Re: OT: Google Aps
My first reaction is your boss is loony. Ignoring everything else Google Apps is just yet another email hosting provider that provides POP3 and a really really goofy IMAP serivce. Jeremy Anderson wrote: I was just informed by my boss that we will activly be presuing using Google Aps Enterprise in our company and if the 30 day trial goes well, then we will be off Exchange and using Google Aps. After my initial almost fall over and hit the floor, and quick panic about how long I will have my job, I started to wonder about this a bit. I was asked what my opinion was and I honestly replied I dont have enough information to even reply Does anyone on this list have any experiance with somthing like this? Any links to how well this might scale in a 1500 user enviroment? Pros/Cons or reviews? I know even MS is pushing the Software as a Service idea. I dont even know where to start on this one, but my gut reaction is are you guys crazy? I dont know if thats even a correct reaction. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: OT: Google Aps
Google sells HARD toward select medium-sized businesses. They go in and talk about backups and infrastructure and expensive administrators and how, with a Google solution, you don't have to have any of those. That speaks to management where in counts - in the PL statement. That's why I said any response must be based on the value proposition of the solution. From: Phil Brutsche [p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: Google Aps My first reaction is your boss is loony. Ignoring everything else Google Apps is just yet another email hosting provider that provides POP3 and a really really goofy IMAP serivce. Jeremy Anderson wrote: I was just informed by my boss that we will activly be presuing using Google Aps Enterprise in our company and if the 30 day trial goes well, then we will be off Exchange and using Google Aps. After my initial almost fall over and hit the floor, and quick panic about how long I will have my job, I started to wonder about this a bit. I was asked what my opinion was and I honestly replied I dont have enough information to even reply Does anyone on this list have any experiance with somthing like this? Any links to how well this might scale in a 1500 user enviroment? Pros/Cons or reviews? I know even MS is pushing the Software as a Service idea. I dont even know where to start on this one, but my gut reaction is are you guys crazy? I dont know if thats even a correct reaction. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: OT: Google Aps
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Jeremy Anderson jer...@mapiadmin.net wrote: I was just informed by my boss that we will activly be presuing using Google Aps Enterprise in our company and if the 30 day trial goes well, then we will be off Exchange and using Google Aps. I strongly second what MBS said. It's all about cost/benefit. What does Exchange cost you, and how does it benefit you? What will Gmail cost you, and how will it benefit you? Who has the higher ratio? Maybe Google really *is* a better proposition for you. How should *we* know? :) Costs have to include not just license costs (Exchange) or service fees (Google), but admin time and user time and infrastructure costs. Do you spend lots of money on Exchange server hardware? Will you have to spend lots of money of faster/redundant/reliable Internet feeds? Offline use and Internet reliability are a big question mark for me. If your Internet feed is impaired (slow), will your organization find the system unusable for the duration? What about laptop users? Information assurance is another big question. While I don't distrust Google more than I distrust any large company, and I believe Google has more staying power than some other web service providers, I still worry about what happens if they decide that product just isn't working and cancel/change things. At least with Exchange, even if Microsoft decides to cancel the product (hypothetically), the server I have now will keep running for years until we can work out a migration plan. If Google shuts down, you loose everything immediately. What features of Exchange/Outlook do you use? MBS has good list. Compare how they will work for you in the two services. Not just Does it have feature X?, but, How easy is it to do X? If you've got a lot of power users who make use of Exchange features in Outlook, will retraining for the Google methods be a big deal? Make sure Google gives you an *iron clad* agreement. It should spell out acceptable service and how that's measured (and who does the measuring), and what the penalties are. For a lot of services, the penalties are for hours of uninterrupted service, which means they can be unreliable as hell but still collect most of their fee. You want a strong profit incentive for them to not suck. If at all possible, work on getting a pilot program where a few people have their mail forwarded to/from Google, and use it that way for a *couple months*. 1500 accounts should be enough to entice Google into giving you that kind of trial. (If they balk, threaten to walk, and magic will happen.) There's nothing like hands-on experience to tell you how something will fly in the real world. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: OT: Google Aps
Please elaborate on goofy. I use Google Apps in two organizations I am involved with, and I love it. -- ME2 On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote: My first reaction is your boss is loony. Ignoring everything else Google Apps is just yet another email hosting provider that provides POP3 and a really really goofy IMAP serivce. Jeremy Anderson wrote: I was just informed by my boss that we will activly be presuing using Google Aps Enterprise in our company and if the 30 day trial goes well, then we will be off Exchange and using Google Aps. After my initial almost fall over and hit the floor, and quick panic about how long I will have my job, I started to wonder about this a bit. I was asked what my opinion was and I honestly replied I dont have enough information to even reply Does anyone on this list have any experiance with somthing like this? Any links to how well this might scale in a 1500 user enviroment? Pros/Cons or reviews? I know even MS is pushing the Software as a Service idea. I dont even know where to start on this one, but my gut reaction is are you guys crazy? I dont know if thats even a correct reaction. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: OT: Google Aps
