RE: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference
Anthony Townsend wrote: > There's not much you can do - New York was lucky enough to be the > first place to see near-seamless proliferation of open hotspots We > are also the first place to see over-saturation of 2.4 Ghz. > > I've ben surveying people informally about this and have really > noticed a big upswing in incidents in the last 6 months. It's > dissapointing - I didn't expect this "tragedy of the commons" to > happen so quickly. I'm very worried about what happens when the FCC > realizes this is happening, and likely to happen elsewhere. > > NYCwireless needs to be involved in solving this problem, either > technically or socially. That is the only way to avoid a regulatory > clampdown. Agreed - and I'd be interested in helping this problem however I can. It seems that, at least in NYC, hotspots should be replaced with hot-zones, meaning coordinated coverage of an area as Robin-David Hammond pointed out, thus reducing frequency clutter. --- Hans Zaunere President, New York PHP http://www.nyphp.com +1 212 213 1131 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference (fwd)
Microsoft: Where do you want to go tomorrow? Linux: Where do you want to go today? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Robin-David Hammond KB3IEN www.aresnyc.org. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:48:18 + (UTC) From: "Hammond, Robin-David%KB3IEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Hans Zaunere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference 1) Frequency Co-ordination. You will have to eliminate some Access Points and agree to let eachother on which ever access point you desire. Turning off all but one AP at a time and site surveying each appartment will help. It may be possible to cover 90% of the desired service area with 5 or 6 APs, on less overlapping channels. Then for the 10 % service area that remains use attenuated (weaked) signals to cover the nooks and crannies without elevating the background noise excessively. Okay so sometimes you have to share your bandwidth but at least you will have bandwidth. If your neighbours are not yet ready for this solution, you can keep buying more amps and antennae until they cannot use thier APs at all and then arbitrate. 2) Lead Paint, about 10mm could do it. BTW. Plugging one WiFi device into another isnt recomened. On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Hans Zaunere wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:00:43 -0400 From: Hans Zaunere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference At my apartment, there are at least 14 APs at any given time, and all have fairly strong signals, and are 802.11g. Needless to say, the airwaves around my apartment are packed. As a result, my wireless signal will often drop out, and I'm figuring the only reason is because of the interference. I've restarted, double checked, etc. my AP (Linksys WRTG54g) and all looks to be fine. If I plug into the AP, it's always fine. I've tried changing channels, but to limited success. On each of the 1, 6 and 11 channels, there are at least 3 other APs. When I switch to a channel in between, signal quality actually looks worse. I've also changed between B only and G only mode, but with little result. So, what can someone do to get a reliable wireless signal in these types of environments? Are there any tips or online resources that describe the advanced settings of the WRT54g that might improve my performance? Any other tips or resources? And, if I were to buy a new AP, would it make a difference, and what would some recommendations be? Thanks, --- Hans Zaunere President, New York PHP http://www.nyphp.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ Microsoft: Where do you want to go tomorrow? Linux: Where do you want to go today? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Robin-David Hammond KB3IEN www.aresnyc.org. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference
There's not much you can do - New York was lucky enough to be the first place to see near-seamless proliferation of open hotspots We are also the first place to see over-saturation of 2.4 Ghz. I've ben surveying people informally about this and have really noticed a big upswing in incidents in the last 6 months. It's dissapointing - I didn't expect this "tragedy of the commons" to happen so quickly. I'm very worried about what happens when the FCC realizes this is happening, and likely to happen elsewhere. NYCwireless needs to be involved in solving this problem, either technically or socially. That is the only way to avoid a regulatory clampdown. On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:00 AM, Hans Zaunere wrote: At my apartment, there are at least 14 APs at any given time, and all have fairly strong signals, and are 802.11g. Needless to say, the airwaves around my apartment are packed. As a result, my wireless signal will often drop out, and I'm figuring the only reason is because of the interference. I've restarted, double checked, etc. my AP (Linksys WRTG54g) and all looks to be fine. If I plug into the AP, it's always fine. I've tried changing channels, but to limited success. On each of the 1, 6 and 11 channels, there are at least 3 other APs. When I switch to a channel in between, signal quality actually looks worse. I've also changed between B only and G only mode, but with little result. So, what can someone do to get a reliable wireless signal in these types of environments? Are there any tips or online resources that describe the advanced settings of the WRT54g that might improve my performance? Any other tips or resources? And, if I were to buy a new AP, would it make a difference, and what would some recommendations be? Thanks, --- Hans Zaunere President, New York PHP http://www.nyphp.