Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-02 Thread Harry Singh 
>   The people who think that Mac's will never fly in the enterprise
> portray the same attitude that those who thought that Linux would
> never fly in the enterprise.  Or that PCs would never fly in the
> enterprise (mainframes are so much more reliable and capable, after
> all).  Macs may gain more traction in business, or not, but simply
> assuming they won't because they haven't yet isn't good.

+1000

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Matthew W. Ross wrote:

> > From: Ben Scott
> >   The people who think that Mac's will never fly in the enterprise
> > portray the same attitude that those who thought that Linux would
> > never fly in the enterprise.
>
> It aggravates me, just a little bit, when people assume that MacOS X (or
> Linux, or even Windows) is inferior to another OS. Doubtless, there have
> been thousands of individuals who have worked very hard over many years to
> make these systems usable for us, to enhance our ability to do work. Some
> might be better than others for for specific tasks... but thus far I have
> found them all useful and productive.
>
> >   Of course, by the same token, simply assuming buying a Mac will make
> > IT problems go away isn't good, either.
>
> +1
>
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Rankin, James R 
> wrote:
> > Are they all fanbois?
>
> No, there are fewer there than there are Windows fanbois here. Admittedly,
> I think this is a larger list.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Ben Scott
> [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Wed, 02 Nov 2011
> 08:15:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: From the Mac Enterprise list
>
>
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, David Lum  wrote:
> > > It actually doesn’t read much different than this list – they run into
> > the
> > > same issues with software deployment, VPN, networked printers, new OS
> > > deployments and things that break with a new OS in their environment,
> etc.
> > > Hate to tell ya, they’re like us, just dealing with a different OS.
> >
> >   I've said for decades that Mac's are just another computer.  They're
> > not inherently better or worse at anything than any other computer.
> > Particular implementation issues are better or worse, but that's the
> > case with anything.
> >
> >   The people who think that Mac's will never fly in the enterprise
> > portray the same attitude that those who thought that Linux would
> > never fly in the enterprise.  Or that PCs would never fly in the
> > enterprise (mainframes are so much more reliable and capable, after
> > all).  Macs may gain more traction in business, or not, but simply
> > assuming they won't because they haven't yet isn't good.
> >
> >   Of course, by the same token, simply assuming buying a Mac will make
> > IT problems go away isn't good, either.
> >
> > -- Ben
> >
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-02 Thread Matthew W. Ross 
> From: Ben Scott
>   The people who think that Mac's will never fly in the enterprise
> portray the same attitude that those who thought that Linux would
> never fly in the enterprise.

It aggravates me, just a little bit, when people assume that MacOS X (or Linux, 
or even Windows) is inferior to another OS. Doubtless, there have been 
thousands of individuals who have worked very hard over many years to make 
these systems usable for us, to enhance our ability to do work. Some might be 
better than others for for specific tasks... but thus far I have found them all 
useful and productive.

>   Of course, by the same token, simply assuming buying a Mac will make
> IT problems go away isn't good, either.

+1

> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Rankin, James R  
> wrote:
> Are they all fanbois?

No, there are fewer there than there are Windows fanbois here. Admittedly, I 
think this is a larger list.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott
[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 02 Nov 2011
08:15:43 -0700
Subject: Re: From the Mac Enterprise list


> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, David Lum  wrote:
> > It actually doesn’t read much different than this list – they run into
> the
> > same issues with software deployment, VPN, networked printers, new OS
> > deployments and things that break with a new OS in their environment, etc.
> > Hate to tell ya, they’re like us, just dealing with a different OS.
> 
>   I've said for decades that Mac's are just another computer.  They're
> not inherently better or worse at anything than any other computer.
> Particular implementation issues are better or worse, but that's the
> case with anything.
> 
>   The people who think that Mac's will never fly in the enterprise
> portray the same attitude that those who thought that Linux would
> never fly in the enterprise.  Or that PCs would never fly in the
> enterprise (mainframes are so much more reliable and capable, after
> all).  Macs may gain more traction in business, or not, but simply
> assuming they won't because they haven't yet isn't good.
> 
>   Of course, by the same token, simply assuming buying a Mac will make
> IT problems go away isn't good, either.
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-02 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, David Lum  wrote:
> It actually doesn’t read much different than this list – they run into the
> same issues with software deployment, VPN, networked printers, new OS
> deployments and things that break with a new OS in their environment, etc.
> Hate to tell ya, they’re like us, just dealing with a different OS.

