RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Webster]

...and Wagnal

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com



> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM, G.Waleed Kavalec 
> wrote:
> >>> Dominus omus.
> >> Quidquid latine dictum, altum videtur
> 
> *thunk*


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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM, G.Waleed Kavalec  wrote:
>>> Dominus omus.
>> Quidquid latine dictum, altum videtur

*thunk*

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

Quidquid latine dictum, altum videtur


On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr <
michealespin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dominus omus.
>
> --
> Espi
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>
>> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used to
>> make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
>>
>> -sc
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:12 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>>
>>  The suck which has infested HP for the past several years continues to
>> spread.  We just today took a delivery of a brand new DesignJet T790.
>> $4500 wide-format printer.
>>
>>  The control panel UI is slow and often doesn't respond to finger
>> presses.  It does, however, have lots of high color graphics and
>> animations.
>>
>>  Web UI has two different credential schemes depending on what page
>> you're on.  Some pages want you to leave the username field blank; other
>> pages want you to use "admin" for the username.
>>
>>  Won't load paper.  Seems like it's not actually trying to feed.
>> After trying to a bit, it says "Edge of roll not found".  Prompts me to
>> lift the lever and unload paper.  I lift the lever.  New message:
>> "Lever unexpectedly lifted".  Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>
>>  Support guidance says load the latest firmware.
>>
>>  Look for firmware.  It's not under "Download drivers and software".
>> Eventually find it under a howto section.
>>
>>  309 MB file!  Get download started.
>>
>>  Since I'm downloading, decide to grab drivers.  Check under "Download
>> drivers and software".  Don't see drivers.  Mainly just this "HP ePrint
>> and Share: Easy printing" thing.  That claims to be a radical new
>> technology that lets me print without drivers or software.
>>  To use it, all I have to do is download and install this software.
>> Umm...
>>
>>  Eventually find drivers under some other howto page.
>>
>>  Firmware download finished.  It's just a binary blob, no checksum
>> info, no wrapper like ZIP or anything.  I just have to hope for the
>> best.  Takes several minutes to load.  Since then the machine's gone
>> offline and hasn't come back.
>>
>>  I'm dreading the day the corruption reaches the ProCurve division.
>>
>> -- Ben
>>
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The Debt Crisis Treason and Plot
I know of No Reason the Republican Treason
Should EVER be Forgot !

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Dominus omus.

--
Espi





On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used to
> make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:12 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>
>  The suck which has infested HP for the past several years continues to
> spread.  We just today took a delivery of a brand new DesignJet T790.
> $4500 wide-format printer.
>
>  The control panel UI is slow and often doesn't respond to finger
> presses.  It does, however, have lots of high color graphics and
> animations.
>
>  Web UI has two different credential schemes depending on what page
> you're on.  Some pages want you to leave the username field blank; other
> pages want you to use "admin" for the username.
>
>  Won't load paper.  Seems like it's not actually trying to feed.
> After trying to a bit, it says "Edge of roll not found".  Prompts me to
> lift the lever and unload paper.  I lift the lever.  New message:
> "Lever unexpectedly lifted".  Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
>  Support guidance says load the latest firmware.
>
>  Look for firmware.  It's not under "Download drivers and software".
> Eventually find it under a howto section.
>
>  309 MB file!  Get download started.
>
>  Since I'm downloading, decide to grab drivers.  Check under "Download
> drivers and software".  Don't see drivers.  Mainly just this "HP ePrint
> and Share: Easy printing" thing.  That claims to be a radical new
> technology that lets me print without drivers or software.
>  To use it, all I have to do is download and install this software.
> Umm...
>
>  Eventually find drivers under some other howto page.
>
>  Firmware download finished.  It's just a binary blob, no checksum
> info, no wrapper like ZIP or anything.  I just have to hope for the
> best.  Takes several minutes to load.  Since then the machine's gone
> offline and hasn't come back.
>
>  I'm dreading the day the corruption reaches the ProCurve division.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

Yes - I agree with what you're saying below. When HP did acquire Palm, the 
world wasn't dominated by Android/iOS (well, iOS was pretty big). So, if the 
execution was right, there was still an opportunity. The problem was the 
execution.

