RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Ken Schaefer]

I have a Sony Vaio Z as my primary laptop. It has 4 x 64GB SSDs in a RAID0 
configuration. I've had it for 11 months now, and if there's been performance 
degradation (through lack of TRIM) it hasn't been enough for me to notice.

Cheers
Ken

From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gor...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 5:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I just recently purchased an OCZ Revodrive (version 1) -  
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-revodrive-pci-express-ssd.html

120GB, which is effectively a pair of 60GB SSDs in RAID0... RATED specs are 
read 540MB/s, write 480MB/s 75,000 IOPS

The newer X2 revision of the card is even faster!! - something like 740MB/s 
reads...

I can't speak to how much of that *theoretical* performance is actually 
achieved in practice, but what I *can* say is that it makes an absolutely huge 
difference to startup & app launch speeds... - from power on, my Win 7 Ultimate 
machine now takes longer to complete the BIOS POST than it does to run the 
entire Win7 bootup process to the point of presenting the "Press C-A-D to 
logon" message... somewhere between 15-20 seconds in total (about 8-10 seconds 
in the BIOS, around 8-10 seconds for boot).

The only "downside" - if there is one - is that AFAIK, no current RAID solution 
for SSDs supports TRIM through to the drives, so you have to make do without 
it. I did a lot of research because of this "issue" before I purchased, and 
read a lot of other user reviews, tech site reviews etc... and got the strong 
impression that overall, these drives really don't seem to suffer performance 
degradation over time as a result of the lack of TRIM... it seems the Sandforce 
controllers are very strong on their wear levelling anyway, plus the added 
expedient of keeping a good portion of that 120GB unused (it's only my C: 
drive, I have a 1TB HDD as well for bulk storage)

Only time will tell if that turns out to be the case, - but even if it did 
degrade, this thing is S fast, that I think even if performance halved it 
would still knock the pants of anything else!

Paul G.


From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 March 2011 18:45
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

40GB at US$89.  Wow.

"The new SSD doubles sequential write speeds from its second generation X25-M 
drive to 220MB/sec sequential writes. The drive simply maintains the read 
throughput rate of the X25-M at up to 270 MB/sec"

Is that pretty good in terms of SSD?  Curious if it's better to go this route, 
or get a PCI-X SSD card and forego the disk controller bottleneck.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I guess prices are dropping:

http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/intel-doubles-capacity-drops-price-in-ssd-refresh/142814?sub=29878&utm_source=29878&utm_medium=entinfra&utm_campaign=enews

Stefan
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sam Cayze 
mailto:sca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Wow.  I might bite the bullet and buy one.
Looking around, looks like I can get a PCI-X SSD card that is big enough for a 
boot drive+my docs for around $200.  I had no idea they were this cheap!

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

Someone opens Windows Media Player / iTunes / Media Monkey. If your music 
library is on your SSD, then populating the list of albums and cover art is 
near instantaneous.
Opening the "Recent Item" in Windows 7 (or the Start menu in previous versions) 
is instantaneous
Search in Outlook is instantaneous (as is Windows search)

There are many benefits to just putting everything except the most bulky 
storage onto an SSD. I even put my testing VMs on SSDs now (if I can)

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 8:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.
We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and those 
who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.
I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the 
other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be 
talking out of my hat.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus 
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use...

Cheers
Ken

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com<mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM

To: NT System

RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Paul Gordon]

I just recently purchased an OCZ Revodrive (version 1) -
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-revodrive-pci-express-ssd.html 

 

120GB, which is effectively a pair of 60GB SSDs in RAID0... RATED specs are
read 540MB/s, write 480MB/s 75,000 IOPS

 

The newer X2 revision of the card is even faster!! - something like 740MB/s
reads...

