RE: MATH

[gsweers]

I don't know about to stupid..One of the high school guys I work with in
the youth group here makes some chang on his pizza delivery gig, since
he brings his laptop into the pizza place, he wrote a script to export
the addresses from their system and import it into his GPS software.
Anything outside of a certain driving range he leaves for another
person.  Delivers all his pizza in less than 45 mins.  He also spends
less gas than all the other drivers..  19 year old works 15-20 hours a
week and pulls down about 600 bucks a week. That's like 30 to 40 bucks
an hour.  Manager lets him do as he wants since he is the most
profitable person hands down. 
I might be needing me a sidejob..

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MATH

This could be that with the influx of technology-related careers in
the past 10-20 years, smart people don't take $#!+ jobs anymore.

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RE: MATH

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Hopefully those of us from Texas can visit the same lists...

 



From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

 

 

Who's curtailing free speech? The film was turned down by some awards
committee. No one seems to have said "you can't make that film in the
first place"

 

But, I think this has gone on long enough. Let's keep the politics off
the list. Surely there must be other places/lists/forums you guys in the
UK can discuss this?

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2008 7:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MATH

 


In England you can't teach anything these days for fear of offending
Islam. See below

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm

It's pretty sad when free speech is curtailed. 

On 23/01/2008, Kim Longenbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really 
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton 

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH 

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel 
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why 
do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is

$80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math In 1990s 
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class 
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. )

6. Teaching Math In 2007 
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .




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Re: MATH

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

This could be that with the influx of technology-related careers in
the past 10-20 years, smart people don't take $#!+ jobs anymore.

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RE: MATH

[Carl Houseman]

I hardly ever get the deer in the headlights for adding extra change to
bills.  They just punch in the money collected into the cash register, it
tells them what the change is.  Who needs math any more?
 
Of course, there's the Subway restaurant where the cash register was broken
so they couldn't sell anything.  Umm, "you can collect my money now (I had
exact change), and punch it into the cash register later" was an
unimaginable concept!
 
Carl

  _  

From: Eric E Eskam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MATH


Heh - a few months back I counted the change to myself in reverse change
order, and the kid behind the counter expressed interest - so I showed him
how it worked (there was no one else behind me - heaven forbid I hold
someone up in line).  We did a few practice counts together and he picked it
up pretty quick.  I had to smile later when I left - he was practicing it
with another customer.  His buddy next to him never did pick up on it  :/

Now I just collect the change at home, and take it in every few months to my
credit union - they have a change counting machine in the lobby.  It's
easier then dealing with the deer in headlight looks when you try to reduce
the amount of change you get with cashiers... 

Eric Eskam
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Re: MATH

[Eric E Eskam]

"Steven Peck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/23/2008 07:01:17 PM:

> I got A's in math in school.  I learned over time how to do the math
> and reverse count change properly.  It is a learned skill and my
> manager taught it to me but I sure couldn't do it that first week.  I
> could not reverse count change properly until taught.  It was a dying
> skill when I was at this job 23 years ago, I imagine it's not really
> even taught at all in fast food joints anymore but is taught in other
> eating establishments.

Heh - a few months back I counted the change to myself in reverse change 
order, and the kid behind the counter expressed interest - so I showed him 
how it worked (there was no one else behind me - heaven forbid I hold 
someone up in line).  We did a few practice counts together and he picked 
it up pretty quick.  I had to smile later when I left - he was practicing 
it with another customer.  His buddy next to him never did pick up on it 
:/

Now I just collect the change at home, and take it in every few months to 
my credit union - they have a change counting machine in the lobby.  It's 
easier then dealing with the deer in headlight looks when you try to 
reduce the amount of change you get with cashiers...

Eric Eskam
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position of the U.S. Government
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protein; it rejects it."
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RE: OT RE: MATH

[Joe Heaton]

We have an 8 yr. old little girl, and it's a struggle to overcome the
peer pressure she's under.  We've always raised her to say please, thank
you, yes sir/maam, etc.  But at school it's a different matter.  We
always get complimented on her being polite, so I guess I shouldn't
complain, but when I hear that she's calling adults by their first name,
or worse, nicknames, it's still upsetting.  I just pray that she doesn't
start falling into the habits of some of the worst-case kids, who show
no respect whatsoever for anyone...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: MATH

All hope is not lost. I have 3 boys, 15, 13 and 4. The older two do not
talk back nor misbehave any more than young teens "back in my day"
(early '80s'). Loving, considerate, to friends and strangers alike. 