Anyway, all things start from somewhere: Android started from nothing too.

That said, I'm not hopeful about WebOS - certainly not as a mass market 
consumer tablet product. Maybe they'll find some niche areas to sell it into.

Cheers
Ken

From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 7:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

As I understand it, the only reason for acquiring Palm was to get WebOS.  Then 
they screwed up by waiting too long to enter the market with a product that was 
not ready and lacked app support.

As to the future of WebOS, who else would want it?  The HP failure is a major 
black mark, whether earned or not, whether the OS is superior or not.  The name 
of the game is apps.  Without developer support and a large catalog of apps, 
buyers won't pay a competitive price for a device that may be slightly better 
in ways most users won't notice.  I wonder how Playbook sales are doing at 
Blackberry and whether it can survive, for the same reasons.

Carl


From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

They inherited this as part of the Palm acquisition. WebOS used to get quite 
good reviews...

From: Carl Houseman 
[mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 8:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

You shouldn't expect highly paid executives to understand such an obvious 
potential (non) future for a product before it falls flat on its face in the 
market.

Think anyone will get fired as a result?  Unlikely.

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]<mailto:[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they decided 
to create a new tablet/phone OS?


From: Mike Sullivan 
[mailto:neog...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:neog...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC Unit. 
I'd say they are having some issues. 
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
them (HP1810G series)

Dave

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

1) There's a vast amount of capital tied up in that division - capital that 
could be spent on more profitable opportunities
2) By giving shareholders one share in "HP PC Group" plus one share in "The 
rest of HP" then those shareholders that don't want to have their money tied up 
in a company making commodity desktops can sell out, whilst still having a bet 
on the rest of the product lineup
3) Whilst PSG might be profitable now, I personally see the margins just 
getting squeezed to the point where it won't be profitable. IBM did the right 
thing by getting out (IMHO). Dell's going nowhere with their PC business - 
they're trying to find other markets. 
4) I don't live in America, so if I was a shareholder, I really wouldn't care 
about the "something's wrong with America" thing - I'm trying to decide whether 
I should put my money in HP or Google or... . So HP's got to 
respect the fact that the owners have choices on where to put their money

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 8:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> It makes lots of revenue, but very little money.  PSG has ~5% margin, 
> which will probably only fall further in the future.

  5% of money is still money.  5% of a very large amount of money is still a 
large amount of money.  Again, I don't get it.  Not the math, not the buzzwords 
-- what I don't get is the *mindset*.  "It's our largest product line.  It's 
profitable.  Get rid of it!"  I suspect this is one of those "There's something 
wrong with America" issues.
Our priorities are all jacked up.

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[N Parr]

Exactly, my general train of thought was...
 
Ohhh HP has a new tablet now.  What version of Android is it running?
Huh, Web/O-What?  
 
Like you said, look at Playbook sales compared to IOS/Android.
Blackberry already had an infrastructure of similar devices, market
share and development compared to HP.  And HP says "lets go with
something totally different that everyone will have to start over with
and few have even heard of".  
Sure we deal with users every day that wouldn't know the difference
between and Android and apple tablet.  But for the most part consumers
who are going to drop $$ on a tablet tend to do a little comparison
shopping and would figure out it doesn't run what all the other tablet
in the world do.  When the ads started for HP tablet my wife commented
"that looks neat".  I told her it doesn't run Android and her reply was
"then why would anyone want it".



From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)



As I understand it, the only reason for acquiring Palm was to get WebOS.
Then they screwed up by waiting too long to enter the market with a
product that was not ready and lacked app support.