 

I can't speak to how much of that *theoretical* performance is actually
achieved in practice, but what I *can* say is that it makes an absolutely
huge difference to startup & app launch speeds... - from power on, my Win 7
Ultimate machine now takes longer to complete the BIOS POST than it does to
run the entire Win7 bootup process to the point of presenting the "Press
C-A-D to logon" message... somewhere between 15-20 seconds in total (about
8-10 seconds in the BIOS, around 8-10 seconds for boot).

 

The only "downside" - if there is one - is that AFAIK, no current RAID
solution for SSDs supports TRIM through to the drives, so you have to make
do without it. I did a lot of research because of this "issue" before I
purchased, and read a lot of other user reviews, tech site reviews etc...
and got the strong impression that overall, these drives really don't seem
to suffer performance degradation over time as a result of the lack of
TRIM... it seems the Sandforce controllers are very strong on their wear
levelling anyway, plus the added expedient of keeping a good portion of that
120GB unused (it's only my C: drive, I have a 1TB HDD as well for bulk
storage)

 

Only time will tell if that turns out to be the case, - but even if it did
degrade, this thing is S fast, that I think even if performance halved
it would still knock the pants of anything else!

 

Paul G.

 

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 29 March 2011 18:45
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

40GB at US$89.  Wow.

 

"The new SSD doubles sequential write speeds from its second generation
X25-M drive to 220MB/sec sequential writes. The drive simply maintains the
read throughput rate of the X25-M at up to 270 MB/sec"

 

Is that pretty good in terms of SSD?  Curious if it's better to go this
route, or get a PCI-X SSD card and forego the disk controller bottleneck.

 

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

I guess prices are dropping:

 

http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/intel-doubles-capacity-drops-price-in-ssd-
refresh/142814?sub=29878
<http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/intel-doubles-capacity-drops-price-in-ssd
-refresh/142814?sub=29878&utm_source=29878&utm_medium=entinfra&utm_campaign=
enews> &utm_source=29878&utm_medium=entinfra&utm_campaign=enews


Stefan

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

Wow.  I might bite the bullet and buy one.

Looking around, looks like I can get a PCI-X SSD card that is big enough for
a boot drive+my docs for around $200.  I had no idea they were this cheap!

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

Someone opens Windows Media Player / iTunes / Media Monkey. If your music
library is on your SSD, then populating the list of albums and cover art is
near instantaneous. 

Opening the "Recent Item" in Windows 7 (or the Start menu in previous
versions) is instantaneous

Search in Outlook is instantaneous (as is Windows search)

 

There are many benefits to just putting everything except the most bulky
storage onto an SSD. I even put my testing VMs on SSDs now (if I can)

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 8:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.

We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and those
who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.

I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the
other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be
talking out of my hat.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it
so much.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

Why?

 

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

 

Cheers

RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Sam Cayze]

40GB at US$89.  Wow.

 

"The new SSD doubles sequential write speeds from its second generation
X25-M drive to 220MB/sec sequential writes. The drive simply maintains the
read throughput rate of the X25-M at up to 270 MB/sec"

 

Is that pretty good in terms of SSD?  Curious if it's better to go this
route, or get a PCI-X SSD card and forego the disk controller bottleneck.

 

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

I guess prices are dropping:

 

http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/intel-doubles-capacity-drops-price-in-ssd-
refresh/142814?sub=29878
<http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/intel-doubles-capacity-drops-price-in-ssd
-refresh/142814?sub=29878&utm_source=29878&utm_medium=entinfra&utm_campaign=
enews> &utm_source=29878&utm_medium=entinfra&utm_campaign=enews


Stefan

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

Wow.  I might bite the bullet and buy one.

Looking around, looks like I can get a PCI-X SSD card that is big enough for
a boot drive+my docs for around $200.  I had no idea they were this cheap!

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

Someone opens Windows Media Player / iTunes / Media Monkey. If your music
library is on your SSD, then populating the list of albums and cover art is
near instantaneous. 