My 4yr old will greet you for the first time, hand extended for a
handshake and say "nice to meet you...". (I wish I could take credit, by
I just happened to pick great moms).

Having said that, they do something to get thrown in jail, in jail they
will sit! I'd be more than happy to let a teacher use a paddle on them
if they got out of hand. Hey, it worked on me...

This could be a thread onto itself, but I feel compelled to speak when I
get the impression most kids are raised like crap - the small vocal
minority makes the quiet majority look bad. Sounds like other parts of
society...

I do understand some parents really aren't.

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen 
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
do I tell you this? 

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? 

3. Teaching Math In 1970s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit? 

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. 

5. Teaching Math In 1990s 
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. ) 

RE: MATH

[Ken Schaefer]

OT seems to be fine - especially the humour. But I believe that our list admin 
Stu has asked a number of times to keep the political/controversial stuff 
offlist.

Cheers
Ken

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2008 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MATH


My apologies, I was only making a contribution to an off-topic discussion. I'll 
remember never to do it again.
On 24/01/2008, Ken Schaefer < [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:


Who's curtailing free speech? The film was turned down by some awards 
committee. No one seems to have said "you can't make that film in the first 
place"



But, I think this has gone on long enough. Let's keep the politics off the 
list. Surely there must be other places/lists/forums you guys in the UK can 
discuss this?



Cheers

Ken





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Re: MATH

[James Rankin]

My apologies, I was only making a contribution to an off-topic discussion.
I'll remember never to do it again.

On 24/01/2008, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Who's curtailing free speech? The film was turned down by some awards
> committee. No one seems to have said "you can't make that film in the first
> place"
>
>
>
> But, I think this has gone on long enough. Let's keep the politics off the
> list. Surely there must be other places/lists/forums you guys in the UK can
> discuss this?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 24 January 2008 7:56 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MATH
>
>
>
>
> In England you can't teach anything these days for fear of offending
> Islam. See below
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm
>
> It's pretty sad when free speech is curtailed.
>
> On 23/01/2008, *Kim Longenbaugh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
> of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: MATH
>
>
> Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
> decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
> expect?
>
> "I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
> expect me to do everything with nothing."
>
> That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...
>
> Joe Heaton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: MATH
>
> Wednesday Funny
>
> Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
> girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
> from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
> and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen
> on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
> give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
> tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
> do I tell you this?
>
> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
>
> 1. Teaching Math In 1950s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?
>
> 2. Teaching Math In 1960s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
> 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?
>
> 3. Teaching Math In 1970s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> $80. Did he make a profit?
>
> 4. Teaching Math In 1980s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.
>
> 5. Teaching Math In 1990s
> A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
> inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
> preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
> $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
> participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
> squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
> answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. )
>
> 6. Teaching Math In 2007
> Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
> producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .
>
>
>
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RE: MATH

[Ken Schaefer]

Who's curtailing free speech? The film was turned down by some awards 
committee. No one seems to have said "you can't make that film in the first 
place"

But, I think this has gone on long enough. Let's keep the politics off the 
list. Surely there must be other places/lists/forums you guys in the UK can 
discuss this?

Cheers
Ken

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2008 7:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MATH


In England you can't teach anything these days for fear of offending Islam. See 
below

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm

It's pretty sad when free speech is curtailed.
On 23/01/2008, Kim Longenbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:
Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?

2. Teaching Math In 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math In 1990s
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. )

6. Teaching Math In 2007
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .




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Re: MATH

[James Rankin]

In England you can't teach anything these days for fear of offending Islam.
See below

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm

It's pretty sad when free speech is curtailed.