  I've said for decades that Mac's are just another computer.  They're
not inherently better or worse at anything than any other computer.
Particular implementation issues are better or worse, but that's the
case with anything.

  The people who think that Mac's will never fly in the enterprise
portray the same attitude that those who thought that Linux would
never fly in the enterprise.  Or that PCs would never fly in the
enterprise (mainframes are so much more reliable and capable, after
all).  Macs may gain more traction in business, or not, but simply
assuming they won't because they haven't yet isn't good.

  Of course, by the same token, simply assuming buying a Mac will make
IT problems go away isn't good, either.

-- Ben

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RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-02 Thread David Lum 
No, they're sysadmins, the folks they support are fanbois, so in some ways they 
have it worse than us.

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 7:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

Are they all fanbois?
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:53:36 +
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
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Subject: RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

The one I'm on is here
http://www.macenterprise.org/mailing-list

It actually doesn't read much different than this list - they run into the same 
issues with software deployment, VPN, networked printers, new OS deployments 
and things that break with a new OS in their environment, etc. Hate to tell ya, 
they're like us, just dealing with a different OS.

Dave

From: David Liu 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:51 PM
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Subject: Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Bill Humphries 
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I wouldn't mind really knowing where this list is. At one client I support an 
XSAN environment with about 35TB of storage, a couple of xserves and eight 
fiber-connected finalcut workstations. It could come in handy.

Bill


James Hill wrote:

There's a Mac Enterprise list?
What's it called. li...@oxymoron.com<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com> 
<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com>>?

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*Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-02 Thread Jonathan Link 
Oy...

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Rankin, James R wrote:

> Are they all fanbois?
>
> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
> --
> *From: * David Lum 
> *Date: *Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:53:36 +
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *RE: From the Mac Enterprise list
>
> The one I’m on is here
> http://www.macenterprise.org/mailing-list
>
> ** **
>
> It actually doesn’t read much different than this list – they run into the
> same issues with software deployment, VPN, networked printers, new OS
> deployments and things that break with a new OS in their environment, etc.
> Hate to tell ya, they’re like us, just dealing with a different OS.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Liu [mailto:ganymed...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:51 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: From the Mac Enterprise list
>
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> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't mind really knowing where this list is. At one client I support
> an XSAN environment with about 35TB of storage, a couple of xserves and
> eight fiber-connected finalcut workstations. It could come in handy.
>
> Bill
>
>
> James Hill wrote:
>
>
> There’s a Mac Enterprise list?
>
> What’s it called. li...@oxymoron.com <mailto:li...@oxymoron.com>?
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* From the Mac Enterprise list
>
>
>
> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
>
> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
> 
>
> *David Lum*
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>
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-02 Thread Rankin, James R 
Are they all fanbois?

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:53:36 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

The one I'm on is here
http://www.macenterprise.org/mailing-list

It actually doesn't read much different than this list - they run into the same 
issues with software deployment, VPN, networked printers, new OS deployments 
and things that break with a new OS in their environment, etc. Hate to tell ya, 
they're like us, just dealing with a different OS.

Dave

From: David Liu [mailto:ganymed...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Bill Humphries 
mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com>> wrote:
I wouldn't mind really knowing where this list is. At one client I support an 
XSAN environment with about 35TB of storage, a couple of xserves and eight 
fiber-connected finalcut workstations. It could come in handy.

Bill


James Hill wrote:

There's a Mac Enterprise list?
What's it called. li...@oxymoron.com<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com> 
<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com>>?

*From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
*Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* From the Mac Enterprise list


Well, at least that's how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
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RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-02 Thread David Lum 
The one I'm on is here
http://www.macenterprise.org/mailing-list

It actually doesn't read much different than this list - they run into the same 
issues with software deployment, VPN, networked printers, new OS deployments 
and things that break with a new OS in their environment, etc. Hate to tell ya, 
they're like us, just dealing with a different OS.

Dave

From: David Liu [mailto:ganymed...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Bill Humphries 
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I wouldn't mind really knowing where this list is. At one client I support an 
XSAN environment with about 35TB of storage, a couple of xserves and eight 
fiber-connected finalcut workstations. It could come in handy.

Bill


James Hill wrote:

There's a Mac Enterprise list?
What's it called. li...@oxymoron.com<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com> 
<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com>>?

