RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
Gotcha, figured as much but never looked 'er up. Thx, Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout KMS That's the central point, rather than every system activating independently. Similar to the WSUS vs individual Windows/Microsoft Update connections ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Don Guyer don.gu...@prufoxroach.com wrote: I'd like to know if it contacts MS from the workstation or the KMS box, to give them that count. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Didn't mean to imply differently. In licensing matters, it's usually best to assume someone is watching all the time :-) -Malcolm From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 14:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout But, once you start activating them, check out the count that now shows up under your MVLS website. Someone's watching you... J Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout The KMS has no idea about how many licenses you own. All it does is act as an internal activation service. -Malcolm From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 13:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
Call me stupid the Friday before a long weekend, but I'm not following. When I look at our license numbers on MVLS, it actually says 25/1000, for instance, next to the license info. Something has to be updating that number, whether it be the KMS server or workstation itself, right? Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Neither, the count is from the MAK. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout I'd like to know if it contacts MS from the workstation or the KMS box, to give them that count. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Didn't mean to imply differently. In licensing matters, it's usually best to assume someone is watching all the time :-) -Malcolm From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 14:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout But, once you start activating them, check out the count that now shows up under your MVLS website. Someone's watching you... J Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout The KMS has no idea about how many licenses you own. All it does is act as an internal activation service. -Malcolm From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 13:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
Windows 7 Professional gives you downgrade rights to both XP Pro and Vista Business: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/downgrade_rights.aspx These days I don't buy anything without Windows 7 Pro. On 9/2/2010 1:19 PM, Tom Miller wrote: So with Windows 7 and licensing, what do you folks do? I don't want to have issues with activation down the road. And we always put our image on PCs/laptops as they arrive. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
We just started this process and at the moment have been using the MAK keys (Windows 7 and Office 2010). Once I have more time to setup KMS, we'll switch over to that. We don't do imaging (will at some point) and installed via a network location for both. _ Cameron Cooper Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Folks, I'm new to the Windows 7 licensing scheme as we are just starting to move our corporate to Windows 7. With Windows XP we purchased a license when we procured the workstations. Then we would use our image with our corporate volume key. This way we had the license and the key. So with Windows 7 and licensing, what do you folks do? I don't want to have issues with activation down the road. And we always put our image on PCs/laptops as they arrive. Thanks, Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
We also went with Windows 7 Pro Upgrade volume licensing and the same for Office. _ Cameron Cooper Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout)
I looked at the chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions I think that AppLocker and multi-display Terminal Services for desktops, and those plus BitLocker, BranchCache and Direct Access for laptops would make Enterprise *very* appealing. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:28, Cameron Cooper ccoo...@aurico.com wrote: We also went with Windows 7 Pro Upgrade volume licensing and the same for Office. _ Cameron Cooper Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
The KMS has no idea about how many licenses you own. All it does is act as an internal activation service. -Malcolm From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 13:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout)
I don't have the info in front of me, nor the time to Google it, but what's the cost difference? The obvious reasons I can see are not needing/using those extra features. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout) I looked at the chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions I think that AppLocker and multi-display Terminal Services for desktops, and those plus BitLocker, BranchCache and Direct Access for laptops would make Enterprise *very* appealing. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:28, Cameron Cooper ccoo...@aurico.com wrote: We also went with Windows 7 Pro Upgrade volume licensing and the same for Office. _ Cameron Cooper Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
But, once you start activating them, check out the count that now shows up under your MVLS website. Someone's watching you... J Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout The KMS has no idea about how many licenses you own. All it does is act as an internal activation service. -Malcolm From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 13:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout)
Don't know the cost difference yet - we're gathering data for an EA as I mash keys. However, with SA I'd expect the numbers to be not as far apart as I fear. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:56, Don Guyer don.gu...@prufoxroach.com wrote: I don't have the info in front of me, nor the time to Google it, but what's the cost difference? The obvious reasons I can see are not needing/using those extra features. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout) I looked at the chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions I think that AppLocker and multi-display Terminal Services for desktops, and those plus BitLocker, BranchCache and Direct Access for laptops would make Enterprise *very* appealing. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:28, Cameron Cooper ccoo...@aurico.com wrote: We also went with Windows 7 Pro Upgrade volume licensing and the same for Office. _ Cameron Cooper Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
Didn't mean to imply differently. In licensing matters, it's usually best to assume someone is watching all the time :-) -Malcolm From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 14:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout But, once you start activating them, check out the count that now shows up under your MVLS website. Someone's watching you. J Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout The KMS has no idea about how many licenses you own. All it does is act as an internal activation service. -Malcolm From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 13:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
I'd like to know if it contacts MS from the workstation or the KMS box, to give them that count. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Didn't mean to imply differently. In licensing matters, it's usually best to assume someone is watching all the time :-) -Malcolm From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 14:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout But, once you start activating them, check out the count that now shows up under your MVLS website. Someone's watching you... J Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout The KMS has no idea about how many licenses you own. All it does is act as an internal activation service. -Malcolm From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 13:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout)