 

As to the future of WebOS, who else would want it?  The HP failure is a
major black mark, whether earned or not, whether the OS is superior or
not.  The name of the game is apps.  Without developer support and a
large catalog of apps, buyers won't pay a competitive price for a device
that may be slightly better in ways most users won't notice.  I wonder
how Playbook sales are doing at Blackberry and whether it can survive,
for the same reasons.

 

Carl

 

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

They inherited this as part of the Palm acquisition. WebOS used to get
quite good reviews...

 

From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
<mailto:[mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]>  
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 8:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

You shouldn't expect highly paid executives to understand such an
obvious potential (non) future for a product before it falls flat on its
face in the market.

 

Think anyone will get fired as a result?  Unlikely.

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
<mailto:[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]>  
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they
decided to create a new tablet/phone OS?  

 



From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com]
<mailto:[mailto:neog...@gmail.com]>  
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
PC Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cu
ts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:

+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving
clients to them (HP1810G series)

Dave



 

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> It makes lots of revenue, but very little money.  PSG has ~5% margin, which
> will probably only fall further in the future.

  5% of money is still money.  5% of a very large amount of money is
still a large amount of money.  Again, I don't get it.  Not the math,
not the buzzwords -- what I don't get is the *mindset*.  "It's our
largest product line.  It's profitable.  Get rid of it!"  I suspect
this is one of those "There's something wrong with America" issues.
Our priorities are all jacked up.

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Carl Houseman]

As I understand it, the only reason for acquiring Palm was to get WebOS.
Then they screwed up by waiting too long to enter the market with a product
that was not ready and lacked app support.

 

As to the future of WebOS, who else would want it?  The HP failure is a major
black mark, whether earned or not, whether the OS is superior or not.  The
name of the game is apps.  Without developer support and a large catalog of
apps, buyers won't pay a competitive price for a device that may be slightly
better in ways most users won't notice.  I wonder how Playbook sales are
doing at Blackberry and whether it can survive, for the same reasons.

 

Carl

 

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

They inherited this as part of the Palm acquisition. WebOS used to get quite
good reviews.

 

From: Carl Houseman  <mailto:[mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]>
[mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 8:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

You shouldn't expect highly paid executives to understand such an obvious
potential (non) future for a product before it falls flat on its face in the
market.

 

Think anyone will get fired as a result?  Unlikely.

 

From: N Parr  <mailto:[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]>
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they decided
to create a new tablet/phone OS?  

 

  _  

From: Mike Sullivan  <mailto:[mailto:neog...@gmail.com]>
[mailto:neog...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-ou
tlook/55386?tag=nl.e589

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:

+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to
them (HP1810G series)

Dave



 

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Hoffman]

Just when I've finally standardised all my clients on the same model of HP 
desktop ...

Mike

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: 19 August 2011 12:29
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

Yep and they just reported that the PC division is getting spun off, along with 
killing the WEB OS and there tablet solution.

Z

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505
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From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP has been recruiting very heavily for server/app/desktop/cloud virtualization 
people.

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: Mathew Shember 
[mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]<mailto:[mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

This is fascinating and yet explains a recent presentation from them.

We have been toying with VDI and have been looking at several options.

We asked them to come in and present.

This they did.  However, they had no formal presentation, slides, nothing.

Just verbal what we should be doing and what they might have in the future.

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ziots, Edward]

Yep and they just reported that the PC division is getting spun off,
along with killing the WEB OS and there tablet solution. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

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From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

HP has been recruiting very heavily for server/app/desktop/cloud
virtualization people.

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> 

 

 

From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

This is fascinating and yet explains a recent presentation from them.

 

We have been toying with VDI and have been looking at several options.

 

We asked them to come in and present.

 

This they did.  However, they had no formal presentation, slides,
nothing.   

 

Just verbal what we should be doing and what they might have in the
future.

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Level 5 Lists]

Interestingly enough I just saw a very interesting investor (facebook, linked 
in etc) who was talking about how Apple makes so much profit in their hardware 
and how they basically re-wrote the entire hardware model etc etc ... and he 
was saying money is going back to hardware but more in tablets/devices and such 
and not as much in general 'box pc' type stuff ... was pretty interesting...

