Re: MAC AV
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote: It's splitting hairs, but a Word macro virus is not a Mac virus. Splitting hairs, indeed. It's a virus, and it's active on a Mac computer. Regardless of the mechanics of the infection, it's still malware propagation, and that's what matters. Macro vs native code is irrelevant. The fact remains that one cannot ignore malware on the Mac platform, anymore than one can ignore the need for backups or UPSes or any number of other things that one needs to maintain one's IT solution. Arguing that it's a macro virus and thus doesn't count, or that it's a trojan and not a virus and thus doesn't count, is far more disingenuous than suggesting the Windows and Mac threat environments are equivalent. You're trying to suggest the problem isn't a problem. That's totally bogus, and dangerous for anyone who believes you, as various anecdotes in this thread have demonstrated. However, with a little bit of common sense, you can pretty much use a Mac and not have to worry about it. Of course, the same applies to 'doze. Don't run as admin. Keep patches up to date. Don't install software you don't trust. Maintain an up-to-date anti-virus product -- and since you're apparently hung up on semantics, be aware that anti-virus products defend against all sorts of malware, not just viruses. It's a sad fact that most 'doze computers aren't run this way. However, I'm not aware of anything that means Macs *must* be kept patched, or that one *cannot* install untrustworthy software. Certainly, there are more individual malware programs out there targeting 'doze than Mac, by far. That's largely a result of market share. Attackers go after the platform that offers the most targets. Most malware these days propagates largely through exploitation of user stupidity, and there's no platform that can defend against that. One could argue that Mac OS X is more typically operated with a better overall security stance, since most 'doze users still run with admin rights all the time, and a lot of software (including Microsoft's!) expects admin rights, while Mac OS X has been using enforcing a better privilege model from day one. However, I honestly don't see that as making much of a difference. Again, the biggest propagation vector is user stupidity. If the user can be counted on to dutifully enter their password when prompted to install the malware -- and most can -- there's not really much *any* platform can do about it. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: MAC AV
When the person telling you Mac's don't get virii and he is the one holding the purse strings I don't argue a whole lot. We have to keep a person on staff just to get his documents/presentations/worksheets converted to something the Windows users can work with. I dislike the situation but I do what I can. All the Windows systems he can talk to have AV the rest he can't talk to period. I am working on killing the last open share in the network which will cause a big enough fight with him to argue about his machine having AV or not just is not in the cards. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Blackman, Woody wblack...@occ.cccd.eduwrote: Do your macintosh users not share files and emails with your PC users? soapbox mode engaged I have been supporting a multi-platform environment for 15+ years. We have been running AV on our Macs for the last 10. Not only do Macs get exposed to viruses that they can be infected with, they are carriers for PC viruses. IMO it is irresponsible to have them on your internal network and not protected. Defense in depth - social responsibility.soapbox mode disengaged SOPHOS is a great multi-platform product that is managed on Windows servers. Small client footprint and easy to manage from an enterprise perspective. http://www.sophos.com http://www.sophos.com/ From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 7:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: MAC AV
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. I had a client once who was an all Mac shop for a while. They believed that. We were hired to install a Windows server and some Windows desktops for stuff what was 'doze only. We, of course, installed a managed anti-virus solution. It was rather interesting to watch the Windows anti-virus quarantine every pre-existing Word document they tried to open, as every single last one was infected with a Word macro virus. But Mac's don't get viruses. They blamed the PCs. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: MAC AV
It's splitting hairs, but a Word macro virus is not a Mac virus. There were a handful of Mac virii back in the pre-OS X days, but they were all handled rather readily by the free Disinfectant. There have been sporadic claims of a virii that affect Mac OS X since it came out, but once you dug down into the details what you find is that they were more accurately classified as trojans. Sticking to the strict definition of a virus, I am fairly certain that there are no confirmed ones on Mac OS X (AV vendors sales tactics notwithstanding). That isn't to say that they aren't possible or that there aren't some clever folks that haven't been discovered, of course. There are vulnerabilities, as there are with any system, and I am certainly not saying that you have no need to ever be concerned if you have a Mac. However, when you compare the number of virii and other types of malware that affect Windows versus those that affect Mac OS X, it is a drop in the ocean. And as for the macro virus situation, I would point out that most of Word macro virii exposed other issues on Windows or targeted specific Windows files and were a non-issue if executed on a Mac. Nonetheless, there are a couple of solutions. My preferred solution is not use Microsoft Office at all (it is not standard on a Mac and ridiculously expensive). You can also use the free ClamAV, as I indicated before. I understand that this is a Windows administration list, and that is my job as well. But every time someone asks something about supporting a Mac, there is a lot of FUD thrown around. On this particular topic, yes it is true that there is a small amount of malware that can affect Macs. However, with a little bit of common sense, you can pretty much use a Mac and not have to worry about it. That may not be true a week or a month from now, but it is disingenous to suggest that there is some equivalency in the threats against Windows and Mac OS X. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. I had a client once who was an all Mac shop for a while. They believed that. We were hired to install a Windows server and some Windows desktops for stuff what was 'doze only. We, of course, installed a managed anti-virus solution. It was rather interesting to watch the Windows anti-virus quarantine every pre-existing Word document they tried to open, as every single last one was infected with a Word macro virus. But Mac's don't get viruses. They blamed the PCs. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: MAC AV
There is no equivalency, that's true, but that doesn't mean that we can ignore the issue either. It's not a pass/fail proposition. For my client the issue wasn't necessarily that the macro viruses affected the Macs themselves, but rather that the macro viruses impacted the company. There was a tremendous amount of embarrassment when they e-mailed a document to a client only to have the client contact them to say that the document was infected. And as for not using Office...since pretty much all of their clients ran Microsoft Office (on PCs) that wasn't really a decision they got to make. Your mileage may vary, of course. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com b...@rolandschorr.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bschorr -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MAC AV It's splitting hairs, but a Word macro virus is not a Mac virus. There were a handful of Mac virii back in the pre-OS X days, but they were all handled rather readily by the free Disinfectant. There have been sporadic claims of a virii that affect Mac OS X since it came out, but once you dug down into the details what you find is that they were more accurately classified as trojans. Sticking to the strict definition of a virus, I am fairly certain that there are no confirmed ones on Mac OS X (AV vendors sales tactics notwithstanding). That isn't to say that they aren't possible or that there aren't some clever folks that haven't been discovered, of course. There are vulnerabilities, as there are with any system, and I am certainly not saying that you have no need to ever be concerned if you have a Mac. However, when you compare the number of virii and other types of malware that affect Windows versus those that affect Mac OS X, it is a drop in the ocean. And as for the macro virus situation, I would point out that most of Word macro virii exposed other issues on Windows or targeted specific Windows files and were a non-issue if executed on a Mac. Nonetheless, there are a couple of solutions. My preferred solution is not use Microsoft Office at all (it is not standard on a Mac and ridiculously expensive). You can also use the free ClamAV, as I indicated before. I understand that this is a Windows administration list, and that is my job as well. But every time someone asks something about supporting a Mac, there is a lot of FUD thrown around. On this particular topic, yes it is true that there is a small amount of malware that can affect Macs. However, with a little bit of common sense, you can pretty much use a Mac and not have to worry about it. That may not be true a week or a month from now, but it is disingenous to suggest that there is some equivalency in the threats against Windows and Mac OS X. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. I had a client once who was an all Mac shop for a while. They believed that. We were hired to install a Windows server and some Windows desktops for stuff what was 'doze only. We, of course, installed a managed anti-virus solution. It was rather interesting to watch the Windows anti-virus quarantine every pre-existing Word document they tried to open, as every single last one was infected with a Word macro virus. But Mac's don't get viruses. They blamed the PCs. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: MAC AV
Never say never..back in the early 90's I was taking a class at our local junior college via modem. At the intro session, someone raised the question when told that we would be sharing documents about the possibility of getting a virus. The instructor informed him and the rest of the class that Word documents couldn't get viruses. Within a week of that session, the news hit about the first ever Word macro virus infecting Word documents. I emailed him the article about it, but he never responded..moral of the story, never ever say that XX OS or XX platform cannot be infected by a virus/malware/trojan. Eventually someone will take up the challenge and prove you wrong. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote: It's splitting hairs, but a Word macro virus is not a Mac virus. There were a handful of Mac virii back in the pre-OS X days, but they were all handled rather readily by the free Disinfectant. There have been sporadic claims of a virii that affect Mac OS X since it came out, but once you dug down into the details what you find is that they were more accurately classified as trojans. Sticking to the strict definition of a virus, I am fairly certain that there are no confirmed ones on Mac OS X (AV vendors sales tactics notwithstanding). That isn't to say that they aren't possible or that there aren't some clever folks that haven't been discovered, of course. There are vulnerabilities, as there are with any system, and I am certainly not saying that you have no need to ever be concerned if you have a Mac. However, when you compare the number of virii and other types of malware that affect Windows versus those that affect Mac OS X, it is a drop in the ocean. And as for the macro virus situation, I would point out that most of Word macro virii exposed other issues on Windows or targeted specific Windows files and were a non-issue if executed on a Mac. Nonetheless, there are a couple of solutions. My preferred solution is not use Microsoft Office at all (it is not standard on a Mac and ridiculously expensive). You can also use the free ClamAV, as I indicated before. I understand that this is a Windows administration list, and that is my job as well. But every time someone asks something about supporting a Mac, there is a lot of FUD thrown around. On this particular topic, yes it is true that there is a small amount of malware that can affect Macs. However, with a little bit of common sense, you can pretty much use a Mac and not have to worry about it. That may not be true a week or a month from now, but it is disingenous to suggest that there is some equivalency in the threats against Windows and Mac OS X. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. I had a client once who was an all Mac shop for a while. They believed that. We were hired to install a Windows server and some Windows desktops for stuff what was 'doze only. We, of course, installed a managed anti-virus solution. It was rather interesting to watch the Windows anti-virus quarantine every pre-existing Word document they tried to open, as every single last one was infected with a Word macro virus. But Mac's don't get viruses. They blamed the PCs. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: MAC AV
I went out of my way to say that I was not saying never. Today, Mac OS X is not an attractive target for bad guys and that has a lot to do with it. It is also true that Mac OS X is built on a pretty solid foundation (BSD Unix, which has been around a very long time) and has a security model that limits the ability of things to do damage. If you look at the road map, they are building even more things into the OS to try and make it more secure. Is it perfect? Certainly not, but it is pretty doggone safe out of the box TODAY. I am not trying to protract any kind of disagreement. I am not saying all you guys should switch over, and I am not saying you should not run any kind of AV protection on your company's Macs should you have them (again...ClamAV). I am just trying to interject some perspective from someone who has been using the Mac OS (classic and then OS X) for going on 20 years now and also happens have been administering a decent sized Windows network for well over a decade. I hope that some of the conversation has been a help to the OP. From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV Never say never..back in the early 90's I was taking a class at our local junior college via modem. At the intro session, someone raised the question when told that we would be sharing documents about the possibility of getting a virus. The instructor informed him and the rest of the class that Word documents couldn't get viruses. Within a week of that session, the news hit about the first ever Word macro virus infecting Word documents. I emailed him the article about it, but he never responded..moral of the story, never ever say that XX OS or XX platform cannot be infected by a virus/malware/trojan. Eventually someone will take up the challenge and prove you wrong. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote: It's splitting hairs, but a Word macro virus is not a Mac virus. There were a handful of Mac virii back in the pre-OS X days, but they were all handled rather readily by the free Disinfectant. There have been sporadic claims of a virii that affect Mac OS X since it came out, but once you dug down into the details what you find is that they were more accurately classified as trojans. Sticking to the strict definition of a virus, I am fairly certain that there are no confirmed ones on Mac OS X (AV vendors sales tactics notwithstanding). That isn't to say that they aren't possible or that there aren't some clever folks that haven't been discovered, of course. There are vulnerabilities, as there are with any system, and I am certainly not saying that you have no need to ever be concerned if you have a Mac. However, when you compare the number of virii and other types of malware that affect Windows versus those that affect Mac OS X, it is a drop in the ocean. And as for the macro virus situation, I would point out that most of Word macro virii exposed other issues on Windows or targeted specific Windows files and were a non-issue if executed on a Mac. Nonetheless, there are a couple of solutions. My preferred solution is not use Microsoft Office at all (it is not standard on a Mac and ridiculously expensive). You can also use the free ClamAV, as I indicated before. I understand that this is a Windows administration list, and that is my job as well. But every time someone asks something about supporting a Mac, there is a lot of FUD thrown around. On this particular topic, yes it is true that there is a small amount of malware that can affect Macs. However, with a little bit of common sense, you can pretty much use a Mac and not have to worry about it. That may not be true a week or a month from now, but it is disingenous to suggest that there is some equivalency in the threats against Windows and Mac OS X. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. I had a client once who was an all Mac shop for a while. They believed that. We were hired to install a Windows server and some Windows desktops for stuff what was 'doze only. We, of course, installed a managed anti-virus solution. It was rather interesting to watch the Windows anti-virus quarantine every pre-existing Word document they tried to open, as every single last one was infected with a Word macro virus. But Mac's don't get viruses. They blamed the PCs. -- Ben
