[nysbirds-l] Kissena park, Queens

2013-05-11 Thread Cesar Castillo
Birded the area late in the morning and was later joined by Eric and Jeff, 
We had a Nashville Warbler at the Corridor and Bay-breasted Warbler at the park
Later Eric and I found a Cape-May warbler on a spruce near the lake where we 
refound the Red-breasted Nuthatch I had on Thursday.    Warbler activity picked 
up nicely around 1:30 PM, and had BT-Green and Blue, Redstart, Blackpoll, 
Yellow-rumped, 1 Ovenbird, Yellows everywhere (as expected for this park), 
Magnolia's in good numbers, 1 Wood duck (which I rarely see at the lake) and 
Swainson's thrush.  A fair amount of Ruby-crowned kinglets too.
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[nysbirds-l] 21 Species of Warblers, Piping and Golden Plovers

2013-05-11 Thread Willie D'Anna and Betsy Potter
It was a great day for birding in Western New York.  Among 21 species of
warblers seen, our group had a GOLDEN-WINGED and two BAY-BREASTEDS at
Wilson-Tuscarora S.P.  Also there, was a PHILADELPHIA VIREO, found by Corey
Callaghan.

 

The bird of the day was the one found by Jim Pawlicki at the Batavia
Wastewater Treatment Plant - a banded PIPING PLOVER.  There were also nine
COMMON and two BLACK TERNS there, along with hundreds of swallows, including
several CLIFFS.  Jim also found a breeding plumaged  AMERICAN GOLDEN-PLOVER
at Cayuga Pool, Iroquois NWR, which we also caught up with.  This species is
pretty rare in spring.  Also there, were three BLACK-BELLIED PLOVERS, along
with numbers of more common shorebird species.

 

You can check out Jim's nice photo of the Plover on my "2013 Big year" blog
(link below).  Scroll down the page a little.

 

Good birding!

Willie

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[nysbirds-l] Queens County 5/11

2013-05-11 Thread kenalla...@earthlink.net
Fellow Birders,
Despite the inclement weather, and some obligations in the after, I was able to 
get out to a couple of Queens County Parks this morning.  I first visited 
Forest Pond Park, and when thunder coulds started to come in I beat a hasty 
retreat, and was able to spend a couple of hours at the east side of Kissena 
Park later in the morning.   Avian activity was much less than yesterday's, in 
both variety and sheer numbers, and many warblers were treetopping, and 
required picking up their songs and then working hard.  I was pleasantly 
surprised to find that by the afternoon I had seen 18 species of warblers 
(nothing of note among other families), and 5 of them were FOS for me.  The 
highlights: in the vicinity of the water hole, Forest Park-- Cape May, 
Bay-breasted, Blackburnian, and Blackpoll Warblers.  At Kissena Park, between 
164th St. and the Velodrome: Wilson's, Canada, and Worm-eating Warblers.  Not 
bad for a short and rainy day!  
Happy Birding,

Ken Allaire
El Valle de Anton, Panama
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[nysbirds-l] Alley Pond Park: Wet but well warblered

2013-05-11 Thread John Gluth
Great South Bay Audubon's field trip this morning to Alley Pond was held under 
damp conditions which became downright wet by late morning. But the spirits of 
the nine participants were raised high and dry by the presence 
of 17 species of warbler, highlighted by Bay-breasted (1), Tennessee (1), 
Chestnut-sided (1), Prairie (1), and Nashville (1). Other notable migrants 
included 3 thrush species--Swainson's (2), Veery (2), and Wood (4-5);
Scarlet Tanager (3-4); and Great Crested Flycatcher. The area where the hottest 
action took place was west of Turtle and Decadon ponds, at the edge of the park 
near the school on 67th Avenue (see the "A" on the Google map of "Alley Pond 
Park"). Things had been a bit disappointing up until then. Full eBird checklist 
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[nysbirds-l] Black Tern - BIg Egg Marsh

2013-05-11 Thread Isaac Grant
Had a Black Tern mixed in with a large flock of Common and Forster's terns 
flying near the bridge.
Also there were loads if shorebirds of all the expected species, including a 
few hundred Red Knot.

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[nysbirds-l] Blackburnian Warbler, A Survivor!

2013-05-11 Thread Mardi Dickinson

Birders et al,

Here is a new article I just posted & thought you would be interested in. 
Enjoy! 
http://kymry.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/blackburnian-warbler-a-survivor/

Cheers,
Mardi Dickinson
Norwalk, CT
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[nysbirds-l] The New York Botanical Garden

2013-05-11 Thread Debbie Becker
The following  birds were spotted on my Saturday morning and afternoon bird 
walk. 
Swainson's Thrush
Wood thrush
Veery
HOODED Warbler
Chestnut sided
Bay breasted
Blackpoll
Black and white
Northern Parula
Yellow rumped
Black throated green
Black throated Blue
Yellow
Oven Bird
Magnolia
American Redstart
Common Yellowthroat
Yellow throated Vireo
Warbling Vireo
Great crested flycatcher 
Wood ducks w 12 ducklings
Mallard
Baltimore Oriole
Scarlet Tanager
Eastern Kingbird
Great Blue Heron
American Goldfinch
Grackle
Catbird
Red winged blackbird
Song sparrow 
Rough winged swallow
Chimney swift

Thanks to Joann, Steve & Martin.

