. (don't forget the log file name)



That should get you an error message you can use.



You might also try comparing the PuTTY settings between the working and 
non-working systems.

In particular the Connection->SSH and Connection->SSH->Key screens.





On 11/9/2012 8:33 AM, Richard McClary wrote:

> This is definitely a W2K8-to-Cisco situation.  Again, as per my reply to Kim, 
> the Cisco stack is still running SSH 1.99.  That SSH version seems to be the 
> cause.  (Weird, though, because the same copy of PuTTY on an MS OS other than 
> W2K8) will log into the Cisco stack just fine.

>

> Jonathan asked about the login box.  It is the Cisco login box, and it is 
> identical to what is seen when connecting from other OS.

>

> As to why connecting from Win2008 - well, we have a boss and (also) a network 
> guy in NJ.  Home office is on Manhattan.  Travel in that area is still rather 
> restricted.  Network guy has only his assigned laptop and is trying to work 
> remotely...  The Cisco switch is not allowing a connection from outside the 
> physical LAN (he is using Juniper Network Connect).  So, having been told 
> that the switch will accept a connection from within the LAN, he needed a 
> machine from within our LAN. Again, not having a desktop system within the 
> LAN, and he being our principal AD administrator, attempted to do his Cisco 
> work through one of the Win2K8 (NOT a DC!) systems he works on.

>

> From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]

> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:12 AM

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

>

> That wont do it.

>

> Have you set the putty.exe to run as administrator in the client properties?

>

> And definitely should be using SSH v2 and higher to manage your switches. I 
> just wonder why you are doing it from a Windows 2008 server?

>

> I put copied my putty.exe to a Windows 2008 R2 SP1 server and created a 
> session to my Backtrack 5 R3 box via SSH.

>

> Z

>

> Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +

> Security Engineer

> Lifespan Organization

> ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org%3cmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org>>

>

> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]

> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:06 AM

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

>

> Will the Windows client let you "telnet  22" ?

>

> From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]

> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:41 AM

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

>

> Greetings!

>

> We use PuTTY for SSH sessions to manage various devices.  An issue has 
> recently been discovered by us here...

>

> We have no problem logging in to our Cisco Catalyst 3750 switch stack via SSH 
> from machines running Windows XP, Windows 7, or Windows 2003.  However, if we 
> are logged into a Windows 2008R2 system...

>

> Using PuTTY, we connect to the switch stack and get a login box.  After 
> providing user name and password, we are denied access.

>

> Using telnet (MS version enabled in the "Features" page of Control 
> Panel/Applications), we can log in with no problem.

>

> My preliminary Google searches seem to indicate that although SSH clients and 
> servers are not a part of Windows 2008, it is supported.  So far, nothing 
> regarding this inability to log in to other systems using SSH.  Again, this 
> is weird as a telnet session from the same Window

RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

[Richard McClary]

This is definitely a W2K8-to-Cisco situation.  Again, as per my reply to Kim, 
the Cisco stack is still running SSH 1.99.  That SSH version seems to be the 
cause.  (Weird, though, because the same copy of PuTTY on an MS OS other than 
W2K8) will log into the Cisco stack just fine.

Jonathan asked about the login box.  It is the Cisco login box, and it is 
identical to what is seen when connecting from other OS.

As to why connecting from Win2008 - well, we have a boss and (also) a network 
guy in NJ.  Home office is on Manhattan.  Travel in that area is still rather 
restricted.  Network guy has only his assigned laptop and is trying to work 
remotely...  The Cisco switch is not allowing a connection from outside the 
physical LAN (he is using Juniper Network Connect).  So, having been told that 
the switch will accept a connection from within the LAN, he needed a machine 
from within our LAN. Again, not having a desktop system within the LAN, and he 
being our principal AD administrator, attempted to do his Cisco work through 
one of the Win2K8 (NOT a DC!) systems he works on.

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

That wont do it.

Have you set the putty.exe to run as administrator in the client properties?

And definitely should be using SSH v2 and higher to manage your switches. I 
just wonder why you are doing it from a Windows 2008 server?

I put copied my putty.exe to a Windows 2008 R2 SP1 server and created a session 
to my Backtrack 5 R3 box via SSH.

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org>

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Will the Windows client let you "telnet  22" ?

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Greetings!

We use PuTTY for SSH sessions to manage various devices.  An issue has recently 
been discovered by us here...

We have no problem logging in to our Cisco Catalyst 3750 switch stack via SSH 
from machines running Windows XP, Windows 7, or Windows 2003.  However, if we 
are logged into a Windows 2008R2 system...

Using PuTTY, we connect to the switch stack and get a login box.  After 
providing user name and password, we are denied access.

Using telnet (MS version enabled in the "Features" page of Control 
Panel/Applications), we can log in with no problem.

My preliminary Google searches seem to indicate that although SSH clients and 
servers are not a part of Windows 2008, it is supported.  So far, nothing 
regarding this inability to log in to other systems using SSH.  Again, this is 
weird as a telnet session from the same Windows 2008 machine gives access.

Anyone???  Thanks!!!
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RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

[Richard McClary]

Thanks...


1.   It connects for a few seconds, displaying "SSH-1.99-Cisco-1.25".  I 
never get a login prompt.  Any keystroke (or doing nothing for about 5 seconds) 
results in "Connection to host lost.)

2.   More playing here has shown that it the situation is not consistent.  
I can connect to my NetApp storage appliances using PuTTY (on the same Win2008 
server), right after being denied access to the Cisco switch stack.

3.   The switch not allowing access from a Windows2008 server via SSH (but 
allowing it through Win7 and below) is a stack of Cisco Catalyst 3750 switches. 
 Current firmware is 12.2(55)SE1-IP-BASE-CRYPTO

4.   So far, have not found anything useful at the Cisco site about this.

5.   A possible clue...  using "telnet  22" shows the SSH version 
of the remote system.  The Cisco, as mentioned, shows "SSH-1.99".  The NetApp 
and firewall systems all show "SSH-2.0".

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Will the Windows client let you "telnet  22" ?

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SSH (PuTTY) session from Windows2008R2

Greetings!

We use PuTTY for SSH sessions to manage various devices.  An issue has recently 
been discovered by us here...

We have no problem logging in to our Cisco Catalyst 3750 switch stack via SSH 
from machines running Windows XP, Windows 7, or Windows 2003.  However, if we 
are logged into a Windows 2008R2 system...

Using PuTTY, we connect to the switch stack and get a login box.  After 
providing user name and password, we are denied access.

Using telnet (MS version enabled in the "Features" page of Control 
Panel/Applications), we can log in with no problem.

My preliminary Google searches seem to indicate that although SSH clients and 
servers are not a part of Windows 2008, it is supported.  So far, nothing 
regarding this inability to log in to other systems using SSH.  Again, this is 
weird as a telnet session from the same Windows 2008 machine gives access.

Anyone???  Thanks!!!
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RE: DNS?

[Richard McClary]

Let's see...  You have a private LAN, and you are hoping the public can reach 
the system at that same (private, internal) IP?

Why not register an external IP for that system, then do a mapped IP address 
("MIP") through your firewall?

From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: DNS?

You are accessing it from external though.  External is working fine.
I am wanting an internal zone since my domain is imcu.local and my mail is 
imcu.com...
I hope to God you can use the internal ip address from the wild.
That would send me home in a bucket.


From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Posted At: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:53 AM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: DNS?
Subject: Re: DNS?

For me it's the other way around...
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:46 AM, itli...@imcu.com 
mailto:itli...@imcu.com>> wrote:
Ok https://10.0.50.4/exchange works but https://mail.imcu.com/exchange fails???


From: Kennedy, Jim 
[mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Posted At: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:12 AM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: DNS?
Subject: RE: DNS?

That looks correct. Be sure to flush dns on the machine doing the lookup.

To be sure you should first do an nslookup on the domain's MX and make sure you 
get mail.imcu.com

nslookup
Set type=MX
Imcu.com

That should return mail.imcu.com

Then check the A record for mail.imcu.com and you should 
be good to go.

From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: DNS?

I'll recycle the dnscache and post my internal DNS records here to make sure I 
am doing it correctly.
New Primary Zone
IMCU.COM
imcu.com A 12.145.145.177.176
imcu.com MX mail.imcu.com
mail.imcu.com A 10.0.50.4(internal address))
www.imcu.com A 12.145.177.176  
(external address for managed website))
board.imcu.com A 10.0.10.21 (internal address))


Should that be all that I need?
I have vpn.imcu.com, ftp.imcu.com but 
they are programmatically only accessible through the firewall so outside in 
only.

After the recycle of dnscache I should be able to do an nslookup for 
mail.imcu.com and get the ip 10.0.50.4 just like in my 
hosts file(Which I have commented out until after this experiment works or 
fails)
Thanks




From: Kennedy, Jim 
[mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Posted At: Monday, October 29, 2012 8:18 AM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: DNS?
Subject: RE: DNS?

Did you also add an MX record for that domain pointing at 
mail.imcu.com?

Most MTA's will fall back to the A record for the domain, so you could also put 
up an A record for imcu.com. But I wouldn't count on that. 
Exchange didn't until 2007 or so.

From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: DNS?

I have added a new Forward lookup zone for IMCU.COM on my 
local active Directory.
I have added an 'a' record for 10.0.50.4 for 
mail.imcu.com  in that zone.
I do not resolve the mail to the ip.
If I add that record in my hosts file I can browse it easily.
What is wrong in my DNS set up?
Server 2003 active directory.


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OT Friday Funny - how to...

[Richard McClary]

OK, it's a truncation of a subject line in my Gmail spam box.  However, it may 
be a way to get quicker support from tech support:

[cid:image001.png@01CDADD9.08F62530]

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RE: OT: Scour redirect virus?

[Richard McClary]

Browse the site.  The posters for Stupida products look useful as well.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: Scour redirect virus?

I dunno. I do remember someone bringing it up on a list (perhaps this one) 
previously.

As soon as I saw it, I printed it out. I have it hanging on my wall, and I 
bring it down whenever someone paranoid about security starts to freak out and 
ask me "How do I keep them from accessing my bank account?!" 

I realize that the 1-page is supposed to be a joke... yet it isn't. Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Tom Yergeau
[mailto:tyerg.itm...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 12 Oct 2012
08:34:42 -0800
Subject: RE: OT: Scour redirect virus?


> Yes!  Awesome, thank you.  That was exactly the poster I was thinking 
> of when I said scissors security.  I think that it might have run in 
> eWeek or ComputerWorld years ago?
> 
>  
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:09 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT: Scour redirect virus?
> 
>  
> 
> LOL
> 
> 
> 
> ASB
> 
> 
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
> 
> 
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > > What's your definition of "scissors security" ?
> 
> http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/scissors.pdf
> 
> yuk yuk yuk!
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Yergeau
> [mailto:tyerg.itm...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 11 Oct 2012
> 10:50:32 -0800
> Subject: RE: OT: Scour redirect virus?
> 
> 
> > > What's your definition of "scissors security" ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cutting the internet connection, or at least running a VM on each 
> > desktop that's used for all internet access and reset to a baseline 
> > snapshot at
> the
> > end of each day.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the list of products, I'll check them out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:21 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: OT: Scour redirect virus?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> >
> >
> > What's your definition of "scissors security" ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Solutions like Bit9 Parity, CoreTrace Bouncer, Faronics 
> > Anti-Executable
> 
> >  , and 
> > Savant
> 
> > Protection are available today, and the cost per end-point is 
> > comparable
> to
> > traditional AV solutions.  There's also BitLocker from Microsoft.
> >
> >
> >
> > As with virtually all other technologies, increased implementations 
> > lead
> to
> > improvements in cost and refinements in the feature set.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ASB
> >
> >
> 
> >   http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
> >
> >
> > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.
> >
> > http://www.point2security.com/author.asp?section_id=2075
> >   9>
> &doc_id=248849>
> 
> > &doc_id=248849
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Tom Yergeau 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Unless we use "scissors security" how can we avoid things that even 
> > the experts can't isolate the code for?  This article a while back 
> > brought it
> 
> > all into focus for me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9231418/Elusive_TDL4_malware_va
> riant_
> 
> > infected_Fortune_500_companies_gov_t_agencies
> >
> >
> >
> > There are some promising products out there like Bromium, but that's 
> > for large environments, very new, and probably very expensive.  
> > Where does
> that
> > leave the rest of us?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:59 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: OT: Scour redirect virus?
> >
> >
> >
> > The thing about malware is that you really have to avoid it in the 
> > first place.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, seems like a Captain Obvious moment, but once the system is
> impacted,
> > a sophisticated piece of malware is going to do all in its power to 
> > stay
> out
> > of sight, including disabling common/popular AV products.
> >
> >
> >
> > I did see a lot of links about the Redirect Virus on AVG's community site:
> > http://forums.avg.com/us-en/avg-forums-search
> >
> >
> >
> > You may already have run into information such as 
> > (http://www.pchell.com/support/scour_redirect.shtml), which 
> > indicates how insiduous this malware can be.
> >
> >
> >
>

RE: How much is hype?

