Re: Google email for corporate use
When I setup Postini for my previous employer we had great results with it. I set the filters for MAX but never had a false positive reported for the 150 users after I added several domains to the unfiltered list. Roger Wright ___ When it's GOOD there ain't nothin' like it, and when it's BAD there ain't nothin' like it! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:16 AM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: A wee bit OT but related... We are a Notes shop. We are strongly considering going to a hosed -er- hosted Exchange service (once we find someone who can import our current Domino set-up and provide the proper guarantees). Lots of arguments in favor of the hosted service. Are you aware that Google owns Postini? Anyway, for spam filtering, many things get through our Postini filters and into our Notes mailboxes. These same spam messages get snagged and sent to the spam box in GMail. That is, the spam filtering in GMail seems to be better than for Postini. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group *ASPCA®* 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 *www.aspca.org* http://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/08/2010 10:09:27 AM: Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I’ve got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don’t see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what’s the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don’t necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllers….scares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don’t necessarily want them handling my email for me. [image removed] [image removed] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Google email for corporate use
Is that an advocation of Notes I hear? -- ME2 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:16 AM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: A wee bit OT but related... We are a Notes shop. We are strongly considering going to a hosed -er- hosted Exchange service (once we find someone who can import our current Domino set-up and provide the proper guarantees). Lots of arguments in favor of the hosted service. Are you aware that Google owns Postini? Anyway, for spam filtering, many things get through our Postini filters and into our Notes mailboxes. These same spam messages get snagged and sent to the spam box in GMail. That is, the spam filtering in GMail seems to be better than for Postini. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group *ASPCA®* 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 *www.aspca.org* http://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/08/2010 10:09:27 AM: Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I’ve got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don’t see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what’s the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don’t necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllers….scares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don’t necessarily want them handling my email for me. [image removed] [image removed] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Google email for corporate use
A wee bit OT but related... We are a Notes shop. We are strongly considering going to a hosed -er- hosted Exchange service (once we find someone who can import our current Domino set-up and provide the proper guarantees). Lots of arguments in favor of the hosted service. Are you aware that Google owns Postini? Anyway, for spam filtering, many things get through our Postini filters and into our Notes mailboxes. These same spam messages get snagged and sent to the spam box in GMail. That is, the spam filtering in GMail seems to be better than for Postini. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/08/2010 10:09:27 AM: Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I?ve got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don?t see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what?s the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don?t necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllers?.scares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don?t necessarily want them handling my email for me. [image removed] [image removed] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Google email for corporate use
channeling Monty Python Five-nines my buttocks. /channeling Monty Python Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Google email for corporate use Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I've got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don't see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what's the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don't necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllersscares the crap outta me. :) I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don't necessarily want them handling my email for me. [John-Aldrich][Perception_2] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg
RE: Google email for corporate use
The first thing I'd do before even looking at the technical stuff is read their terms of service. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: 08 September 2010 16:09 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Google email for corporate use Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I've got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don't see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what's the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don't necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllersscares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don't necessarily want them handling my email for me. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: Google email for corporate use
How aggressive do you have Postini configured? That can have a WORLD of impact. (I used to resell Postini, but I no longer do.) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google email for corporate use A wee bit OT but related... We are a Notes shop. We are strongly considering going to a hosed -er- hosted Exchange service (once we find someone who can import our current Domino set-up and provide the proper guarantees). Lots of arguments in favor of the hosted service. Are you aware that Google owns Postini? Anyway, for spam filtering, many things get through our Postini filters and into our Notes mailboxes. These same spam messages get snagged and sent to the spam box in GMail. That is, the spam filtering in GMail seems to be better than for Postini. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.orgmailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.orghttp://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/08/2010 10:09:27 AM: Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I've got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don't see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what's the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don't necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllersscares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don't necessarily want them handling my email for me. [image removed] [image removed] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Google email for corporate use
Hmm. maybe worth considering getting our own spam/virus filtering appliance then. currently our email is filtered by our ISP's RedCondor and it does a good job of filtering. Very little junk gets through. Heck, it's at least as good as SpamCop, which I use for my personal email. J Any other comments on Google, specifically, or hosted email in general? Main reason we want to bring email in house is because so many of our users have smart phones and they have trouble getting them to work with our hosted email. Also, we get charged based on the size of the mailbox, for disk space and I want to get rid of that. if we put the mail store on the storage appliance I'm looking at, we should have plenty of space to work with. J John-AldrichPerception_2 From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google email for corporate use A wee bit OT but related... We are a Notes shop. We are strongly considering going to a hosed -er- hosted Exchange service (once we find someone who can import our current Domino set-up and provide the proper guarantees). Lots of arguments in favor of the hosted service. Are you aware that Google owns Postini? Anyway, for spam filtering, many things get through our Postini filters and into our Notes mailboxes. These same spam messages get snagged and sent to the spam box in GMail. That is, the spam filtering in GMail seems to be better than for Postini. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCAR 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org/ www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to AnimalsR (ASPCAR) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/08/2010 10:09:27 AM: Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I've got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don't see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what's the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don't necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllers..scares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don't necessarily want them handling my email for me. [image removed] [image removed] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: Google email for corporate use