Opening the "Recent Item" in Windows 7 (or the Start menu in previous
versions) is instantaneous

Search in Outlook is instantaneous (as is Windows search)

 

There are many benefits to just putting everything except the most bulky
storage onto an SSD. I even put my testing VMs on SSDs now (if I can)

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 8:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.

We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and those
who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.

I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the
other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be
talking out of my hat.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it
so much.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

Why?

 

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any
applications to a standard drive.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
wrote:

Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write
performances of these things with each new controller.

 

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.

 

 

From: Ames Matthew B (REST) [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com] 
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27 

 

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs 

 

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

 

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a
mechanical disk.

 

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Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Stefan Jafs]

I guess prices are dropping:

http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/intel-doubles-capacity-drops-price-in-ssd-refresh/142814?sub=29878&utm_source=29878&utm_medium=entinfra&utm_campaign=enews

Stefan
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

> Wow.  I might bite the bullet and buy one.
>
> Looking around, looks like I can get a PCI-X SSD card that is big enough
> for a boot drive+my docs for around $200.  I had no idea they were this
> cheap!
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 8:09 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> Someone opens Windows Media Player / iTunes / Media Monkey. If your music
> library is on your SSD, then populating the list of albums and cover art is
> near instantaneous.
>
> Opening the “Recent Item” in Windows 7 (or the Start menu in previous
> versions) is instantaneous
>
> Search in Outlook is instantaneous (as is Windows search)
>
>
>
> There are many benefits to just putting everything except the most bulky
> storage onto an SSD. I even put my testing VMs on SSDs now (if I can)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 28 March 2011 8:55 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.
>
> We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and
> those who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.
>
> I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the
> other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be
> talking out of my hat.
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
> Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy
> plus resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use…
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it
> so much.
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
> Why?
>
>
>
> I’d put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can – the performance difference
> between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any
> applications to a standard drive.
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
> wrote:
>
> Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive
> if you can, as they’re coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write
> performances of these things with each new controller.
>
>
>
> For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s
> writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s
> writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that’s just been released with the latest
> Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ames Matthew B (REST) [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
> *Sent:* 25 March 2011 10:27
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future
> proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.
>
>
>
> My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current
> 750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast
> boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk
> files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a
> mechanical disk.
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Sam Cayze]

Wow.  I might bite the bullet and buy one.

Looking around, looks like I can get a PCI-X SSD card that is big enough for
a boot drive+my docs for around $200.  I had no idea they were this cheap!

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

Someone opens Windows Media Player / iTunes / Media Monkey. If your music
library is on your SSD, then populating the list of albums and cover art is
near instantaneous. 

Opening the "Recent Item" in Windows 7 (or the Start menu in previous
versions) is instantaneous

Search in Outlook is instantaneous (as is Windows search)

 

There are many benefits to just putting everything except the most bulky
storage onto an SSD. I even put my testing VMs on SSDs now (if I can)

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 8:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.

We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and those
who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.

I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the
other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be
talking out of my hat.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it
so much.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

Why?

 

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any
applications to a standard drive.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
wrote:

Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write
performances of these things with each new controller.

 

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.

 

 

From: Ames Matthew B (REST) [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com] 
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs 

 

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

 

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a
mechanical disk.

 

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Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Jonathan Link]

On BSD! :-)

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:55 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> > I’m of the mindset that SCSI/SAS is becoming superfluous – as soon as
> $/Gb
> > for good SSD is less than $/Gb of SAS then what do you need SAS for?
> There
> > is probably some big DB / multiple concurrent user area where SAS will be
> > better I’m guessing though. Thoughts?
>
>  SCSI evolved into a whole family of standards a long time ago.  SPI
> (SCSI Parallel Interface) has been obsolete for a while now, really.
>  SAS does have some things over SATA (longer distances, more
> consistent implementation of hotswap, maybe some other stuff I
> forgot), but for the most part SATA is good enough for almost
> everything.  But even then, SATA borrows several things from other
> SCSI standards.  SATA and SAS are so similar it's hard to tell them
> apart at times.  One could argue that SATA is as much SCSI as it is
> "AT Attachment".  Your optical SATA drive almost certainly uses the
> SCSI MMC command set, for example.  And then there's iSCSI.  Cheap
> SATA disks on a standard mobo, exported via iSCSI.
>
>  In other words: SCSI is dead, long live SCSI.  :-)
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:55 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> I’m of the mindset that SCSI/SAS is becoming superfluous – as soon as $/Gb
> for good SSD is less than $/Gb of SAS then what do you need SAS for? There
> is probably some big DB / multiple concurrent user area where SAS will be
> better I’m guessing though. Thoughts?

