Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-04 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 2 Apr 2011 at 16:46, Bob Hartung wrote:

 You don't mention what your load and application requirements are. How many 
 PCs are at the far 
 end of this link? Is there clear line of sight? Will you use the link for 
 VOIP? Will the link support 
 web access, application access. How much total bandwidth is needed?

Anywhere from 1-10 computers at the remote end, need access to LAN 
services (printing, files, Internet access).  Nothing heavy.

 100 yards isn't too much to consider a buried cable connection, if the 
 property between is owned 
 by the same people that own the 2 end locations.

Not do-able, it's across the street. :-(

 Are there acceptable alternatives that are being considered? Would a cable or 
 DSL connection to 
 2nd location and VPN between the 2 end locations work?

No.

 We have a couple of locations 3 miles apart. A T1 would cost over $500/mo 
 (small community). 
 We ended up erecting 75' towers at each locations and still didn't have clear 
 line of sight 
 (deciduous trees mostly). We currently use Solectek AirStream bridges that 
 work quite well for us. 
 We get 36 Mbps data rate and the link is very solid.

Nice.


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RE: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-02 Thread Alex Eckelberry
We installed a microwave link between buildings in Florida, it's worked 
swimmingly well (no pun intended).  I would highly recommend looking at that 
option.

And yes, it is very humid and wet down here, as you might imagine.

Alex


From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:10 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

LinkSys/Cisco used to have directional antennas as an option which might get 
you close.  I would guess other vendors have the same.  Another option would be 
using a microwave link.  Cost is much higher but bandwidth with one of these is 
also much higher.  Down side is high humidity or obstructions cause major 
problems with any linkage.  Since you are in AZ you should be relativity safe 
from the humidity issue.  Roof top to roof top mounts with fiber up and down 
would most likely take care of most obstructions.

Jon Harris
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
angu...@geoapps.commailto:angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
OT, but it's Friday.

I need to set up a Wireless Repeater, or set up a wireless bridge to another 
building with a
WiFi hotspot in the second building.  The buildings are about 100 yards apart, 
and there are
some desert trees between them.

Recommendations for gear welcome.

TIA

Angus


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-02 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
I gotta agree with the bridging nudge.  When DD-WRT is configured for both,
my issues have always been with the bridge - especially regarding out-right
dropping.

Something I have had recent luck doing is using dual-band routers and
configuring the 5Ghz band for N bridging - and leaving the 2.4Ghz band for
b/g/n AP.  N suffers a bit more for range and obstacles, so YMMV.  Reserving
it as streaming media backbone can work quite well though.

Back to the OP, if business, outdoors, and poor weather - I agree with the
Microwave suggestions.

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On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 My experience with DD-WRT is that it fails at bridging.  The Linksys code
 worked well.
 I had a yaggi modifed cantannea I made using a can of baby forumla for a
 year or two, but the inefficiencies were eventually defeated by days with
 raid or high humidity so I caved and bought two 15 db directionals for $50
 and they worked very well.

 Steven Peck
 http://www.blkmtn.org
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
 michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:

 But it doesnt neccessarily mean it can do it well. My experience with
 Netgears running DD-WRT code isnt very good (bridging and AP'ing).

 --
 ME2






 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 Tomato and DD-WRT can do wireless bridging.
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com
  wrote:

 On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

  I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
  running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
  over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance is
  a bit over 100 yds.

 I actually own a cantenna.

 Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just acting
 as
 a bridge?

 TIA


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-02 Thread Steven Peck
My friend says I have a poor memory.  The antenna's we have are like this
one.
http://www.eworldsale.com/tp-link-network-tl-ant2424b-24ghz-24dbi-outdoorgrid-antenna-n-type-connector_5770_52906.html



On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 My experience with DD-WRT is that it fails at bridging.  The Linksys code
 worked well.
 I had a yaggi modifed cantannea I made using a can of baby forumla for a
 year or two, but the inefficiencies were eventually defeated by days with
 raid or high humidity so I caved and bought two 15 db directionals for $50
 and they worked very well.

 Steven Peck
 http://www.blkmtn.org
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
 michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:

 But it doesnt neccessarily mean it can do it well. My experience with
 Netgears running DD-WRT code isnt very good (bridging and AP'ing).

 --
 ME2






 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 Tomato and DD-WRT can do wireless bridging.
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com
  wrote:

 On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

  I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
  running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
  over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance is
  a bit over 100 yds.

 I actually own a cantenna.

 Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just acting
 as
 a bridge?