[Richard McClary]

Unless it whacks your NIC, I would agree it seems too good to be true.  Then 
again, it is probably so new that the zero-day exploits have not yet been found.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 11:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: How much is hype?

Sounds almost too good to be true:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57521983-83/exploitshield-appears-to-live-up-to-its-name/
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
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RE: Ping?

[Richard McClary]

Would you like something like this?  I'd be happy to forward this [whatever] if 
you wish...

[1] 2012-09-13 07:19:50 [Root]system-critical-00441: ICMP ping id=0! >From 
67.217.67.245 to 63.85.204.146, proto 1 (zone Untrust, int ethernet0/2). 
Occurred 1 times.
[2] 2012-09-13 07:19:47 [Root]system-critical-00441: ICMP ping id=0! >From 
202.173.24.245 to 63.85.204.146, proto 1 (zone Untrust, int ethernet0/2). 
Occurred 1 times.
[3] 2012-09-13 07:19:47 [Root]system-critical-00441: ICMP ping id=0! >From 
67.217.76.245 to 63.85.204.146, proto 1 (zone Untrust, int ethernet0/2). 
Occurred 1 times.
[4] 2012-09-13 07:19:45 [Root]system-critical-00441: ICMP ping id=0! >From 
68.64.19.214 to 63.85.204.146, proto 1 (zone Untrust, int ethernet0/2). 
Occurred 1 times.
[5] 2012-09-13 07:19:41 [Root]system-critical-00441: ICMP ping id=0! >From 
216.115.219.245 to 63.85.204.146, proto 1 (zone Untrust, int ethernet0/2). 
Occurred 1 times.
[6] 2012-09-13 07:19:41 [Root]system-critical-00441: ICMP ping id=0! >From 
216.219.112.245 to 63.85.204.146, proto 1 (zone Untrust, int ethernet0/2). 
Occurred 1 times.
[7] 2012-09-13 07:19:36 [Root]system-critical-00441: ICMP ping id=0! >From 
216.219.116.237 to 63.85.204.146, proto 1 (zone Untrust, int ethernet0/2). 
Occurred 1 times.


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Ping?

Anyone getting this?   I've sent 2 posts and haven't seen either.

-Paul
 


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RE: I don't see any problems with this

[Richard McClary]

Nope - it will be just like all the other botnets

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: I don't see any problems with this

Do you?

Kurt



http://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2012/09/get-ready-computers-worldwide-automatically-smother-cyber-strikes/57977/

By Aliya Sternstein
Nextgov
September 10, 2012

The federal government is strategizing to build a virtual community
that would prompt computers worldwide to instantly, en mass, suppress
cyberattacks, sometimes without humans at the keyboard.

The so-called cyber ecosystem would take “collective action” to
galvanize cooperation among networks, external devices, and consumers,
the Obama administration announced today.

“Computer systems, devices, applications and users will automatically
work together in near real time to anticipate and prevent
cyberattacks, automatically respond to attacks while continuing normal
operations, evolve to address new threats, limit the spread of attacks
across participating devices,” as well as share timely security
information, a government research solicitation stated.

The Homeland Security Department and National Institute of Standards
and Technology are seeking public input on the potential benefits and
challenges of the approach before forging ahead with construction.

[...]

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RE: Godaddy outage, Anonymous claiming responsibility

[Richard McClary]

Dang!  Now I can't see what happens next...  :(

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 1:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Godaddy outage, Anonymous claiming responsibility


GoDaddy Outage Takes Down Millions Of Sites, Anonymous Claims Responsibility | 
TechCrunch:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/10/godaddy-outage-takes-down-millions-of-sites/


Z
Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.org

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RE: Social media and real life

[Richard McClary]

Us really old ones are archived to a deck of punch cards as well...
-

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Social media and real life

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Jim McAtee  wrote:
> Old IT guys ... they don't burn out, they just fade away.

  "Old sysadmins don't die, they're just archived to tape!"

-- Ben

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RE: Social media and real life

[Richard McClary]

No, Who is a punk band from Britland, 50 years ago...

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Social media and real life

Who?  Is that a punk band from Seattle?



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com

From: , Paul mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com>>
Subject: RE: Social media and real life

Well, I think I am even with a smartphone and FB account.  I never heard of 
Steampunk until yesterday.


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RE: Backup software

[Richard McClary]

Check out UltraBac.  Great support (best part - rarely needed!), and they claim 
to have an AIX agent.

You can download their entire product and use it free for a month. I'm sure 
they'd be willing to work with you on AIX...

http://www.ultrabac.com

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 2:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Thanks 
I know many backup solutions exist and some look truly great; but unless they 
support 
IBM Unix "AIX version 4.3.3 and version 5.1" (requirements)

They are of no use to us here 
Mainly because we need to backup ALL our server

Regards
Nigel 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] 
Sent: 05 August 2012 00:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

AppAssure's Replay, now owned by Dell.  I have been using it for years.  Works 
fantastic, backup failures are rare.  Backup directly to standyVM, dedup, 
compression and encrypted replication to another Replay Core server.  Doesn't 
do Linux though.

Greg Sweers
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ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Seconded. It replaced NetBackup for us here, and it's been a positive move for 
the most part.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault.  I have no experience of 
> their AIX stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we
do, it
> has its quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a
morning with
> that wonderful "How many will have failed last night then?" feeling.
> 
> Any questions yell.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok point noted :-)
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know
Commvault
> do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity -
depending
> on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok thanks for the suggestions
> So I will investigate Commvault and EMC
> 
> I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients
As
> a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The
problem
> for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a
warehouse
> package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to 
> upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer
version
> and is about 60k to upgrade
> 
> Thanks
> For the suggestions
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
> 
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a 
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were
looking
> at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup 
> server and an lto5 tape drive
> 
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an 
> off site tape backup so this must remain)
> 
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this 
> should be ok for 2-3 years
> 
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 
> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape 
> drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!
> 
> Looking for a "supported" solution
> 
> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none 
> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version
"may"
> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging 
> quite a high premium for backing up to tape
> 
> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
> 
> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup 
> windows and Aix)  this would be an adv

RE: Recycling Resource

[Richard McClary]

Just don't let it get your shorts in a bunch!

-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Recycling Resource

Not sure if this is a positive or negative thread

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: John C Owen [mailto:jo...@innovativefoto.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Recycling Resource

Certainly sparked my interest

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Recycling Resource

  We've got a bunch of live wires in this group.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> I guess I wasn't shocked to see this.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Daniel Chenault
>  wrote:
>>
>> I have a bunch of dead batteries but I can't sell them to anyone.
>> They're no charge.

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RE: Recycling Resource

[Richard McClary]

In Illinois, at least, we have to pay (at least) $12 per CRT.

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Recycling Resource

Our Good Will no longer takes CRTs, and computers over 5 years old.  More than 
likely this is a result of e-waste laws, that prevent them from disposing of 
stuff without significant costs to them...
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, N Parr 
mailto:npar...@mortonind.com>> wrote:
Good Will takes almost everything.  They even told me last time we had a city 
recycling day to just call them and they will send a truck since I had all my 
old stuff shrink wrapped on a pallet.  They even take old batteries from my 
backups.


From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:26 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Recycling Resource

I occasionally have users ask about recycling personal electronics.  In the US, 
Best Buy has a free recycling program for many electronic items.  Here is a 
list of what they will or will not accept:

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/abn/2010/global/recycling/take_table/recycling_table.html?h=387


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RE: Recycling Resource

[Richard McClary]

It depends on your recycler...

A lot of stores will accept NiMH and alkaline batteries.  Fewer will accept 
LiON, and fewer still will accept small SLA's (sealed lead-acid) batteries from 
UPS's, etc.

We have a local recycler (big) that will accept the small SLA's and all the 
others.  However, large SLA's from automobiles, etc, they will actually pay you 
for them (but only for them).

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Recycling Resource

I have a bunch of dead batteries but I can't sell them to anyone. They're no 
charge.

Daniel Chenault
dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Recycling Resource

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, N Parr  wrote:
> Good Will takes almost everything.  They even told me last time we had 
> a city recycling day to just call them and they will send a truck 
> since I had all my old stuff shrink wrapped on a pallet.  They even 
> take old batteries from my backups.

  Batteries contain metals that have value, so they're a profitable item.  You 
can usually get money for them if you find a metals reclamation company.

  The tough ones are usually CRTs.  They contain unprofitable but toxic leaded 
glass, are bulky and heavy, and *nobody* wants them anymore.

-- Ben

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RE: SPF record question

[Richard McClary]

As someone mentioned recently, they're yahoos...

I was only sent a copy of a bounce message header.  I found no DNS code, but 
the text indicated they did not like our current SPF record.  (I don't either, 
but I can't tell if Yahoo doesn't like the SoftFail or cannot find our web 
mailer's info in the record.  The latter, again, I have requested information 
about but have yet to receive it.)

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SPF record question

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Richard McClary
 wrote:
> Yahoo mail has been bouncing our messages lately. (Perhaps recent events have 
> them being extra cautious?)  It's either because we have a SoftFail (and 
> clients have the option to reject SoftFail records), or we are lacking a 
> piece in our record.  (I will make that change once I get additional info 
> from our webhost.)

  Do they give a DSN code that implies SPF, or is it just a generic
rejection message?  (Note that Exchange is really bad about reporting
the details of an SMTP transaction.  You may need to crank up SMTP
logging to find out what the other end is trying to tell you.)  It
could also be that Yahoo's rejecting mail for some other random
reason.  They're good at that.

-- Ben

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RE: SPF record question

[Richard McClary]

R'd TFM many times (although not the RFC to completion), but mostly I was 
wondering about why a SoftFail would even be there.

One article which appeared from the Google search (thanks!) mentioned local 
caching and other things that can bite when updating SPF records.  It says it 
might be best to have the SoftFail for a couple of days or so, then go change 
it to a Fail.

Yahoo mail has been bouncing our messages lately. (Perhaps recent events have 
them being extra cautious?)  It's either because we have a SoftFail (and 
clients have the option to reject SoftFail records), or we are lacking a piece 
in our record.  (I will make that change once I get additional info from our 
webhost.)

Thanks for your help and patience...
--
richard

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SPF record question

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Tim Evans  wrote:
> I see a softfail as: If the SPF record doesn't match, just ignore it.

  No, that's what "Neutral" is.

  Geez, people, RTFMing is quite easy for this one.  :-)

  Direct quotes from http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4408:

None = no records were published by the domain

Neutral =  domain owner has explicitly stated that he cannot or does
not want to assert whether or not the IP address is authorized

Pass = the client is authorized to inject mail with the given identity

Fail = an explicit statement that the client is not authorized to use the domain

SoftFail = The domain believes the host is not authorized but is not
willing to make that strong of a statement

[end quotes]

  One application of "softfail" is testing.  It lets you deploy an SPF
record and see how it would fly in the real world, without actually
telling people to deny failures.

-- Ben

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RE: MS Updates Issues?

[Richard McClary]

By Wednesday July 18th, he may not have access to this forum, either...

-Original Message-
From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS Updates Issues?

I am currently out of the office.  I will return on Wednesday July 18th.  If 
you require immediate technical assistance, please contact the I.T. Help Desk 
at 788-0911 or helpd...@hnncsb.org.

I will not have acces to e-mail during this time.  I will respond to your 
messages upon my return.





