RE: Mandatory profiles?
I am having trouble finding that setting. I apologize, I don't know GPOs very well. Is that under folder redirection? I am actually using I noticed a unique problem now though, when I tried to log on using the test account (lab rat) and for some reason it copied my Domain administrator account's profile. I noticed, because the profile I copied over there yesterday was like 6 megs, and today the roaming profile is 500 megs. When I looked at the desktop... sure enough it was my DA account... I never told it to copy that!!! I am sure I probably did something stupid but I have no idea what it was. :) From: Troy Meyer [mailto:tme...@uoregon.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? It's a setting in the GPO. It simply adds permissions, it wont remove existing permissions if the folder exists. Haven't looked to see if it doesn't affect parent permissions that apply to child objects when the folder doesn't exist initially, but I would assume it doesn't. May have to test that one (our provisioning creates the user folder(s) so I have not run into it yet). -troy From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? When you say exclusive do you mean full control, or are they the only ones that have access? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Mandatory profiles? Are your profile areas set to give the user exclusive access? I found problems with GPO application from 2008 AD till I overrode that setting 2009/6/17 Owens, Michael michael.ow...@dys.ohio.govmailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov Actually no one from XP will be logging on to it, only Server 2008. I just tried the XP because I was out of ideas. I took what I learned from you guys, applied it, and now the profiles are working flawlessly. But here is what is wierd. If the profile takes, the group policies do not apply. If I remove the users access to the profile (something I would thinl would be completely unrelated to GPO) the group policy doesnt apply? I've tinkered with it for the last few days and can't put my finger on it. Also, in the v2 profile there is no ntuser.dat? there is an ntuser.dat.log. is this correct? From: Kelsey, John [mailto:jckel...@drmc.orgmailto:jckel...@drmc.org] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? Vista profiles are stored in a completely different folder structure than XP. If you need to use the same profile on both XP and Vista, the 'recommended' way is with folder redirection in a GPO. Here is a good link. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489.aspx *** John C. Kelsey DuBois Regional Medical Center *: 814.375.3073 *: jckel...@drmc.orgmailto:jckel...@drmc.org *** -Original Message- From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.govmailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? I see. We are having an issue where event viewer says that it cannot gain access to the profiles, but it works on an XP machine and I can navigate to it. Very strange. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? We have had issues with roaming profiles, but it was due to lack of understanding (on my part) about changes in roaming profiles and redirection in Vista. - Bob Fronk P Please print only as needed. From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.govmailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Mandatory profiles? Has anyone had any problem with mandatory profiles in vista, or server 2008? This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you
RE: Mandatory profiles?
I should clarify. There are 7 servers. (1-7) The profiles share is on #7. I logged on using ICA on #1. The profile loaded, GPOs did not. So, I recreated the profile thinking maybe it was just a bad profile. Copied over the same profile I used before to the profile.v2 folder on my share, and gave it the same permissions I did the other one. When I logged on aagain using the ICA connection, I got an error in loading the profile. After much playing, I noticed that the v2 profile was no longer the one I copied over, but it was my DA account from server #1. I am unsure if I logged in and out of that account on that server as part of my trouble shooting... this is the second time it has happend and I am going to try to duplicate it now. The domain admin account is not affected by GPOs The domain admin account also does not have anything in TS profiles, or the profiles tab. From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? I am having trouble finding that setting. I apologize, I don't know GPOs very well. Is that under folder redirection? I am actually using I noticed a unique problem now though, when I tried to log on using the test account (lab rat) and for some reason it copied my Domain administrator account's profile. I noticed, because the profile I copied over there yesterday was like 6 megs, and today the roaming profile is 500 megs. When I looked at the desktop... sure enough it was my DA account... I never told it to copy that!!! I am sure I probably did something stupid but I have no idea what it was. :) From: Troy Meyer [mailto:tme...@uoregon.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? It's a setting in the GPO. It simply adds permissions, it wont remove existing permissions if the folder exists. Haven't looked to see if it doesn't affect parent permissions that apply to child objects when the folder doesn't exist initially, but I would assume it doesn't. May have to test that one (our provisioning creates the user folder(s) so I have not run into it yet). -troy From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? When you say exclusive do you mean full control, or are they the only ones that have access? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Mandatory profiles? Are your profile areas set to give the user exclusive access? I found problems with GPO application from 2008 AD till I overrode that setting 2009/6/17 Owens, Michael michael.ow...@dys.ohio.govmailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov Actually no one from XP will be logging on to it, only Server 2008. I just tried the XP because I was out of ideas. I took what I learned from you guys, applied it, and now the profiles are working flawlessly. But here is what is wierd. If the profile takes, the group policies do not apply. If I remove the users access to the profile (something I would thinl would be completely unrelated to GPO) the group policy doesnt apply? I've tinkered with it for the last few days and can't put my finger on it. Also, in the v2 profile there is no ntuser.dat? there is an ntuser.dat.log. is this correct? From: Kelsey, John [mailto:jckel...@drmc.orgmailto:jckel...@drmc.org] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? Vista profiles are stored in a completely different folder structure than XP. If you need to use the same profile on both XP and Vista, the 'recommended' way is with folder redirection in a GPO. Here is a good link. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489.aspx *** John C. Kelsey DuBois Regional Medical Center *: 814.375.3073 *: jckel...@drmc.orgmailto:jckel...@drmc.org *** -Original Message- From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.govmailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? I see. We are having an issue where event viewer says that it cannot gain access to the profiles, but it works on an XP machine and I can navigate to it. Very strange. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? We have had issues with roaming profiles, but it was due to lack of understanding (on my part) about changes in roaming profiles and redirection in Vista. - Bob Fronk P Please print only as needed
RE: Mandatory profiles?
