RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Ken Schaefer
You can check to see when a computer last refreshed it's computer account 
password. Greater than 30 days would indicate that the machine probably doesn't 
exist anymore, or is not connected to the network.

That said, sorting this out really means sorting out your processes. AD doesn't 
get this way in the first place unless you don't have processes.

Cheers
Ken

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 1:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD maintenance?

How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a bunch 
on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a mid-size org and 
am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is willing to take the 
time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of systems with "description 
has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search of computers with 
"description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since NWEA has ~250 
employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton of clutter in 
there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the 
two.

Suggestions?
David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025










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RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread David Lum
Maybe not, but at least it lasts for more than 2 seconds...

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

>From what I hear, Lum's stick is not big enough...

Shook

From: Free, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

I get that totally but it's still small enough to be manageable. If you have a 
big enough stick to create and enforce standards that will get you a long way.

One thing that will really get you a leg up is force everything to have an 
owner that is accountable for the object[s].

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

Thanks. The problem is we have an amazing number of fingers in the pie for a 
small shop- our three "Desktop support" (they actually do far more than the 
typical desktop support guys) folks create machine, user, and group (both 
security and distribution) accounts, then we have at least three Systems 
Engineers that do the server side creating servers and accounts they need...and 
then there's me who straddles both sides, I am a Systems Engineer but I mainly 
support the employee side of things not the NWEA client side.

Dave

From: Free, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

Oldcmp is your best bet for free/low cost for computers and users. You really 
need a lifecycle management system in place and it all starts with how you do 
provisioning and adherence to standards. That can be difficult to implement, 
especially if none existed in the past. We have a very mature process for user 
objects but it was a lot of work to get it in place and all automated. IMHO 
groups are the hardest. It's fairly trivial to tell when a user or computer 
object was used, groups are more difficult because of the myriad places they 
can be used without being updated from an AD perspective. Your org is pretty 
small so it shouldn't be as difficult as bigger ones where there are a lot more 
fingers in the pie.

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD maintenance?

How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a bunch 
on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a mid-size org and 
am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is willing to take the 
time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of systems with "description 
has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search of computers with 
"description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since NWEA has ~250 
employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton of clutter in 
there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the 
two.

Suggestions?
David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025






























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RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Andy Shook
>From what I hear, Lum's stick is not big enough...

Shook

From: Free, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

I get that totally but it's still small enough to be manageable. If you have a 
big enough stick to create and enforce standards that will get you a long way.

One thing that will really get you a leg up is force everything to have an 
owner that is accountable for the object[s].

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

Thanks. The problem is we have an amazing number of fingers in the pie for a 
small shop- our three "Desktop support" (they actually do far more than the 
typical desktop support guys) folks create machine, user, and group (both 
security and distribution) accounts, then we have at least three Systems 
Engineers that do the server side creating servers and accounts they need...and 
then there's me who straddles both sides, I am a Systems Engineer but I mainly 
support the employee side of things not the NWEA client side.

Dave

From: Free, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

Oldcmp is your best bet for free/low cost for computers and users. You really 
need a lifecycle management system in place and it all starts with how you do 
provisioning and adherence to standards. That can be difficult to implement, 
especially if none existed in the past. We have a very mature process for user 
objects but it was a lot of work to get it in place and all automated. IMHO 
groups are the hardest. It's fairly trivial to tell when a user or computer 
object was used, groups are more difficult because of the myriad places they 
can be used without being updated from an AD perspective. Your org is pretty 
small so it shouldn't be as difficult as bigger ones where there are a lot more 
fingers in the pie.

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD maintenance?

How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a bunch 
on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a mid-size org and 
am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is willing to take the 
time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of systems with "description 
has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search of computers with 
"description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since NWEA has ~250 
employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton of clutter in 
there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the 
two.

Suggestions?
David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025

























~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Free, Bob
I get that totally but it's still small enough to be manageable. If you
have a big enough stick to create and enforce standards that will get
you a long way. 

 

One thing that will really get you a leg up is force everything to have
an owner that is accountable for the object[s].

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

 

Thanks. The problem is we have an amazing number of fingers in the pie
for a small shop- our three "Desktop support" (they actually do far more
than the typical desktop support guys) folks create machine, user, and
group (both security and distribution) accounts, then we have at least
three Systems Engineers that do the server side creating servers and
accounts they need...and then there's me who straddles both sides, I am
a Systems Engineer but I mainly support the employee side of things not
the NWEA client side.