On 23/01/2008, Kim Longenbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
> of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: MATH
>
>
> Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
> decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
> expect?
>
> "I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
> expect me to do everything with nothing."
>
> That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...
>
> Joe Heaton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: MATH
>
> Wednesday Funny
>
> Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
> girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
> from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
> and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen
> on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
> give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
> tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
> do I tell you this?
>
> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
>
> 1. Teaching Math In 1950s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?
>
> 2. Teaching Math In 1960s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
> 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?
>
> 3. Teaching Math In 1970s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> $80. Did he make a profit?
>
> 4. Teaching Math In 1980s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.
>
> 5. Teaching Math In 1990s
> A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
> inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
> preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
> $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
> participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
> squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
> answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. )
>
> 6. Teaching Math In 2007
> Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
> producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .
>
>
>
>
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Re: OT RE: MATH

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 23 Jan 2008 at 20:51, Jeffrey Showen  wrote:

> to them. He tells me he wants a PhD in Paleontology - I have no idea 
> how to pay for it (military pay and my job resets every 3-years) but I 
> am determined to find a way! 

Good on you.  If he can get in to Dartmouth College, they'll pay his tuition if 
your combined incomes are low enough ... and even if they're not, they'll bust 
their butts to find financial aid.  Sounds like his grades and extra-curricular 
activities are enough now, hope he keeps it up.

Dartmouth News - Dartmouth announces new financial aid initiative - 01/22/08
"Dartmouth will eliminate tuition for undergraduates from families with 
incomes below $75,000; replace loans with scholarships; extend need-blind 
admissions to international students; and create a leave term without 
earnings expectations"
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/2008/01/22.html

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Angus Scott-Fleming
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Re: OT RE: MATH

[Kurt Buff]

Way OT:

Where ya been stationed?

My father was in for 20, and we were stationed in to Arizona,
Washington State, Maine, Puerto Rico, Michigan, Colorado (6 months
only), Michigan, Turkey, Michigan, and Idaho, in that order, though I
don't remember the first two, as I was young. I have dim memories of
Maine, better memories of PR, and good to excellent memories of
everything thereafter, especially Turkey, as my folks treated it like
the once-in-a-lifetime experience it was, and got us off base as often
and for as long as possible, and got us acquainted with the locals as
best they knew how. I still don't know how my dad supported a wife and
5 kids on an enlisted man's pay. Even his best pay as a sergeant
wasn't much.

Growing up in the military is hard in a lot of ways - mostly because
of the rootlessness, as you've noted - but it's still within a
structured environment, depending of course on the parents.

On Jan 23, 2008 5:51 PM, Jeffrey Showen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Indeed - all hope is not lost.  My take may be askew as we are a military
> family for over 19 years, but my 11 year old son says Ma'am and Sir to every
> adult he meets - and a lot of kids!  He has been raised as a military brat
> (his MOM is active duty - deployed 4x and ramping up for #5) and he tests
> for a 1st Degree Black Belt this weekend - he rocks!  He is also a straight
> A student.  We have had many struggles with moving to new assignments, low
> pay, etc., but he always rebounds and surprises us with his resilience.  My
> point is that, even in the screwed up times of today, you can raise good
> kids if you stick to the basics and listen to them.  He tells me he wants a
> PhD in Paleontology - I have no idea how to pay for it (military pay and my
> job resets every 3-years) but I am determined to find a way!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2008 6:46 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > All hope is not lost. I have 3 boys, 15, 13 and 4. The older two do not
> > talk back nor misbehave any more than young teens "back in my day"
> > (early '80s'). Loving, considerate, to friends and strangers alike.
> >
> > My 4yr old will greet you for the first time, hand extended for a
> > handshake and say "nice to meet you...". (I wish I could take credit, by
> > I just happened to pick great moms).
> >
> > Having said that, they do something to get thrown in jail, in jail they
> > will sit! I'd be more than happy to let a teacher use a paddle on them
> > if they got out of hand. Hey, it worked on me...
> >
> > This could be a thread onto itself, but I feel compelled to speak when I
> > get the impression most kids are raised like crap - the small vocal
> > minority makes the quiet majority look bad. Sounds like other parts of
> > society...
> >
> > I do understand some parents really aren't.
> >
> > Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
> > "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:07 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: MATH
> >
> > Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
> > legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
> > the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
> > are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
> > Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
> > forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...
> >
> > Joe Heaton
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: MATH
> >
> > Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
> > of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joe Heaton [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: MATH
> >
> >
> > Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
> > decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
> > expect?
> >
> > "I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
> > expect me to do everything with nothing."
> >
> > That's how a l

Re: OT RE: MATH

[Sherry Abercrombie]

With those kind of grades, the extra-curricular activities and that kind of
personality, he will be able to get scholarships easily.  Plus, military
brats will get picked over other kids for scholarships.  Of course, he has
to keep up the grades, but if he's that sure at 11 of what he wants to do,
he should be motivated to do so.