>>> joe user  07/11/12 15:24 >>>

How long will it take before we get someone to wake up and kick these 
users that can't properly configure OOO messages? Hmmm?

Computerz r triky & hard!



On 7/11/2012 12:17 PM, Tom Miller wrote:
> I am currently out of the office.  I will return on Wednesday July 18th.  If 
> you require immediate technical assistance, please contact the I.T. Help Desk 
> at 788-0911 or helpd...@hnncsb.org.
>
> I will not have acces to e-mail during this time.  I will respond to your 
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RE: Straight Talk mobile service

[Richard McClary]

So, according to the first paragraph below, you already have 3 phones on 
StraightTalk ("...on the plan.")?

For how long?  How is it performing?

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Straight Talk mobile service

Actually I'm split in regards to that as well. I've got 3 phones on the plan. 
Me and my wife both have iPhones and my daughter just has a regular phone (no 
data plan), but wants an iPhone. My wife's contract has another 11 months to 
go, but me and my daughter are past the 2 year mark on our contract. Here are 
my initial calculations.

Staying on the current plan with AT&T:
Total cost over the next 2 years:
$4488

Switching over to Straight talk:
Total cost over the next 2 years (based on pre-paying yearly for each plan):
$3768

This includes the cost of early termination fee, new SIM cards, and the cost of 
purchasing a refurbished iPhone for ~$350. Also gives my daughter a data plan.

Kills me that I'm paying this much for phone service. Very eye opening. One 
thing that would also cut into the cost savings is if I want to get a new 
iPhone when the 5 eventually comes out ( this fall? ). Still looks like I'll 
save on the straight talk plan no matter what.

YMMV
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To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:07/09/2012 02:26 PM
Subject:RE: Straight Talk mobile service




No (locked into Sprint for most of the next 2 years), but I think my daughter 
may be very interested.  Thanks for the link!
--
richard

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Straight Talk mobile service

Anyone switch over from AT&T to this?

http://www.straighttalk.com/ServicePlans

Looks pretty interesting if you can deal with the limitations (cap at 2G for 
data, no visual voice mail), and for me they would be negligible.

Thanks
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RE: odd connectivity problem with PC.

[Richard McClary]

Well, it’s been a few years, but I have actually deleted the NIC (and all 
networking services) in the control panel, then re-installed them.  Painful, 
but that has worked.

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:04 PM
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Subject: Re: odd connectivity problem with PC.

The server can't PING the client. H can anything PING the client?

Would it be possible to statically assign the IP address of the client? 
Possibly on the same subnet as the domain controller? Just see if that works?

This client in a DMZ? Local domain controller ? Across WAN?



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From:"jesse-r...@wi.rr.com" 
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:07/09/2012 02:41 PM
Subject:odd connectivity problem with PC.




Have a single PC (Windows XP SP3) stuck in a Workgroup that is giving me
grief at an SMB customer.

-PC receives a valid DHCP address from the local DHCP server (Server1).
-PC is able to ping Server1 by IP and by DNS name.
-PC cannot join the domain for some reason (using NetBIOS name, errors with
"A domain controller for the domain XYZ could not be contacted, insure the
domain name is typed directly".
-PC cannot join the domain for some reason (using DNS name, errors with
"The following error occurred, attempting to join the domain 'XYZ.local'.
The network location cannot be reached."
-PC cannot access \\Server1 from Start->Run (errors with "\\Server 1 the
network path was not found."

Oddly enough, Server1 -cannot- ping the PC, even though the PC -can- ping
Server1 and the PC has the Windows Firewall disable (XP) (they are on the
same subnet as well).

Tried changing the NIC card after a similiar issue I read online, but that
didn't help either.  Verified PC has proper DNS settings (points to Server1
for DNS) as well.

Any idea what might be causing it?  Some kind of corruption with the IP
stack?  Finding this really odd.

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RE: Straight Talk mobile service

[Richard McClary]

No (locked into Sprint for most of the next 2 years), but I think my daughter 
may be very interested.  Thanks for the link!
--
richard

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Straight Talk mobile service

Anyone switch over from AT&T to this?

http://www.straighttalk.com/ServicePlans

Looks pretty interesting if you can deal with the limitations (cap at 2G for 
data, no visual voice mail), and for me they would be negligible.

Thanks
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RE: OT: making Firefox Sync work without another device

[Richard McClary]

It could be the BadTimes virus is still lurking about.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: making Firefox Sync work without another device

It was the MI5 black ops helicopters over your house that induced an EMF blast 
so large it fried all that stuff.  Might as well make you up a pan of gravy as 
anything fried needs some gravy to make it better. :)


Carl Webster
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From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Subject: Re: OT: making Firefox Sync work without another device

Sadly not. I still don't know what happened, but something in my house happened 
that caused two hard drives on a TeraStation to fail, two USB keys suddenly 
became blank, the SD card wiped on my Blackberry, and the BIOS failed on my 
laptop and my workstation. All instances of Firefox I had configured for FF 
Sync suddenly became history. I didn't allow for this level of failure in my DR 
plan :-)

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RE: RAID Explained

[Richard McClary]

Thank you - this is much appreciated!  Also glad to hear about Shooky - that's 
another name not seen lately

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: RAID Explained

John is deep down a really nice guy.  I have tried to help him a couple of 
times when I was at previous employer as we had techs in his general vicinity.  
His main issue was his previous employer that did carpets was #3 on the "10 
things I wish I'd known..." list from yesterday.  Even though he was given a 
budget amount, the employer would NEVER pull the trigger.  John also had lots 
of responsibilities but absolutely no authority to do anything.  I would have 
gone postal at that place.

John is a lot like Shooky Baby, he doesn't mind being made fun of if it is good 
fun.

BTW, Shookem is still alive and well and leaving on a trip to Guatemala this 
Saturday (church mission trip).


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From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Subject: RE: RAID Explained

Well, some of those configurations appear to be unstable.  That could lead to 
increased carpet sales!

(BTW, hinting at a particular person is one thing; giving his full name on a 
forum is something I'd prefer not seeing.  Thanks!)

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RE: RAID Explained

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Well, some of those configurations appear to be unstable.  That could lead to 
increased carpet sales!

(BTW, hinting at a particular person is one thing; giving his full name on a 
forum is something I'd prefer not seeing.  Thanks!)

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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:17 PM
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Here is an explanation of RAID that even John Aldrich could understand.

http://www.ghen.be/raid.jpg


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RE: making Firefox Sync work without another device

[Richard McClary]

Another good reason for Google Chrome...

I had a similar experience, only I didn't have a USB key.  I was to have a new 
PC in my office the next day (with the old one still on line for a few more 
days, so I thought), and I found FF Sync...

Next morning, SURPRISE! - the mother board on my POS 390 blew when I went to 
power it on.  I could mount the drive on the new PC, but I never could get what 
was in FF Sync.  (I did work with FF recovery tools for "backup/restore"-like 
functions and got most of them back.)

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 3:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: making Firefox Sync work without another device

I had all my bookmarks saved into Firefox Sync, which ran on my laptop and also 
from  the portable edition on my USB key. Due to unexplained events, both my 
laptop and USB key were wiped, so neither of these have Firefox on them any 
more. So how do I get my bookmarks back from Firefox Sync? If you load Firefox 
up, you can't sync without a code from another device, and if you generate a 
new recovery key all your data is removed! Anyone come across this issue and 
worked out a way around it, or should I get straight on to Mozilla?

Cheers,




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RE: RE: Free eBook: Introducing Windows Server 2012

[Richard McClary]

Well, depending on the age of your daughter...

What had been our local Borders is now a huge wine/beer/ale shop!

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 2:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: RE: Free eBook: Introducing Windows Server 2012

My heart sank this weekend when my daughter asked if we could go into Border's 
and we had to tell her no, because they had closed down.

Being in the field, I have to believe the strides in technology we make improve 
peoples' lives for the better...this time I did not have this feeling..

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
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From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Free eBook: Introducing Windows Server 2012

Definitely.
ASB

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Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Better page reflow.

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 1:05 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free eBook: Introducing Windows Server 2012

A couple other options, too, i.e, Kindle and paperback...

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/06/04/free-ebook-introducing-windows-server-2012/

Cheap for a book, don't you think?  $0.99 for a Kindle version, and $8.00 with 
a prime membership for the paperback.

The Kindle can read PDFs though...so I'm curious why anyone would opt for the 
$0.99 Kindle version.


From: Michael B. Smith 
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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free eBook: Introducing Windows Server 2012

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/microsoft_press/archive/2012/06/04/free-ebook-introducing-windows-server-2012.aspx

(From Paul Thurrott's winsupersite.com)

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RE: From SANS email...

[Richard McClary]

Better yet - what makes you think they (or others) are not trying?

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 3:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From SANS email...

Uh - that's exactly what happened. The plant was physically sabotaged
by agents of the US government.

Should that not be considered a war-like, or at least criminal, act?

What do you think the response would be if the reverse happened, and
some major piece of US infrastructure were damaged by agents of Iran?

Kurt

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
> So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also be 
> an act of war?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
>>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
>> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
>> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
>> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
>> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
>> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
>> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
>> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
>> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
>> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
>> value in the security community understanding that the game has
>> changed, and what it means.
>>
>> Well DUH!!!
>
> Indeed, not surprising.
>
> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
> acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>
> Kurt
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RE: From SANS email...

[Richard McClary]

Well, I think it was Tuesday, this generated traffic under the subject "Flame 
bait".  In a manner of speaking, one could say that we have wandered back 
ON-track.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From SANS email...

I see that we're on the verge of getting fair off-track on this thread...
ASB

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On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul 
mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com>> wrote:
So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also be 
an act of war?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From SANS email...
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>> wrote:
>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
> value in the security community understanding that the game has
> changed, and what it means.
>
> Well DUH!!!

Indeed, not surprising.

It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
acts of war absent a proper declaration.

Kurt

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Ping attack attempts

[Richard McClary]

Greetings!

Second time this has happened (that I know of, anyway) to us...

Every 10  minutes  (for the past 2 hours), some * sends about 2 dozen ping 
attempts to our firewall.  Obviously scripted, and probably spoofed IPs as 
well.  (Firewall is set to block external ICMP traffic.)

In ARIN, the IP addresses are assigned to an on-line video service 
(OVGuide.com).  That IP is part of the Internap system.  Again, though, the IPs 
are likely spoofed.

Other than turning off the alarms so that such attempts are no longer reported 
(which would reduce mail traffic), is this just something to live with?
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RE: Mail flow issue

[Richard McClary]

If the lower priority MX is not being used, how is that traffic showing up in 
the firewall to which the lower priority MX record is pointing?

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail flow issue

Are you certain the sending server is using the lower priority MX record? It 
bet it isn't. Check it's logs, see where it is trying to connect to.

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 2:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Mail flow issue

Greetings!

We are trying to work out an alternative path for mail intended for our 
email-to-fax system.  Mail is addressed to a fax number at the fax server.  The 
server receives it through an Outlook Express client, renders it, and dials the 
fax number in the address.

The snag is, the mail must come in from outside our network.  This works fine 
when it comes directly to the IL location.  However, we have had a couple of 
long outages where Illinois has no internet connection.  (Our office can still 
reach the internet if we route internet traffic through our WAN and use the New 
York internet connection.)

We have an MX record for the NYC location with a priority lower that of the IL 
location (tests out ok - we can see SMTP traffic entering the NYC internet 
firewall when we watch traffic for that firewall policy).

Internet firewalls at IL and NYC are both the same model of Juniper SSG-series. 
 Both have the same policies for allowing mail to the fax server.  WAN routers 
are all AdTran NetVanta 5305 (just in case this is a factor).

HERE IS THE PROBLEM - when the mail is routed through NYC, it never makes it to 
the server in IL.  We run trace route jobs from various systems from the NYC 
location (including console sessions from the firewall), and the route steps 
shown are as they should be.  The NYC firewall can ping the server in IL.

We "undo" testing procedures to use the IL internet connection, and all the 
test mails come in to the server.  Any idea what could be blocking mail traffic 
coming in through NYC?

Thanks...
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Mail flow issue

[Richard McClary]

Greetings!

We are trying to work out an alternative path for mail intended for our 
email-to-fax system.  Mail is addressed to a fax number at the fax server.  The 
server receives it through an Outlook Express client, renders it, and dials the 
fax number in the address.