 

Dave

 

From: Free, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

 

Oldcmp is your best bet for free/low cost for computers and users. You
really need a lifecycle management system in place and it all starts
with how you do provisioning and adherence to standards. That can be
difficult to implement, especially if none existed in the past. We have
a very mature process for user objects but it was a lot of work to get
it in place and all automated. IMHO groups are the hardest. It's fairly
trivial to tell when a user or computer object was used, groups are more
difficult because of the myriad places they can be used without being
updated from an AD perspective. Your org is pretty small so it shouldn't
be as difficult as bigger ones where there are a lot more fingers in the
pie.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD maintenance?

 

How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having
a bunch on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a
mid-size org and am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who
is willing to take the time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query
of systems with "description has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A
search of computers with "description has a no value" comes up with 811,
and since NWEA has ~250 employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure
there is a  ton of clutter in there. Ferreting out the invalid
desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the two.

 

Suggestions?

David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
I'm assuming with that said, you have no Configuration Management process to
identify standards and such?  That'd be the way to go.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

 

Thanks. The problem is we have an amazing number of fingers in the pie for a
small shop- our three "Desktop support" (they actually do far more than the
typical desktop support guys) folks create machine, user, and group (both
security and distribution) accounts, then we have at least three Systems
Engineers that do the server side creating servers and accounts they
need.and then there's me who straddles both sides, I am a Systems Engineer
but I mainly support the employee side of things not the NWEA client side.

 

Dave

 

From: Free, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

 

Oldcmp is your best bet for free/low cost for computers and users. You
really need a lifecycle management system in place and it all starts with
how you do provisioning and adherence to standards. That can be difficult to
implement, especially if none existed in the past. We have a very mature
process for user objects but it was a lot of work to get it in place and all
automated. IMHO groups are the hardest. It's fairly trivial to tell when a
user or computer object was used, groups are more difficult because of the
myriad places they can be used without being updated from an AD perspective.
Your org is pretty small so it shouldn't be as difficult as bigger ones
where there are a lot more fingers in the pie.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD maintenance?

 

How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a
bunch on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a mid-size
org and am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is willing to
take the time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of systems with
"description has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search of computers
with "description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since NWEA has ~250
employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton of clutter in
there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the
two.

 

Suggestions?

David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread David Lum
Thanks. The problem is we have an amazing number of fingers in the pie for a 
small shop- our three "Desktop support" (they actually do far more than the 
typical desktop support guys) folks create machine, user, and group (both 
security and distribution) accounts, then we have at least three Systems 
Engineers that do the server side creating servers and accounts they need...and 
then there's me who straddles both sides, I am a Systems Engineer but I mainly 
support the employee side of things not the NWEA client side.

Dave

From: Free, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

Oldcmp is your best bet for free/low cost for computers and users. You really 
need a lifecycle management system in place and it all starts with how you do 
provisioning and adherence to standards. That can be difficult to implement, 
especially if none existed in the past. We have a very mature process for user 
objects but it was a lot of work to get it in place and all automated. IMHO 
groups are the hardest. It's fairly trivial to tell when a user or computer 
object was used, groups are more difficult because of the myriad places they 
can be used without being updated from an AD perspective. Your org is pretty 
small so it shouldn't be as difficult as bigger ones where there are a lot more 
fingers in the pie.

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD maintenance?

How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a bunch 
on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a mid-size org and 
am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is willing to take the 
time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of systems with "description 
has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search of computers with 
"description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since NWEA has ~250 
employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton of clutter in 
there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the 
two.

Suggestions?
David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've used Hyena many times in the past to purge old computer accounts.  You
can run querys on it very easily that will tell you the last time the
machine pswd was changed.

JR

Original Message:
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From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:44:08 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: AD maintenance?


How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a
bunch on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a
mid-size org and am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is
willing to take the time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of
systems with "description has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search
of computers with "description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since
NWEA has ~250 employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton
of clutter in there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the
bigger issue of the two.

Suggestions?
David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025





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Re: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Kurt Buff
One simple alternative is netpwage.exe - google for it. You specify
computers or users, and the number of days since last password change,
and it'll give you a list of objects that are haven't changed their
password in at least that long.

It's old, but still works just fine - though I've found that the
objects it lists aren't always moribund.

