RE: Backup to cloud?
But I read it on the Internet...! Bonjour... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE0A8B.711D7190] From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Let's not get carried away with calling this proposal 'cloud backup'. IMHO you're offering offsite backup. For something to be cloud you should look at NIST (or similar definitions), which include elements like rapid elasticity, user self-service, broad network access and measured service: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf Cheers Ken From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 5:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Yes, DR. Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If could get the liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the download from there -- my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours. I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, kind of goes along with my spare server conversation a couple weeks ago. Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the not covered from that angle twinge. From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
RE: Backup to cloud?
Nice, definitely relates to the cloud... Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Let’s not get carried away with calling this proposal ‘cloud backup’. Why not? Everyone else is. -- Ben LOL If all your friends jumped off a cliff... OB xkcd : http://xkcd.com/1170/ Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup to cloud?
My initial question concerned cloud as if it's leaving the clients' building via Internet, the transfer data rate is the same weather it's just offsite or true cloud. From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Let's not get carried away with calling this proposal 'cloud backup'. IMHO you're offering offsite backup. For something to be cloud you should look at NIST (or similar definitions), which include elements like rapid elasticity, user self-service, broad network access and measured service: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf Cheers Ken From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 5:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Yes, DR. Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If could get the liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the download from there -- my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours. I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, kind of goes along with my spare server conversation a couple weeks ago. Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the not covered from that angle twinge. From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup to cloud?
... weather ... cloud... I see what you did there. -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? My initial question concerned cloud as if it's leaving the clients' building via Internet, the transfer data rate is the same weather it's just offsite or true cloud. From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Let's not get carried away with calling this proposal 'cloud backup'. IMHO you're offering offsite backup. For something to be cloud you should look at NIST (or similar definitions), which include elements like rapid elasticity, user self-service, broad network access and measured service: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf Cheers Ken From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 5:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Yes, DR. Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If could get the liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the download from there -- my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours. I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, kind of goes along with my spare server conversation a couple weeks ago. Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the not covered from that angle twinge. From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup to cloud?
FTFY From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? But I read it on the InternetCloud...! Bonjour... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. [Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240] From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Let's not get carried away with calling this proposal 'cloud backup'. IMHO you're offering offsite backup. For something to be cloud you should look at NIST (or similar definitions), which include elements like rapid elasticity, user self-service, broad network access and measured service: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf Cheers Ken From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 5:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Yes, DR. Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If could get the liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the download from there -- my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours. I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, kind of goes along with my spare server conversation a couple weeks ago. Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the not covered from that angle twinge. From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
Re: Backup to cloud?
We fall under some of those and we do off site backups. We use Iron Mountain. If we need to under contract thy will overnight physical media to us. We have terra bytes of data we do this with. Fortunately it's not my group that handles it as it's not something that interests me overly much. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: There are currently no regulatory concerns, insofar as I have never been asked by them to make them compliant for anything. I will ask to make sure, however. ** ** Dave ** ** *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:39 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup to cloud? ** ** Have you thought about the confidentiality aspects of putting your data in the cloud, especially if its under regulatory compliance ( PCI, HIPAA, Sox) if you haven’t you might be getting yourself in a lot of hot water. ** ** Z ** ** Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org ** ** This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. *[image: Description: Description: Lifespan]* ** ** ** ** *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com sca...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup to cloud? ** ** Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for situations like this. (Called Direct Connect?). Not too familiar with it. I think connections as fast as 10Gbps. You could design your DR strategy around a data center supporting this. ** ** Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives. ** ** There are also some solutions that allow you to ‘spin-up’ your backups at the cloud location on a VM. (Check out Unitrends. Veem?). Then, you don’t have to download the backups. ** ** I put all my ‘cloud’ backups into the same remote data center I would restore to in a disaster. And some of that even gets backed up to the ‘real’ cloud (Amazon S3). ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup to cloud? ** ** I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to download. The send me it on a USB drive option that Ben mentioned is my DR choice :-) ** ** On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… *David Lum* Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
RE: Backup to cloud?
