RE: NT 2000 Anti Virus for Server edition desktops
Developers? Pains? I don't know what you're talking about?! :-) Wendell Cotton VP, Engineering PRSI, Inc. -Original Message- From: Luke Brumbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NT 2000 Anti Virus for Server edition desktops I used Trend Server Protect. And if you in the same situation as I am, I push the server protect from a central location and when they rebuild their box or remove it, I put it right back on. This is a weekly thing I check all names from a list and verify they are loaded. Developers can be such pains. -Original Message- From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: NT 2000 Anti Virus for Server edition desktops My developers are running NT 2000 Server edition on their machines for development reasons. (This allows them to develop and step through debugging completely through multi-tier components all on one machine) I have found that they do not have any virus protection on their machines, because the standard editions do not run on servers. Can anyone make a product recommendation for a product that will not necessarily include the entire enterprise support and admin overhead (and cost) for servers that actually SERVE something? Perhaps a desktop version of something reliable that will run servers as well? As you can expect, I am panicked at this point! http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm Enterprise Channel Management Software for Manufacturers Visit us at http://www.ultryx.com http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: HELP VIRUS ON NT MACHINE?
Hmmm. We have not had to take such drastic action(s) here at all - 'course, let's see what the new day brings. :-) Wendell -Original Message- From: Rocky Stefano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HELP VIRUS ON NT MACHINE? For those of you that were unfortunately hit with the latest worm. There is usually no recourse but to wipe the machine clean and reload your software. Trend Antivirus has released a cleaner for the virus. Here is the info. Trend Micro has developed a cleaning tool that will allow you to clean systems infected by PE_NIMDA.A. The cleaning tool and instructions, manual cleaning instructions, and the latest pattern file can be found on our FTP site at: ftp://us-web\[EMAIL PROTECTED] Password: tmcustomer Directory: Premium Customer\tool Files: Cleaning tool: FIX_NIMDA.zip Cleaning tool description and instructions: Readme_nimda.txt Manual cleaning documentation: How to Clean.txt Latest pattern file: ptn_942.zip -Original Message- From: Tiffany Belcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: September 19, 2001 5:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: HELP VIRUS ON NT MACHINE? This thing is on a machine at work and it writes .eml files all over the place in the folders on the hard drive. Is there a way to get rid if this virus? What is it? Uninstalling outlook express or email would that do it? It ran very sluggish and now is frozen up. HELP http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: has anyone used doubletake successfully?
Works like a charm - used it on NT4.0 and 2000 for almost 3 years. Wendell -Original Message- From: Ian Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: has anyone used doubletake successfully? Yes, and SQL 2000 What do you need to know? Ian --- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life. - Muhammad Ali -Original Message- From: Heidi Pilewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: September 13, 2001 16:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: has anyone used doubletake successfully? I'm interested in finding more out about Doubletake as well. Anyone using it with SQL 7.0? Thanks, Heidi Pilewski Windows System Administrator Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Mikelist (E-mail)" wrote: > > tell me more. did u use it to migrate to win2k? details, the devil's > in the details > > thanks > > -- > -- > -- > Michael D. Plotsker > Technology Consultant > KJ Technology Consulting, Inc. > T. 718-575-1595 > C. 917-406-4215 > F. 212-202-5013 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:19 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: has anyone used doubletake successfully? > > yes > > -Original Message- > From: Mikelist (E-mail) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:17 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: has anyone used doubletake successfully? > > to replicate data and services on nt4 server and/or win2k server? > > -- > -- > -- > Michael D. Plotsker > Technology Consultant > KJ Technology Consulting, Inc. > T. 718-575-1595 > C. 917-406-4215 > F. 212-202-5013 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Airport security (was: The idiocy continues!)