The snag is, the mail must come in from outside our network.  This works fine 
when it comes directly to the IL location.  However, we have had a couple of 
long outages where Illinois has no internet connection.  (Our office can still 
reach the internet if we route internet traffic through our WAN and use the New 
York internet connection.)

We have an MX record for the NYC location with a priority lower that of the IL 
location (tests out ok - we can see SMTP traffic entering the NYC internet 
firewall when we watch traffic for that firewall policy).

Internet firewalls at IL and NYC are both the same model of Juniper SSG-series. 
 Both have the same policies for allowing mail to the fax server.  WAN routers 
are all AdTran NetVanta 5305 (just in case this is a factor).

HERE IS THE PROBLEM - when the mail is routed through NYC, it never makes it to 
the server in IL.  We run trace route jobs from various systems from the NYC 
location (including console sessions from the firewall), and the route steps 
shown are as they should be.  The NYC firewall can ping the server in IL.

We "undo" testing procedures to use the IL internet connection, and all the 
test mails come in to the server.  Any idea what could be blocking mail traffic 
coming in through NYC?

Thanks...
--
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SSL-VPN issues since May Patch Tuesday?

[Richard McClary]

Greetings!

We have four "work from home" users who connect to our applications through an 
SSL-VPN.  After well over a year of successful operation, things have broken 
the past couple of weeks...

The devices are all Juniper SA- series SSL-VPN, and users load and run the 
"Network Connect" resource.  (This makes the remote user's desktop to be 
treated as if it is a part of our LAN.)

We have two hardware versions - SA-2000 in Illinois and SA-4500 in New York.

We have two firmware versions - 6.4 in NYC and on one unit in IL; 7.1 on one 
unit in IL.

The users are in 4 geographic areas - Pittsburgh, PA; Chicago, IL; St. Louis, 
MO; and central Iowa.

Our users connect, load their applications, and begin working as usual (albeit 
recently the initial access to the web page login has been timing out).  Then 
frequently, after 5-10 minutes of work, the connection to their server for 
applications (that is, the VoIP controller for their local telephone client; 
connection to the databases for their local medical records application, etc) 
will break.

This is regardless of logging into the IL-6.4 appliance, the IL-7.1 appliance, 
or the NYC-6.4 appliance.

Juniper has been collecting logs from both the SSL-VPN devices and the user's 
client logs, and they are finding nothing conclusive.  Furthermore, when a 
"disconnected" client runs a tracert job to the VoIP or database service, the 
first hop is to the SSL-VPN, then on to the destination server.  Yet their 
connection in the application breaks.

The only thing we can figure which has changed the past couple of weeks is MS 
patching or perhaps GFI VIPRE definitions.  (If VIPRE were breaking things, 
then our admins should be getting notices about that, and they are not.)

So, has anybody (else) heard reports of SSL-VPN functions not working 
consistently after the recent set of MS patches (from May, 2012)?
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RE: Thinking about buying some Juniper SSG20s

[Richard McClary]

Well, we considered their NS-50 to be solid, but they went past their service 
life.  We have been very happy with the SSG-320's ever since.  The GUI may take 
a wee bit of getting used to, but once you do, it's pretty consistent 
throughout.

A year or so back, we changed internet providers.  That changed a few things, 
such as the IP address for the "untrusted zone" and for all of the mapped IP 
addresses in our publicly-available sites.  No problem!  We were able to export 
the configuration as a simple text file, make the appropriate IP address 
changes with a text editor, and import them back in.

In no way has management been a PITA!

Juniper tech support has been excellent for some of their other products.  
Thing is, though, I can't recall us ever having to use their support for our 
Juniper firewalls.
--
richard

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Thinking about buying some Juniper SSG20s

Just looking for info on general experiences with them such as, are they solid 
or a POS? How is their tech support? Is the UI to set them up any good or is it 
a PITA.? Just general stuff; I can see by the specs on their site that they 
meet or throughput and connection requirements and they do web filtering, they 
seem a little bit cheap in price though and that makes me leery.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:24 PM, James Kerr 
mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Anyone running any of these SSG boxes? I'm thinking about getting some to
>> replace our Firebox 750's; any feedback would be most appreciated.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, James Kerr 
mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Nobody? I guess I better take a second look at Sonicwall.
 Give a some information about your requirements, and you might get
better responses.  :)

 Or, if you prefer snarky: "Yes, people are running those boxes.
What else can we help you with?"  :)

-- Ben

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RE: Thinking about buying some Juniper SSG20s

[Richard McClary]

I'm just not familiar with the SSG20.  We have been Juniper customers for many 
years, having migrated from the Netscreen 50's to SSG-320's recently.  We have 
been quite happy with them.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Thinking about buying some Juniper SSG20s

Nobody? I guess I better take a second look at Sonicwall.
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:24 PM, James Kerr 
mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Heh guys,

Anyone running any of these SSG boxes? I'm thinking about getting some to 
replace our Firebox 750's; any feedback would be most appreciated.

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RE: Help w/DNS MX records

[Richard McClary]

Thanks.  Comments in-line...



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:01 PM




  I really, strongly, highly, and in all other ways recommend that you

specify things using FQDNs (with trailing dots) everywhere in your DNS

zone files.  Relative domain names in zone files tend to surprise

people who don't have a real strong awareness of what's going on in

the zone.  Example (counter to the above):



faxcore1.mrwo.aspca.org. MX 10 faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.

faxcore1.mrwo.aspca.org. A 63.85.204.151



  I suspect those useless  domain names came about

because of confusion around the absolute/relative distinction, so this

isn't just me being preachy.  Better practices would have likely saved

us both a lot of trouble already.



Yup!  You personally, with replies not only to me but to others as well, have 
improved many of my practices.







  That much I got.  I'm still unclear on all those other MX records

you alluded to ( and friends).  Maybe they

don't matter.  Maybe they do.  I can't really say without more

information.



They began to matter as soon as we added that second "faxcore" record.





  Okay, so, basically, you've got two domain names with corresponding

IP addresses:



faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.   A   63.85.204.151

faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org.   A   38.96.187.231



  One of those IP addresses is your Illinois Internet connection.  The

other is your NYC Internet connection.  Both IP addresses forward to

the same private IP address inside your firewalls.  Your private WAN

will handle routing of NYC to Illinois, independent of the Internet.

Do I have this right?



  If so, I think your basic plan is sound.



Thanks!



The only reason I was able to get the Cogent system to accept an MX record for 
faxcore1 was, I had a typo in the line.  Once I corrected the spelling, then 
the system would not take it.  (The technician at Cogent could not make the 
system take it, either.  Whatever DNS system they are running will not accept 
"redundancies".



My solution (as we were unable to get fax mail to come back to Illinois 
directly) was to create another A record with the same IP address of faxcore1 -



faxcore3.mwro.aspca.org.  A 63.85.204.151



Then the MX record -



faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.  MX 10 faxcore3.mwro.aspca.org.



After the TTL period passed, the fax mail again began coming to Illinois.



> Only the MX 20 record is showing up in nslookup queries.



  Don't use NSLOOKUP; use DIG.



  The discrepancies you describe may have been due to DNS caching, or

simply because Cogent's back-end systems/processes hadn't finished the

request update yet.  Or maybe Cogent just screwed up.  :)



  You do still have some minor eirdness in your public-facing DNS.

Here's what I'm seeing now:



faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org. A   63.85.204.151

faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org. MX  20 faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org.

faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org. MX  10 faxcore3.mwro.aspca.org.

faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org. A   38.96.187.231

faxcore3.mwro.aspca.org. A   63.85.204.151



  While that will do what you want (I think), having three separate A

records like that is pointless complication.  It's likely to be rather

confusing when you have to revisit it three years from now or

whatever.



  Try this on for size:



faxcore.mwro.aspca.org.   MX 10 faxcore-illinois.mwro.aspca.org.

faxcore.mwro.aspca.org.   MX 20 faxcore-nyc.mwro.aspca.org.

faxcore-illinois.mwro.aspca.org.  A  63.85.204.151

faxcore-nyc.mwro.aspca.org.   A  38.96.187.231

faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.  CNAME  faxcore.mwro.aspca.org.

faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org.  CNAME  faxcore.mwro.aspca.org.

faxcore3.mwro.aspca.org.  CNAME  faxcore.mwro.aspca.org.



  The above declares a domain , with two mail

exchangers, and no other records -- making it clear that the domain's

purpose is solely to handle mail.  The two mail exchangers have names

reflecting where they are, which should also help make clear why the

priorities are set the way they are.  Finally, the legacy 1/2/3 names

are CNAME'ed so things keep working the way they have, but with the

implication that those names are not the best way to look at it.



  Whenever possible, I try to make things self-documenting.



Great suggestion!



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RE: Help w/DNS MX records

[Richard McClary]

OK, you were right about not being able to add  "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.   
 MX 10   faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org." being broken.  Things with  Cogent got 
straightened out, so I've added that record.

faxcore1.mrwo.aspca.org. IN  MX 10   
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.
faxcore1.mwro   IN  A 
63.85.204.151
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org. IN  MX 20   
faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org.
faxcore2.mwro   IN  A 
38.96.187.231

Again the background - faxcore1 is an email-to-fax gateway.  It needs to 
receive email addressed to it but be separate from the incoming mail from the 
rest of ASPCA.ORG.

Faxcore2 is the same machine as faxcore1 (once it makes it into our wide area 
network), The purpose of all this is to provide a route for incoming fax mail 
through New York when the Illinois internet connection is broken.

Sorry about using the term "MIP", but someone else realized I was using Juniper 
and answered those questions.

Interesting thing, though...  Only the MX 20 record is showing up in nslookup 
queries.  Time to call Cogent...
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Help w/DNS MX records

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Richard McClary 
mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>> wrote:
> I was "distracted" by the presence of the trailing dots rather than the
> absence of anything meaningful (like a domain name) prior to the dot.

 The two things are related.  When it comes to a DNS server, unqualified names 
typically get the origin appended.  Consider:

$ORIGIN aspca.org<http://aspca.org>.
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>. A 63.85.204.151
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>  A 63.85.204.151

  The above describes two different domains.  They second record will be 
qualified with the origin.  The computer thus ends up using:

faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.  A 
63.85.204.151
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.aspca.org<http://aspca.org>.
A 63.85.204.151

  While technically valid, it's not very useful.  :)

  This behavior exists so one can do things like this:

$ORIGIN aspca.org<http://aspca.org>.
www   A   184.106.10.179
webmail   A   65.206.80.44
$ORIGIN mwro.aspca.org<http://mwro.aspca.org>.
faxcore1  A   63.85.204.151
foo   A   192.0.2.37

  As shorthand for:

www.aspca.org<http://aspca.org>.A   184.106.10.179
webmail.aspca.org<http://aspca.org>.A   65.206.80.44
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://mwro.aspca.org>.  A   63.85.204.151
foo.mwro.aspca.org<http://mwro.aspca.org>.   A   192.0.2.37

> SO, the original MX, "faxcore1.mwro.", did nothing (but it did not get in
> the way or otherwise break things).

  Correct.

> Adding another one ... pointing to another address also did nothing...

  Correct.

> MX record now says "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.  
>  MX 20
> faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org."

  Looks good as far as DNS is concerned.  Without knowing anything about 
http://faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org>.>, I can't comment on 
whether it will do anything sensible.  :)

> The record "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.  
> MX
> 10faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.", Cogent tells me, is redundant and won't be
> created.

  That's broken.

$ dig +noall +nocl +nottl +ans ANY 
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>. A  63.85.204.151
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>. MX 20 
faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org>.
$

  The above says two things:

1. http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.> is a host with IP 
address <63.85.204.151>.

2. Mail for http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.> is 
handled by http://faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org>.> at all 
times.

  Note the complete absence of telling mail to go to 
http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.> at any point.

  You really need to start looking at what these records mean.  DNS tells the 
computer what to do.  If you don't understand what you're telling the computer 
to do, you're going to have trouble.

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RE: Help w/DNS MX records

[Richard McClary]

Thanks, I believe I'd finally figured this out...