Like a good neighbor. From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? FTFY From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? But I read it on the InternetCloud...! Bonjour... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE0AAA.B5515F10] From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Let's not get carried away with calling this proposal 'cloud backup'. IMHO you're offering offsite backup. For something to be cloud you should look at NIST (or similar definitions), which include elements like rapid elasticity, user self-service, broad network access and measured service: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf Cheers Ken From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 5:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Yes, DR. Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If could get the liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the download from there -- my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours. I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, kind of goes along with my spare server conversation a couple weeks ago. Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the not covered from that angle twinge. From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
RE: Backup to cloud?
This is where the term the cloud becomes murky, in my opinion. If I'm sending data over a private circuit to a 3rd party data center, is that really the cloud? Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. [cid:image002.jpg@01CE0AAC.558F9950] From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? We fall under some of those and we do off site backups. We use Iron Mountain. If we need to under contract thy will overnight physical media to us. We have terra bytes of data we do this with. Fortunately it's not my group that handles it as it's not something that interests me overly much. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: There are currently no regulatory concerns, insofar as I have never been asked by them to make them compliant for anything. I will ask to make sure, however. Dave From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Have you thought about the confidentiality aspects of putting your data in the cloud, especially if its under regulatory compliance ( PCI, HIPAA, Sox) if you haven't you might be getting yourself in a lot of hot water. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [cid:image003.jpg@01CE0AAC.558F9950] From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for situations like this. (Called Direct Connect?). Not too familiar with it. I think connections as fast as 10Gbps. You could design your DR strategy around a data center supporting this. Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives. There are also some solutions that allow you to 'spin-up' your backups at the cloud location on a VM. (Check out Unitrends. Veem?). Then, you don't have to download the backups. I put all my 'cloud' backups into the same remote data center I would restore to in a disaster. And some of that even gets backed up to the 'real' cloud (Amazon S3). From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to download. The send me it on a USB drive option that Ben mentioned is my DR choice :-) On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.commailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana
Re: Backup to cloud?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Guyer, Don dgu...@che.org wrote: This is where the term “the cloud” becomes murky, in my opinion. If I’m sending data over a private circuit to a 3rd party data center, is that really “the cloud”? If you ask the marketing department, Yes. If you ask the engineering department, No. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Actually I don't care what they call it as long as the specific service is defined. I care that I get to use it instead of the old solution so if they want to call it a 'Company cloud service' then I will call it 'Company cloud service'. This back and forth stuff saying 'marketing is evil' or 'we need the committee to decide on agreed terms' is a time suck that is unimportant and get's in the way of getting things done. So as long as I can use the right term to use that gets the guy to write the check for it GO TEAM! Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Guyer, Don dgu...@che.org wrote: This is where the term “the cloud” becomes murky, in my opinion. If I’m sending data over a private circuit to a 3rd party data center, is that really “the cloud”? If you ask the marketing department, Yes. If you ask the engineering department, No. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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There's the private Cloud, which is your own data center, and the public Cloud which is someone else's data center, and then hybrid Cloud which is a mixture of both. Well, and then there's the Adobe Cloud. http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2013/02/14/adobe-ceo-makes-you-hate-adobe-a nd-the-cloud-even-more/ From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? The Cloud is nothing more than someone else's data center. So yes, that is The Cloud. Thanks Webster From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? This is where the term the cloud becomes murky, in my opinion. If I'm sending data over a private circuit to a 3rd party data center, is that really the cloud? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup to cloud?
