Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-13 Thread Joe Plotkin


Oh Alex how could you? It is one thing to be wrong on the facts, but 
to publicly slander an ally based upon nothing but your incorrect 
opinion? Thats awful.


I have worked with Bruce, fighting on behalf of independent ISPs, for 
over 8 years. FIGHTING TO PROTECT YOUR BUSINESS -- lobbying in DC, 
filing with FCC, doing research proving the ISPs were harmed, suing, 
holding meetings, speaking at ISPcon, etc. He has done more than you 
have to protect ISPs and their access to the public network.


Bruce is NOT financed by the anyone, let alone the CWA. Perhaps you 
are confused by the report Bruce published a couple of years back -- 
which was based upon a CWA report that documented that Vz workers 
were being forced by supervisors to obstruct and delay competitor 
installs and repairs. This report validated what many of us who used 
CLECs like Covad had experienced. This report HELPED bring pressure 
that eliminated the worst of these abuses for the past several years. 
Essentially, the CWA members were the whistle-blowers who felt what 
they were being asked to do was wrong.


Yeah Bruce is nuts -- he's nuts to expect some gratitude from the 
people he has labored selflessly to protect. No good deed goes 
unpunished I guess . . .


- Joe

At 1:20 AM -0500 2/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Joe Plotkin wrote:


 Yesterday's NY Times has a column commenting on Bruce Kushnick's new
 book (below) -- in which Bruce documents the Baby Bell fraud. Now that
 the Bells have succeeded in their dream of an *unregulated monopoly* --
 a wider constituency has awakened to the dangers Bruce has been fighting
 against for a decade.

Anything Kushnick writes should be read with a bucket of salt.  Not to say
that he's right on many things, but there just as many things on which
he's nuts.

Currently he's financed by CWA, which is far more corrupt than VZ itself.

-alex


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Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-12 Thread Joe Plotkin


Yesterday's NY Times has a column commenting on Bruce Kushnick's new 
book (below) -- in which Bruce documents the Baby Bell fraud. Now 
that the Bells have succeeded in their dream of an *unregulated 
monopoly* -- a wider constituency has awakened to the dangers Bruce 
has been fighting against for a decade.


 Joe

February 11, 2006
What's Online

A Rant. All 406 Pages of It.
By DAN MITCHELL

A NEW e-book tells a sordid story of business fraud, according to 
one reviewer. The book's author says it is the largest fraud case in 
American history.
Enron? WorldCom? No. It's much, much larger than either of those, 
though the use of the word fraud in this case is more a literary 
device than a legal definition. The book is The $200 Billion 
Broadband Scandal (newnetworks.com). The author is Bruce Kushnick, a 
longtime irritant to the telecommunications industry.

snip
continued at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/11/technology/11online.ready.html?_r=1oref=slogin



At 11:10 PM -0500 2/8/06, Dana Spiegel wrote:

Jim,

We should the telco's like we trusted them when they said they'd 
provide a fiber optic network to every home? Rght. I'll tell you 
what: If you believe the telco's, then I've got a bridge to sell you.


From the article you pointed out: McSlarrow pointed out that the 
cable industry has invested $100 billion on its networks in the last 
10 years. This model works, he said, why change it to pursue 
hypothetical theories.


Well, that's great, except we (the taxpayers) gave them $200 billion 
to invest in those networks over the last 10 years. Where'd the 
other $100 billion go?


Dana Spiegel
sociableDESIGN  ::  www.sociableDESIGN.com
123 Bank Street, Suite 510, New York, NY 10014
m  +1 917 402 0422  ::  f  +1 760 454 3690  ::  e  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info


On Feb 8, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henry wrote:


Dana,
Read this article:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6305438.html?display=Breaking+Newsreferral=SUPPnid=2228

and I think you will begin to see that such fears are unfounded.

Jim
-Original Message-
From: Dana Spiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Rob Kelley (yahoo)'; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

Jim,

I hardly think that's the point. Besides the fact that Jeff Chester 
_is not_ extreme and _takes no side_ in the article re: nuclear 
power, you are (as   I've come to expect from your posts) arguing 
irrelevant details instead of the larger issue.


In the article below, which everyone should read, Jeff lays out a 
number of important points regarding the promises that were made 
when we (taxpayers) helped these companies build their networks, 
and these companies' failures to live up to their end of the 
bargain. Furthermore, instead of trying to provide what they 
promised to us, they are taking advantage of the monopolistic 
market position we put them in.