I was "distracted" by the presence of the trailing dots rather than the absence 
of anything meaningful (like a domain name) prior to the dot.

SO, the original MX, "faxcore1.mwro.", did nothing (but it did not get in the 
way or otherwise break things).  Adding another one also did nothing pointing 
to another address also did nothing...

MX record now says "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.   MX 20
faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org."

The record "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.  MX 10
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.", Cogent tells me, is redundant and won't be created.

Time for more testing; thanks!
--
richard

From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Help w/DNS MX records

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Richard McClary 
mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>> wrote:
> The trailing dots on the LHS were there from when records including
> Faxcore were imported first from AT&T (which may have put them in
> somewhat automatically in their web interface) to Internap, and then
> from Internap to Cogent.

 That seems to translate as, "We have no idea why those records are there."  :)

> SO, to summarize, before my next test, I should:

 I don't have enough information to tell you what you "should" do.

 But I suspect your DNS records aren't doing what you think they are.

 In standard notation, a fully-qualified domain name (FQDN) ends in a dot.  If 
there is no dot, it's assumed to be a relative domain name.  For relative 
domain names, the origin and/or search path can/will get involved.

 http://www.microsoft.com>.> is an FQDN.  
http://microsoft.com>.> is an FQDN.   is an FQDN.  <.> is 
an FQDN.

 http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.> is an FQDN.

 http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>> is not an FQDN.

  is not an FQDN.

  is an FQDN.

 So when you see:

faxcore1.mwro A   63.85.204.151
faxcore1.mwro.MX  10  
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.

... I suspect the computer sees:

faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://aspca.org>.A   63.85.204.151
faxcore1.mwro.  MX  10  
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.

  While the name  is valid according to the DNS protocol, in 
the public DNS structure, it's not delegated from the root, so nobody will find 
it.  To wit:

> dig +noall +ans ANY faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>. 
> @auth1.dns.cogentco.com<http://auth1.dns.cogentco.com>.
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org<http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>. 600IN  A   
63.85.204.151
> dig +noall +ans ANY faxcore1.mwro. 
> @auth1.dns.cogentco.com<http://auth1.dns.cogentco.com>.
>

  I have no idea if this is related to your other issues.  But you should 
prolly get a handle on your DNS even if this is unrelated.

  Oh, I bet I know what's going on.  The RFCs say that in the absence of an MX 
record, an SMTP implementation should try for an A record, and if it gets one, 
assume that is the mail exchanger.  So when DNS clients try for an MX record 
for http://faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org>.>, they don't get 
one, but then try for an A record, and succeed.  The bogus  
record never gets involved.

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RE: Help w/DNS MX records

[Richard McClary]

Thank you...

Well, there is a mix of things...  The first record should have been (I left 
out a trailing dot on the RHS for MX):

faxcore1.mwro.  MX 10   faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.

The trailing dots on the LHS were there from when records including Faxcore 
were imported first from AT&T (which may have put them in somewhat 
automatically in their web interface) to Internap, and then from Internap to 
Cogent.

On the second record, since the trailing dots were there for MX records for 
faxcore1.mwro, I added one for the faxcore2.mwro record.

SO, to summarize, before my next test, I should:

1. Leave the trailing dot on the RHS for the MX record data, and

2. Delete the trailing dot on the LHS for both MX records (although all was 
working despite the LHS trailing dot when there was only one record)?

Once verified that the LHS dots are indeed a problem, I'll make the DNS changes 
and try again.  I'll then let you know.

Thanks again!
--
richard

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Help w/DNS MX records

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Richard McClary
 wrote:
> Currently, we have these DNS entries with Cogent:
> faxcore1.mwro A 63.85.204.151
> faxcore1.mwro.    MX  10  faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org

  What's with the trailing dot at the end of the LHS (left hand side)
of the second record?

  The above two records -- as given -- likely describe two different
domain names.

  The first record's LHS is a relative name .  You
don't give the origin, but if the origin is , then the
FQDN would be 

  The second record's LHS is an FQDN .  Full stop,
nothing more.  So the top-level domain (akin to ) would be
, which is not registered.  It's very unusual to have that in a
public-facing DNS server.  It generally doesn't work.

  Is that dot really there?  Or is it a typo in your transcription?

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RE: Help w/DNS MX records

[Richard McClary]

Something I later figured out might not work (last few lines below)...

I simply disabled the firewall policy enabling mail traffic through the 
Illinois firewall.  My guess is, since there was an internet connection to 
Illinois, and the policy was disabled for fewer than, say, 10 minutes (more 
like 5), it was a poor test as DNS was still directing mail to the higher 
priority address.

Thanks!
--
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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Help w/DNS MX records

What did you do to test the pathway into NYC?

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Help w/DNS MX records

Greetings!

We have an email-to fax gateway (Faxcore).  Our email system is hosted Exchange 
(Perimeter), and our external DNS is hosted by Cogent.

The external FQDN for the gateway is "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org".  There is an MX 
record for "faxcore1.mwro." with the data entry "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org."  
(priority of 10).  This is MIP'd in through our firewall to the IP address for 
"faxcore1.aspca.local".  There is an MX record "faxcore1.aspca.local".

We send faxes, either through the user's Exchange client or through a scripted 
reports system, to "[Phone_Number]@faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org".  Mail leaves our 
network, is processed by the Perimeter system, and mail meant for faxcore1 is 
delivered to the gateway through the MIP'd port in the firewall.  The gateway 
then processes the mail, digitized it, dials the recipient's fax machine , and 
all is well (barring other problems).

We are in Illinois.  We have a WAN cloud to our NYC offices.

Now, regarding "other problems"...   We had a 25 hour internet outage a month 
ago.  Internet traffic was re-routed into the WAN cloud, so much of what we 
needed from the internet was available.  However, with the internet connection 
"broken", all our MIP'd DNS entries had no way back into our firewall.

We are trying to alter things so that, if the Illinois firewall is down, 
Faxcore traffic is re-directed to an NYC firewall and come to Illinois via the 
WAN cloud.

Currently, we have these DNS entries with Cogent:

faxcore1.mwro A 63.85.204.151
faxcore1.mwro.MX  10  faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org

(this works when the Illinois internet connection is up)
I've added:

faxcore2.mwro A 38.96.187231
faxcore1.mwro.MX  20  faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org.

The NYC firewall has the 38.x.x.x address MIP'd and has the same policy 
settings as the Illinois firewall.

Now to test...
I disable the Faxcore policy in the Illinois firewall.  I'd like to think that 
mail routing would then use the MX record with the lower priority and try 
sending it through NYC.  NOPE!  Messages do not make it to Faxcore to be 
processed.  I see no traffic through the NYC firewall.  (FWIW, I've also added 
an MX record, priority 25, for faxcore2.aspca.local. .)

After 5 minutes or so (as Faxcore is a production machine sending out about 100 
or so medical records per day), I re-enable the Faxcore policy on the Illinois 
firewall.  The test faxes soon arrive once Illinois is back accepting traffic.

So, if I could get some assistance, I figure at least one of the following:


1.   I do not have MX records set properly

2.   Mail traffic is not going to NYC because the Illinois firewall is 
accepting internet traffic (but is blocking mail)

Anything else?  That 25-hour internet outage made for a really bad back-log for 
our Client Services group to sort through, re-send, contacting clients, etc...

Thanks!
--
Richard D. McClary
Jr Infrastructure Architect, Information Technology Group
ASPCA(r)
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL 61802
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Help w/DNS MX records

[Richard McClary]

Greetings!

We have an email-to fax gateway (Faxcore).  Our email system is hosted Exchange 
(Perimeter), and our external DNS is hosted by Cogent.

The external FQDN for the gateway is "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org".  There is an MX 
record for "faxcore1.mwro." with the data entry "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org."  
(priority of 10).  This is MIP'd in through our firewall to the IP address for 
"faxcore1.aspca.local".  There is an MX record "faxcore1.aspca.local".

We send faxes, either through the user's Exchange client or through a scripted 
reports system, to "[Phone_Number]@faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org".  Mail leaves our 
network, is processed by the Perimeter system, and mail meant for faxcore1 is 
delivered to the gateway through the MIP'd port in the firewall.  The gateway 
then processes the mail, digitized it, dials the recipient's fax machine , and 
all is well (barring other problems).

We are in Illinois.  We have a WAN cloud to our NYC offices.

Now, regarding "other problems"...   We had a 25 hour internet outage a month 
ago.  Internet traffic was re-routed into the WAN cloud, so much of what we 
needed from the internet was available.  However, with the internet connection 
"broken", all our MIP'd DNS entries had no way back into our firewall.

We are trying to alter things so that, if the Illinois firewall is down, 
Faxcore traffic is re-directed to an NYC firewall and come to Illinois via the 
WAN cloud.

Currently, we have these DNS entries with Cogent:

faxcore1.mwro A 63.85.204.151
faxcore1.mwro.MX  10  faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org

(this works when the Illinois internet connection is up)
I've added:

faxcore2.mwro A 38.96.187231
faxcore1.mwro.MX  20  faxcore2.mwro.aspca.org.

The NYC firewall has the 38.x.x.x address MIP'd and has the same policy 
settings as the Illinois firewall.

Now to test...
I disable the Faxcore policy in the Illinois firewall.  I'd like to think that 
mail routing would then use the MX record with the lower priority and try 
sending it through NYC.  NOPE!  Messages do not make it to Faxcore to be 
processed.  I see no traffic through the NYC firewall.  (FWIW, I've also added 
an MX record, priority 25, for faxcore2.aspca.local. .)

After 5 minutes or so (as Faxcore is a production machine sending out about 100 
or so medical records per day), I re-enable the Faxcore policy on the Illinois 
firewall.  The test faxes soon arrive once Illinois is back accepting traffic.

So, if I could get some assistance, I figure at least one of the following:


1.   I do not have MX records set properly

2.   Mail traffic is not going to NYC because the Illinois firewall is 
accepting internet traffic (but is blocking mail)

Anything else?  That 25-hour internet outage made for a really bad back-log for 
our Client Services group to sort through, re-send, contacting clients, etc...

Thanks!
--
Richard D. McClary
Jr Infrastructure Architect, Information Technology Group
ASPCA(r)
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL 61802
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RE: new to VOIP

[Richard McClary]

Neither apply to me.  However, I do know that I can put bottled water into the 
radiator of a ’67 Camaro.

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: new to VOIP

But only if you own 2 bathtubs or can throw a football through a tire swing…

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: new to VOIP

Don't know about the rest of it, but I hear there's a pill you can take for the 
whole ED thing.
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Chinnery, Paul 
mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com>> wrote:
Thanks to everyone for there replies (now and in the future :) ).

I will definitely get a complete net survey done.  We've also got a nurse call 
system coming in, new ED and OR expansion.  Busy, busy, busy.

From: Richard McClary 
[mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org<mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:30 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: new to VOIP

+1

Our vendor (Interactive Intelligence) began by examining our LAN, our telephony 
providers, etc, and assisted in having all that up and ready for the VoIP 
transition.

Once all was in place (again with their assistance), the cut-over was nearly 
snag-free.  We have had very few problems after 4+ years.

(In other words, it’s best to find a vendor who will check things from 
beginning-to-end rather than deciding you know enough and try to do all from 
scratch!)
--
richard

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: new to VOIP

We just switched over about 18 months ago. Are you expecting the vendor to 
provide support and training to both IT and end users? I would consider that 
key as it made our transition a little less painful.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com<mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com>]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: new to VOIP

Hello all,

I've just been informed that we will be switching to VOIP.  Although details 
aren't complete (project timeline, vendor), I need to dig into VOIP details and 
familiarize myself with possible problems, QoS, etc.  Can anyone recommend a 
couple of good books on VOIP?

Thanks,

Paul Chinnery
Network Admin
Memorial Medical Center
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RE: new to VOIP

[Richard McClary]

+1

Our vendor (Interactive Intelligence) began by examining our LAN, our telephony 
providers, etc, and assisted in having all that up and ready for the VoIP 
transition.

Once all was in place (again with their assistance), the cut-over was nearly 
snag-free.  We have had very few problems after 4+ years.