As Ken pointed out, certain governmental organizations have begun defining exactly what a cloud means to them. The US government now adheres to a specific definition of a cloud. At least, there is a proposed specific definition. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? The Cloud is nothing more than someone else's data center. So yes, that is The Cloud. Thanks Webster From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? This is where the term the cloud becomes murky, in my opinion. If I'm sending data over a private circuit to a 3rd party data center, is that really the cloud? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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No - I disagree. Whilst, in IT, there is much marketing BS from vendors wanting to sell you stuff, the core cloud definitions are pretty well settled IMHO. Most people use a variation of what NIST has published: Features: * Perception of infinite capacity, with rapid elasticity (as far as the user is concerned the capacity is available on-demand) * Ability for user to perform self-service provisioning/deprovisioning (no need to involve the vendor) * Broad network access: access via widely accepted protocols (like web services) thus accessible on a variety of devices and thick/thin client models * Resource Pooling: multiple end users may be mixed together and spread across the available physical resources and fault domains * Measured service: automated monitoring and capacity management (e.g. dynamic provisioning and resource usage levelling). Also provides transparent resource (and thus cost) accounting to the end user Types: * IAAS (you get some compute, storage etc.), * PAAS (you get a platform, like SQL Server) or * SAAS (you get to use an application e.g. like SalesForce) Location: * Private (your DC), * Public (someone else's DC) and * Hybrid (in your DC, but you can expand or burst into someone else's) Just uploading some data to a DC is definitely not cloud. Most outsourcers and vendors struggle with implementing all the features unless they are building from the ground up. To build a pure cloud (and I've worked on a couple of large private ones) involves a lot of work to build the systems that automate everything, because there's a lot of stuff (provisioning, incident management) that's usually made up on the fly in most places. And you can't automate rules that don't exist. Cheers Ken From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 4:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? The Cloud is nothing more than someone else's data center. So yes, that is The Cloud. Thanks Webster From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? This is where the term the cloud becomes murky, in my opinion. If I'm sending data over a private circuit to a 3rd party data center, is that really the cloud? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Maybe you know a different group of 'most people' then I do. While I like your definition and wish it was more in use by 'most people' the only people that count are the ones that cut checks near you. I am all for agreed upon definitions and I have seen movement among some marketers to infer this feature set, there are a wealth of other service organizations and other companies that sell their variation labeled as 'cloud' and we're not going to settle on a given definition for general usage quite yet as we don't control their marketers. Once you get into a 'purchase' or 'contract' phase of a given discussion then of course you can insist on adhering to a more specific definition. AS long as the technical specifics are defined in a given discussion with a vender, support organization, etc. then the 'marketing words' don't really matter. i.e. I could argue over the definition of the word 'cloud services' for an hour or I could use the hour meeting to ensure that the specifics of someone's offering are spelled out and appropriate to my organizations needs. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No – I disagree. Whilst, in IT, there is much marketing BS from vendors wanting to sell you stuff, the core cloud definitions are pretty well settled IMHO. Most people use a variation of what NIST has published: ** ** *Features:* **· **Perception of infinite capacity, with rapid elasticity (as far as the user is concerned the capacity is available on-demand)** **· **Ability for user to perform self-service provisioning/deprovisioning (no need to involve the vendor)** **· **Broad network access: access via widely accepted protocols (like web services) thus accessible on a variety of devices and thick/thin client models** **· **Resource Pooling: multiple end users may be mixed together and spread across the available physical resources and fault domains** **· **Measured service: automated monitoring and capacity management (e.g. dynamic provisioning and resource usage levelling). Also provides transparent resource (and thus cost) accounting to the end user** * * *Types:* **· **IAAS (you get some compute, storage etc.), **· **PAAS (you get a platform, like SQL Server) or **· **SAAS (you get to use an application e.g. like SalesForce)*** * ** ** *Location:* **· **Private (your DC), **· **Public (someone else’s DC) and **· **Hybrid (in your DC, but you can expand or burst into someone else’s) * * Just uploading some data to a DC is *definitely not cloud.* Most outsourcers and vendors struggle with implementing all the features unless they are building from the ground up. To build a pure cloud (and I’ve worked on a couple of large private ones) involves a lot of work to build the systems that automate everything, because there’s a lot of stuff (provisioning, incident management) that’s usually made up “on the fly” in most places. And you can’t automate rules that don’t exist.** ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Friday, 15 February 2013 4:41 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Backup to cloud? ** ** “The Cloud” is nothing more than someone else’s data center. So yes, that is The Cloud. ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Webster ** ** *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org dgu...@che.org] *Subject:* RE: Backup to cloud? ** ** This is where the term “the cloud” becomes murky, in my opinion. If I’m sending data over a private circuit to a 3rd party data center, is that really “the cloud”? ** ** ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup to cloud?