 TIA


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-02 Thread Steven Peck
Which N based wireless routers do you use?  I have 2 of the WAP54G's and am
looking at replacing them with N's.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I gotta agree with the bridging nudge.  When DD-WRT is configured for both,
 my issues have always been with the bridge - especially regarding out-right
 dropping.

 Something I have had recent luck doing is using dual-band routers and
 configuring the 5Ghz band for N bridging - and leaving the 2.4Ghz band for
 b/g/n AP.  N suffers a bit more for range and obstacles, so YMMV.  Reserving
 it as streaming media backbone can work quite well though.

 Back to the OP, if business, outdoors, and poor weather - I agree with the
 Microwave suggestions.

 --
 ME2





 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 My experience with DD-WRT is that it fails at bridging.  The Linksys code
 worked well.
 I had a yaggi modifed cantannea I made using a can of baby forumla for a
 year or two, but the inefficiencies were eventually defeated by days with
 raid or high humidity so I caved and bought two 15 db directionals for $50
 and they worked very well.

 Steven Peck
 http://www.blkmtn.org
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
 michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:

 But it doesnt neccessarily mean it can do it well. My experience with
 Netgears running DD-WRT code isnt very good (bridging and AP'ing).

 --
 ME2






 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 Tomato and DD-WRT can do wireless bridging.
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
 angu...@geoapps.com wrote:

 On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

  I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
  running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
  over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance
 is
  a bit over 100 yds.

 I actually own a cantenna.

 Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just acting
 as
 a bridge?

 TIA


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-02 Thread Bob Hartung
You don't mention what your load and application requirements are. How many PCs 
are at the far end of this link? Is there clear line of sight? Will you use the 
link for VOIP? Will the link support web access, application access. How much 
total bandwidth is needed?

100 yards isn't too much to consider a buried cable connection, if the property 
between is owned by the same people that own the 2 end locations.

Are there acceptable alternatives that are being considered? Would a cable or 
DSL connection to 2nd location and VPN between the 2 end locations work?

We have a couple of locations 3 miles apart. A T1 would cost over $500/mo 
(small community). We ended up erecting 75' towers at each locations and still 
didn't have clear line of sight (deciduous trees mostly). We currently use 
Solectek AirStream bridges that work quite well for us. We get 36 Mbps data 
rate and the link is very solid.

--

Bob Hartung
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:01:12 -0500
Subject: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

OT, but it's Friday.
  
  I need to set up a Wireless Repeater, or set up a wireless bridge to another 
building with a 
  WiFi hotspot in the second building.  The buildings are about 100 yards 
apart, and there are 
  some desert trees between them.
  
  Recommendations for gear welcome.  
  
  TIA
  
  Angus
  
  
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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-02 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Personally/at-home I use a Cisco-Linksys WRT610N.  Its probably dated by
now.  I've most recently deployed Netgear N600 WNDR3700's in local
residential's.  They benchmark really well.

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On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 Which N based wireless routers do you use?  I have 2 of the WAP54G's and am
 looking at replacing them with N's.

 On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
 michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I gotta agree with the bridging nudge.  When DD-WRT is configured for
 both, my issues have always been with the bridge - especially regarding
 out-right dropping.

 Something I have had recent luck doing is using dual-band routers and
 configuring the 5Ghz band for N bridging - and leaving the 2.4Ghz band for
 b/g/n AP.  N suffers a bit more for range and obstacles, so YMMV.  Reserving
 it as streaming media backbone can work quite well though.

 Back to the OP, if business, outdoors, and poor weather - I agree with the
 Microwave suggestions.

 --
 ME2





 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

  My experience with DD-WRT is that it fails at bridging.  The Linksys
 code worked well.
 I had a yaggi modifed cantannea I made using a can of baby forumla for a
 year or two, but the inefficiencies were eventually defeated by days with
 raid or high humidity so I caved and bought two 15 db directionals for $50
 and they worked very well.

 Steven Peck
 http://www.blkmtn.org
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
 michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:

 But it doesnt neccessarily mean it can do it well. My experience with
 Netgears running DD-WRT code isnt very good (bridging and AP'ing).

 --
 ME2






 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 Tomato and DD-WRT can do wireless bridging.
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
 angu...@geoapps.com wrote:

 On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

  I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
  running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
  over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance
 is
  a bit over 100 yds.

 I actually own a cantenna.

 Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just
 acting as
 a bridge?