He also predicted the demise of google with search being dead on handheld 
devices as compared to a pc...

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

It makes lots of revenue, but very little money. PSG has ~5% margin, which will 
probably only fall further in the future. HP Services has a margin of ~15%, HP 
Software around 20%, IPG is ~17% etc.

Cheers
Ken

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 11:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are 
> more profitable and the PC market is not.

  Supposedly the margins are low, but it's still their biggest revenue 
generator.  I don't get it.  I mean, I'm sure some MBA can spew buzzwords about 
why, but fundamentally, I don't get it.  The money is still green, regardless 
of how it's made.



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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

It makes lots of revenue, but very little money. PSG has ~5% margin, which will 
probably only fall further in the future. HP Services has a margin of ~15%, HP 
Software around 20%, IPG is ~17% etc.

Cheers
Ken

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 11:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are 
> more profitable and the PC market is not.

  Supposedly the margins are low, but it's still their biggest revenue 
generator.  I don't get it.  I mean, I'm sure some MBA can spew buzzwords about 
why, but fundamentally, I don't get it.  The money is still green, regardless 
of how it's made.



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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Sullivan]

It's all about the bottom line and making the share holders happy. In this
case the PC market is too low of a margin to keep them happy. I wont be
surprised of it gets sold instead of spinning it off.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> > I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
> > profitable and the PC market is not.
>
>  Supposedly the margins are low, but it's still their biggest revenue
> generator.  I don't get it.  I mean, I'm sure some MBA can spew
> buzzwords about why, but fundamentally, I don't get it.  The money is
> still green, regardless of how it's made.
>
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Andrew S. Baker]

I generally agree with your statements.  However, it's going to take a few
more quarters of more sensible looking action to allow most people to
conclude that they have *now* attained (or regained) some direction.

One key part of direction is communication, and HP could have done much to
mitigate the manner in which today's announcement was received.  Only time
will tell, but they have much territory to recover in the "trust" and
"apparent competence of leadership" department.


* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  There are parts of HP that are profitable. There are parts that are not.
> Getting out of the latter is a good idea if they can’t fixed or aren’t core.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Software is one of the profitable and growing areas for HP. Data Centre is
> another area HP is trying to be an end-to-end provider for (we bought 3PAR,
> 3COM, Tipping Point, Arcsight etc.)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 August 2011 5:06 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>
> ** **
>
> It is most certainly about lacking direction...
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:**
> **
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>
>   Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
>
> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>
>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
> as lacking direction.
>
>
> **
>

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
> profitable and the PC market is not.

  Supposedly the margins are low, but it's still their biggest revenue
generator.  I don't get it.  I mean, I'm sure some MBA can spew
buzzwords about why, but fundamentally, I don't get it.  The money is
still green, regardless of how it's made.


-- Ben

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

There are parts of HP that are profitable. There are parts that are not. 
Getting out of the latter is a good idea if they can't fixed or aren't core.

Software is one of the profitable and growing areas for HP. Data Centre is 
another area HP is trying to be an end-to-end provider for (we bought 3PAR, 
3COM, Tipping Point, Arcsight etc.)



From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 5:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

It is most certainly about lacking direction...
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan 
mailto:neog...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
 Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?

 I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
as lacking direction.



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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

I don't think HP is getting rid of WebOS - just getting out of the hardware 
part. Presumably they will license it to other hardware ODMs/OEMs

HP is thinking about getting out of the personal computer market ala IBM and 
their deal with Lenovo. The margin in PCs isn't there

No major moves in servers (other than the problem HP has with Itanium). The 
Data Centre area (from servers to storage to networks to security to monitoring 
etc.) is still a big part of HP


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 4:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP Getting rid of WebOS - Okay, it could make sense. I could see some higher-up 
saying "We've put a lot into this, and it's failing! Cut it!"

HP Getting rid of their desktops - Huh? Aren't they #2 in that field? This is 
the bit that doesn't make sense at all.