*From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
*Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* From the Mac Enterprise list


Well, at least that's how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
*David Lum*
Systems Engineer // NWEA^TM
Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764


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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-01 Thread David Liu 
Hi Bill,

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> I wouldn't mind really knowing where this list is. At one client I support
> an XSAN environment with about 35TB of storage, a couple of xserves and
> eight fiber-connected finalcut workstations. It could come in handy.
>
> Bill
>
>
> James Hill wrote:
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>>
>> There’s a Mac Enterprise list?
>>
>> What’s it called. li...@oxymoron.com <mailto:li...@oxymoron.com>?
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* From the Mac Enterprise list
>>
>>
>> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
>> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/**2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-**
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-01 Thread Bill Humphries 
I wouldn't mind really knowing where this list is. At one client I 
support an XSAN environment with about 35TB of storage, a couple of 
xserves and eight fiber-connected finalcut workstations. It could come 
in handy.


Bill


James Hill wrote:


There’s a Mac Enterprise list?

What’s it called. li...@oxymoron.com <mailto:li...@oxymoron.com>?

*From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
*Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* From the Mac Enterprise list

Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/

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RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-01 Thread Benjamin Zachary 
What I find interesting about that article is just last year there was
another report from gartner or forrester that claimed that Apple has a small
margin in the business segment but a huge margin in the support segment. 

 

I can testify to this as I have two clients who love their Macs, iphones
macbooks etc. They are nice in my opinion, but when we look at their overall
bills these 2 companies spend more on the 2 mac users than the entire 30
users in the rest of the offices. That's just a fact. The other partners
(law firm) complain about it all the time but they won't switch . 

 

This year there is a zdnet report that says its now cheaper to support Macs
. my *guess* is that's because the it department says your on your own if
you want to do it . thus it costs less J

 

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 5:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: From the Mac Enterprise list

 

Well, at least that's how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-
to-support-the-mac/

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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-01 Thread S Powell 
no li...@smuglythinkingdifferently.com

-- written on my MacBook, tethered to my iPhone.


-
Oh, by the way, which one's Pink?


On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 15:17, James Hill wrote:

>  There’s a Mac Enterprise list? ** **
>
> ** **
>
> What’s it called.  li...@oxymoron.com?  
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* From the Mac Enterprise list
>
>  ** **
>
> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
>
> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
> 
>
> *David Lum*
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> ** **
>
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RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-01 Thread Damien Solodow 
Actually I think we're talking Enterprise C. You're sure there had to be one, 
but no-one can tell you much about it.

From: Steven Peck [sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 6:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

So, we're talking Enterprise A not Enterprise E

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
It's a small list
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

From: James Hill 
[mailto:james.h...@coffeeclub.com.au<mailto:james.h...@coffeeclub.com.au>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 06:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

There’s a Mac Enterprise list?

What’s it called.  li...@oxymoron.com<mailto:li...@oxymoron.com>?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: From the Mac Enterprise list

Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-01 Thread Jeff Brown 
I worked for a consulting firm for several years that had both MS and Apple
Techs.  I heard all day long for months about how great Xserve was going to
be, how it was going to change the whole server market.  They had ONE high
profile client(Advertising agency) that was going to get the first one in
our market.  They were all SO EXCITED!  These Apple techs were good, as far
as they go, but they knew absolutely nothing about networking, and even
less about servers.  The much anticipated server install started at 5 on a
Friday.  They called me at noon on Saturday.  They had pretty much worked
through the night and were not able to get a single device out on the
internet.  The docs that shipped with the server could have been written by
a marketing executive. First thing I asked them was "does it have a
built-in firewall".  They had no idea.  It was priceless.  I bet they still
have a windows server there to this day.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr <
michealespin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> LOL
>
> --
> Espi
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, James Hill 
> wrote:
>
>>  There’s a Mac Enterprise list? ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What’s it called.  li...@oxymoron.com?  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* From the Mac Enterprise list
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
>>
>> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
>> 
>>
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-01 Thread Steven Peck 
So, we're talking Enterprise A not Enterprise E

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, John Cook  wrote:

>  It's a small list
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
>  *From*: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
> *Sent*: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 06:17 PM
> *To*: NT System Admin Issues 
> *Subject*: RE: From the Mac Enterprise list
>
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> There’s a Mac Enterprise list? 
>
> ** **
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>
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> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
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>
> ** **
>
> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
>
> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
> 
>
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-11-01 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr 
LOL

--
Espi





On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, James Hill wrote:

