RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
And hardware DEP (which AMD and Intel call different things). Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi wouldn't even try to install on my ECS NFORCE6M-A(3.0) w/Phenom 9600. Told me the system wasn't recognized less than 2 minutes after booting the CD. HVS08, no problem. Maybe ESXi will run on specific cheap hardware, but Hyper-V will run on ANY cheap hardware that supports Vista 64-bit and virtual extensions. Carl -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
Yup, indeed it does. Also, there is no comparison between any version of ESX HyPer-V At the moment, ESX wins hands down on all fronts. MS will probably catch up in around 10 years. S -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
Be careful.. We are not talking about ESX and Hyperv here. Anyone with half a brain knows there is no contest between the two overall. We are talking strictly about ESXi and HyperV Greg -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Yup, indeed it does. Also, there is no comparison between any version of ESX HyPer-V At the moment, ESX wins hands down on all fronts. MS will probably catch up in around 10 years. S -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
ESXi wouldn't even try to install on my ECS NFORCE6M-A(3.0) w/Phenom 9600. Told me the system wasn't recognized less than 2 minutes after booting the CD. HVS08, no problem. Maybe ESXi will run on specific cheap hardware, but Hyper-V will run on ANY cheap hardware that supports Vista 64-bit and virtual extensions. Carl -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
In addition. Most of the objects exposed in the VI API leveraged by PowerShell functionality is read only and therefore extremely limited in ESXi. It will only do reporting and that is pretty much it. ref: http://halr9000.com/article/612 Steven Peck On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Carl Houseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ESXi wouldn't even try to install on my ECS NFORCE6M-A(3.0) w/Phenom 9600. Told me the system wasn't recognized less than 2 minutes after booting the CD. HVS08, no problem. Maybe ESXi will run on specific cheap hardware, but Hyper-V will run on ANY cheap hardware that supports Vista 64-bit and virtual extensions. Carl -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