Is HP getting rid of their server business as well? Anybody heard either way?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District



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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

They inherited this as part of the Palm acquisition. WebOS used to get quite 
good reviews...

From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 8:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

You shouldn't expect highly paid executives to understand such an obvious 
potential (non) future for a product before it falls flat on its face in the 
market.

Think anyone will get fired as a result?  Unlikely.

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]<mailto:[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they decided 
to create a new tablet/phone OS?


From: Mike Sullivan 
[mailto:neog...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:neog...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC Unit. 
I'd say they are having some issues. 
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
them (HP1810G series)

Dave





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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Carl Houseman]

You shouldn't expect highly paid executives to understand such an obvious
potential (non) future for a product before it falls flat on its face in the
market.

 

Think anyone will get fired as a result?  Unlikely.

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they
decided to create a new tablet/phone OS?  

 

  _  

From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-o
utlook/55386?tag=nl.e589

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:

+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients
to them (HP1810G series)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673  
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

 Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
any more.

 I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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Thank you,

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mathew Shember]

That maybe.  However, they left the money guys thinking "Why did we have this?"

Oh well.  Their loss...

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP has been recruiting very heavily for server/app/desktop/cloud virtualization 
people.

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

This is fascinating and yet explains a recent presentation from them.

We have been toying with VDI and have been looking at several options.

We asked them to come in and present.

This they did.  However, they had no formal presentation, slides, nothing.

Just verbal what we should be doing and what they might have in the future.

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Webster]

HP has been recruiting very heavily for server/app/desktop/cloud virtualization 
people.

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

This is fascinating and yet explains a recent presentation from them.

We have been toying with VDI and have been looking at several options.

We asked them to come in and present.

This they did.  However, they had no formal presentation, slides, nothing.

Just verbal what we should be doing and what they might have in the future.

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mathew Shember]

This is fascinating and yet explains a recent presentation from them.

We have been toying with VDI and have been looking at several options.

We asked them to come in and present.

This they did.  However, they had no formal presentation, slides, nothing.

Just verbal what we should be doing and what they might have in the future.




From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC Unit. 
I'd say they are having some issues. 
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
them (HP1810G series)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com<mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com>]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com<mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com>
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com<http://www.fiserv.com>



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com<mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

 Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
any more.

 I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Eldridge, Dave]

Well the procurve line would make more money if they charged Cisco like
smartnet. 

Just saying. J

 

From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
profitable and the PC market is not. At the same time they are spinning
off the PC division so the shareholders will get something out of it in
the long run. I think they are following IBM's lead here and they are
doing quite well overall. I wonder what will happen with the ProCurve
line, I'm sure that all depends on the profit margin! 

 

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan 
wrote:
> HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
PC
> Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.

 Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?

 I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
as lacking direction.

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Sullivan]

Agreed. Hopefully, the new CEO will not follow the old in that category and
stick with cleaning house and making their existing products resemble what
they used to as far as quality goes.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> IBM hasn't been making stupid acquisitions, however.
>
>
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>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
>
>> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
>> profitable and the PC market is not. At the same time they are spinning off
>> the PC division so the shareholders will get something out of it in the long
>> run. I think they are following IBM's lead here and they are doing quite
>> well overall. I wonder what will happen with the ProCurve line, I'm sure
>> that all depends on the profit margin!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan 
>>> wrote:
>>> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
>>> PC
>>> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>>>
>>>  Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
>>> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
>>> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
>>> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>>>
>>>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
>>> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
>>> as lacking direction.
>>>
>>> -- Ben
>>>
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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Andrew S. Baker]

IBM hasn't been making stupid acquisitions, however.