Another nifty feature of Enterprise (and Ultimate) is true multi monitor support in RDP sessions if the client is running RDP 7. I haven't done this yet, but it's useful in theory. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Remote-Desktop-Connection-frequently-asked-questions http://blogs.msdn.com/b/rds/archive/2009/08/21/remote-desktop-connection-7-for-windows-7-windows-xp-windows-vista.aspx#9902608 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know the cost difference yet - we're gathering data for an EA as I mash keys. However, with SA I'd expect the numbers to be not as far apart as I fear. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:56, Don Guyer don.gu...@prufoxroach.com wrote: I don't have the info in front of me, nor the time to Google it, but what's the cost difference? The obvious reasons I can see are not needing/using those extra features. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout) I looked at the chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions I think that AppLocker and multi-display Terminal Services for desktops, and those plus BitLocker, BranchCache and Direct Access for laptops would make Enterprise *very* appealing. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:28, Cameron Cooper ccoo...@aurico.com wrote: We also went with Windows 7 Pro Upgrade volume licensing and the same for Office. _ Cameron Cooper Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
Re: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout)
As well IIRC UA is only available on Ent Ultimate John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families From: Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thu Sep 02 16:33:13 2010 Subject: Re: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout) Another nifty feature of Enterprise (and Ultimate) is true multi monitor support in RDP sessions if the client is running RDP 7. I haven't done this yet, but it's useful in theory. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Remote-Desktop-Connection-frequently-asked-questions http://blogs.msdn.com/b/rds/archive/2009/08/21/remote-desktop-connection-7-for-windows-7-windows-xp-windows-vista.aspx#9902608 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know the cost difference yet - we're gathering data for an EA as I mash keys. However, with SA I'd expect the numbers to be not as far apart as I fear. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:56, Don Guyer don.gu...@prufoxroach.commailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com wrote: I don't have the info in front of me, nor the time to Google it, but what's the cost difference? The obvious reasons I can see are not needing/using those extra features. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.commailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout) I looked at the chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions I think that AppLocker and multi-display Terminal Services for desktops, and those plus BitLocker, BranchCache and Direct Access for laptops would make Enterprise *very* appealing. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:28, Cameron Cooper ccoo...@aurico.commailto:ccoo...@aurico.com wrote: We also went with Windows 7 Pro Upgrade volume licensing and the same for Office. _ Cameron Cooper Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.commailto:ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.comhttp://www.aurico.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.orgmailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
Neither, the count is from the MAK. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout I'd like to know if it contacts MS from the workstation or the KMS box, to give them that count. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.commailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Didn't mean to imply differently. In licensing matters, it's usually best to assume someone is watching all the time :-) -Malcolm From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 14:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout But, once you start activating them, check out the count that now shows up under your MVLS website. Someone's watching you... :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.commailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout The KMS has no idea about how many licenses you own. All it does is act as an internal activation service. -Malcolm From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 13:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
RE: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout)
I can only find the Desktop Bundle on my price list right now which comes with Enterprise and is likely what you'd want anyway (as it bundles CALs in one SKU). I don’t know if you can actually buy non Enterprise outside of retail channels and my airline of choice hasn't yet discovered inflight Internet so I can't look either. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout) Don't know the cost difference yet - we're gathering data for an EA as I mash keys. However, with SA I'd expect the numbers to be not as far apart as I fear. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:56, Don Guyer don.gu...@prufoxroach.com wrote: I don't have the info in front of me, nor the time to Google it, but what's the cost difference? The obvious reasons I can see are not needing/using those extra features. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hijack: Why Pro and not Enterprise? (was: Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout) I looked at the chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions I think that AppLocker and multi-display Terminal Services for desktops, and those plus BitLocker, BranchCache and Direct Access for laptops would make Enterprise *very* appealing. Kurt On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:28, Cameron Cooper ccoo...@aurico.com wrote: We also went with Windows 7 Pro Upgrade volume licensing and the same for Office. _ Cameron Cooper Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
You don't need to tie them together in any way... Your KMS has no idea how many copies you bought, it just needs 25 machines to activate against it so it can activate itself against MS. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout
KMS That's the central point, rather than every system activating independently. Similar to the WSUS vs individual Windows/Microsoft Update connections *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Don Guyer don.gu...@prufoxroach.com wrote: I’d like to know if it contacts MS from the workstation or the KMS box, to give them that count. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com *From:* Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:29 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Didn’t mean to imply differently. In licensing matters, it’s usually best to assume someone is watching all the time :-) -Malcolm *From:* Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 14:58 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout But, once you start activating them, check out the count that now shows up under your MVLS website. Someone’s watching you… J Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com *From:* Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:56 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout The KMS has no idea about how many licenses you own. All it does is act as an internal activation service. -Malcolm *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 13:31 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* re: Windows 7: buy PCs with license or withhout Microsoft charity licensing is excellent and I usually use that. But the potential problem is how do I tie OEM licenses to a volume license since I'd use a volume license in my image? I don't want Windows 7 machines built with my image halting due to licensing issues as the KMS system doesn't realize it has enough licenses. Apologies if this is not clear - hope I using the correct terminology. Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk 9/2/2010 2:19 PM Unless you're on an enterprise agreement or something where you have the pricing sorted, I've never known it be cheaper to not buy OEM - the price difference has usually made it a no-brainer. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body