Net neutrality is not a new thing. It is the oldest and most 
important part of the internet's infrastructure. Now, after pulling 
a bait and switch on   us over the past 2 decades, the telcos are 
trying to pull another bait and switch on us.



Dana Spiegel
Executive Director
NYCwireless
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.NYCwireless.net
+1 917 402 0422

Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info


On Feb 7, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Jim Henry wrote:


This guy (the author, not you Rob) references nuclear power like it's a BAD
thing! Concern for large companies exercising their market power over their
netwokrs isn't going to get much traction when it only comes from people on
the extreme.

Jim


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rob Kelley (yahoo)
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:50 PM
To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
Subject: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?


The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality...


From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester

The End of the Internet?

by JEFF CHESTER

The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an
alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and
nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded
service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we

do online.


Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are
developing strategies that would track and store

information on our

every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing
system, the scope of which could rival the National Security
Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the
cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the
deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major

Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-12 Thread alex
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Joe Plotkin wrote:

 Yesterday's NY Times has a column commenting on Bruce Kushnick's new
 book (below) -- in which Bruce documents the Baby Bell fraud. Now that
 the Bells have succeeded in their dream of an *unregulated monopoly* --
 a wider constituency has awakened to the dangers Bruce has been fighting
 against for a decade.
Anything Kushnick writes should be read with a bucket of salt.  Not to say
that he's right on many things, but there just as many things on which
he's nuts.

Currently he's financed by CWA, which is far more corrupt than VZ itself.

-alex


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RE: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-08 Thread Jim Henry
Dana,
Read this article:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6305438.html?display=Breaking+New
s
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6305438.html?display=Breaking+Ne
wsreferral=SUPPnid=2228 referral=SUPPnid=2228
 
and I think you will begin to see that such fears are unfounded.  
 
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Dana Spiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Rob Kelley (yahoo)'; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?


Jim, 

I hardly think that's the point. Besides the fact that Jeff Chester _is not_
extreme and _takes no side_ in the article re: nuclear power, you are (as
I've come to expect from your posts) arguing irrelevant details instead of
the larger issue.

In the article below, which everyone should read, Jeff lays out a number of
important points regarding the promises that were made when we (taxpayers)
helped these companies build their networks, and these companies' failures
to live up to their end of the bargain. Furthermore, instead of trying to
provide what they promised to us, they are taking advantage of the
monopolistic market position we put them in.

Net neutrality is not a new thing. It is the oldest and most important part
of the internet's infrastructure. Now, after pulling a bait and switch on us
over the past 2 decades, the telcos are trying to pull another bait and
switch on us.



Dana Spiegel
Executive Director
NYCwireless
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.NYCwireless.net
+1 917 402 0422

Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info


On Feb 7, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Jim Henry wrote:


This guy (the author, not you Rob) references nuclear power like it's a BAD
thing! Concern for large companies exercising their market power over their
netwokrs isn't going to get much traction when it only comes from people on
the extreme.

Jim


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Rob Kelley (yahoo)
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:50 PM
To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
Subject: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?


The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality...


From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester

The End of the Internet?

by JEFF CHESTER

The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an
alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and  
nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded  
service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we 

do online.


Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are
developing strategies that would track and store 

information on our  

every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing  
system, the scope of which could rival the National Security  
Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the  
cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the  
deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major  
advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these  
providers would have first priority on our computer and television  
screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to- 
peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply  
shut out.

Under the plans they are considering, all of us--from content
providers to individual users--would pay more to surf online,  
stream videos or even send e-mail. Industry planners are mulling  
new subscription plans that would further limit the online  
experience, establishing platinum, gold and silver levels of  
Internet access that would set limits on the number of downloads,  
media streams or even e-mail messages that could be sent or 

received.


To make this pay-to-play vision a reality, phone and cable
lobbyists are now engaged in a political campaign to 

further weaken  

the nation's communications policy laws. They want the federal  
government to permit them to operate Internet and other digital  
communications services as private networks, free of policy  
safeguards or governmental oversight. Indeed, both the 

Congress and  

the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are considering  
proposals that will have far-reaching impact on the Internet's  
future. Ten years after passage of the ill-advised  
Telecommunications Act of 1996, telephone and cable companies are  
using the same political snake oil to convince compromised or  
clueless lawmakers to subvert the Internet into a turbo-charged  
digital retail machine.