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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:

> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
> profitable and the PC market is not. At the same time they are spinning off
> the PC division so the shareholders will get something out of it in the long
> run. I think they are following IBM's lead here and they are doing quite
> well overall. I wonder what will happen with the ProCurve line, I'm sure
> that all depends on the profit margin!
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
>> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
>> PC
>> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>>
>>  Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
>> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
>> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
>> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>>
>>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
>> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
>> as lacking direction.
>>
>> -- Ben
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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>
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>
>
>

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Sullivan]

I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
profitable and the PC market is not. At the same time they are spinning off
the PC division so the shareholders will get something out of it in the long
run. I think they are following IBM's lead here and they are doing quite
well overall. I wonder what will happen with the ProCurve line, I'm sure
that all depends on the profit margin!

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>
>  Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>
>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
> as lacking direction.
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Andrew S. Baker]

It is most certainly about lacking direction...

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>
>   Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>
>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
> as lacking direction.
>
> -- Ben
>
>

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.

  Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?

  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
as lacking direction.

-- Ben

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Matthew W. Ross]

HP Getting rid of WebOS - Okay, it could make sense. I could see some higher-up 
saying "We've put a lot into this, and it's failing! Cut it!"

HP Getting rid of their desktops - Huh? Aren't they #2 in that field? This is 
the bit that doesn't make sense at all.

Is HP getting rid of their server business as well? Anybody heard either way?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Andrew S. Baker
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To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2011
13:44:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)


> Wow!
> 
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> 
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> Technology for the SMB market…
> 
> *
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> >
> >> +1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.
> >>
> >> Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving
> clients
> >> to them (HP1810G series)
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-
> >> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
> >> Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
> >> quite remember).
> >>
> >> I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...
> >>
> >> Don Guyer
> >> Windows Systems Engineer
> >> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
> >> Enterprise Technology Group
> >> Fiserv
> >> don.gu...@fiserv.com
> >> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
> >> Fax: 610-233-0404
> >> www.fiserv.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
> >>  wrote:
> >> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
> >> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
> >>
> >>  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
> >> enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
> >> any more.
> >>
> >>  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
> >> ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
> >> nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.
> >>
> >> -- Ben
> >>
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[N Parr]

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they
decided to create a new tablet/phone OS?  



From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)


HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
PC Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cu
ts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:


+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just
moving clients to them (HP1810G series)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
        Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers
and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III,
can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673  
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com



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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company
that used
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

 Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was
old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that
aren't made
any more.

 I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few
years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after
a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Andrew S. Baker]

Wow!

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:

> HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>> +1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.
>>
>> Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients
>> to them (HP1810G series)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
>> Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
>> quite remember).
>>
>> I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...
>>
>> Don Guyer
>> Windows Systems Engineer
>> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
>> Enterprise Technology Group
>> Fiserv
>> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>> Fax: 610-233-0404
>> www.fiserv.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>>  wrote:
>> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
>> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
>>
>>  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
>> enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
>> any more.
>>
>>  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
>> ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
>> nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.
>>
>> -- Ben
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[pdw1914]

Just read the latest news that HPgetting rid off it's PC line of business.

> From: david@nwea.org
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:49:23 +
> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> 
> +1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.
> 
> Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
> them (HP1810G series)
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> 
> LOL!
> 
> At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
> Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
> quite remember).
> 
> I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...
> 
> Don Guyer
> Windows Systems Engineer
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
> Enterprise Technology Group
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> Fax: 610-233-0404
> www.fiserv.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> 
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used 
> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
> 
>   Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
> enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
> any more.
> 
>   I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
> ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
> nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.
> 
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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Sullivan]

HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> +1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.
>
> Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients
> to them (HP1810G series)
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>
> LOL!
>
> At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
> Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
> quite remember).
>
> I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...
>
> Don Guyer
> Windows Systems Engineer
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
> Enterprise Technology Group
> Fiserv
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
> Fax: 610-233-0404
> www.fiserv.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
>
>  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
> enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
> any more.
>
>  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
> ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
> nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[David Lum]

+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
them (HP1810G series)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used 
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
any more.

  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Guyer, Don]

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
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Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used 
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
any more.

  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Steven M. Caesare]

No kidding. 