  SCSI evolved into a whole family of standards a long time ago.  SPI
(SCSI Parallel Interface) has been obsolete for a while now, really.
 SAS does have some things over SATA (longer distances, more
consistent implementation of hotswap, maybe some other stuff I
forgot), but for the most part SATA is good enough for almost
everything.  But even then, SATA borrows several things from other
SCSI standards.  SATA and SAS are so similar it's hard to tell them
apart at times.  One could argue that SATA is as much SCSI as it is
"AT Attachment".  Your optical SATA drive almost certainly uses the
SCSI MMC command set, for example.  And then there's iSCSI.  Cheap
SATA disks on a standard mobo, exported via iSCSI.

  In other words: SCSI is dead, long live SCSI.  :-)

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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Ken Schaefer]

SAS is just a bus - you can have an SSD drive that has a SAS connector, and is 
connected to a SAS backplane...

Cheers
Ken

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2011 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I'm of the mindset that SCSI/SAS is becoming superfluous - as soon as $/Gb for 
good SSD is less than $/Gb of SAS then what do you need SAS for? There is 
probably some big DB / multiple concurrent user area where SAS will be better 
I'm guessing though. Thoughts?

Dave

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

Someone opens Windows Media Player / iTunes / Media Monkey. If your music 
library is on your SSD, then populating the list of albums and cover art is 
near instantaneous.
Opening the "Recent Item" in Windows 7 (or the Start menu in previous versions) 
is instantaneous
Search in Outlook is instantaneous (as is Windows search)

There are many benefits to just putting everything except the most bulky 
storage onto an SSD. I even put my testing VMs on SSDs now (if I can)

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 8:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.
We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and those 
who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.
I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the 
other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be 
talking out of my hat.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus 
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use...

Cheers
Ken




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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[David Lum]

I'm of the mindset that SCSI/SAS is becoming superfluous - as soon as $/Gb for 
good SSD is less than $/Gb of SAS then what do you need SAS for? There is 
probably some big DB / multiple concurrent user area where SAS will be better 
I'm guessing though. Thoughts?

Dave

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

Someone opens Windows Media Player / iTunes / Media Monkey. If your music 
library is on your SSD, then populating the list of albums and cover art is 
near instantaneous.
Opening the "Recent Item" in Windows 7 (or the Start menu in previous versions) 
is instantaneous
Search in Outlook is instantaneous (as is Windows search)

There are many benefits to just putting everything except the most bulky 
storage onto an SSD. I even put my testing VMs on SSDs now (if I can)

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 8:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.
We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and those 
who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.
I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the 
other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be 
talking out of my hat.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus 
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use...

Cheers
Ken

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com<mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it so 
much.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why?

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference 
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any 
applications to a standard drive.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
mailto:steve.burk...@stemcor.com>> wrote:
Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if 
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write 
performances of these things with each new controller.

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s 
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s 
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest 
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.


From: Ames Matthew B (REST) 
[mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com<mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>]
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future 
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current 
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast 
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk 
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a 
mechanical disk.