Even before that I would be working on a Security SLA for the contract with the provider accordingly. And be prepared to audit that provider a lot to ensure they are sticking to the SLA. Z Edward E. Ziots CISSP, Network +, Security + Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email:ezi...@lifespan.org Cell:401-639-3505 From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Google email for corporate use The first thing I'd do before even looking at the technical stuff is read their terms of service. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: 08 September 2010 16:09 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Google email for corporate use Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I've got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don't see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what's the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don't necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllersscares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don't necessarily want them handling my email for me. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: Google email for corporate use
Make sure your storage appliance drive connection method is approved for your version of exchange. Used to be most NAS was not usable for exchange, it would have to be DASD or SAN ( FC or iSCSI ). Just mapping as a network attached drive is unsupported. ( I think NetApp had a MS widget that made their NAS supportable ) Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Google email for corporate use Hmm… maybe worth considering getting our own spam/virus filtering appliance then… currently our email is filtered by our ISP’s RedCondor and it does a good job of filtering. Very little junk gets through. Heck, it’s at least as good as SpamCop, which I use for my personal email. J Any other comments on Google, specifically, or hosted email in general? Main reason we want to bring email in house is because so many of our users have smart phones and they have trouble getting them to work with our hosted email. Also, we get charged based on the size of the mailbox, for disk space and I want to get rid of that… if we put the mail store on the storage appliance I’m looking at, we should have plenty of space to work with. J John-AldrichPerception_2 From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google email for corporate use A wee bit OT but related... We are a Notes shop. We are strongly considering going to a hosed -er- hosted Exchange service (once we find someone who can import our current Domino set-up and provide the proper guarantees). Lots of arguments in favor of the hosted service. Are you aware that Google owns Postini? Anyway, for spam filtering, many things get through our Postini filters and into our Notes mailboxes. These same spam messages get snagged and sent to the spam box in GMail. That is, the spam filtering in GMail seems to be better than for Postini. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org/ www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/08/2010 10:09:27 AM: Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I’ve got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don’t see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what’s the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don’t necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllers….scares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don’t necessarily want them handling my email for me. [image removed] [image removed] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
re: Google email for corporate use
Read the very small print. Google owns everything on their server. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Google email for corporate use
We're using Kerio Connect and there's no restrictions on where you store data. -- Bob Hartung Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com _ From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:07:41 -0500 Subject: RE: Google email for corporate use Well, your point is well taken, however, I have no plans for Exchange… still looking very closely at Kerio Connect, as it has most of the bells and whistles of Exchange, at about half the cost. Still, it would be good to know that putting the mail store on a SAN is approved. J From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Google email for corporate use Make sure your storage appliance drive connection method is approved for your version of exchange. Used to be most NAS was not usable for exchange, it would have to be DASD or SAN ( FC or iSCSI ). Just mapping as a network attached drive is unsupported. ( I think NetApp had a MS widget that made their NAS supportable ) Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Google email for corporate use Hmm… maybe worth considering getting our own spam/virus filtering appliance then… currently our email is filtered by our ISP’s RedCondor and it does a good job of filtering. Very little junk gets through. Heck, it’s at least as good as SpamCop, which I use for my personal email. J Any other comments on Google, specifically, or hosted email in general? Main reason we want to bring email in house is because so many of our users have smart phones and they have trouble getting them to work with our hosted email. Also, we get charged based on the size of the mailbox, for disk space and I want to get rid of that… if we put the mail store on the storage appliance I’m looking at, we should have plenty of space to work with. J From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google email for corporate use A wee bit OT but related... We are a Notes shop. We are strongly considering going to a hosed -er- hosted Exchange service (once we find someone who can import our current Domino set-up and provide the proper guarantees). Lots of arguments in favor of the hosted service. Are you aware that Google owns Postini? Anyway, for spam filtering, many things get through our Postini filters and into our Notes mailboxes. These same spam messages get snagged and sent to the spam box in GMail. That is, the spam filtering in GMail seems to be better than for Postini. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/08/2010 10:09:27 AM: Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I’ve got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don’t see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what’s the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don’t necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllers….scares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don’t necessarily want them handling my email for me. [image removed] [image removed
Re: Google email for corporate use
I seem to remember that a couple of years ago Google leaked information from their mail service to their search service and had confidential email leaked on to the web. Their SLA at the time as basically oh sorry my bad. Last government position I was forced to do an inquiry about using Google Apps and GMail service to avoid the cost of licensing Microsoft products. State lawyers came down hard and fast killing that but fast. The avoid cost of licensing was thrown back at managements face a long with some comments about removal from position is this went any further. Basically the auditors said there is no cost to the agency in excess of what Google would have charged. (Not true for private companies but very true for NFP or government/universities.) Goggles track record for keeping confidential email off the web and not search able was extremely poor, and enforcing the SLA's was meaningless unless they were within the State. The normal time for the attorneys to respond to email and written inquires was 30 days they came back next day with their response and followed it up with phone calls from even higher ups making sure that the comments were taken to heart and were understood fully. My boss at the time came out of one of those meetings with red ears and told me to not ever mention Google in the presence of his boss (who had wanted the change). Jon On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: Even before that I would be working on a Security SLA for the contract with the provider accordingly. And be prepared to audit that provider a lot to ensure they are sticking to the SLA. Z Edward E. Ziots CISSP, Network +, Security + Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email:ezi...@lifespan.org email%3aezi...@lifespan.org Cell:401-639-3505 *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Google email for corporate use The first thing I’d do before even looking at the technical stuff is read their terms of service. *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] *Sent:* 08 September 2010 16:09 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Google email for corporate use Anyone here using Google for their corporate email? I’ve got a Google rep trying to sell me on using their service instead of bringing email in-house. I don’t see the benefit, myself. Sure they have 99.999% uptime, but other than that, what’s the benefit? She says they can integrate with Active Directory, but I don’t necessarily want Google reaching out and touching my domain controllers….scares the crap outta me. J I would NOT oppose using Postini to filter/scan my email, but I don’t necessarily want them handling my email for me. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *MIRA Ltd* Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