The telephone industry has been somewhat more candid than the cable
industry about its strategy for the Internet's future. 

Senior phone  

executives have publicly discussed plans to begin imposing a new  
scheme for the delivery of Internet content, especially from major  
Internet content companies. As Ed Whitacre, chairman and CEO of  
ATT, told

Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-08 Thread Dana Spiegel

Jim,

We should the telco's like we trusted them when they said they'd  
provide a fiber optic network to every home? Rght. I'll tell you  
what: If you believe the telco's, then I've got a bridge to sell you.


From the article you pointed out: McSlarrow pointed out that the  
cable industry has invested $100 billion on its networks in the last  
10 years. This model works, he said, why change it to pursue  
hypothetical theories.


Well, that's great, except we (the taxpayers) gave them $200 billion  
to invest in those networks over the last 10 years. Where'd the other  
$100 billion go?


Dana Spiegel
sociableDESIGN  ::  www.sociableDESIGN.com
123 Bank Street, Suite 510, New York, NY 10014
m  +1 917 402 0422  ::  f  +1 760 454 3690  ::  e   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Read the Social Technologies blog: http://www.sociabledesign.com/blog
Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info


On Feb 8, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henry wrote:


Dana,
Read this article:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6305438.html? 
display=Breaking+Newsreferral=SUPPnid=2228


and I think you will begin to see that such fears are unfounded.

Jim
-Original Message-
From: Dana Spiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Rob Kelley (yahoo)'; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

Jim,

I hardly think that's the point. Besides the fact that Jeff Chester  
_is not_ extreme and _takes no side_ in the article re: nuclear  
power, you are (as   I've come to expect from your posts) arguing  
irrelevant details instead of the larger issue.


In the article below, which everyone should read, Jeff lays out a  
number of important points regarding the promises that were made  
when we (taxpayers) helped these companies build their networks,  
and these companies' failures to live up to their end of the  
bargain. Furthermore, instead of trying to provide what they  
promised to us, they are taking advantage of the monopolistic  
market position we put them in.


Net neutrality is not a new thing. It is the oldest and most  
important part of the internet's infrastructure. Now, after pulling  
a bait and switch on   us over the past 2 decades, the telcos are  
trying to pull another bait and switch on us.



Dana Spiegel
Executive Director
NYCwireless
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.NYCwireless.net
+1 917 402 0422

Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info


On Feb 7, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Jim Henry wrote:

This guy (the author, not you Rob) references nuclear power like  
it's a BAD
thing! Concern for large companies exercising their market power  
over their
netwokrs isn't going to get much traction when it only comes from  
people on

the extreme.

Jim


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rob Kelley (yahoo)
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:50 PM
To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
Subject: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?


The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality...


From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester

The End of the Internet?

by JEFF CHESTER

The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an
alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and
nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded
service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we

do online.


Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are
developing strategies that would track and store

information on our

every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing
system, the scope of which could rival the National Security
Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the
cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the
deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major
advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these
providers would have first priority on our computer and television
screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to-
peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply
shut out.

Under the plans they are considering, all of us--from content
providers to individual users--would pay more to surf online,
stream videos or even send e-mail. Industry planners are mulling
new subscription plans that would further limit the online
experience, establishing platinum, gold and silver levels of
Internet access that would set limits on the number of downloads,
media streams or even e-mail messages that could be sent or

received.


To make this pay-to-play vision a reality, phone and cable
lobbyists are now engaged in a political campaign to

further weaken

the nation's communications policy laws. They want the federal
government to permit them to operate Internet and other digital
communications services as private

Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Stearne
Let us know when The Weekly Standard endorses Network Neutrality,
until then it's not going to get any attention.

Good article though.

Michael


On 2/7/06, Rob Kelley (yahoo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality...

  From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006]
 
  http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester
 
  The End of the Internet?
 
  by JEFF CHESTER
 
  The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an
  alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and
  nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded
  service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we do online.
 
  Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are
  developing strategies that would track and store information on our
  every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing
  system, the scope of which could rival the National Security
  Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the
  cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the
  deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major
  advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these
  providers would have first priority on our computer and television
  screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to-
  peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply
  shut out.
 