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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Ken Schaefer]

Someone opens Windows Media Player / iTunes / Media Monkey. If your music 
library is on your SSD, then populating the list of albums and cover art is 
near instantaneous.
Opening the "Recent Item" in Windows 7 (or the Start menu in previous versions) 
is instantaneous
Search in Outlook is instantaneous (as is Windows search)

There are many benefits to just putting everything except the most bulky 
storage onto an SSD. I even put my testing VMs on SSDs now (if I can)

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 8:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.
We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and those 
who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.
I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the 
other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be 
talking out of my hat.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus 
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use...

Cheers
Ken

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com<mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it so 
much.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why?

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference 
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any 
applications to a standard drive.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
mailto:steve.burk...@stemcor.com>> wrote:
Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if 
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write 
performances of these things with each new controller.

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s 
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s 
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest 
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.


From: Ames Matthew B (REST) 
[mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com<mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>]
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future 
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current 
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast 
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk 
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a 
mechanical disk.



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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Ken Schaefer]

For booting it will be significantly faster than a 15k RPM drive. Anything that 
involves lots of small reads will be much faster (due to no latency in 
accessing files)

Cheers
Ken

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 11:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I attended a presentation last week on SSD for high utilization servers, and it 
was quite impressive.  They had me convinced SSD technology has a come along 
way; MLC technology and the amount of redundant storage built into the 'good' 
SDD add-ons makes them last quite longer than before.  The presented a SSD card 
for servers that handles an INSANE amount of RW activity that will last about 
7-10 years.  Doing a little research on SSD afterwards made my quite aware that 
there is an unfair stigma still floating around due to past issues with SSDs; 
but it seems those issues have been addressed.

It seems most good cards now have lifespan alerting built into them too, so 
it's not like they just die; they warn you far ahead of time.  And even if they 
do die, they just turn read only and the loss of data is near impossible.

I would love to get one in my workstation; curious about the comparison to the 
15K RPM boot drive I have in there :)

-Sam

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus 
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use...

Cheers
Ken

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it so 
much.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why?

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference 
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any 
applications to a standard drive.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
mailto:steve.burk...@stemcor.com>> wrote:
Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if 
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write 
performances of these things with each new controller.

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s 
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s 
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest 
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.


From: Ames Matthew B (REST) 
[mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com<mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>]
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future 
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current 
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast 
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk 
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a 
mechanical disk.

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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Sam Cayze]

I attended a presentation last week on SSD for high utilization servers, and
it was quite impressive.  They had me convinced SSD technology has a come
along way; MLC technology and the amount of redundant storage built into the
'good' SDD add-ons makes them last quite longer than before.  The presented
a SSD card for servers that handles an INSANE amount of RW activity that
will last about 7-10 years.  Doing a little research on SSD afterwards made
my quite aware that there is an unfair stigma still floating around due to
past issues with SSDs; but it seems those issues have been addressed.

 

It seems most good cards now have lifespan alerting built into them too, so
it's not like they just die; they warn you far ahead of time.  And even if
they do die, they just turn read only and the loss of data is near
impossible.

 

I would love to get one in my workstation; curious about the comparison to
the 15K RPM boot drive I have in there :)

 

-Sam

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it
so much.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

Why?

 

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

 

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any
applications to a standard drive.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
wrote:

Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write
performances of these things with each new controller.

 

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.

 

 

From: Ames Matthew B (REST) [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com] 
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs 

 

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

 

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a
mechanical disk.

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Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Jonathan Link]

I would suspect that those of us on this list aren't the standard consumer.
We tend to fall into two types, those who become Luddites at home, and those
who manage sophisticated infrastructures at home.
I think significant time savings can be gained by having the OS on SSD, the
other stuff doesn't seem to need the same level of speed, but I could be
talking out of my hat.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy
> plus resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use…
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it
> so much.
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
> Why?
>
>
>
> I’d put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can – the performance difference
> between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any
> applications to a standard drive.
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
> wrote:
>
> Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive
> if you can, as they’re coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write
> performances of these things with each new controller.
>
>
>
> For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s
> writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s
> writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that’s just been released with the latest
> Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ames Matthew B (REST) [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
> *Sent:* 25 March 2011 10:27
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future
> proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.
>
>
>
> My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current
> 750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast
> boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk
> files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a
> mechanical disk.
>
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>
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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Ken Schaefer]

Fair enough. However it seems that any modern SSD has enough redundancy plus 
resiliency to survive tens of years of consumer use...