Marketers will always hang their product on the 'latest' cool thing - that's the same in all markets, not just IT. What matters is how much is absorbed at face value by decision makers. We may be in different markets, or exposed to different people. But the architects and CIO/CTO type people that I've met all have (at least) a reasonably good idea of what cloud means, because they've all been looking at it for years. I wouldn't expect home users/consumers to use this definition, nor would I expect small business too either (my guess is that they don't have anyone who's dedicated to IT, and particularly IT strategy). But if you're a larger org, and you're looking to buy a cloud for something, then everything that comes out of HP, Oracle, SAP, DiData etc. tends to overlap with a framework like the NIST one. What they tend to do is oversell their capabilities/ability to execute, rather than completely mislabel something. Cheers Ken From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 10:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? Maybe you know a different group of 'most people' then I do. While I like your definition and wish it was more in use by 'most people' the only people that count are the ones that cut checks near you. I am all for agreed upon definitions and I have seen movement among some marketers to infer this feature set, there are a wealth of other service organizations and other companies that sell their variation labeled as 'cloud' and we're not going to settle on a given definition for general usage quite yet as we don't control their marketers. Once you get into a 'purchase' or 'contract' phase of a given discussion then of course you can insist on adhering to a more specific definition. AS long as the technical specifics are defined in a given discussion with a vender, support organization, etc. then the 'marketing words' don't really matter. i.e. I could argue over the definition of the word 'cloud services' for an hour or I could use the hour meeting to ensure that the specifics of someone's offering are spelled out and appropriate to my organizations needs. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No - I disagree. Whilst, in IT, there is much marketing BS from vendors wanting to sell you stuff, the core cloud definitions are pretty well settled IMHO. Most people use a variation of what NIST has published: Features: * Perception of infinite capacity, with rapid elasticity (as far as the user is concerned the capacity is available on-demand) * Ability for user to perform self-service provisioning/deprovisioning (no need to involve the vendor) * Broad network access: access via widely accepted protocols (like web services) thus accessible on a variety of devices and thick/thin client models * Resource Pooling: multiple end users may be mixed together and spread across the available physical resources and fault domains * Measured service: automated monitoring and capacity management (e.g. dynamic provisioning and resource usage levelling). Also provides transparent resource (and thus cost) accounting to the end user Types: * IAAS (you get some compute, storage etc.), * PAAS (you get a platform, like SQL Server) or * SAAS (you get to use an application e.g. like SalesForce) Location: * Private (your DC), * Public (someone else's DC) and * Hybrid (in your DC, but you can expand or burst into someone else's) Just uploading some data to a DC is definitely not cloud. Most outsourcers and vendors struggle with implementing all the features unless they are building from the ground up. To build a pure cloud (and I've worked on a couple of large private ones) involves a lot of work to build the systems that automate everything, because there's a lot of stuff (provisioning, incident management) that's usually made up on the fly in most places. And you can't automate rules that don't exist. Cheers Ken From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 4:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? The Cloud is nothing more than someone else's data center. So yes, that is The Cloud. Thanks Webster From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? This is where the term the cloud becomes murky, in my opinion. If I'm sending data over a private circuit to a 3rd party data center, is that really the cloud? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana
RE: Backup to cloud?