Re: MAC AV
However, when you compare the number of virii and other types of malware that affect Windows versus those that affect Mac OS X, it is a drop in the ocean. but it is disingenous to suggest that there is some equivalency in the threats against Windows and Mac OS X. If you compare the marketshare held by PCs (89.6% in November 2008) vs. Mac OS (9.63% in December 2008), the equivalency may be more apparent. I'm not experienced enough with OS X to determine whether or not it is as vulnerable/more secure than Windows. However, it's hard to ignore the fact those folks with malicious intent or going to focus their efforts where the most harm can be done. - Sean On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote: It's splitting hairs, but a Word macro virus is not a Mac virus. There were a handful of Mac virii back in the pre-OS X days, but they were all handled rather readily by the free Disinfectant. There have been sporadic claims of a virii that affect Mac OS X since it came out, but once you dug down into the details what you find is that they were more accurately classified as trojans. Sticking to the strict definition of a virus, I am fairly certain that there are no confirmed ones on Mac OS X (AV vendors sales tactics notwithstanding). That isn't to say that they aren't possible or that there aren't some clever folks that haven't been discovered, of course. There are vulnerabilities, as there are with any system, and I am certainly not saying that you have no need to ever be concerned if you have a Mac. However, when you compare the number of virii and other types of malware that affect Windows versus those that affect Mac OS X, it is a drop in the ocean. And as for the macro virus situation, I would point out that most of Word macro virii exposed other issues on Windows or targeted specific Windows files and were a non-issue if executed on a Mac. Nonetheless, there are a couple of solutions. My preferred solution is not use Microsoft Office at all (it is not standard on a Mac and ridiculously expensive). You can also use the free ClamAV, as I indicated before. I understand that this is a Windows administration list, and that is my job as well. But every time someone asks something about supporting a Mac, there is a lot of FUD thrown around. On this particular topic, yes it is true that there is a small amount of malware that can affect Macs. However, with a little bit of common sense, you can pretty much use a Mac and not have to worry about it. That may not be true a week or a month from now, but it is disingenous to suggest that there is some equivalency in the threats against Windows and Mac OS X. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. I had a client once who was an all Mac shop for a while. They believed that. We were hired to install a Windows server and some Windows desktops for stuff what was 'doze only. We, of course, installed a managed anti-virus solution. It was rather interesting to watch the Windows anti-virus quarantine every pre-existing Word document they tried to open, as every single last one was infected with a Word macro virus. But Mac's don't get viruses. They blamed the PCs. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: MAC AV
Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: MAC AV
We don't have any Macs on our network here, but I do use a Mac personally. It is essentially true that there is no malware on the Mac. The stuff that does pop up is almost always a trojan, and the person has to explicitly have permitted it to run (Do you want to install this pirated copy of iWork? Sure!). I personally find it sufficient to run ClamAV and be done with it, but then again I don't go around on torrent sites trying to get pirated software. The major AV companies offer Mac versions of their software, but they primarily look for Windows virii (which the Mac can pass on via email or file copy, but not be affected by). Bill Mayo From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: MAC AV
+1 ClamAV at home. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote: We don't have any Macs on our network here, but I do use a Mac personally. It is essentially true that there is no malware on the Mac. The stuff that does pop up is almost always a trojan, and the person has to explicitly have permitted it to run (Do you want to install this pirated copy of iWork? Sure!). I personally find it sufficient to run ClamAV and be done with it, but then again I don't go around on torrent sites trying to get pirated software. The major AV companies offer Mac versions of their software, but they primarily look for Windows virii (which the Mac can pass on via email or file copy, but not be affected by). Bill Mayo -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2009 10:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: MAC AV Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: MAC AV