Cheers
Ken

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 March 2011 5:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it so 
much.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why?

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference 
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any 
applications to a standard drive.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
mailto:steve.burk...@stemcor.com>> wrote:
Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if 
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write 
performances of these things with each new controller.

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s 
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s 
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest 
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.


From: Ames Matthew B (REST) 
[mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com<mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>]
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future 
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current 
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast 
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk 
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a 
mechanical disk.

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Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Rene de Haas]

True, I imagine they are trying to make it last longer by not writing to it
so much.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  Why?
>
>
>
> I’d put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can – the performance difference
> between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any
> applications to a standard drive.
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
> wrote:
>
> Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive
> if you can, as they’re coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write
> performances of these things with each new controller.
>
>
>
> For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s
> writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s
> writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that’s just been released with the latest
> Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ames Matthew B (REST) [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
> *Sent:* 25 March 2011 10:27
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future
> proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.
>
>
>
> My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current
> 750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast
> boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk
> files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a
> mechanical disk.
>
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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Bob Fronk]

I replaced the drives in my both Dell M6500 notebooks with two 512GB SSD 
drives.  The performance difference was VERY noticeable.  I didn't have any 
benchmarks, but the difference was worth it for me.

(Yes, they were about $1200 each)

BF

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

Why?

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference 
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any 
applications to a standard drive.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
mailto:steve.burk...@stemcor.com>> wrote:
Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if 
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write 
performances of these things with each new controller.

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s 
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s 
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest 
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.


From: Ames Matthew B (REST) 
[mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com<mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>]
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future 
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current 
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast 
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk 
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a 
mechanical disk.

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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Ken Schaefer]

Why?

I'd put as much stuff onto the SSD as you can - the performance difference 
between an SSD and a mechanical drive is simply unbelievable.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any 
applications to a standard drive.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett 
mailto:steve.burk...@stemcor.com>> wrote:
Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if 
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write 
performances of these things with each new controller.

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s 
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s 
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest 
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.


From: Ames Matthew B (REST) 
[mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com<mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>]
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future 
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current 
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast 
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk 
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a 
mechanical disk.

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Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Jonathan Link]

And, I would make it only for the OS, moving the user profile(s) and any
applications to a standard drive.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Steve Burkett wrote:

>  Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive
> if you can, as they’re coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write
> performances of these things with each new controller.
>
>
>
> For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s
> writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s
> writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that’s just been released with the latest
> Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ames Matthew B (REST) [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
> *Sent:* 25 March 2011 10:27
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
>
>
> I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future
> proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.
>
>
>
> My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current
> 750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast
> boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk
> files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a
> mechanical disk.
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es]
> *Sent:* 25 March 2011 09:53
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
>
> Maybe I'm wrong (I haven't played with SSD yet) but my understanding from a
> talk I got from Netapp engineers is that the lifetime of a SSD can be easily
> 3-4 years for their appliances so I assume SSDs for commercial PCs probably
> endure less time. If you do intensive writings on it, you can extenuate its
> lifetime very quick (swap files do very intensive writings on disks).
>
> I'd recommend him to buy a small SSD (maybe 20-30 Gb) and I'd put *only*
> the OS and maybe some software in the SSD and the rest (data + swap file) in
> a regular HD. SSD is probably going to get less writes than regular files
> and the swap file and the real gain is to run the OS and the software much
> quicker.
>
> Miguel
>
>
>
> --- El *vie, 25/3/11, James Rankin * escribió:
>
>
> De: James Rankin 
> Asunto: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
> Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Fecha: viernes, 25 de marzo, 2011 05:40
>
> I have a friend who is a bit of a techno-philehe is looking to replace
> his PC, and was after something cool and unique (I talked him out of the
> idea of getting an iMac). He's also kind of set on the idea of getting a PC
> with solid state drives, as he thinks this would put him further along the
> cool wall also. I think his budget is around £1000-1500.
>
> Socan anyone a) recommend anywhere that sells PCs with SSDs, as I can't
> seem to find very many when browsing about, or would the SSDs generally have
> to be purchased separately and fitted to a PC, and b) where are the places
> that do the coolest, funkiest PCs? Alienware sprang to mind but I've heard a
> lot of conflicting stories about them, and I always thought they were
> generally aimed at gamers. For the record, my friend just wants his PC for
> web browsing, downloading, doing his accounts - nothing highly specialised.
> I'd also like to be able to just point him at a website where he could get
> something pre-built - I've got enough work to do chasing after my two
> two-year-olds and I'd rather not get involved in building him a system :-)
>
> As always, TIA
>
>
>
> JRR
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
>
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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Steve Burkett]