I'm not really familiar with SkyDrive and GoogleDrive - they're more targeted at consumers right? What about the corporate offerings? Can you just get more and more storage as required? For Amazon EC2 - the scalability is in the number of machines you can buy, not in the configuration of each individual machine. Whilst there must be some finite limit to the total number of server instances that Amazon could provision at a given time, as far as an individual purchaser is concerned, there isn't only 8 RU of rack space left, so you could put in 8 1U servers, or we only have cooling for XYZ more watt/hours, or we only have 10 more vCPUs we can commit'. Instead, the data centre doesn't have a defined limit as far as the customer is concerned, and you can buy 1, 5 or 10 more servers without the need to evaluate against typical DC constraints. Now, much spare capacity (cloud design patterns call for reserve fault domains - i.e. extra capacity to cater for growth) is a capacity management issue. It's always possible that someone turns up and says I want to buy 1,000,000,000 server instances, but it's probably very unlikely. Based on what Amazon sees today, plus what they expect in the future, they pre-provision extra, spare, reserve capacity, so that customers can keep buying more capacity on-demand I think that's what's meant by perception of infinite capacity. I think Tom Shinder's now working at MS as one of their cloud architects. If he's still on the list, he could chime in, as Microsoft's follows that design pattern. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 12:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? While I agree and support the NIST cloud definitions, I have to conclude that except for some private cloud configurations, no one is actually selling Perception of infinite capacity, today -- and maybe not for a while, either. Amazon EC2 is definitely cloud computing, but there are limits on how much computing you can get without instantiating a new server instance. DropBox is cloud storage, but the limit of space is not that fluid -- same for SkyDrive, GoogleDrive, Box.com, etc. What the cloud provides today in reality, is self-service and major flexibility for expansion or reduction, as desired. The other definitions are legit, but there are no complete implementations of them out there today. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No - I disagree. Whilst, in IT, there is much marketing BS from vendors wanting to sell you stuff, the core cloud definitions are pretty well settled IMHO. Most people use a variation of what NIST has published: Features: * Perception of infinite capacity, with rapid elasticity (as far as the user is concerned the capacity is available on-demand) * Ability for user to perform self-service provisioning/deprovisioning (no need to involve the vendor) * Broad network access: access via widely accepted protocols (like web services) thus accessible on a variety of devices and thick/thin client models * Resource Pooling: multiple end users may be mixed together and spread across the available physical resources and fault domains * Measured service: automated monitoring and capacity management (e.g. dynamic provisioning and resource usage levelling). Also provides transparent resource (and thus cost) accounting to the end user Types: * IAAS (you get some compute, storage etc.), * PAAS (you get a platform, like SQL Server) or * SAAS (you get to use an application e.g. like SalesForce) Location: * Private (your DC), * Public (someone else's DC) and * Hybrid (in your DC, but you can expand or burst into someone else's) Just uploading some data to a DC is definitely not cloud. Most outsourcers and vendors struggle with implementing all the features unless they are building from the ground up. To build a pure cloud (and I've worked on a couple of large private ones) involves a lot of work to build the systems that automate everything, because there's a lot of stuff (provisioning, incident management) that's usually made up on the fly in most places. And you can't automate rules that don't exist. Cheers Ken From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 4:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? The Cloud is nothing more than someone else's data center. So yes, that is The Cloud. Thanks Webster From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? This is where the term the cloud becomes murky, in my opinion. If I'm sending data over
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*I think that’s what’s meant by “perception of infinite capacity”.* Fair enough, Ken. *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’m not really familiar with SkyDrive and GoogleDrive – they’re more targeted at consumers right? What about the corporate offerings? Can you just get more and more storage as required? ** ** For Amazon EC2 – the scalability is in the number of machines you can buy, not in the configuration of each individual machine. Whilst there must be some finite limit to the total number of server instances that Amazon could provision at a given time, as far as an individual purchaser is concerned, there isn’t “only 8 RU of rack space left, so you could put in 8 1U servers”, or “we only have cooling for XYZ more watt/hours”, or “we only have 10 more vCPUs we can commit’. Instead, the data centre doesn’t have a defined limit as far as the customer is concerned, and you can buy 1, 5 or 10 more servers without the need to evaluate against typical DC constraints. Now, much spare capacity (cloud design patterns call for “reserve” fault domains – i.e. extra capacity to cater for growth) is a capacity management issue. It’s always possible that someone turns up and says “I want to buy 1,000,000,000 server instances”, but it’s probably very unlikely. Based on what Amazon sees today, plus what they expect in the future, they pre-provision extra, spare, reserve capacity, so that customers can keep buying more capacity “on-demand” ** ** I think that’s what’s meant by “perception of infinite capacity”. ** ** I think Tom Shinder’s now working at MS as one of their cloud architects. If he’s still on the list, he could chime in, as Microsoft’s follows that design pattern. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, 15 February 2013 12:24 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup to cloud? ** ** While I agree and support the NIST cloud definitions, I have to conclude that except for some private cloud configurations, no one is actually selling Perception of infinite capacity, today -- and maybe not for a while, either. ** ** Amazon EC2 is definitely cloud computing, but there are limits on how much computing you can get without instantiating a new server instance. DropBox is cloud storage, but the limit of space is not that fluid -- same for SkyDrive, GoogleDrive, Box.com, etc. ** ** What the cloud provides today in reality, is self-service and major flexibility for expansion or reduction, as desired. ** ** The other definitions are legit, but there are no complete implementations of them out there today. *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…* ** ** On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No – I disagree. Whilst, in IT, there is much marketing BS from vendors wanting to sell you stuff, the core cloud definitions are pretty well settled IMHO. Most people use a variation of what NIST has published: *Features:* · Perception of infinite capacity, with rapid elasticity (as far as the user is concerned the capacity is available on-demand) · Ability for user to perform self-service provisioning/deprovisioning (no need to involve the vendor) · Broad network access: access via widely accepted protocols (like web services) thus accessible on a variety of devices and thick/thin client models · Resource Pooling: multiple end users may be mixed together and spread across the available physical resources and fault domains · Measured service: automated monitoring and capacity management (e.g. dynamic provisioning and resource usage levelling). Also provides transparent resource (and thus cost) accounting to the end user * * *Types:* · IAAS (you get some compute, storage etc.), · PAAS (you get a platform, like SQL Server) or · SAAS (you get to use an application e.g. like SalesForce) *Location:* · Private (your DC), · Public (someone else’s DC) and · Hybrid (in your DC, but you can expand or burst into someone else’s) * * Just uploading some data to a DC is *definitely not cloud.* Most outsourcers and vendors struggle with implementing all the features unless they are building from the ground up. To build a pure cloud (and I’ve worked on a couple of large private ones) involves a lot of work to build the systems
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That's the dirty little secret of cloud backups - restore windows can be ENORMOUS, especially if the client is sitting behind a 3x1 Internet connection. Some cloud services will (for an extra fee) overnight a DVD of your data to you in case you need to do a full restore. Still... As for liabilities - I'd probably consult with your lawyers (not the client) to see what they think. I'd guess you'd need to have a pretty solid contract with them laying out what you are, and aren't responsible for along with SLAs. Then you'll want a good professional liability insurance policy to cover you for those things you are responsible for. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.comhttp://www.rolandschorr.com/ / www.officeforlawyers.comhttp://www.officeforlawyers.com/ / www.onenote-tips.comhttp://www.onenote-tips.com/ Member: American Bar Association - 01473703 Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2010: http://goo.gl.HWqKc Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Word 2010: http://tinyurl.com/abaword2010 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places. David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Yep, I am considering backup to the cloud after a backup to disk locally just for disaster recovery sakethen the time doesn't matter as much. I'd still consider a mail recovery site though like postini or something to keep mail going in case of tornado or fire. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? ** ** ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup to cloud? ** ** Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… *David Lum* Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to download. The send me it on a USB drive option that Ben mentioned is my DR choice :-) On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? ** ** ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup to cloud? ** ** Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… *David Lum* Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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System Center DPM can backup to Windows Azure in realtime. Veeam has a good cloud backup, too. From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? Yep, I am considering backup to the cloud after a backup to disk locally just for disaster recovery sakethen the time doesn't matter as much. I'd still consider a mail recovery site though like postini or something to keep mail going in case of tornado or fire. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places. David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for situations like this. (Called Direct Connect?). Not too familiar with it. I think connections as fast as 10Gbps. You could design your DR strategy around a data center supporting this. Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives. There are also some solutions that allow you to 'spin-up' your backups at the cloud location on a VM. (Check out Unitrends. Veem?). Then, you don't have to download the backups. I put all my 'cloud' backups into the same remote data center I would restore to in a disaster. And some of that even gets backed up to the 'real' cloud (Amazon S3). From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to download. The send me it on a USB drive option that Ben mentioned is my DR choice :-) On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places. David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Someone once said something I now say: I don't care about backups. I care about restores. Of course, that includes time to restore, as well as integrity of restore. AFAICT, backups to the cloud, absent a local copy, aren't worth a whole bunch, if my 7tb file server falls over. Kurt On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Ben M. Schorr b...@rolandschorr.com wrote: That’s the dirty little secret of cloud backups – restore windows can be ENORMOUS, especially if the client is sitting behind a 3x1 Internet connection. Some cloud services will (for an extra fee) overnight a DVD of your data to you in case you need to do a full restore. Still… As for liabilities – I’d probably consult with your lawyers (not the client) to see what they think. I’d guess you’d need to have a pretty solid contract with them laying out what you are, and aren’t responsible for along with SLAs. Then you’ll want a good professional liability insurance policy to cover you for those things you are responsible for. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com / www.officeforlawyers.com / www.onenote-tips.com Member: American Bar Association - 01473703 Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2010: http://goo.gl.HWqKc Author: The Lawyer’s Guide to Microsoft Word 2010: http://tinyurl.com/abaword2010 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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One critical part to keep in mind is also the build time for the restores. Even though the DVDs or external hard drive will be shipped overnight, doesn't mean the files will be ready any time soon. A little over a year ago I did a restore for a client who had a failed server, and their onsite backups were no good (I was not involved with those at all). The restore was about 200GB and it took about 6 days before the backups were ready and shipped out. The failure occurred on a Thursday and they were not back up and working until the following Friday, so they had 8 days of downtime. Thanks, Sean Houston Systems Administrator On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Sam Cayze sca...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for situations like this. (Called Direct Connect?). Not too familiar with it. I think connections as fast as 10Gbps. You could design your DR strategy around a data center supporting this. ** ** Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives. ** ** There are also some solutions that allow you to ‘spin-up’ your backups at the cloud location on a VM. (Check out Unitrends. Veem?). Then, you don’t have to download the backups. ** ** I put all my ‘cloud’ backups into the same remote data center I would restore to in a disaster. And some of that even gets backed up to the ‘real’ cloud (Amazon S3). ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Backup to cloud? ** ** I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to download. The send me it on a USB drive option that Ben mentioned is my DR choice :-) ** ** On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… *David Lum* Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Yes, DR. Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If could get the liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the download from there -- my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours. I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, kind of goes along with my spare server conversation a couple weeks ago. Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the not covered from that angle twinge. From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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+1. It's the Recovery Time Objective (RTO) here that concerns me. Here's a thought, maybe I should ask the client what's tolerable. Why I didn’t think of that first... Dave -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? Someone once said something I now say: I don't care about backups. I care about restores. Of course, that includes time to restore, as well as integrity of restore. AFAICT, backups to the cloud, absent a local copy, aren't worth a whole bunch, if my 7tb file server falls over. Kurt On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Ben M. Schorr b...@rolandschorr.com wrote: That’s the dirty little secret of cloud backups – restore windows can be ENORMOUS, especially if the client is sitting behind a 3x1 Internet connection. Some cloud services will (for an extra fee) overnight a DVD of your data to you in case you need to do a full restore. Still… As for liabilities – I’d probably consult with your lawyers (not the client) to see what they think. I’d guess you’d need to have a pretty solid contract with them laying out what you are, and aren’t responsible for along with SLAs. Then you’ll want a good professional liability insurance policy to cover you for those things you are responsible for. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com / www.officeforlawyers.com / www.onenote-tips.com Member: American Bar Association - 01473703 Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2010: http://goo.gl.HWqKc Author: The Lawyer’s Guide to Microsoft Word 2010: http://tinyurl.com/abaword2010 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup to cloud?