Not at all. My only, intended point was that the plane was not shot down. -Original Message- From: Luke Skare [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Airport security (was: The idiocy continues!) And I guess that the people who received phone calls from their loved ones are part of the cover up as well??? -Original Message- From: Wendell Cotton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Airport security (was: The idiocy continues!) Not correct about being downed by a missile unless you're a huge conspiracy theorist. Eyewitnesses to the plane crash in PA said the plane went in sounding "normal", i.e. the engines were running, no fire, etc. Wendell -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Airport security (was: The idiocy continues!) I am probably going to p a few folks off with this one, but think of this. That last plane went down 1 hour and 15 minutes after the first plane hit the WTC. I smell a cover up with that 4th plane. My gut screams at me that the US Gov't decided that those people on that plane were about to be killed no matter what. The plane was in the middle of nowhere when it went down. I don't think the US had any choice but to shoot that plane down, and it is something they can never, ever admit to either, even if the sacrifice of those lives equaled the preservation of potentially thousands of people. Second, shooting a gun off on a plane is akin to suicide. If the bullet goes out of the fuselage, the plane will depressurize, which jeopardizes the 'mission' in the first place. Also, I think it would be significantly harder for these guys to get guns on as opposed to knives. Clayton Doige IT Manager MCSE, MCP + I Gameday International N.V. Bound in a nutshell, King of infinite space... T: +5 999 736 0309 ext 4537 C: +5 999 563 1845 F: +5 999 733 1259 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Airport security (was: The idiocy continues!) On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Clayton wrote: > Can you imagine being a passenger on a hijacked plane after this? It > won't happen again, because the next time a hijack happens, the > passengers will think of New York and storm the hijackers before being > used as a guided missile. There is evidence that the plane that crashed in PA had just that happen. However, what if they simply shoot everyone first? -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Airport security (was: The idiocy continues!)
Not correct about being downed by a missile unless you're a huge conspiracy theorist. Eyewitnesses to the plane crash in PA said the plane went in sounding "normal", i.e. the engines were running, no fire, etc. Wendell -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Airport security (was: The idiocy continues!) I am probably going to p a few folks off with this one, but think of this. That last plane went down 1 hour and 15 minutes after the first plane hit the WTC. I smell a cover up with that 4th plane. My gut screams at me that the US Gov't decided that those people on that plane were about to be killed no matter what. The plane was in the middle of nowhere when it went down. I don't think the US had any choice but to shoot that plane down, and it is something they can never, ever admit to either, even if the sacrifice of those lives equaled the preservation of potentially thousands of people. Second, shooting a gun off on a plane is akin to suicide. If the bullet goes out of the fuselage, the plane will depressurize, which jeopardizes the 'mission' in the first place. Also, I think it would be significantly harder for these guys to get guns on as opposed to knives. Clayton Doige IT Manager MCSE, MCP + I Gameday International N.V. Bound in a nutshell, King of infinite space... T: +5 999 736 0309 ext 4537 C: +5 999 563 1845 F: +5 999 733 1259 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Airport security (was: The idiocy continues!) On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Clayton wrote: > Can you imagine being a passenger on a hijacked plane after this? It > won't happen again, because the next time a hijack happens, the > passengers will think of New York and storm the hijackers before being > used as a guided missile. There is evidence that the plane that crashed in PA had just that happen. However, what if they simply shoot everyone first? -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: The idiocy continues!
AMEN! -Original Message- From: Jeff Pace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues! my turn: Give me Liberty or give me DEATH! lib·er·ty [líbbrtee ] (plural lib·er·ties) noun 1. right to choose: the freedom to think or act without being constrained by necessity or force 2. freedom: freedom from captivity or slavery 3. POLITICS basic right: any of the political, social, and economic rights that belong to the citizens of a state or to all people (often used in the plural) 4. breach of etiquette: an action or remark that violates the polite distance usually left between individuals and that may strike the person at whom it is directed as insultingly familiar -Original Message- From: Puckett, Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues! I never said they do not deserve the right just that these are our laws for Americans. I agree that everyone that wants it should have freedom. I just don't want to have another stinking trial for non Americans that end with us feeding them for life in jail (read last trade center bombing) instead of feeding them to the lions. Matthew Puckett MCSE, MCP+Internet, MCP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues! I apologize for adding to this thread but I could not help myself. Saying that someone who lives outside of our country does not deserve the same basic rights they we enjoy is pretty much off the mark. If I remember correctly our Constitution says "all men are created equal". Every man, woman, and child should be treated like a human being, no matter their country of origin. Now, I am not saying be nice or even be civil to scum that masterminded the attacks in NYC. Personally I would like to see the SOB's head on a pike in Central Park. All this is my humble opinion. --Dan -Original Message- From: Puckett, Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues! But lets remember that these rights are for americans only(no offense) and should not be used to protect the guilty hiding in other countries. They are not subject to our rights therefore no need for a trial. Matthew Puckett MCSE, MCP+Internet, MCP Customer Support Analyst Sprint PCS IT Service Delivery Bristol Customer Care Center 1-423-967-3086 - PCS -Original Message- From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues! On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Stuart Tonge wrote: > What kind of civil liberties? For those outside the US, who may not be familiar with our government, here is a bit of a crash course: The foundation of our (i.e., the United States of America) government is our Constitution. The first ten Amendments to same are called "The Bill of Rights", and specifically address certain freedoms our government is not allowed to restrict. An online copy is here: http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billrights.html These form such a cornerstone of our political culture that all you have to do is mention "the First Amendment" and people will know you are talking about freedom of speech, press, and/or religion. "I plead the Fifth" is a common expression meaning "I am not going to answer that, because it might get me in trouble". Whenever there is a major public criminal crisis, there are always those who advocate restricting these rights in the name of "security" or "need". They do not seem to understand that the worst kind of crime is that inflicted by your own government against you. In this case, we can expect people to claim: - We should punish people without a trial, or even evidence - We should punish people who have committed no crimes - We should close our borders - Police should be able to search anyone at any time without a warrant - Police should be able to monitor private communications without a warrant Any of the above would violate the Bill of Rights. -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: The idiocy continues!