Kurt


On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a
> bunch on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a mid-size
> org and am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is willing to
> take the time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of systems with
> "description has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search of computers
> with "description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since NWEA has ~250
> employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton of clutter in
> there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the
> two.
>
>
>
> Suggestions?
>
> David Lum
> SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025

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RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
We run a reconciliation between our SMS box, our AD infrastructure, EPO,
WSUS, Solarwinds, Symantec, and Remedy.  We're in the process of scripting
an insertion of a trouble ticket for someone to physically clean these
issues up.  Currently, someone has to manually clean them - and I'm not sure
how that is being accomplished though.  But, yes, we're having the same
issue here too.



-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD maintenance?

Funny you mention WSUS, I did exactly that this morning...didn't clear out
as many as I'd hoped though...

-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: AD maintenance?

If you have something that can easily give you a list of machines,
already organized by category (servers vs workstations vs laptops or
whatever), I think you should start there.

The "something" I'm thinking of is WSUS. Seriously! It'll have the names
of all the current machines, how recently it was active, etc.

Kennedy, Jim wrote:
> +1 for Old Comp.   Disable first, see who calls.

--

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Free, Bob
Oldcmp is your best bet for free/low cost for computers and users. You
really need a lifecycle management system in place and it all starts
with how you do provisioning and adherence to standards. That can be
difficult to implement, especially if none existed in the past. We have
a very mature process for user objects but it was a lot of work to get
it in place and all automated. IMHO groups are the hardest. It's fairly
trivial to tell when a user or computer object was used, groups are more
difficult because of the myriad places they can be used without being
updated from an AD perspective. Your org is pretty small so it shouldn't
be as difficult as bigger ones where there are a lot more fingers in the
pie.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD maintenance?

 

How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having
a bunch on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a
mid-size org and am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who
is willing to take the time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query
of systems with "description has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A
search of computers with "description has a no value" comes up with 811,
and since NWEA has ~250 employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure
there is a  ton of clutter in there. Ferreting out the invalid
desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the two.

 

Suggestions?

David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED] // 971.222.1025 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~   ~

RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread David Lum
Funny you mention WSUS, I did exactly that this morning...didn't clear out as 
many as I'd hoped though...

-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: AD maintenance?

If you have something that can easily give you a list of machines,
already organized by category (servers vs workstations vs laptops or
whatever), I think you should start there.

The "something" I'm thinking of is WSUS. Seriously! It'll have the names
of all the current machines, how recently it was active, etc.

Kennedy, Jim wrote:
> +1 for Old Comp.   Disable first, see who calls.

--

Phil Brutsche
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



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Re: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Phil Brutsche
If you have something that can easily give you a list of machines,
already organized by category (servers vs workstations vs laptops or
whatever), I think you should start there.

The "something" I'm thinking of is WSUS. Seriously! It'll have the names
of all the current machines, how recently it was active, etc.

Kennedy, Jim wrote:
> +1 for Old Comp.   Disable first, see who calls.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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~   ~


RE: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread Kennedy, Jim
+1 for Old Comp.   Disable first, see who calls.

From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: AD maintenance?

Try the joeware free tools?

http://www.joeware.net/freetools/
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:44 AM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:

How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a bunch 
on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a mid-size org and 
am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is willing to take the 
time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of systems with "description 
has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search of computers with 
"description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since NWEA has ~250 
employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton of clutter in 
there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the 
two.



Suggestions?

David Lum
SYSTEMS ENGINEER // NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> // 971.222.1025



















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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: AD maintenance?

2008-09-03 Thread MarvinC
Try the joeware free tools?

http://www.joeware.net/freetools/

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>  How do you guys with larger org's handle keeping AD tidy and not having a
> bunch on non-existent system, user and group accounts? I work for a mid-size
> org and am almost certainly the only Systems Engineer here who is willing to
> take the time to try and maintain AD. If I do an AD query of systems with
> "description has a value" I come up with 191 objects. A search of computers
> with "description has a no value" comes up with 811, and since NWEA has ~250
> employees and 140-ish servers I'm pretty sure there is a  ton of clutter in
> there. Ferreting out the invalid desktops/laptops is the bigger issue of the
> two.
>
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>
> Suggestions?
>
> *David Lum**
> *SYSTEMS ENGINEER *//* NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *//* 971.222.1025
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