RE: Space and Beyond:
We're going to need a bigger boat^H^H^H^H Deep Space Network -sc -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Space and Beyond: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: 11 billion miles away is a large distance... Astronomically far away, even. And yet, Alpha Centari is about 25,671 billion miles away (if my (and Google's) math is right). -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Space and Beyond:
I'm going to use this the next time I am in the car with my wife and we are lost... We are simply in a new region that is completely different than what we thought. Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE26F1.4A9537B0] From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Space and Beyond: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/20/science/la-sci-voyager-20130321 http://xkcd.com/1189/ Read them in any order :) Hope you enjoy... (Voyager has computers, in case you're wondering) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
RE: Space and Beyond:
Cool. Has me wondering if amateurs could tune in to the broadcasts from Voyager. Also, I'm not sure how much instruction it receives, but it seems like there could be some interesting hacking opportunities. How secure could 35 year old technology be? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Space and Beyond: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/20/science/la-sci-voyager-20130321 http://xkcd.com/1189/ Read them in any order :) Hope you enjoy... (Voyager has computers, in case you're wondering) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Space and Beyond:
You missed this tidbit http://www.startrek.com/database_article/vger On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/20/science/la-sci-voyager-20130321 http://xkcd.com/1189/ Read them in any order :) Hope you enjoy... (Voyager has computers, in case you're wondering) *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Thank you, Mike Sullivan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Space and Beyond:
Did xkcd count the Star Trek movie in the # of time Voyager I left the solar system? Thanks Webster From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Space and Beyond: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/20/science/la-sci-voyager-20130321 http://xkcd.com/1189/ Read them in any order :) Hope you enjoy... (Voyager has computers, in case you're wondering) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Space and Beyond:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote: Cool. Has me wondering if amateurs could tune in to the broadcasts from Voyager. Also, I’m not sure how much instruction it receives, but it seems like there could be some interesting hacking opportunities. How secure could 35 year old technology be? Also, where are you gonna find 35 year old documentation, to figure out where and how you can exploit it? :-) These days, the data stream is probably encrypted, and maybe has some sort of authentication handshake first. There may be something similar back then - you wouldn't want the Russians to break in and jam your signals or whatever, even back then. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Space and Beyond: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/20/science/la-sci-voyager-20130321 http://xkcd.com/1189/ Read them in any order :) Hope you enjoy... (Voyager has computers, in case you're wondering) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Space and Beyond:
When I was a teenager and a ham radio operator we would have fun by tuning into Voyager and other transmissions. It was doable then even with hastily constructed directional antennas. If I remember correctly, the Voyager radio is about 25 watts. With good antennas, that is easily enough for EVM space, except during conjunctions. However, from 11 billion miles away, as SC says, that takes something with the sensitivity of the DSN. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: The S/N ratio is such that you'd need access dishes the size/sensitivity of the Deep Space Network. So the real issue would be hacking the ground-stations to get access to the equipment... unless you have a global array of 30+ meter dishes lying around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Network -sc From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: Cool. Has me wondering if amateurs could tune in to the broadcasts from Voyager. Also, I'm not sure how much instruction it receives, but it seems like there could be some interesting hacking opportunities. How secure could 35 year old technology be? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Space and Beyond: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/20/science/la-sci-voyager-20130321 http://xkcd.com/1189/ Read them in any order :) Hope you enjoy... (Voyager has computers, in case you're wondering) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Space and Beyond:
Undoubtedly... HAM's regularly communicate with nearer objects such as the ISS or the Shuttle. Even moon-bounce is doable at amateur levels. 11 billion miles away is a large distance... The sensitivity of our deep-space tracking antennas located around the world is truly amazing. The antennas must capture Voyager information from a signal so weak that the power striking the antenna is only 10 exponent -16 watts (1 part in 10 quadrillion). A modern-day electronic digital watch operates at a power level 20 billion times greater than this feeble level. http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/didyouknow.html -sc From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: When I was a teenager and a ham radio operator we would have fun by tuning into Voyager and other transmissions. It was doable then even with hastily constructed directional antennas. If I remember correctly, the Voyager radio is about 25 watts. With good antennas, that is easily enough for EVM space, except during conjunctions. However, from 11 billion miles away, as SC says, that takes something with the sensitivity of the DSN. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: The S/N ratio is such that you'd need access dishes the size/sensitivity of the Deep Space Network. So the real issue would be hacking the ground-stations to get access to the equipment... unless you have a global array of 30+ meter dishes lying around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Network -sc From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: Cool. Has me wondering if amateurs could tune in to the broadcasts from Voyager. Also, I'm not sure how much instruction it receives, but it seems like there could be some interesting hacking opportunities. How secure could 35 year old technology be? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Space and Beyond: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/20/science/la-sci-voyager-20130321 http://xkcd.com/1189/ Read them in any order :) Hope you enjoy... (Voyager has computers, in case you're wondering) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Space and Beyond:
Pretty fantastic stuff. Boggles the mind, really. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: Undoubtedly... HAM's regularly communicate with nearer objects such as the ISS or the Shuttle. Even moon-bounce is doable at amateur levels. 11 billion miles away is a large distance... The sensitivity of our deep-space tracking antennas located around the world is truly amazing. The antennas must capture Voyager information from a signal so weak that the power striking the antenna is only 10 exponent -16 watts (1 part in 10 quadrillion). A modern-day electronic digital watch operates at a power level 20 billion times greater than this feeble level. http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/didyouknow.html -sc From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: When I was a teenager and a ham radio operator we would have fun by tuning into Voyager and other transmissions. It was doable then even with hastily constructed directional antennas. If I remember correctly, the Voyager radio is about 25 watts. With good antennas, that is easily enough for EVM space, except during conjunctions. However, from 11 billion miles away, as SC says, that takes something with the sensitivity of the DSN. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: The S/N ratio is such that you'd need access dishes the size/sensitivity of the Deep Space Network. So the real issue would be hacking the ground-stations to get access to the equipment... unless you have a global array of 30+ meter dishes lying around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Network -sc From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Space and Beyond: Cool. Has me wondering if amateurs could tune in to the broadcasts from Voyager. Also, I'm not sure how much instruction it receives, but it seems like there could be some interesting hacking opportunities. How secure could 35 year old technology be? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Space and Beyond: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/20/science/la-sci-voyager-20130321 http://xkcd.com/1189/ Read them in any order :) Hope you enjoy... (Voyager has computers, in case you're wondering) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