And thanks for being a military family and sacrificing so much for our
country.

On Jan 23, 2008 7:51 PM, Jeffrey Showen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Indeed - all hope is not lost.  My take may be askew as we are a military
> family for over 19 years, but my 11 year old son says Ma'am and Sir to every
> adult he meets - and a lot of kids!  He has been raised as a military brat
> (his MOM is active duty - deployed 4x and ramping up for #5) and he tests
> for a 1st Degree Black Belt this weekend - he rocks!  He is also a straight
> A student.  We have had many struggles with moving to new assignments, low
> pay, etc., but he always rebounds and surprises us with his resilience.  My
> point is that, even in the screwed up times of today, you can raise good
> kids if you stick to the basics and listen to them.  He tells me he wants a
> PhD in Paleontology - I have no idea how to pay for it (military pay and my
> job resets every 3-years) but I am determined to find a way!
>
> Jeff
>
> On Jan 23, 2008 6:46 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > All hope is not lost. I have 3 boys, 15, 13 and 4. The older two do not
> > talk back nor misbehave any more than young teens "back in my day"
> > (early '80s'). Loving, considerate, to friends and strangers alike.
> >
> > My 4yr old will greet you for the first time, hand extended for a
> > handshake and say "nice to meet you...". (I wish I could take credit, by
> >
> > I just happened to pick great moms).
> >
> > Having said that, they do something to get thrown in jail, in jail they
> > will sit! I'd be more than happy to let a teacher use a paddle on them
> > if they got out of hand. Hey, it worked on me...
> >
> > This could be a thread onto itself, but I feel compelled to speak when I
> > get the impression most kids are raised like crap - the small vocal
> > minority makes the quiet majority look bad. Sounds like other parts of
> > society...
> >
> > I do understand some parents really aren't.
> >
> > Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
> > "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:07 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: MATH
> >
> > Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
> > legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
> > the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
> > are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
> > Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
> > forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...
> >
> > Joe Heaton
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: MATH
> >
> > Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
> > of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joe Heaton [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: MATH
> >
> >
> > Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
> > decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
> > expect?
> >
> > "I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
> > expect me to do everything with nothing."
> >
> > That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...
> >
> > Joe Heaton
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: OT: MATH
> >
> > Wednesday Funny
> >
> > Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
> > girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
> > from my pocket and gave it t

RE: OT RE: MATH

[Tom Strader]

I think the key for you Jeff is, "You Listen".

 

The old man upstairs will open the right doors for you, keep the faith
and he will.

 



From: Jeffrey Showen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT RE: MATH

 

 

Indeed - all hope is not lost.  My take may be askew as we are a
military family for over 19 years, but my 11 year old son says Ma'am and
Sir to every adult he meets - and a lot of kids!  He has been raised as
a military brat (his MOM is active duty - deployed 4x and ramping up for
#5) and he tests for a 1st Degree Black Belt this weekend - he rocks!
He is also a straight A student.  We have had many struggles with moving
to new assignments, low pay, etc., but he always rebounds and surprises
us with his resilience.  My point is that, even in the screwed up times
of today, you can raise good kids if you stick to the basics and listen
to them.  He tells me he wants a PhD in Paleontology - I have no idea
how to pay for it (military pay and my job resets every 3-years) but I
am determined to find a way! 

 

Jeff

On Jan 23, 2008 6:46 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All hope is not lost. I have 3 boys, 15, 13 and 4. The older two do not
talk back nor misbehave any more than young teens "back in my day" 
(early '80s'). Loving, considerate, to friends and strangers alike.

My 4yr old will greet you for the first time, hand extended for a
handshake and say "nice to meet you...". (I wish I could take credit, by

I just happened to pick great moms).