Actually no one from XP will be logging on to it, only Server 2008. I just tried the XP because I was out of ideas. I took what I learned from you guys, applied it, and now the profiles are working flawlessly. But here is what is wierd. If the profile takes, the group policies do not apply. If I remove the users access to the profile (something I would thinl would be completely unrelated to GPO) the group policy doesnt apply? I've tinkered with it for the last few days and can't put my finger on it. Also, in the v2 profile there is no ntuser.dat? there is an ntuser.dat.log. is this correct? From: Kelsey, John [mailto:jckel...@drmc.org] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? Vista profiles are stored in a completely different folder structure than XP. If you need to use the same profile on both XP and Vista, the 'recommended' way is with folder redirection in a GPO. Here is a good link. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489.aspx *** John C. Kelsey DuBois Regional Medical Center *: 814.375.3073 *: jckel...@drmc.orgmailto:jckel...@drmc.org *** -Original Message- From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? I see. We are having an issue where event viewer says that it cannot gain access to the profiles, but it works on an XP machine and I can navigate to it. Very strange. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? We have had issues with roaming profiles, but it was due to lack of understanding (on my part) about changes in roaming profiles and redirection in Vista. - Bob Fronk P Please print only as needed. From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Mandatory profiles? Has anyone had any problem with mandatory profiles in vista, or server 2008? This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Mandatory profiles?
Are your profile areas set to give the user exclusive access? I found problems with GPO application from 2008 AD till I overrode that setting 2009/6/17 Owens, Michael michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov Actually no one from XP will be logging on to it, only Server 2008. I just tried the XP because I was out of ideas. I took what I learned from you guys, applied it, and now the profiles are working flawlessly. But here is what is wierd. If the profile takes, the group policies do not apply. If I remove the users access to the profile (something I would thinl would be completely unrelated to GPO) the group policy doesnt apply? I've tinkered with it for the last few days and can't put my finger on it. Also, in the v2 profile there is no ntuser.dat? there is an ntuser.dat.log. is this correct? -- *From:* Kelsey, John [mailto:jckel...@drmc.org] *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Mandatory profiles? Vista profiles are stored in a completely different folder structure than XP. If you need to use the same profile on both XP and Vista, the 'recommended' way is with folder redirection in a GPO. Here is a good link. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489.aspx *** *John C. Kelsey *DuBois Regional Medical Center (: 814.375.3073 *: jckel...@drmc.org *** -Original Message- *From:* Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 12:46 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Mandatory profiles? I see. We are having an issue where event viewer says that it cannot gain access to the profiles, but it works on an XP machine and I can navigate to it. Very strange. -- *From:* Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.com] *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 12:30 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Mandatory profiles? We have had issues with roaming profiles, but it was due to lack of understanding (on my part) about changes in roaming profiles and redirection in Vista. *-* *Bob Fronk* P Please print only as needed. *From:* Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 11:11 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Mandatory profiles? Has anyone had any problem with mandatory profiles in vista, or server 2008? -- This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. -- This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Mandatory profiles?