>  There’s a Mac Enterprise list? ** **
>
> ** **
>
> What’s it called.  li...@oxymoron.com?  
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011 7:03 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* From the Mac Enterprise list
>
>  ** **
>
> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
>
> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
> 
>
> *David Lum*
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>
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-10-31 Thread Matthew W. Ross 
*ducks*

On 10/29/2011 12:47 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:
>
> **snicker**
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> *From:*Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:43 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: From the Mac Enterprise list
>
> As long it's the Apple lovers who die, I don't see a problem here.
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 16:04, Micheal Espinola Jr 
> mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Some people are going to have to die on this one...
>
> --
> Espi
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:02 PM, David Lum  <mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
>
> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
>
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RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-10-29 Thread Michael B. Smith 
*snicker*

Regards,

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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:43 PM
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As long it's the Apple lovers who die, I don't see a problem here.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 16:04, Micheal Espinola Jr 
mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Some people are going to have to die on this one...

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:02 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-10-29 Thread Kurt Buff 
As long it's the Apple lovers who die, I don't see a problem here.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 16:04, Micheal Espinola Jr <
michealespin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some people are going to have to die on this one...
>
> --
> Espi
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:02 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
>>
>> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
>> 
>>
>> *David Lum*
>> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>>
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>>
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-10-28 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr 
Some people are going to have to die on this one...

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:02 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> Well, at least that’s how I know of it..
>
> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
> 
>
> *David Lum*
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>
> ** **
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RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-10-28 Thread Free, Bob 
For discussions of this nature, the noun previously known as nerve has been 
replaced with iPath :)

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

I sense an agitated nerve :)

Agreed.

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 5:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

I'm a consultant, and I do whatever my clients want me to do; but I have to say 
(with only reading that article and not the entire white paper) that that is 
somewhat short-sighted.

IT is there to support the business - absolutely. And whatever the business 
deems a requirement, then IT has to do. But the business has to fund it. And 
let's make no mistake - there is a REAL COST to deploying Apple devices and 
supporting them at the same level of Windows devices.

And some of those points the article makes are specious - you can get 
top-of-the-line Windows machines at comparable cost to a top-of-the-line Apple 
machines - including SSDs and very high performance.

If the Apple owners don't want to be "bogged down" with anti-virus, or software 
distribution and protection services, or network access protection - I'm 
inclined to say that that is just too frickin' bad. Corporate demands those 
standards for a reason. And should. And must continue doing so.

If the business is willing to support the Apple effort and interoperability - 
then rock on! But pretending it's free or "no additional cost" - that's a 
Pollyanna statement.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]<mailto:[mailto:david@nwea.org]>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 5:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: From the Mac Enterprise list

Well, at least that's how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
David Lum
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RE: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-10-28 Thread Michael B. Smith 
I'm a consultant, and I do whatever my clients want me to do; but I have to say 
(with only reading that article and not the entire white paper) that that is 
somewhat short-sighted.

IT is there to support the business - absolutely. And whatever the business 
deems a requirement, then IT has to do. But the business has to fund it. And 
let's make no mistake - there is a REAL COST to deploying Apple devices and 
supporting them at the same level of Windows devices.

And some of those points the article makes are specious - you can get 
top-of-the-line Windows machines at comparable cost to a top-of-the-line Apple 
machines - including SSDs and very high performance.

If the Apple owners don't want to be "bogged down" with anti-virus, or software 
distribution and protection services, or network access protection - I'm 
inclined to say that that is just too frickin' bad. Corporate demands those 
standards for a reason. And should. And must continue doing so.

If the business is willing to support the Apple effort and interoperability - 
then rock on! But pretending it's free or "no additional cost" - that's a 
Pollyanna statement.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 5:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: From the Mac Enterprise list

Well, at least that's how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
David Lum
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Re: From the Mac Enterprise list

2011-10-28 Thread Rankin, James R 
Said it before, and I will say it again - there's no reason windows apps can't 
be delivered to the Mac, or many other myriad devices. Resistance to the 
user-driven trends is foolish, IMHO. IT exists to empower the business by 
adapting, not dragging its heels. Which is not to say we shouldn't be aware of 
and mitigate against the risks, but if we don't make preparations to embrace 
consumer trends, we will either be left behind or forced to adapt by upper 
management. YMMV, etc.

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:02:34 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: From the Mac Enterprise list

Well, at least that's how I know of it..
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/27/hell-freezes-over-forrester-urges-it-to-support-the-mac/
David Lum
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