  Under the plans they are considering, all of us--from content
  providers to individual users--would pay more to surf online,
  stream videos or even send e-mail. Industry planners are mulling
  new subscription plans that would further limit the online
  experience, establishing platinum, gold and silver levels of
  Internet access that would set limits on the number of downloads,
  media streams or even e-mail messages that could be sent or received.
 
  To make this pay-to-play vision a reality, phone and cable
  lobbyists are now engaged in a political campaign to further weaken
  the nation's communications policy laws. They want the federal
  government to permit them to operate Internet and other digital
  communications services as private networks, free of policy
  safeguards or governmental oversight. Indeed, both the Congress and
  the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are considering
  proposals that will have far-reaching impact on the Internet's
  future. Ten years after passage of the ill-advised
  Telecommunications Act of 1996, telephone and cable companies are
  using the same political snake oil to convince compromised or
  clueless lawmakers to subvert the Internet into a turbo-charged
  digital retail machine.
 
  The telephone industry has been somewhat more candid than the cable
  industry about its strategy for the Internet's future. Senior phone
  executives have publicly discussed plans to begin imposing a new
  scheme for the delivery of Internet content, especially from major
  Internet content companies. As Ed Whitacre, chairman and CEO of
  ATT, told Business Week in November, Why should they be allowed
  to use my pipes? The Internet can't be free in that sense, because
  we and the cable companies have made an investment, and for a
  Google or Yahoo! or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes
  [for] free is nuts!
 
  The phone industry has marshaled its political allies to help win
  the freedom to impose this new broadband business model. At a
  recent conference held by the Progress and Freedom Foundation, a
  think tank funded by Comcast, Verizon, ATT and other media
  companies, there was much discussion of a plan for phone companies
  to impose fees on a sliding scale, charging content providers
  different levels of service. Price discrimination, noted PFF's
  resident media expert Adam Thierer, drives the market-based
  capitalist economy.
 
  Net Neutrality
 
  To ward off the prospect of virtual toll booths on the information
  highway, some new media companies and public-interest groups are
  calling for new federal policies requiring network neutrality on
  the Internet. Common Cause, Amazon, Google, Free Press, Media
  Access Project and Consumers Union, among others, have proposed
  that broadband providers would be prohibited from discriminating
  against all forms of digital content. For example, phone or cable
  companies would not be allowed to slow down competing or
  undesirable content.
 
  Without proactive intervention, the values and issues that we care
  about--civil rights, economic justice, the environment and fair
  elections--will be further threatened by this push for corporate
  control. Imagine how the next presidential election would unfold if
  major political advertisers could make strategic payments to
  Comcast so that ads from Democratic and Republican candidates were
  more visible and user-friendly than ads of third-party candidates
  with less funds. Consider what would happen if an online
  advertisement 

RE: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-07 Thread Rob Kelley (yahoo)
Michael:

The Weekly Standard?  Ha, that may take awhile: The Weekly Standard
magazine is considered the prime voice of Republican neoconservatives, and
one of the most influential publications in Washington under the Bush
Administration.
[http://www.disinfopedia.com/index.php?title=Weekly_Standard ]

The Network Neutrality issue represents the latest chapter in America's
ongoing Broadband Scandal.  We never got Fiber to the Home despite the extra
charges we took on our phone bills to pay for it.  Now Verizon finally comes
up with its overpriced fiber product, FiOS.  Bruce Kushnik puts it best:
Where's the 45MB I already paid for!
[http://muniwireless.com/community/1023 ]

Consumers have a vested interest in making sure the telcos are brought in to
account for the Broadband scandal. I remember the talk about needing to stay
competitive in an information economy.  Now, we're ranked 13th to 16th in
the world depending on which survey you read, behind Korea, Canada, Germany,
Sweden, Belgium, Italy and other nations.

These days the telco is the troll under the bridge: it charges exorbitant
rates to consumers for substandard service. Now it's trying to charge
content providers as well.  Troll under the bridge. 

Game plan for consumers:
1. Fight for net neutrality and against the trolls under the bridge
2. Raise awareness of US Broadband ranking in the world
3. Spotlight the Broadband Scandal and demand the telcos be brought to
account for it. 

Rob Kelley


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
Stearne
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:06 PM
To: Rob Kelley (yahoo)
Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

Let us know when The Weekly Standard endorses Network Neutrality,
until then it's not going to get any attention.

Good article though.