 TIA


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Jon Harris
LinkSys/Cisco used to have directional antennas as an option which might get
you close.  I would guess other vendors have the same.  Another option would
be using a microwave link.  Cost is much higher but bandwidth with one of
these is also much higher.  Down side is high humidity or obstructions cause
major problems with any linkage.  Since you are in AZ you should be
relativity safe from the humidity issue.  Roof top to roof top mounts with
fiber up and down would most likely take care of most obstructions.

Jon Harris

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

 OT, but it's Friday.

 I need to set up a Wireless Repeater, or set up a wireless bridge to
 another building with a
 WiFi hotspot in the second building.  The buildings are about 100 yards
 apart, and there are
 some desert trees between them.

 Recommendations for gear welcome.

 TIA

 Angus


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Be careful with WDS and store-bought products.  While N connections work
extremely well, they typically do so at the expense of encryption.

There are a lot of products out there that suck ass for repeating -
especially when you are dealing with obstructions.

--
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On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

 OT, but it's Friday.

 I need to set up a Wireless Repeater, or set up a wireless bridge to
 another building with a
 WiFi hotspot in the second building.  The buildings are about 100 yards
 apart, and there are
 some desert trees between them.

 Recommendations for gear welcome.

 TIA

 Angus


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Jon Harris
So true.  Personally if the cost was not so high the microwave would be the
best but you really get what you pay for on that equipment.

Jon

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Be careful with WDS and store-bought products.  While N connections work
 extremely well, they typically do so at the expense of encryption.

 There are a lot of products out there that suck ass for repeating -
 especially when you are dealing with obstructions.

 --
 ME2






 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
 angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

 OT, but it's Friday.

 I need to set up a Wireless Repeater, or set up a wireless bridge to
 another building with a
 WiFi hotspot in the second building.  The buildings are about 100 yards
 apart, and there are
 some desert trees between them.

 Recommendations for gear welcome.

 TIA

 Angus


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Richard Stovall
I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/) hooked to WRT54GLs running
Tomato firmware at the school.  They've been rock solid for over a year and
a half.  There are no obstructions, but the distance is a bit over 100 yds.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

 OT, but it's Friday.

 I need to set up a Wireless Repeater, or set up a wireless bridge to
 another building with a
 WiFi hotspot in the second building.  The buildings are about 100 yards
 apart, and there are
 some desert trees between them.

 Recommendations for gear welcome.

 TIA

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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

 I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
 running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
 over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance is
 a bit over 100 yds. 

I actually own a cantenna.

Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just acting as 
a bridge?  

TIA


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Jonathan Link
Tomato and DD-WRT can do wireless bridging.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

 On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

  I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
  running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
  over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance is
  a bit over 100 yds.

 I actually own a cantenna.

 Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just acting as
 a bridge?

 TIA


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
But it doesnt neccessarily mean it can do it well. My experience with
Netgears running DD-WRT code isnt very good (bridging and AP'ing).

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On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 Tomato and DD-WRT can do wireless bridging.
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
 angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

 On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

  I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
  running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
  over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance is
  a bit over 100 yds.

 I actually own a cantenna.

 Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just acting as
 a bridge?

 TIA


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Richard Stovall
At the school they're only functioning as a bridge between two wired
segments.  I'm not sure if you can use the second antenna on each device for
local wireless, but I don't think so.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

 On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

  I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
  running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
  over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance is
  a bit over 100 yds.

 I actually own a cantenna.

 Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just acting as
 a bridge?

 TIA


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Re: OT: WiFi Repeater recommendations

2011-04-01 Thread Steven Peck
My experience with DD-WRT is that it fails at bridging.  The Linksys code
worked well.
I had a yaggi modifed cantannea I made using a can of baby forumla for a
year or two, but the inefficiencies were eventually defeated by days with
raid or high humidity so I caved and bought two 15 db directionals for $50
and they worked very well.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:

 But it doesnt neccessarily mean it can do it well. My experience with
 Netgears running DD-WRT code isnt very good (bridging and AP'ing).

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 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 Tomato and DD-WRT can do wireless bridging.
 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
 angu...@geoapps.comwrote:

 On 1 Apr 2011 at 18:27, Richard Stovall wrote:

  I've got two of these (http://www.cantenna.com/)hooked to WRT54GLs
  running Tomato firmware at the school. They've been rock solid for
  over a year and a half. There are no obstructions, but the distance is
  a bit over 100 yds.

 I actually own a cantenna.

 Do the WRT54GLs also act as WiFi access points, or are they just acting
 as
 a bridge?

 TIA


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