Re: VMWare in DR site

[Durf]

Hi Wei;

A slightly lower-tech way of doing it described below:

I have a client who is doing this using SunGard's DR services (they provide
replacement hardware under contract, as well as phones and desktops). It's a
small subsidiary of a large insurance company.  We determined they have a
12-24-hour Recovery Time requirement, with a 1-day Recovery Point objective.


Given that, we image their servers (4) using Symantec BESR to a NAS unit,
that then transfers the images to USB drives.  We then have Iron Mountain
pick up the drive images weekly, along with their backup tapes.  Last
night's backup tape also always goes offsite.

We conducted a successful DR test last year, restoring the images onto the
physical hardware.  This year, BESR has better support for VMWare, so we
will be experimenting with saving the client some $$$ by dropping the number
of SunGard provided servers from 4 to 2 and using BESR to recover to MS
Virtual Server.

This works well with the client's RT and RP requirements, as we were able to
restore in about 18 hours, including getting Internet services and remote
access up and working.  We so far are choosing not to use a direct pipe to
replicate traffic to SunGard, as the Iron Mountain solution works well with
their requirements - IM will drop tapes and drives directly to the SunGard
facility - and SunGard charges quite a lot for direct data sync.

Yours,
Durf

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Active Elk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> HI,
>
> They basically wanted to replicate files and even DHCP server. I do not see
> any Exchange but maybe SQL is somewhere hidden and not made known to us.
>
> As for budget, they really have no idea as they are first time doing this.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Wei Yu
>
> - Original Message 
> From: "Ziots, Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Sent: Monday, 30 June 2008 7:41:51
> Subject: RE: VMWare in DR site
>
> Which pieces of the main site are they wanting to replicate? This it the
> starting point.
>
> Z
>
> Edward E. Ziots
> Network Engineer
> Lifespan Organization
> MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
> Phone: 401-639-3505
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Active Elk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: VMWare in DR site
>
> Hi,
>
> Our client wants to have a DR site.
>
> In the primary site, all servers are in physical box. There is no
> virtualization in place. In the DR site, they wanted all the DR servers
> to be in a virtual environment. May I know for guys have implemented
> this, do you mind sharing your experience and what to look out for?
>
> So far what I can think of is using software like CA XOSoft or Double
> Take to do a host to host replication to the DR site. Is there a better
> way to do it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Wei Yu
>
>
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Re: VMWare in DR site

[Active Elk]

HI,

They basically wanted to replicate files and even DHCP server. I do not see any 
Exchange but maybe SQL is somewhere hidden and not made known to us.

As for budget, they really have no idea as they are first time doing this.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Wei Yu

- Original Message 
From: "Ziots, Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Monday, 30 June 2008 7:41:51
Subject: RE: VMWare in DR site

Which pieces of the main site are they wanting to replicate? This it the
starting point. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Active Elk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VMWare in DR site

Hi,

Our client wants to have a DR site.

In the primary site, all servers are in physical box. There is no
virtualization in place. In the DR site, they wanted all the DR servers
to be in a virtual environment. May I know for guys have implemented
this, do you mind sharing your experience and what to look out for?

So far what I can think of is using software like CA XOSoft or Double
Take to do a host to host replication to the DR site. Is there a better
way to do it?

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Wei Yu



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RE: VMWare in DR site

[Garcia-Moran, Carlos]

Did they set a budget for this? We just went the our DR Scenario and
these where our three options (all of them virtual)

1) Platespin Forge appliance, Very Cool device we tested for a month and
worked like a peach. It's DR on a shell they retail for around $50K
List. It's a Dell rebranded server with VI3 and the Platespin Tools/OS
on it. You can have a 10 or 25 server License, add a kernel shim to the
servers you want to back up and you're good to go it does full or
incremental backups into VM's and shift's the workload back and forth in
case of DR

2) Falconstor CDP appliance, a little more than we needed but it also
did tape to Disk backup and de duplication. You need 1 appliance at each
site. The 12 TB one's with all the software and clients for 40 servers
where around $150K

3) Blades and VI3 with tape backup and restore, cheap enough and most of
it we had in place, this takes the longest to recover DR wise.

It all depends on what they want to achieve and how much downtime they
can afford to have

-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VMWare in DR site

Which pieces of the main site are they wanting to replicate? This it the
starting point. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Active Elk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VMWare in DR site

Hi,

Our client wants to have a DR site.

In the primary site, all servers are in physical box. There is no
virtualization in place. In the DR site, they wanted all the DR servers
to be in a virtual environment. May I know for guys have implemented
this, do you mind sharing your experience and what to look out for?

So far what I can think of is using software like CA XOSoft or Double
Take to do a host to host replication to the DR site. Is there a better
way to do it?

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Wei Yu



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RE: VMWare in DR site

[Ziots, Edward]

Which pieces of the main site are they wanting to replicate? This it the
starting point. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Active Elk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VMWare in DR site

Hi,

Our client wants to have a DR site.

In the primary site, all servers are in physical box. There is no
virtualization in place. In the DR site, they wanted all the DR servers
to be in a virtual environment. May I know for guys have implemented
this, do you mind sharing your experience and what to look out for?

So far what I can think of is using software like CA XOSoft or Double
Take to do a host to host replication to the DR site. Is there a better
way to do it?

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Wei Yu



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RE: VMWare in DR site

[Benjamin Zachary - Lists]

Im using wansync for a couple of smaller clients, and also Symantec
Netbackup for a 5 server set that allows me to restore to a vm box in the
remote location. 

Both seem to work, wansync is pretty cool, but its not a true server
replication, so things like users, new mailboxes, new software, windows
updates are not done on both sides. You have to kind of manage both boxes
and then let wansync do the files and such. To get around that I have been
doing ntbackup with the system state and then file sync that over. However,
when my client has a software update for their app or something we have to
install it in both locations to ensure the registry is right. I played with
the registry functions of wansync, but support and forums are really lacking
you are kind of on your own.

-Original Message-
From: Active Elk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VMWare in DR site

Hi,

Our client wants to have a DR site.

In the primary site, all servers are in physical box. There is no
virtualization in place. In the DR site, they wanted all the DR servers to
be in a virtual environment. May I know for guys have implemented this, do
you mind sharing your experience and what to look out for?

So far what I can think of is using software like CA XOSoft or Double Take
to do a host to host replication to the DR site. Is there a better way to do
it?

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Wei Yu



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RE: VMWare in DR site

[Sam Cayze]

Do they want their site 'cold' or 'warm'?

I used to have all my production machines physical, but in DR
firedrills, I would bring them up live in VMs in the DR site.   

-Original Message-
From: Active Elk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VMWare in DR site

Hi,

Our client wants to have a DR site.

In the primary site, all servers are in physical box. There is no
virtualization in place. In the DR site, they wanted all the DR servers
to be in a virtual environment. May I know for guys have implemented
this, do you mind sharing your experience and what to look out for?

So far what I can think of is using software like CA XOSoft or Double
Take to do a host to host replication to the DR site. Is there a better
way to do it?

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Wei Yu



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Re: VMWare in DR site

[Russ Jackson]

I know Platespin (and others) have a P2V incremental replication that might
be helpful.

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Active Elk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Our client wants to have a DR site.
>
> In the primary site, all servers are in physical box. There is no
> virtualization in place. In the DR site, they wanted all the DR servers to
> be in a virtual environment. May I know for guys have implemented this, do
> you mind sharing your experience and what to look out for?
>
> So far what I can think of is using software like CA XOSoft or Double Take
> to do a host to host replication to the DR site. Is there a better way to do
> it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Wei Yu
>
>
>
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