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/ nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference
1) Frequency Co-ordination. You will have to eliminate some Access Points and agree to let eachother on which ever access point you desire. Turning off all but one AP at a time and site surveying each appartment will help. It may be possible to cover 90% of the desired service area with 5 or 6 APs, on less overlapping channels. Then for the 10 % service area that remains use attenuated (weaked) signals to cover the nooks and crannies without elevating the background noise excessively. Okay so sometimes you have to share your bandwidth but at least you will have bandwidth. If your neighbours are not yet ready for this solution, you can keep buying more amps and antennae until they cannot use thier APs at all and then arbitrate. 2) Lead Paint, about 10mm could do it. BTW. Plugging one WiFi device into another isnt recomened. On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Hans Zaunere wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:00:43 -0400 From: Hans Zaunere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference At my apartment, there are at least 14 APs at any given time, and all have fairly strong signals, and are 802.11g. Needless to say, the airwaves around my apartment are packed. As a result, my wireless signal will often drop out, and I'm figuring the only reason is because of the interference. I've restarted, double checked, etc. my AP (Linksys WRTG54g) and all looks to be fine. If I plug into the AP, it's always fine. I've tried changing channels, but to limited success. On each of the 1, 6 and 11 channels, there are at least 3 other APs. When I switch to a channel in between, signal quality actually looks worse. I've also changed between B only and G only mode, but with little result. So, what can someone do to get a reliable wireless signal in these types of environments? Are there any tips or online resources that describe the advanced settings of the WRT54g that might improve my performance? Any other tips or resources? And, if I were to buy a new AP, would it make a difference, and what would some recommendations be? Thanks, --- Hans Zaunere President, New York PHP http://www.nyphp.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ Microsoft: Where do you want to go tomorrow? Linux: Where do you want to go today? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Robin-David Hammond KB3IEN www.aresnyc.org. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference
On , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks Bora - I guess I might be in the market for a new AP > that supports > 'a' (my laptop already does). If anyone knows of any wireless setting > tweaks that would help, it'd be greatly appreciated too. Another thought... I've already locked my AP down, based on MAC filtering - so I am the only one on my AP. Prior to locking it down, there would be 10 peer-to-peer clients using my AP within an hour. I guess they really like open APs down here in the LES :) So my other question is this: would adding encryption reduce interference at all? It seems like it wouldn't have a direct effect, but frankly I'm not sure. Thanks, H -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference
Thanks Bora - I guess I might be in the market for a new AP that supports 'a' (my laptop already does). If anyone knows of any wireless setting tweaks that would help, it'd be greatly appreciated too. H On , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Hans, > > > From my personal experience I could recommend you to use > any 802.11a ap or wireless router and adapter. Since they work > on 5GHz and usually have low range (but still good for my > whole apartment) they are not succeptable to 2.4GHz interference. > They are also not interferring with 2.4GHz wireless phones and the > speed decrese of 802.11a (with theoretical bandwith of 54Mbps) is > probably just slightly slower in reality than 802.11g (that have > theoretical bandwith of 108Mbps). Which is also only going to affect > your computer to computer connection since your internet connection > is well below any wireless setup available bandwith. 