We had an actual HP plotter (you know, actual pens held by the robotic
gripper) back when I go my first real IT job that probably would still
work today. Replaced by a large-format HP inkjet "plotter" (model long
forgotten), that also was of that design era. This was 1990-ish..

Oh, that's also back when HP was of the mind that you should actually be
able to _USE_ all the ink you purchased in your cartridges, and didn't
feel like the protocol that the cartridge uses to talk to the printer
was of such national security importance that it need be encrypted[1].

-sc

[1] What you say? It also just happens to allow HP to sue makers of
compatible ink cartridges for violating the Digital Millennium Copyright
Act, effectively locking them out of the market? Convenient


> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> 
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that
used
> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
> 
>   Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to
> vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made any
more.
> 
>   I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and
> prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a nuclear war;
the
> cockroaches will have something to print with.
> 
> -- Ben
> 
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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Tim Evans  wrote:
>>>  I'm dreading the day the corruption reaches the ProCurve division.
>
> It may be starting already. I received an email this morning ... K.15.05.0002
> removed from web due to unexpected reboots.

/me hangs head while "Taps" plays softly

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used to
> make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't
made any more.

  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Steven M. Caesare]

A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used to
make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

  The suck which has infested HP for the past several years continues to
spread.  We just today took a delivery of a brand new DesignJet T790.
$4500 wide-format printer.

  The control panel UI is slow and often doesn't respond to finger
presses.  It does, however, have lots of high color graphics and
animations.

  Web UI has two different credential schemes depending on what page
you're on.  Some pages want you to leave the username field blank; other
pages want you to use "admin" for the username.

  Won't load paper.  Seems like it's not actually trying to feed.
After trying to a bit, it says "Edge of roll not found".  Prompts me to
lift the lever and unload paper.  I lift the lever.  New message:
"Lever unexpectedly lifted".  Lather, rinse, repeat.

  Support guidance says load the latest firmware.

  Look for firmware.  It's not under "Download drivers and software".
Eventually find it under a howto section.

  309 MB file!  Get download started.

  Since I'm downloading, decide to grab drivers.  Check under "Download
drivers and software".  Don't see drivers.  Mainly just this "HP ePrint
and Share: Easy printing" thing.  That claims to be a radical new
technology that lets me print without drivers or software.
 To use it, all I have to do is download and install this software.
Umm...

  Eventually find drivers under some other howto page.

  Firmware download finished.  It's just a binary blob, no checksum
info, no wrapper like ZIP or anything.  I just have to hope for the
best.  Takes several minutes to load.  Since then the machine's gone
offline and hasn't come back.

  I'm dreading the day the corruption reaches the ProCurve division.

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Tim Evans]

It may be starting already. I received an email this morning with the subject: 
"Critical Alert for your Modular Ethernet Switches and Fixed Port L3 Managed 
Ethernet Switches". It said: K.15.05.0002 removed from web due to unexpected 
reboots.

K.15.05.0002 was released June 20 but the advisory is dated August 5. Over 6 
weeks to figure it out. Ouch!
If anyone is interested in details, see: 
http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02952762&jumpid=em_alerts_us-us_Aug11_xbu_all_all_1384404_92646_networking_critical_006_9701
(probably wrapped)



...Tim


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

We can only hope that doesn't happen.  Ever.  

>>> Ben Scott  8/16/2011 7:12 PM >>>
The suck which has infested HP for the past several years continues to spread.  
We just today took a delivery of a brand new DesignJet T790.  $4500 wide-format 
printer.

  The control panel UI is slow and often doesn't respond to finger presses.  It 
does, however, have lots of high color graphics and animations.

  Web UI has two different credential schemes depending on what page you're on. 
 Some pages want you to leave the username field blank; other pages want you to 
use "admin" for the username.

  Won't load paper.  Seems like it's not actually trying to feed.
After trying to a bit, it says "Edge of roll not found".  Prompts me to lift 
the lever and unload paper.  I lift the lever.  New message:
"Lever unexpectedly lifted".  Lather, rinse, repeat.