Having said that, they do something to get thrown in jail, in jail they
will sit! I'd be more than happy to let a teacher use a paddle on them
if they got out of hand. Hey, it worked on me... 

This could be a thread onto itself, but I feel compelled to speak when I
get the impression most kids are raised like crap - the small vocal
minority makes the quiet majority look bad. Sounds like other parts of 
society...

I do understand some parents really aren't.

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids 
are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH 

Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really 
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton 

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH 

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel 
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why 
do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is

$80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the

Re: OT RE: MATH

[Jeffrey Showen]

Indeed - all hope is not lost.  My take may be askew as we are a military
family for over 19 years, but my 11 year old son says Ma'am and Sir to every
adult he meets - and a lot of kids!  He has been raised as a military brat
(his MOM is active duty - deployed 4x and ramping up for #5) and he tests
for a 1st Degree Black Belt this weekend - he rocks!  He is also a straight
A student.  We have had many struggles with moving to new assignments, low
pay, etc., but he always rebounds and surprises us with his resilience.  My
point is that, even in the screwed up times of today, you can raise good
kids if you stick to the basics and listen to them.  He tells me he wants a
PhD in Paleontology - I have no idea how to pay for it (military pay and my
job resets every 3-years) but I am determined to find a way!

Jeff

On Jan 23, 2008 6:46 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> All hope is not lost. I have 3 boys, 15, 13 and 4. The older two do not
> talk back nor misbehave any more than young teens "back in my day"
> (early '80s'). Loving, considerate, to friends and strangers alike.
>
> My 4yr old will greet you for the first time, hand extended for a
> handshake and say "nice to meet you...". (I wish I could take credit, by
> I just happened to pick great moms).
>
> Having said that, they do something to get thrown in jail, in jail they
> will sit! I'd be more than happy to let a teacher use a paddle on them
> if they got out of hand. Hey, it worked on me...
>
> This could be a thread onto itself, but I feel compelled to speak when I
> get the impression most kids are raised like crap - the small vocal
> minority makes the quiet majority look bad. Sounds like other parts of
> society...
>
> I do understand some parents really aren't.
>
> Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
> "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:07 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: MATH
>
> Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
> legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
> the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
> are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
> Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
> forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...
>
> Joe Heaton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: MATH
>
> Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
> of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: MATH
>
>
> Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
> decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
> expect?
>
> "I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
> expect me to do everything with nothing."
>
> That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...
>
> Joe Heaton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: MATH
>
> Wednesday Funny
>
> Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
> girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
> from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
> and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen
> on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
> give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
> tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
> do I tell you this?
>
> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
>
> 1. Teaching Math In 1950s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?
>
> 2. Teaching Math In 1960s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
> 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?
>
> 3. Teaching Math In 1970s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> $80. Did he make a profit?
>
> 4. Teaching Math In 1980s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His c

Re: MATH

[Steven Peck]

Just a brief note on this subject.

When I was a teen, I worked at a fast food place for a year.  When new
to the register we had these fancy things where you press buttons for
the items, when someone gave you money, you entered the money into the
deal and gave back the change.  If your balance at the end of the day
was off by more then $0.05 more then 3 times in a month you were
fired.

When I first started at this job, in addition to learning to 'push
buttons', I had to learn customer service, menu items, customization
to items (-this +that) and still smile to that annoying jerk who is
angry at having waited in line for more then 60 seconds and is waiting
for his change and that bastard rolling his eyes behind him while
making sarcastic comments.  As a teenager, with hormones a changing,
parents divorcing, school etc

I got A's in math in school.  I learned over time how to do the math
and reverse count change properly.  It is a learned skill and my
manager taught it to me but I sure couldn't do it that first week.  I
could not reverse count change properly until taught.  It was a dying
skill when I was at this job 23 years ago, I imagine it's not really
even taught at all in fast food joints anymore but is taught in other
eating establishments.

This has nothing to do with "today's schools".  I had co-workers who
couldn't do this then.  I meet young people at counters today and some
can and some can't.  Some never will and others will have better jobs.

While fun to use the old 'todays schools' whipping post, it's not an
accurate whipping post to use.  Your example while also funny, is
pretty much the exact same examples I saw in the 1980's on a
photocopied paper passed around my class room by the teacher, only the
dates were off a few decades and the product was whatever group felt
slighted at that time.