You are absolutely correct Gene! Thanks for the article!!! Wendell -Original Message- From: C.E. GENE CONNOR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues! I saw this on the news last night and here is the proof ..why would you want to pay them "convicted drug dealers and kidnappers" more than what they make now. http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,311097-412,00.shtml if you are going to raise there pay. than hire people that aren't the bad guys in the first place!!! Gene C. aka C.E. Gene Connor Gene's Custom PC Service since 1989 Serving the U.S., Canada & London,England -Original Message- From: Phillips, Glen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues! I've noticed that in amongst all the criticism of poor security at Boston airport, no-one has suggested paying the people who operate the metal detector screens and x-ray machines a bit more than what they currently get (which is reported as on a par with someone who flips burgers in a diner). With CNN reporting a second debris site about 6 miles from the crash in Pennsylvania that lends support to the phone calls about a bomb, I think that there should be more pressure to implement existing security properly before adding more. All the talk about extra security sounds more like politicians and bureaucrats trying to grab more money for their little empires - helped along, of course, by the security industry. Hopefully, as days go by and things calm down, common sense will prevail. -Original Message- From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2001 17:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues! On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Jolley Lee @Consult wrote: > I don't want to sound really stupid here...I live in the UK and i'm not > sure what all of the loss of freedom threads are about. Is something > happening in the US? Nothing, yet. But there are real, and arugably justifiable, fears that our civil liberties will be sacrificed as a result of these attacks. -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm * If you receive this e-mail in error, please contact +44 20 7280 5500. The information contained in this e-mail and in the attachments if any, is confidential. Unauthorised use, disclosure, printing, forwarding or copying is strictly prohibited. * http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
The idiocy continues!
Along the lines of "he doesn't get it - he never has and he never will . . ." I heard Dick Gephardt say in an interview this morning that "we need to look at a compromise between security and freedom". This is one of the same characters who is frequently telling us how the Constitution is a "living document", i.e. subject to his modernization and interpretation. He's not alone in this regard - plenty of fools on both sides of the aisle think the same way. Benjamin Franklin said at the outbreak of the Revolutionary War, "those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither". 'nuff said. Wendell Cotton Vice President, Engineering PRSI, Inc. 2400 Bisso Lane Ste. 100 Concord, CA 94520 925.887.7185 Office 925.766.6650 Mobile http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01
Title: RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01 I agree. -Original Message-From: Ron Brandon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:45 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01 I don't think so at all. He is merely warning of potential issues that would have monumental consequences should they come about. -Original Message- From: Mier, Juan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01 > Hideously enough, my new novel _The American Zone_, > scheduled to be published next November by Tor Books, begins > with an act very similar to this one, carried out to force Uh He's trying to sell his new book now? http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: WTC attack
Now this is a haunting image. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: WTC attack It's on radar: http://weather.noaa.gov/radar/latest/DS.p20-r/si.kokx.shtml william -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: WTC attack I'm watching MSNBC and the live shots still show a lot of smoke coming up from the area. Looks like a very large fire there now. Can any of you NYC people see it? There were also shots of the Brooklyn bridge (I think - never been there) full of people walking out of the city.One of my buddies in NJ said he could see an aircraft carrier in the river and jet fighters flying over his house. Slashdot reports that one of the founders of Akamai may have been on one of the planes that hit the wtc. Later - DR http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Title: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack An similar attitude, I suspect, shared by the French. -Original Message-From: Murray Binette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:11 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack I find it hard to beleive that the US would give a rats ass if something similar happened in Toronto or Edmonton. -Original Message-From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:13 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack How is this relevant? Well, I know some people who work in the WTC who are sys admins and I haven't been able to contact them since the crisis. Obviously there are others who are sys admins who probably lost there lives in this situation. I take it you know noone in NYC and probably dont care. I guess I wouldn't be wrong if the roles were reversed and this