RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
I don't get it - they moved to Windows 8 because it was new' and no other reason per se, and when that didn't work out, they didn't go back to what they had that was already working? They decided to go for something completely different? Who runs a business like this? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2012 2:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
He said RTM, not GA - but still. You are right. From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Wow, they sure got a lot done in the week since Win 8 released. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Angus Scott-Fleming Sent: 11/6/2012 9:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. Angus -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
I was expecting this article to be about an organization, not a Consultancy, using their environment as a test bed. This article would have read a lot differently if this was about a Fortune 500 company. Seems to me it was just an article lightly bashing Windows 8. No offense meant to anyone. Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. [cid:image001.jpg@01CDBCDC.D8421990] From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Sometimes it takes a disaster to make management pay attention to your goals. Sometimes you can make a disaster to achieve your goals... On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: He said RTM, not GA - but still. You are right. From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Wow, they sure got a lot done in the week since Win 8 released. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Angus Scott-Fleming Sent: 11/6/2012 9:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. Angus -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038tel:1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
Re: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
Windows 8 is a big change but in many other ways it's not that big. I remember the change from 'progman' to explorer (start menu). The most common joke was 'I have to go to Start to shut down?' My original first IT centric job (as opposed to also being the computer guy who did other stuff mostly) was as a grunt migrating desktops from DOS/Win3.11/Banyon vines to WinNT3.51 in an Enterprise. I remember when Windows NT 4 came out some people came unglued. However, they did a big education push after smaller trials with newsletters and documentation to prepare the user population for the change and it went from RAWR IT'S CHANGING to 'Hurry up and migrate me already!' over the course of the year. Any deployment should have some variation of this to properly manage any change, whether the interface is the same or it changes. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Guyer, Don dgu...@che.org wrote: I was expecting this article to be about an “organization”, not a “Consultancy”, using their environment as a test bed. ** ** This article would have read a lot differently if this was about a Fortune 500 company. ** ** Seems to me it was just an article lightly bashing Windows 8. ** ** No offense meant to anyone. ** ** Regards, * * *Don Guyer** **Catholic Health East - Information Technology* Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: *dgu...@che.org* Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.* [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240] ** ** *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:27 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation ** ** Sometimes it takes a disaster to make management pay attention to your goals. Sometimes you can make a disaster to achieve your goals... On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: He said RTM, not GA – but still. You are right. *From:* Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:31 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Wow, they sure got a lot done in the week since Win 8 released. Sent from my Windows Phone -- *From: *Angus Scott-Fleming *Sent: *11/6/2012 9:04 PM *To: *NT System Admin Issues *Subject: *The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. Angus -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you
RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
4 people in a garage someplace. I can't see a business with over just 20 people or so doing this kind of thing. From an end user perspective, the move to Linux was effortless. Only a small shop or larger, very narrow-focus shop could get away with this IMO. New OS with significant UI changes rolled out en-masse without end-user training. Nah, that'll work out... -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation I don't get it - they moved to Windows 8 because it was new' and no other reason per se, and when that didn't work out, they didn't go back to what they had that was already working? They decided to go for something completely different? Who runs a business like this? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2012 2:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
I read the article. I smell an agenda. Don't get me wrong: I like Linux. I also have some concerns with Windows 8 on desktops. I also believe that most of the items on Linux and do most of jobs of what you can do in Windows. But the article is a little to perfect. Too many things happend in such a short period of time... I'll call BS. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:07:05 -0800 Subject: Re: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Windows 8 is a big change but in many other ways it's not that big. I remember the change from 'progman' to explorer (start menu). The most common joke was 'I have to go to Start to shut down?' My original first IT centric job (as opposed to also being the computer guy who did other stuff mostly) was as a grunt migrating desktops from DOS/Win3.11/Banyon vines to WinNT3.51 in an Enterprise. I remember when Windows NT 4 came out some people came unglued. However, they did a big education push after smaller trials with newsletters and documentation to prepare the user population for the change and it went from RAWR IT'S CHANGING to 'Hurry up and migrate me already!' over the course of the year. Any deployment should have some variation of this to properly manage any change, whether the interface is the same or it changes. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Guyer, Don dgu...@che.org wrote: I was expecting this article to be about an “organization”, not a “Consultancy”, using their environment as a test bed. ** ** This article would have read a lot differently if this was about a Fortune 500 company. ** ** Seems to me it was just an article lightly bashing Windows 8. ** ** No offense meant to anyone. ** ** Regards, * * *Don Guyer** **Catholic Health East - Information Technology* Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: *dgu...@che.org* Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.* [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240] ** ** *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:27 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation ** ** Sometimes it takes a disaster to make management pay attention to your goals. Sometimes you can make a disaster to achieve your goals... On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: He said RTM, not GA – but still. You are right. *From:* Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:31 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Wow, they sure got a lot done in the week since Win 8 released. Sent from my Windows Phone -- *From: *Angus Scott-Fleming *Sent: *11/6/2012 9:04 PM *To: *NT System Admin Issues *Subject: *The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. Angus -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt
RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
Hmm - he appears to work for this group: http://www.niagaratechgroup.com/ No idea how big/small they are -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 5:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation 4 people in a garage someplace. I can't see a business with over just 20 people or so doing this kind of thing. From an end user perspective, the move to Linux was effortless. Only a small shop or larger, very narrow-focus shop could get away with this IMO. New OS with significant UI changes rolled out en-masse without end-user training. Nah, that'll work out... -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation I don't get it - they moved to Windows 8 because it was new' and no other reason per se, and when that didn't work out, they didn't go back to what they had that was already working? They decided to go for something completely different? Who runs a business like this? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2012 2:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. Angus -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
Wow. Interesting article, and I didn't realize that Datamation was still alive... Kurt On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.comwrote: Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. Angus -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation
Angus This is a really good article and should be a case study on how not to manage change in an organisation. Regardless of the technology or solution when the end users 'push back' on change you can either demonstrate the value in the product and the IT department or give in and accept that staff do not value the IT and the IT department do not have confidence in their own skills. We had the exact opposite - now running 8 and 2012 on more machines all other OS types put together and really appreciating the speed increases, quicker navigation of the windows desktop, integration of apps, much better security ... The timescale of the article is very interesting as while the final OS was released in August there were no apps until the public release as they all had to be re-compiled and tested on final code. Also in October there was a major patch (160-ish Mb) which was like a mini service pack. Internally while we have been using the product for over a year we only just consider it as fully released. Our end user feedback has been very different with the semi-techies as the hardest crowd to please as they have a little knowledge picked up via Google and no desire to change their ways. We find 10 minutes of show-and-tell and then a few quick refreshers over the next few days a very easy way to get the new features across. Responses have ranged from Great on older kit to Awesome for Win8 on Win8 hardware (which has only been available to purchase for about a week). The author makes a really good point about how an IT platform can unravel if there is not business case or reason for specific parts of it. A business can evolve and change and the technology need can change - along with the maturity/stability of a solution. We are currently finding a significant number of our clients with Apple hardware are struggling to understand why after 2 years their support option is to replace while their 4-5 year old boxes are still performing well and still fully covered under manufacturers warranties and get full support from Microsoft. To me it seems like Windows 8 has shifted the technology landscape in a way that last happened with windows 95. All the old logic is being tested and for a lot of companies there is a moment of truth that they are simply employing technology to fix what is broken in their business processes as that's easier than coming to terms with changing their business model. What's really interesting is looking back at those companies who embrace change and are thriving compared to those who saw no value in using to technology to manage their business. Mike -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] Sent: 07 November 2012 03:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation Fascinating article. The Ripple Effect of Windows 8 - Datamation http://www.datamation.com/applications/the-ripple-effect-of-windows-8-1.html When our firm's employees found Windows 8 too unwieldy, we transitioned to Linux Mint instead and soon found that we didn't need any Microsoft products at all. I have known the author online for a couple of years, he's an active Spiceworks user and an experienced Windows admin. Angus -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