+2 ClamAV at our colo. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: +1 ClamAV at home. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.govwrote: We don't have any Macs on our network here, but I do use a Mac personally. It is essentially true that there is no malware on the Mac. The stuff that does pop up is almost always a trojan, and the person has to explicitly have permitted it to run (Do you want to install this pirated copy of iWork? Sure!). I personally find it sufficient to run ClamAV and be done with it, but then again I don't go around on torrent sites trying to get pirated software. The major AV companies offer Mac versions of their software, but they primarily look for Windows virii (which the Mac can pass on via email or file copy, but not be affected by). Bill Mayo -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2009 10:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: MAC AV Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill** -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: MAC AV
We use McAfee. Centrally managed by corporate office through epo. Used to be a very manual install, but the software can now be push installed and updated to Macs as well as Windows pcs. On 5/1/09, Sherry Abercrombie saber...@gmail.com wrote: +2 ClamAV at our colo. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: +1 ClamAV at home. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.govwrote: We don't have any Macs on our network here, but I do use a Mac personally. It is essentially true that there is no malware on the Mac. The stuff that does pop up is almost always a trojan, and the person has to explicitly have permitted it to run (Do you want to install this pirated copy of iWork? Sure!). I personally find it sufficient to run ClamAV and be done with it, but then again I don't go around on torrent sites trying to get pirated software. The major AV companies offer Mac versions of their software, but they primarily look for Windows virii (which the Mac can pass on via email or file copy, but not be affected by). Bill Mayo -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2009 10:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: MAC AV Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill** -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sent from my mobile device ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: MAC AV
Do your macintosh users not share files and emails with your PC users? soapbox mode engaged I have been supporting a multi-platform environment for 15+ years. We have been running AV on our Macs for the last 10. Not only do Macs get exposed to viruses that they can be infected with, they are carriers for PC viruses. IMO it is irresponsible to have them on your internal network and not protected. Defense in depth - social responsibility.soapbox mode disengaged SOPHOS is a great multi-platform product that is managed on Windows servers. Small client footprint and easy to manage from an enterprise perspective. http://www.sophos.com http://www.sophos.com/ From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 7:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: MAC AV
Trojans *are* malware. And, the first botnet for Macs has been activated: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/041709-first-mac-os-x-botnet.html On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 08:03, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote: We don't have any Macs on our network here, but I do use a Mac personally. It is essentially true that there is no malware on the Mac. The stuff that does pop up is almost always a trojan, and the person has to explicitly have permitted it to run (Do you want to install this pirated copy of iWork? Sure!). I personally find it sufficient to run ClamAV and be done with it, but then again I don't go around on torrent sites trying to get pirated software. The major AV companies offer Mac versions of their software, but they primarily look for Windows virii (which the Mac can pass on via email or file copy, but not be affected by). Bill Mayo From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: MAC AV
Essentially true. That was intended to mean that there is very little malware, and that is the case. With a little common sense, you can pretty much avoid it entirely. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV Trojans *are* malware. And, the first botnet for Macs has been activated: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/041709-first-mac-os-x-botnet.html On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 08:03, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote: We don't have any Macs on our network here, but I do use a Mac personally. It is essentially true that there is no malware on the Mac. The stuff that does pop up is almost always a trojan, and the person has to explicitly have permitted it to run (Do you want to install this pirated copy of iWork? Sure!). I personally find it sufficient to run ClamAV and be done with it, but then again I don't go around on torrent sites trying to get pirated software. The major AV companies offer Mac versions of their software, but they primarily look for Windows virii (which the Mac can pass on via email or file copy, but not be affected by). Bill Mayo From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MAC AV Haven't the Mac users in your network told you? Mac's don't get malware of any type. Seriously that was what I keep getting told, so we don't buy any malware protection for them, but I think Symantec, MacAffe., and others of the big names might have some. Jon On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Bill Songstad (WCUL) administra...@waleague.org wrote: Since there are a number of folks apparently running Macs in their networks, I was wondering what everybody is using to protect them from Malware. Are some products better, easier to manage smaller footprint than others? Thanks for any insight. Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