When you say exclusive do you mean full control, or are they the only ones that have access? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Mandatory profiles? Are your profile areas set to give the user exclusive access? I found problems with GPO application from 2008 AD till I overrode that setting 2009/6/17 Owens, Michael michael.ow...@dys.ohio.govmailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov Actually no one from XP will be logging on to it, only Server 2008. I just tried the XP because I was out of ideas. I took what I learned from you guys, applied it, and now the profiles are working flawlessly. But here is what is wierd. If the profile takes, the group policies do not apply. If I remove the users access to the profile (something I would thinl would be completely unrelated to GPO) the group policy doesnt apply? I've tinkered with it for the last few days and can't put my finger on it. Also, in the v2 profile there is no ntuser.dat? there is an ntuser.dat.log. is this correct? From: Kelsey, John [mailto:jckel...@drmc.orgmailto:jckel...@drmc.org] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? Vista profiles are stored in a completely different folder structure than XP. If you need to use the same profile on both XP and Vista, the 'recommended' way is with folder redirection in a GPO. Here is a good link. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489.aspx *** John C. Kelsey DuBois Regional Medical Center *: 814.375.3073 *: jckel...@drmc.orgmailto:jckel...@drmc.org *** -Original Message- From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.govmailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? I see. We are having an issue where event viewer says that it cannot gain access to the profiles, but it works on an XP machine and I can navigate to it. Very strange. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? We have had issues with roaming profiles, but it was due to lack of understanding (on my part) about changes in roaming profiles and redirection in Vista. - Bob Fronk P Please print only as needed. From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.govmailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Mandatory profiles? Has anyone had any problem with mandatory profiles in vista, or server 2008? This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Mandatory profiles?
It's a setting in the GPO. It simply adds permissions, it wont remove existing permissions if the folder exists. Haven't looked to see if it doesn't affect parent permissions that apply to child objects when the folder doesn't exist initially, but I would assume it doesn't. May have to test that one (our provisioning creates the user folder(s) so I have not run into it yet). -troy From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? When you say exclusive do you mean full control, or are they the only ones that have access? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Mandatory profiles? Are your profile areas set to give the user exclusive access? I found problems with GPO application from 2008 AD till I overrode that setting 2009/6/17 Owens, Michael michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov Actually no one from XP will be logging on to it, only Server 2008. I just tried the XP because I was out of ideas. I took what I learned from you guys, applied it, and now the profiles are working flawlessly. But here is what is wierd. If the profile takes, the group policies do not apply. If I remove the users access to the profile (something I would thinl would be completely unrelated to GPO) the group policy doesnt apply? I've tinkered with it for the last few days and can't put my finger on it. Also, in the v2 profile there is no ntuser.dat? there is an ntuser.dat.log. is this correct? From: Kelsey, John [mailto:jckel...@drmc.org] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? Vista profiles are stored in a completely different folder structure than XP. If you need to use the same profile on both XP and Vista, the 'recommended' way is with folder redirection in a GPO. Here is a good link. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489.aspx *** John C. Kelsey DuBois Regional Medical Center (: 814.375.3073 *: jckel...@drmc.org mailto:jckel...@drmc.org *** -Original Message- From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? I see. We are having an issue where event viewer says that it cannot gain access to the profiles, but it works on an XP machine and I can navigate to it. Very strange. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? We have had issues with roaming profiles, but it was due to lack of understanding (on my part) about changes in roaming profiles and redirection in Vista. - Bob Fronk P Please print only as needed. From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Mandatory profiles? Has anyone had any problem with mandatory profiles in vista, or server 2008? This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised
RE: Mandatory profiles?
I see. We are having an issue where event viewer says that it cannot gain access to the profiles, but it works on an XP machine and I can navigate to it. Very strange. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? We have had issues with roaming profiles, but it was due to lack of understanding (on my part) about changes in roaming profiles and redirection in Vista. - Bob Fronk P Please print only as needed. From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Mandatory profiles? Has anyone had any problem with mandatory profiles in vista, or server 2008? This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Mandatory profiles?
Vista profiles are stored in a completely different folder structure than XP. If you need to use the same profile on both XP and Vista, the 'recommended' way is with folder redirection in a GPO. Here is a good link. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489.aspx *** John C. Kelsey DuBois Regional Medical Center (: 814.375.3073 *: jckel...@drmc.org mailto:jckel...@drmc.org *** -Original Message- From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? I see. We are having an issue where event viewer says that it cannot gain access to the profiles, but it works on an XP machine and I can navigate to it. Very strange. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Mandatory profiles? We have had issues with roaming profiles, but it was due to lack of understanding (on my part) about changes in roaming profiles and redirection in Vista. - Bob Fronk P Please print only as needed. From: Owens, Michael [mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Mandatory profiles? Has anyone had any problem with mandatory profiles in vista, or server 2008? This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This message, and any response to it, may constitute a public record and thus may be publicly available to anyone who requests it in accordance with Chapter 149 of the Ohio Revised Code. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