(In other words, it's best to find a vendor who will check things from 
beginning-to-end rather than deciding you know enough and try to do all from 
scratch!)
--
richard

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: new to VOIP

We just switched over about 18 months ago. Are you expecting the vendor to 
provide support and training to both IT and end users? I would consider that 
key as it made our transition a little less painful.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: new to VOIP

Hello all,

I've just been informed that we will be switching to VOIP.  Although details 
aren't complete (project timeline, vendor), I need to dig into VOIP details and 
familiarize myself with possible problems, QoS, etc.  Can anyone recommend a 
couple of good books on VOIP?

Thanks,

Paul Chinnery
Network Admin
Memorial Medical Center
231.845.2319




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RE: OT : International Star Wars Day

[Richard McClary]

"You are strong in the 4th, young Skywalker..."

-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT : International Star Wars Day

Eh... I'm more of an Obi Wan fan.

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT : International Star Wars Day

No, it's "With You, May the 4th be".

: )

Regards,

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:41 PM
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Subject: OT : International Star Wars Day

May the 4th be with you.

-Paul 
 
 

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RE: OT : International Star Wars Day

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One of our veterinarians has just told us all that the CDC has announced May as 
"Zombie Awareness Month".  (I guess we all check our systems for rogue 
processes running?)

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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:41 PM
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Subject: OT : International Star Wars Day

May the 4th be with you.

-Paul 
 
 

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RE: OT : International Star Wars Day

[Richard McClary]

That's down there with my recently departed analog phone and message center.  
Timing the button pushes just right, I'd hear Yoda saying, "You have...message 
one erased."

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT : International Star Wars Day

No, it's "With You, May the 4th be".

: )

Regards,

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT : International Star Wars Day

May the 4th be with you.

-Paul 
 
 

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Outlook Web Access - multiple entries in junk filters

[Richard McClary]

Greetings!

Still searching, testing, etc, and not making much progress here.

We are in a series of transitions, one of which is switching anti-spam 
providers.  We use MS Outlook 2007 (mostly...), and our Exchange server is 
hosted.

We have exported settings for Safe Senders, Safe Recipients, and Blocked 
Senders from our current anti-spam provider.  We have worked out a way to 
import these into the desktop Outlook client.

We also have some users who use Outlook Web Access (OWA) only.  Unfortunately, 
it appears that OWA clients do not have the ability to import a file into the 
filters as does the desktop version.

Other than copying and pasting each and every address for the various senders 
and recipients, one at a time, is there a good way to add these addresses into 
the filters?  One or two addresses is simple.  However, some of our OWA users 
have a few dozen addresses in their current filters.

I have tried entering a comma-separated list of 3 addresses into the "Add" 
field, but it will not accept that.  (Nor will it accept addresses separated 
with semi-colons, with or without spaces between them.)

Continuing to hunt, but meanwhile, thank you for any suggestions!
--
Richard D. McClary
Jr Infrastructure Architect, Information Technology Group
ASPCA(r)
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RE: Need Your Feedback - New Product for Admins

[Richard McClary]

Understood now; I offer my (public) apology.
--
richard

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Your Feedback - New Product for Admins

I didn't talk to the right to post a message.

I'm asking for clarification of what the affiliation with the product/org is. 

I appreciate your guess... but I'd like to know if this was selected after the 
comparison, developed after the comparison, bought as a result, etc...

-sc

> -Original Message-----
> From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:22 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Need Your Feedback - New Product for Admins
> 
> Strange you would need to ask this question!
> 
> Stu started SunbeltSoftware as well as this (and other forums).  He continues
> to monitor and moderate it.
> 
> He left Sunbelt (now GFI) and started KnowBe4.
> 
> My guess is, there was a research effort involved, and he/they purchased
> this product.
> 
> Anyway, if anyone has the right to post a "commercial message" to this list, 
> it
> would be Stu.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:12 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Need Your Feedback - New Product for Admins
> 
> > Well, the last 18 months I have done research to find a tool that
> > would solve most of the above problems, and I think I have found it:
> > http://www.knowbe4.com/products/instant-revert.
> 
> This appears to indicate you went out and looked at tools from all vendors in
> the market place, and are recommending this one.
> 
> > You can answer to the list or answer me offline at s...@knowbe4.com
> 
> This appears to indicate you have an email address in the organization that
> sells the tool you are recommending.
> 
> Are you affiliated with this company?
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:43 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Need Your Feedback - New Product for Admins
> >
> > Guys,  I'm back in the 'system admin' software game. I'm giving you a
> > sneak peek  of a new admin tool we are announcing this April called
> InstantRevert.
> >
> > I had a fresh look at your current environment. Users are still your
> > #1 headache, and you continue to get "It worked yesterday!" incomplete
> > help desk tickets.
> > The next headaches are keeping your network secure without sufficient
> > budget, and you're coming in early, staying late, and working
> > weekends.
> >
> > Well, the last 18 months I have done research to find a tool that
> > would solve most of the above problems, and I think I have found it:
> > http://www.knowbe4.com/products/instant-revert/
> >
> > Could you have a look and tell me what you think?
> >
> > The cost per server is $220 but I am still figuring out the volume
> > discounts for workstations. Say you have 200 workstations you want to
> > run this on, what would you expect to have to pay per workstation?
> >
> > You can answer to the list or answer me offline at s...@knowbe4.com
> >
> > Thanks so much in advance !
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Need Your Feedback - New Product for Admins

[Richard McClary]

Strange you would need to ask this question!

Stu started SunbeltSoftware as well as this (and other forums).  He continues 
to monitor and moderate it.

He left Sunbelt (now GFI) and started KnowBe4.

My guess is, there was a research effort involved, and he/they purchased this 
product.

Anyway, if anyone has the right to post a "commercial message" to this list, it 
would be Stu.

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Your Feedback - New Product for Admins

> Well, the last 18 months I have done research to find a tool that would solve
> most of the above problems, and I think I have found it:
> http://www.knowbe4.com/products/instant-revert.

This appears to indicate you went out and looked at tools from all vendors in 
the market place, and are recommending this one.

> You can answer to the list or answer me offline at s...@knowbe4.com

This appears to indicate you have an email address in the organization that 
sells the tool you are recommending.

Are you affiliated with this company?

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:43 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Need Your Feedback - New Product for Admins
> 
> Guys,  I'm back in the 'system admin' software game. I'm giving you a sneak
> peek  of a new admin tool we are announcing this April called InstantRevert.
> 
> I had a fresh look at your current environment. Users are still your #1
> headache, and you continue to get "It worked yesterday!" incomplete help
> desk tickets.
> The next headaches are keeping your network secure without sufficient
> budget,
> and you're coming in early, staying late, and working weekends.
> 
> Well, the last 18 months I have done research to find a tool that would solve
> most of the above problems, and I think I have found it:
> http://www.knowbe4.com/products/instant-revert/
> 
> Could you have a look and tell me what you think?
> 
> The cost per server is $220 but I am still figuring out the volume discounts 
> for
> workstations. Say you have 200 workstations you want to run this on, what
> would you expect to have to pay per workstation?
> 
> You can answer to the list or answer me offline at s...@knowbe4.com
> 
> Thanks so much in advance !
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Stu
> 
> 
> 
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RE: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

[Richard McClary]

Backup ran.  My failing jobs simply needed the "/um" switch added to the end of 
the Task properties.

Thanks all!
--
richard

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 11:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

Big-time update (and hardly a Windows update and something that shows the 
necessity of "security")!

One of our programmers (a consultant, but the guy has set up some absolutely 
wonderful and necessary scripts for us) whacked the user profile which had the 
*.bks file.  That is what broke it in the first place.

It took some research, but to deal with the issue of the job not finding the 
drive or media - apparently it is necessary to end the schedule string with the 
"/um" switch.

So, I think editing a backup script (changing paths),  creating a new *.bks 
file, etc, it will hopefully run early tomorrow morning.

Thanks for your patience, and I'll try to remember to let all know.
--
richard

From: John C Owen [mailto:jo...@innovativefoto.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

Any recent applied windows updates and security patches?

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

Greetings!

We have a library of "substances" on a server (really old - Dell PE-2650).  It 
has an Adaptec card and a Dell StoreVault(?) LTO2 drive.  For years it has been 
backing the library pre-dawn, M-F using NTBackup as a Scheduled Task.

[Windows 2003 SP2]

This broke last week.  The Events log showed that the system was unable to find 
the script associated with the job...

OK, I go and create the script again (in NTBackup, but finishing with 
scheduling it to run weekly, each M-F).  I right click it and select "Run now". 
 NTBackup starts to open, then it vanishes.  I check EventLogs, and I see no 
errors.

I repeat the steps above running NTBackup manually,  The backup process runs 
with no issues.

Googling, I learned of "Scheduled Tasks" logs.  This is not useful:

"AnToxSubstances.job" (ntbackup.exe)
Started 3/28/2012 1:45:01 AM
"AnToxSubstances.job" (ntbackup.exe)
Finished 3/28/2012 1:45:17 AM
Result: The task completed with an exit code of (0).

Other scheduled tasks appear to be running successfully.

So, why is it when I create a job in NTBackup, it runs if I click "Run now"; 
but if I save it as a scheduled task (and then try to run it from the list of 
tasks), it fails immediately?

Again, this had been running with no such issues for several years (up until 
last week).

Thanks!
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RE: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

[Richard McClary]

Big-time update (and hardly a Windows update and something that shows the 
necessity of "security")!

One of our programmers (a consultant, but the guy has set up some absolutely 
wonderful and necessary scripts for us) whacked the user profile which had the 
*.bks file.  That is what broke it in the first place.

It took some research, but to deal with the issue of the job not finding the 
drive or media - apparently it is necessary to end the schedule string with the 
"/um" switch.

So, I think editing a backup script (changing paths),  creating a new *.bks 
file, etc, it will hopefully run early tomorrow morning.

Thanks for your patience, and I'll try to remember to let all know.
--
richard

From: John C Owen [mailto:jo...@innovativefoto.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

Any recent applied windows updates and security patches?

From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

Greetings!

We have a library of "substances" on a server (really old - Dell PE-2650).  It 
has an Adaptec card and a Dell StoreVault(?) LTO2 drive.  For years it has been 
backing the library pre-dawn, M-F using NTBackup as a Scheduled Task.

[Windows 2003 SP2]

This broke last week.  The Events log showed that the system was unable to find 
the script associated with the job...

OK, I go and create the script again (in NTBackup, but finishing with 
scheduling it to run weekly, each M-F).  I right click it and select "Run now". 
 NTBackup starts to open, then it vanishes.  I check EventLogs, and I see no 
errors.

I repeat the steps above running NTBackup manually,  The backup process runs 
with no issues.

Googling, I learned of "Scheduled Tasks" logs.  This is not useful:

"AnToxSubstances.job" (ntbackup.exe)
Started 3/28/2012 1:45:01 AM
"AnToxSubstances.job" (ntbackup.exe)
Finished 3/28/2012 1:45:17 AM
Result: The task completed with an exit code of (0).

Other scheduled tasks appear to be running successfully.

So, why is it when I create a job in NTBackup, it runs if I click "Run now"; 
but if I save it as a scheduled task (and then try to run it from the list of 
tasks), it fails immediately?

Again, this had been running with no such issues for several years (up until 
last week).

Thanks!
--
Richard D. McClary
Jr Infrastructure Architect, Information Technology Group
ASPCA(r)
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Urbana, IL 61802
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RE: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

[Richard McClary]

Just the usual monthly MS Update stuff.  Thing is, the failure occurred some 
time after the last update.

HOWEVER, not doing a dump-and-run, I found another set of logs.  I believe I 
have just now stumbled across a major clue.  The task does not find the tape 
drive...

I'll dig there and try to figure out why the scheduled jobs can't find it but 
running manually does find the drive.

Thanks!
--
richard

From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: NTBackup will no longer run as a scheduled task

Any recent updates applied?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Richard McClary 
mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>> wrote:
Greetings!

We have a library of "substances" on a server (really old - Dell PE-2650).  It 
has an Adaptec card and a Dell StoreVault(?) LTO2 drive.  For years it has been 
backing the library pre-dawn, M-F using NTBackup as a Scheduled Task.

[Windows 2003 SP2]

This broke last week.  The Events log showed that the system was unable to find 
the script associated with the job...