Have you thought about the confidentiality aspects of putting your data in the cloud, especially if its under regulatory compliance ( PCI, HIPAA, Sox) if you haven't you might be getting yourself in a lot of hot water. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for situations like this. (Called Direct Connect?). Not too familiar with it. I think connections as fast as 10Gbps. You could design your DR strategy around a data center supporting this. Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives. There are also some solutions that allow you to 'spin-up' your backups at the cloud location on a VM. (Check out Unitrends. Veem?). Then, you don't have to download the backups. I put all my 'cloud' backups into the same remote data center I would restore to in a disaster. And some of that even gets backed up to the 'real' cloud (Amazon S3). From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to download. The send me it on a USB drive option that Ben mentioned is my DR choice :-) On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.commailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
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You might consider where they live as well. A large scale problem where several companies are trying to get at their data? I remember running into that after loma prieta. The DR Company didn't have room to handle all the companies. Granted that was pre-cloud days but are they up to handling several at once? -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? +1. It's the Recovery Time Objective (RTO) here that concerns me. Here's a thought, maybe I should ask the client what's tolerable. Why I didn’t think of that first... Dave -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? Someone once said something I now say: I don't care about backups. I care about restores. Of course, that includes time to restore, as well as integrity of restore. AFAICT, backups to the cloud, absent a local copy, aren't worth a whole bunch, if my 7tb file server falls over. Kurt On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Ben M. Schorr b...@rolandschorr.com wrote: That’s the dirty little secret of cloud backups – restore windows can be ENORMOUS, especially if the client is sitting behind a 3x1 Internet connection. Some cloud services will (for an extra fee) overnight a DVD of your data to you in case you need to do a full restore. Still… As for liabilities – I’d probably consult with your lawyers (not the client) to see what they think. I’d guess you’d need to have a pretty solid contract with them laying out what you are, and aren’t responsible for along with SLAs. Then you’ll want a good professional liability insurance policy to cover you for those things you are responsible for. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com / www.officeforlawyers.com / www.onenote-tips.com Member: American Bar Association - 01473703 Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2010: http://goo.gl.HWqKc Author: The Lawyer’s Guide to Microsoft Word 2010: http://tinyurl.com/abaword2010 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup to cloud?
There are currently no regulatory concerns, insofar as I have never been asked by them to make them compliant for anything. I will ask to make sure, however. Dave From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Have you thought about the confidentiality aspects of putting your data in the cloud, especially if its under regulatory compliance ( PCI, HIPAA, Sox) if you haven't you might be getting yourself in a lot of hot water. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for situations like this. (Called Direct Connect?). Not too familiar with it. I think connections as fast as 10Gbps. You could design your DR strategy around a data center supporting this. Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives. There are also some solutions that allow you to 'spin-up' your backups at the cloud location on a VM. (Check out Unitrends. Veem?). Then, you don't have to download the backups. I put all my 'cloud' backups into the same remote data center I would restore to in a disaster. And some of that even gets backed up to the 'real' cloud (Amazon S3). From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to download. The send me it on a USB drive option that Ben mentioned is my DR choice :-) On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.commailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
Re: Backup to cloud?
I associated with a cloud backup provider that I've just started working with (in that capacity), and everything is encrypted on the client end before being shipped across the wire. *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, I am considering backup to the cloud after a backup to disk locally just for disaster recovery sakethen the time doesn't matter as much. I'd still consider a mail recovery site though like postini or something to keep mail going in case of tornado or fire. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.comwrote: Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? ** ** ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Backup to cloud? ** ** Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… *David Lum* Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup to cloud?
Let's not get carried away with calling this proposal 'cloud backup'. IMHO you're offering offsite backup. For something to be cloud you should look at NIST (or similar definitions), which include elements like rapid elasticity, user self-service, broad network access and measured service: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf Cheers Ken From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 5:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Yes, DR. Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If could get the liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the download from there -- my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours. I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, kind of goes along with my spare server conversation a couple weeks ago. Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the not covered from that angle twinge. From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? Why would retrieval take that long? Are you talking more about disaster recovery? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup to cloud? Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places... David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Let’s not get carried away with calling this proposal ‘cloud backup’. Why not? Everyone else is. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Let’s not get carried away with calling this proposal ‘cloud backup’. Why not? Everyone else is. -- Ben LOL If all your friends jumped off a cliff... OB xkcd : http://xkcd.com/1170/ Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