802.11a also has > more nonoverlapping channels so that more computers can be connected > without dropping connections (I have 11 computers connected in my > office and they all work just fine). > > You could also buy dual band tri mode (802.11a, b, g) pc card for your > notebook so that you can connect with 802.11a at your home and with > 802.11b, g at your office of any public hot spot. > > I hope I helped a bit, > Bora > Micropower NY > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hans Zaunere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At my apartment, there are at least 14 APs at any given time, > and all have > fairly strong signals, and are 802.11g. Needless to say, the airwaves > around my apartment are packed. > > As a result, my wireless signal will often drop out, and I'm > figuring the > only reason is because of the interference. I've restarted, > double checked, > etc. my AP (Linksys WRTG54g) and all looks to be fine. If I > plug into the > AP, it's always fine. > > I've tried changing channels, but to limited success. On each > of the 1, 6 > and 11 channels, there are at least 3 other APs. When I > switch to a channel > in between, signal quality actually looks worse. I've also > changed between > B only and G only mode, but with little result. > > So, what can someone do to get a reliable wireless signal in > these types of > environments? Are there any tips or online resources that describe the > advanced settings of the WRT54g that might improve my performance? Any > other tips or resources? And, if I were to buy a new AP, > would it make a > difference, and what would some recommendations be? > > > Thanks, > > --- > Hans Zaunere > President, New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.com > > > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: > http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: > http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference
Hi Hans, >From my personal experience I could recommend you to use any 802.11a ap or wireless router and adapter. Since they work on 5GHz and usually have low range (but still good for my whole apartment) they are not succeptable to 2.4GHz interference. They are also not interferring with 2.4GHz wireless phones and the speed decrese of 802.11a (with theoretical bandwith of 54Mbps) is probably just slightly slower in reality than 802.11g (that have theoretical bandwith of 108Mbps). Which is also only going to affect your computer to computer connection since your internet connection is well below any wireless setup available bandwith. 802.11a also has more nonoverlapping channels so that more computers can be connected without dropping connections (I have 11 computers connected in my office and they all work just fine). You could also buy dual band tri mode (802.11a, b, g) pc card for your notebook so that you can connect with 802.11a at your home and with 802.11b, g at your office of any public hot spot. I hope I helped a bit, Bora Micropower NY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hans Zaunere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At my apartment, there are at least 14 APs at any given time, and all have fairly strong signals, and are 802.11g. Needless to say, the airwaves around my apartment are packed. As a result, my wireless signal will often drop out, and I'm figuring the only reason is because of the interference. I've restarted, double checked, etc. my AP (Linksys WRTG54g) and all looks to be fine. If I plug into the AP, it's always fine. I've tried changing channels, but to limited success. On each of the 1, 6 and 11 channels, there are at least 3 other APs. When I switch to a channel in between, signal quality actually looks worse. I've also changed between B only and G only mode, but with little result. So, what can someone do to get a reliable wireless signal in these types of environments? Are there any tips or online resources that describe the advanced settings of the WRT54g that might improve my performance? Any other tips or resources? And, if I were to buy a new AP, would it make a difference, and what would some recommendations be? Thanks, --- Hans Zaunere President, New York PHP http://www.nyphp.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Too Many Aps - Interference
At my apartment, there are at least 14 APs at any given time, and all have fairly strong signals, and are 802.11g. Needless to say, the airwaves around my apartment are packed. As a result, my wireless signal will often drop out, and I'm figuring the only reason is because of the interference. I've restarted, double checked, etc. my AP (Linksys WRTG54g) and all looks to be fine. If I plug into the AP, it's always fine. I've tried changing channels, but to limited success. On each of the 1, 6 and 11 channels, there are at least 3 other APs. When I switch to a channel in between, signal quality actually looks worse. I've also changed between B only and G only mode, but with little result. So, what can someone do to get a reliable wireless signal in these types of environments? Are there any tips or online resources that describe the advanced settings of the WRT54g that might improve my performance? Any other tips or resources? And, if I were to buy a new AP, would it make a difference, and what would some recommendations be? Thanks, --- Hans Zaunere President, New York PHP http://www.nyphp.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