OK, I go and create the script again (in NTBackup, but finishing with 
scheduling it to run weekly, each M-F).  I right click it and select "Run now". 
 NTBackup starts to open, then it vanishes.  I check EventLogs, and I see no 
errors.

I repeat the steps above running NTBackup manually,  The backup process runs 
with no issues.

Googling, I learned of "Scheduled Tasks" logs.  This is not useful:

"AnToxSubstances.job" (ntbackup.exe)
Started 3/28/2012 1:45:01 AM
"AnToxSubstances.job" (ntbackup.exe)
Finished 3/28/2012 1:45:17 AM
Result: The task completed with an exit code of (0).

Other scheduled tasks appear to be running successfully.

So, why is it when I create a job in NTBackup, it runs if I click "Run now"; 
but if I save it as a scheduled task (and then try to run it from the list of 
tasks), it fails immediately?

Again, this had been running with no such issues for several years (up until 
last week).

Thanks!
--
Richard D. McClary
Jr Infrastructure Architect, Information Technology Group
ASPCA(r)
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL 61802
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RE: BB curve 9300 installation

[Richard McClary]

There you go - it is easier to be trying  than to try.

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BB curve 9300 installation

When I asked him to "confirm" it came out he had not "actually" tried:)
Sorry guys,
jlc

From: Steve Hanna [sha...@fleet.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BB curve 9300 installation
I carry the phone you mention. USB and plug it in to what ever is closest.

--steve
Sent with BlackBerry

From: "Joseph L. Casale" 
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:30:14 +
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: BB curve 9300 installation

Not so sure thats right, the device is unknown and wont charge, from what I 
have read and experience with other devices, it will need a driver.
I just didn't want to install any more than I had...
I suppose I could unpack that msi, but probably more work than its worth.

jlc

From: Jeff Brown [jbr...@webcoindustries.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BB curve 9300 installation
No need to install software to charge.  Desktop manager is needed to 
sync/update software if not connected to a BES.

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: BB curve 9300 installation

We don't use bb's here, but a salesman has asked me to install the driver so it 
can be charged on his laptop.
Is it just BlackBerry Device Manager I need for this guy?

Thanks,
jlc

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RE: BB curve 9300 installation

[Richard McClary]

Some USB ports, for whatever reason, are better than others.  Try another one 
(and not one off a monitor or other daisy-chained device which may have a USB 
port).

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BB curve 9300 installation

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:
> He claims its plugged in to his laptop via USB but wont charge.

  You have forgotten the Seventh Universal Truth of Information
Technology: Users lie.

(see: http://trioptimum.com/truth/)

  My first guess: The phone will charge just fine without a driver.
It's just Windows is prompting for a driver to make all the other
magic BlackBerry stuff work, and the user assumes that means it won't
work without one.

  My second guess: Try fiddling with the Mass Storage Device settings
of the Blackberry.  Depending on how it's configured, the BlackBerry
will present itself as either an ordinary USB flash drive, or as
something fancier.  The "something fancier" mode may need drivers, but
the "ordinary USB flash drive" mode does not.

-- Ben

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RE: list delays

[Richard McClary]

In parts of Oklahoma, “Y’alls” is pronounced “Y’all-zez”

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: list delays

Good point.  "Y'alls" is the possessive improperly punctuated.
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Erik Goldoff 
mailto:egold...@gmail.com>> wrote:
no no NO !

The plural of  "Y'all"   is "All Y'all"
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
No, I should have use the proper plural southern word - y'alls.




Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

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From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: list delays
Don't you mean you-ens?
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Webster 
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RE: list delays

[Richard McClary]

Pretty good, but that last word should have been spelled "rat"

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: list delays

The plural of y'all is y'all. Your mistake was that you concatenated it with a 
northernism. The proper phrase is

"Geez louise, cain't y'all idjits evah git anythin' rite?"

(s) Signed,
Mr. Suthren Pedant

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 9:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: list delays

No, I should have use the proper plural southern word - y'alls.




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Subject: Re: list delays
Don't you mean you-ens?
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Webster 
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RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

[Richard McClary]

MEANWHILE - I work at the animal poison control center.  There is a "protocol 
update" announcement attached to several walls mentioning "relaxation agents 
which contain hops as an ingredient".

I wonder if that could possibly refer to anything else but the current OT from 
the OT thread?

-Original Message-
From: Gary Whitten [mailto:li...@undiscoveredworlds.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

Good call on Rogue.  Had their Chocolate Stout on draft this past weekend.
And agreed on Stella; considering everything else that had to be available in 
London, surprising.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

When i was in the UK, it seems everywhere in london the beer of choice was 
stella.  I wouldn't consider that particularly good beer.  If we are throwing 
around good breweries, don't forget rogue.

Gary Whitten wrote:
>
> Per James  comment in a previous email, I ve been told a number of 
> beers that are popular/well-received in the US have low opinions in
> the UK or elsewhere in Europe.   Newcastle and Old Speckled Hen are 
> two examples.
>
>  
>
> Definitely agree with Kurt.   .Stone.  Young s Double Chocolate.   
> J  Add in Southern Tier in NY and Mendocino Brewing in CA as two more 
> of my US faves.   Also love almost everything Samuel Smith.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:52 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
>
>  
>
> Most American major brands (Bud, Coors, Miller, etc.) are swill, not 
> lager.
>
> OTOH, there are a *lot* of smaller brands with good stouts, porters, 
> IPAs and others.
>
> I'm particularly fond of some of the Stone offerings, and Young's 
> Chocolate Stout, among others.
>
> Heck, I also like Shiner Bock.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:53, James Rankin  > wrote:
>
> American beer is lager
>
> This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce
>
> On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster  > wrote:
>
> It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the
> "american beer is water" type arguments.  The burgers wars were
> just incredible.  Who knew burgers, the types of meat, the style
> of cooking, comparing various chains, cooking methods, etc etc
> etc.  It was such a horrible thread, I being the list owner had to
> step in and ban the topic from further discussion.  It has been 10
> years since all three thread topics were banned.  When we tuba
> players gather at conferences, the list members still talk about
> the vile language and name calling that went on in those
> "discussions".  They would have made Gary Slinger look like a
> saint! :)
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> 
> --
> --
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com
> ]
>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
>
>  
>
> Is it the well done/not well done burger debate?
>
>  
>
> I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from
> the discussion.  It must have been truly heinous.
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster  > wrote:
>
> I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid
> 90s.  There are three banned topics:
>
>  
>
> Drum & Bugle Corp
>
> Burgers
>
> Beer
>
>  
>
> Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from
> discussing beer and hamburgers!!!  But in that world, those
> are world war starting topics.  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> 
> --
> --
>
> *From:* John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.com
> ]
>
>  
>
> *Subject:* RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and 
> ISA)
>
>  
>
> I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start
> the most fights around here are indeed politics, religion, and
> BBQ.
>
>  
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a

RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

[Richard McClary]

Fat Tire is New Belgium's most "bleh" product.  It is quite good, but their 
other stuff I enjoy much more!


From: Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

>From hereabouts, I like Fat Tire.
>From over yonder, I like Monty Python’s Holy Grail.
There are very few stouts I like except one from a micro where I currently 
reside, and I don’t drink it too often.

Can’t stand Guinness no matter what you do with it --- 
http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4041.html

-Paul


From: Heaton, Joseph@DFG [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

I like Newcastle.  So, if it’s filth, please share what I should look for 
instead.  I’m pretty open to trying new options, but I just can’t drink the 
really dark and heavy options, such as Guinness.  I know it’s very popular, and 
I wouldn’t dream of insulting those that drink it.  To each their own, in my 
opinion.

Joe Heaton
ITB – Windows Server Support

From: James Rankin 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:47 AM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

That was me in "sweeping generalization" mode

I was actually quite surprised to hear the filth known as Newcastle Brown Ale 
is actually quite popular in the States
On 13 March 2012 14:08, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We brew ales here, too.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:53 AM, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
American beer is lager

This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce
On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the "american beer is 
water" type arguments.  The burgers wars were just incredible.  Who knew 
burgers, the types of meat, the style of cooking, comparing various chains, 
cooking methods, etc etc etc.  It was such a horrible thread, I being the list 
owner had to step in and ban the topic from further discussion.  It has been 10 
years since all three thread topics were banned.  When we tuba players gather 
at conferences, the list members still talk about the vile language and name 
calling that went on in those "discussions".  They would have made Gary Slinger 
look like a saint! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

Is it the well done/not well done burger debate?

I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the 
discussion.  It must have been truly heinous.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s.  There are 
three banned topics:

Drum & Bugle Corp
Burgers
Beer

Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer 
and hamburgers!!!  But in that world, those are world war starting topics.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.com]

Subject: RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights 
around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ.


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RE: Anyone familiar with Chatsworth server racks?

[Richard McClary]

Thanks!

Yeah, CDW carries CPI...

Tripp-Lite - about $1600
CPI - about $4450

I do not believe open post would be an option because of cooling and air flow, 
would it?

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with Chatsworth server racks?

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Richard McClary
 wrote:
> As a part of a major datacenter remodel, our wiring vendor is suggesting
> Chatsworth racks for our servers.

  Good.  Pretty.  Expensive.

> We have no idea of the prices on these products.

  For a single-company datacenter where all people are trusted, you
can save big money by going with 4-post open-frame racks.  These are
basically just the frame, with no doors or panels.  So they're not
pretty and they don't provide any physical protection.  OTOH, they're
lightweight, afford easy access to equipment from all sides, and don't
trap hot air inside the cabinet (since there isn't one).

  Within that plan, I've been buying Tripp-Lite.  SR4POST plus
SRCASTER caster kit.  Fairly low money -- around $400 each.

http://www.tripplite.com/shared/product-images/lg/SR4POST-FRONT-L.jpg

  1000 pound load limit.  Some other brands can hold quite a bit more,
but usually only if hard mounted.  Half-ton seems to be the rule for
casters.

  Had some issues where they were arriving damaged, but I blame CDW
for not packaging it properly.  Once I pounded it into the rep's head
that it needed to be double-boxed, no problems.

  YMMV, etc.

-- Ben

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RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

[Richard McClary]

Memphis?

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

It's in Wikipedia, so it's true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owensboro,_Kentucky

-  Owensboro considers itself the 
"BBQ Capital of the world"; it holds its 
International BBQ 
festival and 
competition every second weekend in May.
Who else would have the International BBQ Festival?



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

Is it the well done/not well done burger debate?

I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the 
discussion.  It must have been truly heinous.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s.  There are 
three banned topics:

Drum & Bugle Corp
Burgers
Beer

Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer 
and hamburgers!!!  But in that world, those are world war starting topics.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.com]

Subject: RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights 
around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ.


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RE: New to virtualization

[Richard McClary]

I'm really just getting started here myself, but...

VM NICs  connect to real ESX NICs, and you will need some ESX NICs for 
redundancy, for management, for a possible DMZ in the future, etc.  Oh yeah - 
the ESX hosts need NICs for the iSCSI connection to the datastore.  Figure on 
getting some dedicated network switches as well and work out some subnetting 
(so the management, kernel, and other connections are not a part of your main 
LAN).

NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great!  (A drive starts to go bad, 
and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc.  Sometimes 
that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.)

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New to virtualization


Hi all,

I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the 
virtual world.

~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old

Windows 2003 domain

Exchange 2003

Citrix 4.0 farm

~190 users

After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending:

(3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000

(1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage 
for the VMs) ~$20,000

VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200

(3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 
Windows 2008 VMs each)

I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 
3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, 
NIC, etc.)... right?

I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started 
the conversation along the same path as above.

Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense?

It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the 
host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet)

Do people recommend virtualizing every server?

Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)?

Shouldn't something be left physical?

Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)?

Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me...

I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows 
Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs.

However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in 
price - I would get unlimited VMs?

Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch 
deployment?

Thx

.

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RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

[Richard McClary]

As Stone would say, “fizzy yellow swill”.  (One of the best labels in the 
industry, but it takes young eyes or strong readers to read it!)

From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

Most American major brands (Bud, Coors, Miller, etc.) are swill, not lager.

OTOH, there are a *lot* of smaller brands with good stouts, porters, IPAs and 
others.

I'm particularly fond of some of the Stone offerings, and Young's Chocolate 
Stout, among others.