Fear of screwing up in public, fear of being fired, fear of something
different while new and learning are powerful drivers.  In any case,
something to consider when you make someone cry.  :)

Steven Peck



On Jan 23, 2008 3:31 PM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That really depends on where you are. Down here in Oklahoma kids are
> still very much raised in a Yes Sir, No Sir, Please and Thank you, kind
> of way. It wasn't that way though when I lived in Colorado. Location,
> location, location...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:07 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: MATH
>
> Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
> legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
> the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
> are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
> Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
> forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...
>
> Joe Heaton
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: MATH
>
> Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
> of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: MATH
>
>
> Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
> decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
> expect?
>
> "I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
> expect me to do everything with nothing."
>
> That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...
>
> Joe Heaton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: MATH
>
> Wednesday Funny
>
> Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
> girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
> from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
> and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen
> on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
> give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
> tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
> do I tell you this?
>
> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
>
> 1. Teaching Math In 1950s
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
> 4/5 of the pri

OT RE: MATH

[David Lum]

All hope is not lost. I have 3 boys, 15, 13 and 4. The older two do not
talk back nor misbehave any more than young teens "back in my day"
(early '80s'). Loving, considerate, to friends and strangers alike. 

My 4yr old will greet you for the first time, hand extended for a
handshake and say "nice to meet you...". (I wish I could take credit, by
I just happened to pick great moms).

Having said that, they do something to get thrown in jail, in jail they
will sit! I'd be more than happy to let a teacher use a paddle on them
if they got out of hand. Hey, it worked on me...

This could be a thread onto itself, but I feel compelled to speak when I
get the impression most kids are raised like crap - the small vocal
minority makes the quiet majority look bad. Sounds like other parts of
society...

I do understand some parents really aren't.

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen 
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
do I tell you this? 

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? 

3. Teaching Math In 1970s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit? 

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. 

5. Teaching Math In 1990s 
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. ) 

6. Teaching Math In 2007
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .




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RE: MATH

[Tim Vander Kooi]

That really depends on where you are. Down here in Oklahoma kids are
still very much raised in a Yes Sir, No Sir, Please and Thank you, kind
of way. It wasn't that way though when I lived in Colorado. Location,
location, location...

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen 
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
do I tell you this? 

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? 

3. Teaching Math In 1970s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit? 

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. 

5. Teaching Math In 1990s 
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. ) 

6. Teaching Math In 2007
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .




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RE: MATH

[Mike Semon]

Unfortunately today they teach fuzzy math. Or maybe I think it is called
chisombop where they count on their hands or toes. Today they just want to
count what it costs to buy playstation or Wii.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen 
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
do I tell you this? 

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? 

3. Teaching Math In 1970s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit? 

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. 

5. Teaching Math In 1990s 
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. ) 

6. Teaching Math In 2007
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .




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RE: MATH

[Joe Heaton]

Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten
legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in
the school.  And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids
are raised with these days.  In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes
Maam, No Maam.  These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no...  And
forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH

Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen 
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
do I tell you this? 

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? 

3. Teaching Math In 1970s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit? 

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. 

5. Teaching Math In 1990s 
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. ) 

6. Teaching Math In 2007
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .




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RE: MATH

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control
of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MATH


Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen 
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
do I tell you this? 

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? 

3. Teaching Math In 1970s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit? 

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. 

5. Teaching Math In 1990s 
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. ) 

6. Teaching Math In 2007
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .




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Re: MATH

[Steve Ens]

If only they put as much money into education as they put into the military...

On Jan 23, 2008 4:43 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
> decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
> expect?
>
> "I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
> expect me to do everything with nothing."
>
> That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...
>
> Joe Heaton
>

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RE: MATH

[Joe Heaton]

Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government
decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really
expect?

"I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now
expect me to do everything with nothing."

That's how a lot of teachers feel these days...

Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MATH

Wednesday Funny

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter
girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel
and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen 
on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just
give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he
tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why
do I tell you this? 

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? 

2. Teaching Math In 1960s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is
4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? 

3. Teaching Math In 1970s 
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit? 

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. 

5. Teaching Math In 1990s 
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. ) 

6. Teaching Math In 2007
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho .




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