happened in your home town and you were caught in the middle of this thing and I didn't care. If you dont like the posts relating to this event, you could always filter them or simply unsubscribe, who cares since you have no sympathy for what has happened today! If this situation gets larger than what it already is and it starts to effect you, you will then find out the relevance to this list!! -Original Message-From: Murray Binette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:43 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack How is this relevant to NT system administration? -Original Message-From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:18 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Basically, 40K people work in the Towers and there is estimated 200K people who pass thru the towers. most people who live in NJ and work in NY have to take the path trains to get into the city which passes right under the WTC! i actually witnessed the first plane hitting the tower from Brooklyn while waiting for a cab. I am now at work and trapped in the city because all trains & buses are locked down. -Original Message-From: Rogers, Jeff L (O&M) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:41 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack I heard 50+ thousand -Original Message-From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:44To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack any stats on how many people work/live in the WTC and/or area? i estimated around 25k-50k ... -Original Message-From: MLewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:37To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Both World Trade Center buildings have fallen. There is only rubble where these historic structures stood. Marcella D. Lewis Network Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Excellence is in the details. Give attention to the details and excellence will come." (Perry Paxton) -Original Message-From: Rogers, Jeff L (O&M) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:30 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Could you confirm either more or less whether the structures are basically now grade level? -Original Message- From: Roman Bogdanov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Im about 40 blocks from the towers and we were all told we can go home but all the bridges and subways are closed so here i am trying to figure out a way to get to brooklyn. Roman Bogdanov Head of IT Support Jnana Technologies Corp. www.jnana.com 212-560-9151 ext. 202 212-560-9066 fax -Original Message- From: Richard Newton Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11
RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch t ime.. Let FBI take care it..
I share Don's sentiments. I am probably one of the older members of this forum, and am a purple heart veteran of VietNam. The political process that we have predominantly used, appeasement, has never been historically successfull. It didn't work for Neville Chamberlain in the late 1930's and it has not worked for us, or Israel, in the 1990's or later. The line should have been drawn in the sand, literally, long before this. Wendell Cotton -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch t ime.. Let FBI take care it.. I am calm and this "community" will not be ruined. I served my country back in the days of the Gulf War and I will do it again if I am so asked!!! Do not tell me or the rest of us who live under those stars and stripes every night how we should live or handle this situation. I wish I could be a part of the retaliation! -Original Message- From: Dewar Charles R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch t ime.. Let FBI take care it.. Geez, people, let's calm down and not let this ruin this community. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too much t ime.. Let FBI take care it.. FZCK YOU! -Original Message- From: Albert Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too much t ime.. Let FBI take care it.. Back to works.. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Not WWIII. Just a simple mop-up with the Russians in Afghanistan. Wiping out most of Afghanistan because their leaders have harbored and encouraged jerks like Bin Laden will be tragic - but it's all part of war. Enough appeasement. Chamberlain proved the fallacy of that argument 60 years ago. And it's been proven a joke again in the past 10. Time to draw the line in the sand (literally). Step over the line, time to get smacked. -Original Message- From: Dennis Atherton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack And you don't think, that with over 20,000 people dead, World War 3 has not been started on our shores now -Original Message- From: Murray Binette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Well, I just hope that Bush (or the 'Puppet' as many Canadians refer to him as) doesn't fly off the handle and start WWIII. -Original Message- From: Andrew Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack I would say that the US already feels pretty alienated right now - ASB -Original Message- From: Richard McClary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Well, that's one of the reactions terrorism is trying to provoke. Most of the world finds US policy to be obnoxious, and a violent large scale reaction will effectively alienate the US from the rest of the world. >I don't mean to promote war, but we as a country HAVE to retaliate to this... >F00k the 3rd world countries that harbor terrorists... http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