Michael


On 2/7/06, Rob Kelley (yahoo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality...

  From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006]
 
  http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester
 
  The End of the Internet?
 
  by JEFF CHESTER
 
  The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an
  alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and
  nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded
  service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we do online.
 
  Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are
  developing strategies that would track and store information on our
  every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing
  system, the scope of which could rival the National Security
  Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the
  cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the
  deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major
  advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these
  providers would have first priority on our computer and television
  screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to-
  peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply
  shut out.
 
  Under the plans they are considering, all of us--from content
  providers to individual users--would pay more to surf online,
  stream videos or even send e-mail. Industry planners are mulling
  new subscription plans that would further limit the online
  experience, establishing platinum, gold and silver levels of
  Internet access that would set limits on the number of downloads,
  media streams or even e-mail messages that could be sent or received.
 
  To make this pay-to-play vision a reality, phone and cable
  lobbyists are now engaged in a political campaign to further weaken
  the nation's communications policy laws. They want the federal
  government to permit them to operate Internet and other digital
  communications services as private networks, free of policy
  safeguards or governmental oversight. Indeed, both the Congress and
  the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are considering
  proposals that will have far-reaching impact on the Internet's
  future. Ten years after passage of the ill-advised
  Telecommunications Act of 1996, telephone and cable companies are
  using the same political snake oil to convince compromised or
  clueless lawmakers to subvert the Internet into a turbo-charged
  digital retail machine.
 
  The telephone industry has been somewhat more candid than the cable
  industry about its strategy for the Internet's future. Senior phone
  executives have publicly discussed plans to begin imposing a new
  scheme for the delivery of Internet content, especially from major
  Internet content companies. As Ed Whitacre, chairman and CEO of
  ATT, told Business Week in November, Why should they be allowed
  to use my pipes? The Internet can't be free in that sense, because
  we and the cable companies have made an investment, and for a
  Google or Yahoo

Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Stearne
On 2/7/06, Rob Kelley (yahoo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Michael:

 The Weekly Standard?  Ha, that may take awhile: The Weekly Standard
 magazine is considered the prime voice of Republican neoconservatives, and
 one of the most influential publications in Washington under the Bush
 Administration.
 [http://www.disinfopedia.com/index.php?title=Weekly_Standard ]

My point!  They (currently) control the discussion.  So if it's not
coming from that direction it's not really being said (I'm pessimistic
:-) )

Michael



 On 2/7/06, Rob Kelley (yahoo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality...
 
   From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006]
  
   http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester
  
   The End of the Internet?
  
   by JEFF CHESTER
  
   The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an
   alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and
   nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded
   service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we do online.
  
   Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are
   developing strategies that would track and store information on our
   every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing
   system, the scope of which could rival the National Security
   Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the
   cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the
   deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major
   advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these
   providers would have first priority on our computer and television
   screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to-
   peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply
   shut out.
  
   Under the plans they are considering, all of us--from content
   providers to individual users--would pay more to surf online,
   stream videos or even send e-mail. Industry planners are mulling
   new subscription plans that would further limit the online
   experience, establishing platinum, gold and silver levels of
   Internet access that would set limits on the number of downloads,
   media streams or even e-mail messages that could be sent or received.
  
   To make this pay-to-play vision a reality, phone and cable
   lobbyists are now engaged in a political campaign to further weaken
   the nation's communications policy laws. They want the federal
   government to permit them to operate Internet and other digital
   communications services as private networks, free of policy
   safeguards or governmental oversight. Indeed, both the Congress and
   the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are considering
   proposals that will have far-reaching impact on the Internet's
   future. Ten years after passage of the ill-advised
   Telecommunications Act of 1996, telephone and cable companies are
   using the same political snake oil to convince compromised or
   clueless lawmakers to subvert the Internet into a turbo-charged
   digital retail machine.
  
   The telephone industry has been somewhat more candid than the cable
   industry about its strategy for the Internet's future. Senior phone
   executives have publicly discussed plans to begin imposing a new
   scheme for the delivery of Internet content, especially from major
   Internet content companies. As Ed Whitacre, chairman and CEO of
   ATT, told Business Week in November, Why should they be allowed
   to use my pipes? The Internet can't be free in that sense, because
   we and the cable companies have made an investment, and for a
   Google or Yahoo! or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes
   [for] free is nuts!
  