Whatever ya do, make sure you get the latest model available of the drive if 
you can, as they're coming on leaps and bounds with the read and write 
performances of these things with each new controller.

For instance the original OCZ Vertex drives could do 230MB/s read & 135MB/s 
writes, the Vertex 2 model for the same price can do 285MB/s read & 275MB/s 
writes, and the Vertex 3 drive that's just been released with the latest 
Sandforce controller can now do up to 500MB/s read and 500MB/s writes.


From: Ames Matthew B (REST) [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:27
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future 
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.

My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current 
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast 
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk 
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a 
mechanical disk.


From: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es]
Sent: 25 March 2011 09:53
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
Maybe I'm wrong (I haven't played with SSD yet) but my understanding from a 
talk I got from Netapp engineers is that the lifetime of a SSD can be easily 
3-4 years for their appliances so I assume SSDs for commercial PCs probably 
endure less time. If you do intensive writings on it, you can extenuate its 
lifetime very quick (swap files do very intensive writings on disks).

I'd recommend him to buy a small SSD (maybe 20-30 Gb) and I'd put *only* the OS 
and maybe some software in the SSD and the rest (data + swap file) in a regular 
HD. SSD is probably going to get less writes than regular files and the swap 
file and the real gain is to run the OS and the software much quicker.

Miguel



--- El vie, 25/3/11, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> escribió:

De: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Asunto: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Fecha: viernes, 25 de marzo, 2011 05:40
I have a friend who is a bit of a techno-philehe is looking to replace his 
PC, and was after something cool and unique (I talked him out of the idea of 
getting an iMac). He's also kind of set on the idea of getting a PC with solid 
state drives, as he thinks this would put him further along the cool wall also. 
I think his budget is around £1000-1500.

Socan anyone a) recommend anywhere that sells PCs with SSDs, as I can't 
seem to find very many when browsing about, or would the SSDs generally have to 
be purchased separately and fitted to a PC, and b) where are the places that do 
the coolest, funkiest PCs? Alienware sprang to mind but I've heard a lot of 
conflicting stories about them, and I always thought they were generally aimed 
at gamers. For the record, my friend just wants his PC for web browsing, 
downloading, doing his accounts - nothing highly specialised. I'd also like to 
be able to just point him at a website where he could get something pre-built - 
I've got enough work to do chasing after my two two-year-olds and I'd rather 
not get involved in building him a system :-)

As always, TIA



JRR

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RE: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Ames Matthew B (REST)]

I have ordered an SSD (I was greedy and went for the 128GB - thing future 
proofing!) for my slightly aging machine.
 
My plan was to install the OS + Apps onto.  I would then retain my current 
750GB disk for data, temp, profiles, pagefiles, etc.  This I should get fast 
boot/app load but not kill the SSD.  As I run a few VMs I figured the vmdk 
files could reside on the SSD, and the pagefiles for them to be pointed to a 
mechanical disk.