Heck, I also like Shiner Bock.

Kurt
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:53, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
American beer is lager

This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce
On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the "american beer is 
water" type arguments.  The burgers wars were just incredible.  Who knew 
burgers, the types of meat, the style of cooking, comparing various chains, 
cooking methods, etc etc etc.  It was such a horrible thread, I being the list 
owner had to step in and ban the topic from further discussion.  It has been 10 
years since all three thread topics were banned.  When we tuba players gather 
at conferences, the list members still talk about the vile language and name 
calling that went on in those "discussions".  They would have made Gary Slinger 
look like a saint! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

Is it the well done/not well done burger debate?

I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the 
discussion.  It must have been truly heinous.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s.  There are 
three banned topics:

Drum & Bugle Corp
Burgers
Beer

Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer 
and hamburgers!!!  But in that world, those are world war starting topics.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.com]

Subject: RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights 
around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ.


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RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

[Richard McClary]

Yeah, it cost too much for them to put the word "ale" in quotation marks...


From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

That was me in "sweeping generalization" mode

I was actually quite surprised to hear the filth known as Newcastle Brown Ale 
is actually quite popular in the States
On 13 March 2012 14:08, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We brew ales here, too.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:53 AM, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
American beer is lager

This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce
On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the "american beer is 
water" type arguments.  The burgers wars were just incredible.  Who knew 
burgers, the types of meat, the style of cooking, comparing various chains, 
cooking methods, etc etc etc.  It was such a horrible thread, I being the list 
owner had to step in and ban the topic from further discussion.  It has been 10 
years since all three thread topics were banned.  When we tuba players gather 
at conferences, the list members still talk about the vile language and name 
calling that went on in those "discussions".  They would have made Gary Slinger 
look like a saint! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

Is it the well done/not well done burger debate?

I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the 
discussion.  It must have been truly heinous.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s.  There are 
three banned topics:

Drum & Bugle Corp
Burgers
Beer

Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer 
and hamburgers!!!  But in that world, those are world war starting topics.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.com]

Subject: RE: Carolina "BBQ Sauce" (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)

I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights 
around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ.


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RE: Re: Windows File Archive

[Richard McClary]

The embarrassing thing is, it took me most of the day to figure out who Carpet 
Boy is.  “Sixty” has hit me pretty hard…

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 6:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Re: Windows File Archive

I remember that! Just let it go Erik
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 05:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: Re: Windows File Archive

I had forgotten about that. ☺

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 4:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Re: Windows File Archive

Hey Bob,

Given the way the 'Carpet Boy' moniker was used earlier, 7 or 8 years ago when 
you called me 'Ham Boy' was your intent the same ?  :P

Erik




On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Free, Bob mailto:r...@pge.com>> 
wrote:
  +1

As an ex-journeyman in the trades I loved the apprentice metaphor you used 
earlier Micheal. I switched professions a long time ago but a lot of the same 
wisdom prevails. We just call it “mentoring…#157; in this profession.

Been around both here and in general way too long to be too thick-skinned but I 
do try to respect the wishes of others as much as I can. I am fairly rough 
around the edges but I realize that is totally unacceptable to *some* others so 
I try to temper my response. I also learned a long time ago both in the real 
world and the virtual one to thoroughly survey the room before I opened my 
mouth.

I completely with Steve K where he said it just lowers the bar and loses good 
people to coddle laziness (I deand the conversation so that is my 
interpretation of what he said)

Look at what joe richards recently said on his blog [1] about why he doesn’t 
answer questions on activedir like he used to. It’s a pretty succinct example. 
The rest of us all loose an extraordinary resource.

I have been complaining about that for > 10 years here. It just dilutes the 
response pool because a lot of people have better things to do than do other 
people’s job for them. [2]

This particular group is better at smacking down some of that behavior although 
some find it offensive. My advice- Get over it, it was a lot worse in the past 
and it still pops up periodically for entertainment purposes and so Stu can 
exercise his list admin admonishments ☺

[1] http://blog.joeware.net/2012/01/24/2418/
[2] http://blog.joeware.net/2011/04/14/2238/



From: Micheal Espinola Jr 
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Windows File Archive

It seems clear to me that he's referring to a segment of the group that doesn't 
include you.  Class, shall we have a show of hands?



--
Espi


On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Ben Scott 
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On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:37 AM, William Robbins 
mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Knowing others here as well I can safely say
> it's acceptable to them as well.
 Please don't presume to speak for unspecified others in a blanket statement.

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RE: MagicJack

[Richard McClary]

I didn't see Don's posting, but we'll need the box for our _NEW_ TV's as well.  
GRRr

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On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Don Kuhlman  wrote:
> Now, they've sent us another msg telling us
> we had to get boxes just to watch TV on our older sets.  So we got 3 of
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RE: Windows File Archive

[Richard McClary]

+1

I have no right to call myself "a peer".  I am a research biologist by 
training.  It's just that one fateful day, I was told, "You're good at fixing 
computers; you are now our systems administrator!".

I cannot adequately express how much I have learned from this forum and how 
helpful it has been!  Ben and ASB have been especially helpful.

I've been "chided" by them and others on occasion, and I admit I deserved it.  
Still, again, some who subscribe to this forum are folks whose organization 
have tossed them in over their heads.

That's one blanket statement.  As to another blanket statement, I did not see 
the really abusive language until Stu quoted the message.  No, such language is 
definitely NOT acceptable to me and to countless others!
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Windows File Archive

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:37 AM, William Robbins  wrote:
> Knowing others here as well I can safely say
> it's acceptable to them as well.

  Please don't presume to speak for unspecified others in a blanket statement.

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RE: ping

[Richard McClary]

Was it simply coincidence that "the original" was posted on International 
Women's Day?

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:jbr...@webcoindustries.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ping

I thought it was pretty damn funny!  And I got the original yesterday, as I 
presume he did.

From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 4:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ping

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Nothing at all last night...

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
> Did she use the old "headache" excuse?

 Your witty response would have been more impressive if it hadn't taken a week 
for you to come up with it.  ;-)

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RE: File copy performance - XP vs Win7

[Richard McClary]

Thanks!

Problem is, the XP box went up in smoke about 2 days after I got my new Win 7 
box.  Comparison tests are just plain out.

Someone else suggested disabling Receive Side Scaling, which we will try.

Again, at this point, it is simply a curiosity as we are re-doing our entire 
backup scheme.

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File copy performance - XP vs Win7

Pretty easy to find out what is going on if you took a packet-sniff on the XP 
box and on the Windows 7 box to the endpoint. It could also be related to SMB 
V1 vs V2 (Windows 7) settings and whether or not the server is Windows 2003 ( 
V1) vs Windows 2008 V2.

Z

Edward Ziots
CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
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From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File copy performance - XP vs Win7

It was once about 40 minutes; it's now 90-100 minutes.  Again, all that has 
changed is the machine to which the file is copied.  (As someone else asked, 
the new machine does in fact use the same network jack, same switch port, and 
same cable as the old machine.)

Anyway, this has now simply become a curiosity.  We have been directed to find 
an alternative to copying backup files to a person's desktop machine and 
burning to DVD (I can think of a couple already), so thanks to all who answered.
--
richard

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 2:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: File copy performance - XP vs Win7

I haven't seen any mention of actual recorded time for the backups involved.

How much time did it take before?

How much is it taking now?
ASB

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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Richard McClary 
mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>> wrote:
Greetings!

Our DBA created a backup system for our DB2 databases where a VM (running DB2 
for the tools) would back up our medical records database (on another server), 
create ZIP files (the zip script was set to create zip files from the database 
backup in 4 Gb chunks), then copy those chunks to a user's desktop PC.  The 
principle user of that PC would then burn the ZIP files onto DVDs for storage.

The zip files total a bit over 5 Gb.

Back when the "target PC" was my own, I had a Dell PWS-390 running XP Pro SP3, 
32-bit.

The "target PC" is now an Optiplex 990 running Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit.

Our DBA says the copy from the backup system to the "target PC" seems to take 
twice as long copying to the Win 7 machine than it did to the Win XP machine.  
Any ideas as to what might be slowing down the copy process?  (FWIW, the 
motherboard on that PWS-390 failed a couple of months back, so a side-by-side 
test would require scrounging up a still-functional PWS-390, installing XP, 
etc.)

Thanks!
--
richard
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RE: File copy performance - XP vs Win7

[Richard McClary]

It was once about 40 minutes; it's now 90-100 minutes.  Again, all that has 
changed is the machine to which the file is copied.  (As someone else asked, 
the new machine does in fact use the same network jack, same switch port, and 
same cable as the old machine.)

Anyway, this has now simply become a curiosity.  We have been directed to find 
an alternative to copying backup files to a person's desktop machine and 
burning to DVD (I can think of a couple already), so thanks to all who answered.
--
richard

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 2:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: File copy performance - XP vs Win7

I haven't seen any mention of actual recorded time for the backups involved.

How much time did it take before?

How much is it taking now?
ASB

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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Richard McClary 
mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org>> wrote:
Greetings!

Our DBA created a backup system for our DB2 databases where a VM (running DB2 
for the tools) would back up our medical records database (on another server), 
create ZIP files (the zip script was set to create zip files from the database 
backup in 4 Gb chunks), then copy those chunks to a user's desktop PC.  The 
principle user of that PC would then burn the ZIP files onto DVDs for storage.

The zip files total a bit over 5 Gb.

Back when the "target PC" was my own, I had a Dell PWS-390 running XP Pro SP3, 
32-bit.

The "target PC" is now an Optiplex 990 running Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit.

Our DBA says the copy from the backup system to the "target PC" seems to take 
twice as long copying to the Win 7 machine than it did to the Win XP machine.  
Any ideas as to what might be slowing down the copy process?  (FWIW, the 
motherboard on that PWS-390 failed a couple of months back, so a side-by-side 
test would require scrounging up a still-functional PWS-390, installing XP, 
etc.)

Thanks!
--
richard
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RE: Test Your Malware IQ

[Richard McClary]

If we click the link provided, do we flunk the phishing test?

From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Test Your Malware IQ

This is not an easy test, but luckily all the correct answers are provided
after you answer the 20 questions. This is a very interesting set of questions,
and you will learn some cool things. Here is how InfoWorld announced it:

"Find out how much you really know about the underworld of spam, botnets,
viruses, and other forms of cyber crime. Malware comes in many guises.
For most people it's a constant source of irritation. But for security
mavens, the malware world offers all sorts of fascinating nooks and
crannies -- charlatans and characters, flashes of brilliance, groaning
idiocies, and irony. Think you know malware? You may be surprised. Put
on your sleuth specs and set your ever-so-slightly-gray hat at a jaunty
angle and see if you're in tune with the multi-billion-dollar industry
-- or just a victimized bystander waiting to get duped by the next rogue
bits."
http://www.infoworld.com/d/security/are-you-cyber-sleuth-test-your-malware-iq-187066?

Warm regards,

Stu

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RE: Binaries to the list

[Richard McClary]

The monthly now called WindowsITPro used to have screen captures of bizarre 
error pop-ups.

My favorite head scratcher was from MS SQL Server.  It was something like this:

"The following database error occurred:  France"

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Binaries to the list

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Webster  wrote:
> I like the ones where the message and or popup says it failed but the
> event log entry says it completed successfully.

  I've seen an event log message to the effect of, "The following
problem occurred during the installation of Microsoft Office:
Success".

  I chuckled to myself, thinking, yah, I guess successfully installing
MS Office could be considered a problem ;)

-- Ben

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RE: Binaries to the list

[Richard McClary]

You left out the “OK” button (which has no other choices)

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Binaries to the list

Read rules? That’s like RTFM!

Eh, to lazy to cloud link, easier to type. Windows SP upgrade Message on 
Windows 7
“Installation was not successful
installation completed successfully”

Dave

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Binaries to the list


Geesh! Didn't you read the rules concerning this list?

I specificly remember reading "No Binaries, no trinaries, no matadors, 
Labradors, and no bicuspadors."

Daniel
On Feb 24, 2012 10:13 AM, "Andrew S. Baker" 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No binaries.   Link to some cloud storage somewhere...
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
Does this list allow binaries? I have a small screenshot that is relevant yet a 
goof Friday funny..
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