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Please elaborate on goofy. I use Google Apps in two organizations I am involved with, and I love it. I can't speak for the OP, but the labels paradigm that Gmail uses can confuse, or cause suboptimal behavior, in many IMAP clients. Clients tend to assume a message can exist in only one IMAP folder. Or they try to enumerate the contents of All Mail and explode. This is arguably as much a client problem as Gmail's, but it's good to be aware of. Google documents this, more-or-less, in their Help. I guess there's actually a labels feature in newer IMAP specs, but practically nothing implements it (including Gmail). IMAP has always been the problem child of the Internet mail protocol suite. Too bad, really; it's a wonderful concept. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: OT: Google Aps
I use GoogleApps for email for one of the sites I have hosted and I have had nothing but issues with it. I tried subscribing some of my Sunbelt lists to it to move them off my work address, and I literally cannot get through 1 night without having my account suspended due to bounced mail. I understand that it is still beta (as are most things Google), but it really isn't very useful. TVK From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: Google Aps Please elaborate on goofy. I use Google Apps in two organizations I am involved with, and I love it. -- ME2 On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.commailto:p...@optimumdata.com wrote: My first reaction is your boss is loony. Ignoring everything else Google Apps is just yet another email hosting provider that provides POP3 and a really really goofy IMAP serivce. Jeremy Anderson wrote: I was just informed by my boss that we will activly be presuing using Google Aps Enterprise in our company and if the 30 day trial goes well, then we will be off Exchange and using Google Aps. After my initial almost fall over and hit the floor, and quick panic about how long I will have my job, I started to wonder about this a bit. I was asked what my opinion was and I honestly replied I dont have enough information to even reply Does anyone on this list have any experiance with somthing like this? Any links to how well this might scale in a 1500 user enviroment? Pros/Cons or reviews? I know even MS is pushing the Software as a Service idea. I dont even know where to start on this one, but my gut reaction is are you guys crazy? I dont know if thats even a correct reaction. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.commailto:p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: OT: Google Aps
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:20, Jeremy Anderson jer...@mapiadmin.net wrote: I was just informed by my boss that we will activly be presuing using Google Aps Enterprise in our company and if the 30 day trial goes well, then we will be off Exchange and using Google Aps. After my initial almost fall over and hit the floor, and quick panic about how long I will have my job, I started to wonder about this a bit. I was asked what my opinion was and I honestly replied I dont have enough information to even reply Does anyone on this list have any experiance with somthing like this? Any links to how well this might scale in a 1500 user enviroment? Pros/Cons or reviews? I know even MS is pushing the Software as a Service idea. I dont even know where to start on this one, but my gut reaction is are you guys crazy? I dont know if thats even a correct reaction. Thanks Jeremy Google for cloud computing security and be afraid. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: OT: Google Aps
Id be worried about E-discovery if I was u on using SAAS ( Software as a SERVICE) offerings along with the security of your email communications and whom and what can see them. NO offense, but I really can't see the sensibility of a 3rd party being able to look at your private company communications, without your knowledge. Z Edward Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + ezi...@lifespan.org Phone:401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: Google Aps On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:20, Jeremy Anderson jer...@mapiadmin.net wrote: I was just informed by my boss that we will activly be presuing using Google Aps Enterprise in our company and if the 30 day trial goes well, then we will be off Exchange and using Google Aps. After my initial almost fall over and hit the floor, and quick panic about how long I will have my job, I started to wonder about this a bit. I was asked what my opinion was and I honestly replied I dont have enough information to even reply Does anyone on this list have any experiance with somthing like this? Any links to how well this might scale in a 1500 user enviroment? Pros/Cons or reviews? I know even MS is pushing the Software as a Service idea. I dont even know where to start on this one, but my gut reaction is are you guys crazy? I dont know if thats even a correct reaction. Thanks Jeremy Google for cloud computing security and be afraid. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: OT: Google Aps
Ben Scott wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Please elaborate on goofy. I use Google Apps in two organizations I am involved with, and I love it. I can't speak for the OP, but the labels paradigm that Gmail uses can confuse, or cause suboptimal behavior, in many IMAP clients. Clients tend to assume a message can exist in only one IMAP folder. Or they try to enumerate the contents of All Mail and explode. Bingo. To add to that, create folders via IMAP and move a message to it. Then go try to find the message in the web interface. Google Apps is OK for POP3 but the IMAP support is downright odd. It does not correspond with what people (specifically me and numerous others who use IMAP on a regular basis) expect from an IMAP server. We've used Exchange, Cyrus IMAP on CentOS, UW-IMAP on Debian, etc. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