From: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es] 
Sent: 25 March 2011 09:53
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs


Maybe I'm wrong (I haven't played with SSD yet) but my understanding from a 
talk I got from Netapp engineers is that the lifetime of a SSD can be easily 
3-4 years for their appliances so I assume SSDs for commercial PCs probably 
endure less time. If you do intensive writings on it, you can extenuate its 
lifetime very quick (swap files do very intensive writings on disks).

I'd recommend him to buy a small SSD (maybe 20-30 Gb) and I'd put *only* the OS 
and maybe some software in the SSD and the rest (data + swap file) in a regular 
HD. SSD is probably going to get less writes than regular files and the swap 
file and the real gain is to run the OS and the software much quicker.

Miguel



--- El vie, 25/3/11, James Rankin  escribió:



De: James Rankin 
Asunto: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Fecha: viernes, 25 de marzo, 2011 05:40


I have a friend who is a bit of a techno-philehe is looking to 
replace his PC, and was after something cool and unique (I talked him out of 
the idea of getting an iMac). He's also kind of set on the idea of getting a PC 
with solid state drives, as he thinks this would put him further along the cool 
wall also. I think his budget is around £1000-1500.

Socan anyone a) recommend anywhere that sells PCs with SSDs, as I 
can't seem to find very many when browsing about, or would the SSDs generally 
have to be purchased separately and fitted to a PC, and b) where are the places 
that do the coolest, funkiest PCs? Alienware sprang to mind but I've heard a 
lot of conflicting stories about them, and I always thought they were generally 
aimed at gamers. For the record, my friend just wants his PC for web browsing, 
downloading, doing his accounts - nothing highly specialised. I'd also like to 
be able to just point him at a website where he could get something pre-built - 
I've got enough work to do chasing after my two two-year-olds and I'd rather 
not get involved in building him a system :-)

As always, TIA



JRR

-- 
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into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able 
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a 
question."

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Re: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs

[Miguel Gonzalez]

Maybe I'm wrong (I haven't played with SSD yet) but my understanding from a 
talk I got from Netapp engineers is that the lifetime of a SSD can be easily 
3-4 years for their appliances so I assume SSDs for commercial PCs probably 
endure less time. If you do intensive writings on it, you can extenuate its 
lifetime very quick (swap files do very intensive writings on disks).

I'd recommend him to buy a small SSD (maybe 20-30 Gb) and I'd put *only* the OS 
and maybe some software in the SSD and the rest (data + swap file) in a regular 
HD. SSD is probably going to get less writes than regular files and the swap 
file and the real gain is to run the OS and the software much quicker.

Miguel



--- El vie, 25/3/11, James Rankin  escribió:

De: James Rankin 
Asunto: OTish: SSDs and cool PCs
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Fecha: viernes, 25 de marzo, 2011 05:40

I have a friend who is a bit of a techno-philehe is looking to replace his 
PC, and was after something cool and unique (I talked him out of the idea of 
getting an iMac). He's also kind of set on the idea of getting a PC with solid 
state drives, as he thinks this would put him further along the cool wall also. 
I think his budget is around £1000-1500.


Socan anyone a) recommend anywhere that sells PCs with SSDs, as I can't 
seem to find very many when browsing about, or would the SSDs generally have to 
be purchased separately and fitted to a PC, and b) where are the places that do 
the coolest, funkiest PCs? Alienware sprang to mind but I've heard a lot of 
conflicting stories about them, and I always thought they were generally aimed 
at gamers. For the record, my friend just wants his PC for web browsing, 
downloading, doing his accounts - nothing highly specialised. I'd also like to 
be able to just point him at a website where he could get something pre-built - 
I've got enough work to do chasing after my two two-year-olds and I'd rather 
not get involved in building him a system :-)


As always, TIA



JRR

-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."


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