   The phone industry has marshaled its political allies to help win
   the freedom to impose this new broadband business model. At a
   recent conference held by the Progress and Freedom Foundation, a
   think tank funded by Comcast, Verizon, ATT and other media
   companies, there was much discussion of a plan for phone companies
   to impose fees on a sliding scale, charging content providers
   different levels of service. Price discrimination, noted PFF's
   resident media expert Adam Thierer, drives the market-based
   capitalist economy.
  
   Net Neutrality
  
   To ward off the prospect of virtual toll booths on the information
   highway, some new media companies and public-interest groups are
   calling for new federal policies requiring network neutrality on
   the Internet. Common Cause, Amazon, Google, Free Press, Media
   Access Project and Consumers Union, among others, have proposed
   that broadband providers would be prohibited from discriminating
   against all forms of digital content. For example, phone or cable
   companies would not be allowed to slow down competing or
   undesirable content.
  
   Without proactive intervention, the values and issues that we care
   about--civil rights, 

RE: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?

2006-02-07 Thread Jim Henry
This guy (the author, not you Rob) references nuclear power like it's a BAD
thing! Concern for large companies exercising their market power over their
netwokrs isn't going to get much traction when it only comes from people on
the extreme.

Jim

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 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:50 PM
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 Subject: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?
 
 
 The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality...
 
  From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006]
 
  http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester
 
  The End of the Internet?
 
  by JEFF CHESTER
 
  The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an
  alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and  
  nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded  
  service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we 
 do online.
 
  Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are
  developing strategies that would track and store 
 information on our  
  every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing  
  system, the scope of which could rival the National Security  
  Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the  
  cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the  
  deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major  
  advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these  
  providers would have first priority on our computer and television  
  screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to- 
  peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply  
  shut out.
 
  Under the plans they are considering, all of us--from content
  providers to individual users--would pay more to surf online,  
  stream videos or even send e-mail. Industry planners are mulling  
  new subscription plans that would further limit the online  
  experience, establishing platinum, gold and silver levels of  
  Internet access that would set limits on the number of downloads,  
  media streams or even e-mail messages that could be sent or 
 received.
 
  To make this pay-to-play vision a reality, phone and cable
  lobbyists are now engaged in a political campaign to 
 further weaken  
  the nation's communications policy laws. They want the federal  
  government to permit them to operate Internet and other digital  
  communications services as private networks, free of policy  
  safeguards or governmental oversight. Indeed, both the 
 Congress and  
  the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are considering  
  proposals that will have far-reaching impact on the Internet's  
  future. Ten years after passage of the ill-advised  
  Telecommunications Act of 1996, telephone and cable companies are  
  using the same political snake oil to convince compromised or  
  clueless lawmakers to subvert the Internet into a turbo-charged  
  digital retail machine.
 
  The telephone industry has been somewhat more candid than the cable
  industry about its strategy for the Internet's future. 
 Senior phone  
  executives have publicly discussed plans to begin imposing a new  
  scheme for the delivery of Internet content, especially from major  
  Internet content companies. As Ed Whitacre, chairman and CEO of  
  ATT, told Business Week in November, Why should they be allowed  
  to use my pipes? The Internet can't be free in that sense, because  
  we and the cable companies have made an investment, and for a  
  Google or Yahoo! or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes  
  [for] free is nuts!
 
  The phone industry has marshaled its political allies to help win
  the freedom to impose this new broadband business model. At a  
  recent conference held by the Progress and Freedom Foundation, a  
  think tank funded by Comcast, Verizon, ATT and other media  
  companies, there was much discussion of a plan for phone companies  
  to impose fees on a sliding scale, charging content providers  
  different levels of service. Price discrimination, noted PFF's  
  resident media expert Adam Thierer, drives the market-based  
  capitalist economy.
 
  Net Neutrality
 
  To ward off the prospect of virtual toll booths on the information
  highway, some new media companies and public-interest groups are  
  calling for new federal policies requiring network neutrality on  
  the Internet. Common Cause, Amazon, Google, Free Press, Media  
  Access Project and Consumers Union, among others, have proposed  
  that broadband providers would be prohibited from discriminating  
  against all forms of digital content. For example, phone or cable  
  companies would not be allowed to slow down competing or  
  undesirable content.
 
  Without proactive intervention, the values and issues that we care
  about--civil rights, economic justice, the environment and fair