  Support guidance says load the latest firmware.

  Look for firmware.  It's not under "Download drivers and software".
Eventually find it under a howto section.

  309 MB file!  Get download started.

  Since I'm downloading, decide to grab drivers.  Check under "Download drivers 
and software".  Don't see drivers.  Mainly just this "HP ePrint and Share: Easy 
printing" thing.  That claims to be a radical new technology that lets me print 
without drivers or software.
 To use it, all I have to do is download and install this software.
Umm...

  Eventually find drivers under some other howto page.

  Firmware download finished.  It's just a binary blob, no checksum info, no 
wrapper like ZIP or anything.  I just have to hope for the best.  Takes several 
minutes to load.  Since then the machine's gone offline and hasn't come back.

  I'm dreading the day the corruption reaches the ProCurve division.

-- Ben

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Joseph Heaton]

We can only hope that doesn't happen.  Ever.  

>>> Ben Scott  8/16/2011 7:12 PM >>>
The suck which has infested HP for the past several years continues
to spread.  We just today took a delivery of a brand new DesignJet
T790.  $4500 wide-format printer.

  The control panel UI is slow and often doesn't respond to finger
presses.  It does, however, have lots of high color graphics and
animations.

  Web UI has two different credential schemes depending on what page
you're on.  Some pages want you to leave the username field blank;
other pages want you to use "admin" for the username.

  Won't load paper.  Seems like it's not actually trying to feed.
After trying to a bit, it says "Edge of roll not found".  Prompts me
to lift the lever and unload paper.  I lift the lever.  New message:
"Lever unexpectedly lifted".  Lather, rinse, repeat.

  Support guidance says load the latest firmware.

  Look for firmware.  It's not under "Download drivers and software".
Eventually find it under a howto section.

  309 MB file!  Get download started.

  Since I'm downloading, decide to grab drivers.  Check under
"Download drivers and software".  Don't see drivers.  Mainly just this
"HP ePrint and Share: Easy printing" thing.  That claims to be a
radical new technology that lets me print without drivers or software.
 To use it, all I have to do is download and install this software.
Umm...

  Eventually find drivers under some other howto page.

  Firmware download finished.  It's just a binary blob, no checksum
info, no wrapper like ZIP or anything.  I just have to hope for the
best.  Takes several minutes to load.  Since then the machine's gone
offline and hasn't come back.

  I'm dreading the day the corruption reaches the ProCurve division.

-- Ben

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[OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

  The suck which has infested HP for the past several years continues
to spread.  We just today took a delivery of a brand new DesignJet
T790.  $4500 wide-format printer.

  The control panel UI is slow and often doesn't respond to finger
presses.  It does, however, have lots of high color graphics and
animations.

  Web UI has two different credential schemes depending on what page
you're on.  Some pages want you to leave the username field blank;
other pages want you to use "admin" for the username.

  Won't load paper.  Seems like it's not actually trying to feed.
After trying to a bit, it says "Edge of roll not found".  Prompts me
to lift the lever and unload paper.  I lift the lever.  New message:
"Lever unexpectedly lifted".  Lather, rinse, repeat.

  Support guidance says load the latest firmware.

  Look for firmware.  It's not under "Download drivers and software".
Eventually find it under a howto section.

  309 MB file!  Get download started.

  Since I'm downloading, decide to grab drivers.  Check under
"Download drivers and software".  Don't see drivers.  Mainly just this
"HP ePrint and Share: Easy printing" thing.  That claims to be a
radical new technology that lets me print without drivers or software.
 To use it, all I have to do is download and install this software.
Umm...

  Eventually find drivers under some other howto page.

  Firmware download finished.  It's just a binary blob, no checksum
info, no wrapper like ZIP or anything.  I just have to hope for the
best.  Takes several minutes to load.  Since then the machine's gone
offline and hasn't come back.

  I'm dreading the day the corruption reaches the ProCurve division.

-- Ben

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