Good Birding,
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[nysbirds-l] Wildwood State Park - Worm Eating and Chestnut Sided Warbler

2013-05-11 Thread Ben Weinstein
Hi all,

The birds and weather were very cooperative this morning, with highlights
of 2 WORM-EATING WARBLERS, CHESTNUT-SIDED WARBLER and good views of
multiple PRAIRIE WARBLERS. Full list below.

Best,
Ben Weinstein

Wildwood State Park, Suffolk, US-NY
May 11, 2013 11:00 AM - 1:00 PM
Protocol: Traveling
3.0 mile(s)
Comments: After a storm, birding along the ridgeline parallel to LI
sound.
43 species

Canada Goose  2
Red-breasted Merganser  3
Common Loon  3
Double-crested Cormorant  1
Turkey Vulture  1
Solitary Sandpiper  3
Ring-billed Gull  1
Great Black-backed Gull  3
Common Tern  1
Forster's Tern  1
Belted Kingfisher  1
Red-bellied Woodpecker  2
Downy Woodpecker  2
Warbling Vireo  1
Red-eyed Vireo  3
Blue Jay  2
Tree Swallow  3
Black-capped Chickadee  10
Tufted Titmouse  4
White-breasted Nuthatch  1
House Wren  2
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher  2
American Robin  10
Gray Catbird  4
Worm-eating Warbler  2
Blue-winged Warbler  1
Black-and-white Warbler  3
Common Yellowthroat  3
American Redstart  5
Northern Parula  6
Magnolia Warbler  2
Yellow Warbler  1
Chestnut-sided Warbler  1
Black-throated Blue Warbler  2
Yellow-rumped Warbler  20
Prairie Warbler  10
Eastern Towhee  3
Song Sparrow  5
White-throated Sparrow  10
Northern Cardinal  3
Red-winged Blackbird  1
Baltimore Oriole  1
American Goldfinch  4

View this checklist online at
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This report was generated automatically by eBird v3 (http://ebird.org)
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PhD Candidate
Ecology and Evolution
Stony Brook University

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[nysbirds-l] Prothonotary on The Point

2013-05-11 Thread Gabriel Willow
Looking at a stunning male Prothonotary Warbler on the point of The Point in 
Central Park right now, he's hopping on the ground.

Other highlights this afternoon include seeing 6+ Baltimore Orioles, numerous 
Blackpoll Warblers, a Wilson's Warbler & female Hooded Warbler on the Point.
Hermit, Swainson's, Wood Thrushes & Veery.

Also a lovely Green Heron at the Upper Lobe...

Woohoo!

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Swallow-tailed kite, Kissena park

2013-05-11 Thread Cesar Castillo
not sure what happened, appears as though I accidentally sent out another email 
by accident, was supposed to be a deleted draft.  I have not seen a kite today. 
 Photos were part of yesterday's report that I sent out today.



 From: Corey Finger 
To: Cesar Castillo  
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Swallow-tailed kite, Kissena park
 


Are you saying you saw it again? Where, exactly?

Thanks,
Corey Finger

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Swallow-tailed kite, Kissena park

2013-05-11 Thread Corey Finger
Are you saying you saw it again today? If so, where, exactly? This is a bird 
that pretty much every New York State birder would want to see. Please provide 
some details.

Good Birding,
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[nysbirds-l] Swallow-tailed kite, Kissena park

2013-05-11 Thread Cesar Castillo

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Queens Report 5-10-13...Forest Park water hole

2013-05-11 Thread Cesar Castillo
Between Kissena Park and the Waterhole at Forest I had a total of 21 species of 
warbler.  Highlights at the Waterhole were
Nashville, Blackburnian, Canada, Wilsons's, Chestnut sided, Palm Warbler, also 
had 1 Rose-breasted Grossbeak, Red-eyed vireos, Veery, lots of Scarlet Tanagers 
up close including one orange variant

At Kissena, 1 Blue-winged and Worm-eating.  Ruby-throated hummingbird, Scarlet 
Tanagers and of-course the swallow-tailed kite
see link for pics of the kite

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14667149@N00/8728510816/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14667149@N00/8728510826/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14667149@N00/8728510836/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14667149@N00/8728510842/




 From: Andrew Baksh 
To: nysbirds-l  
Cc: Nyc ebirds  
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Queens Report 5-10-13...
 


A total of 22 Warbler species reported from Queens today.  Forest Park led the 
way with 21.  It just so happened that I along with a few others made a good 
decision to bird in Forest Park today and we enjoyed the influx of migrants 
that were in good numbers.  

The day's highlights while birding with Patricia Lindsay, Rich Kelly, Mary 
Normaindy and at times with Karlo Mirth, Mike Feder and Danny Melore at Forest 
Park included:  
PALM WARBLER, CAPE MAY WARBLER, BLACKBURNIAN WARBLER, WILSON's WARBLER, HOODED 
WARBLER, WORM EATING WARBLER and CANADA WARBLER.


Black-throated Blues and Northern Parulas were in good numbers with 40 and 50 
recorded respectively for each species from birding throughout the park for 
over 8 hours.  No doubt, there were more.


Yellow-throated Vireo, Great Crested Flycatcher, Scarlet Tanager, Rose-breasted 
Grosbeak,  Baltimore Oriole, Wood Thrush and Veery were some of the other 
notable migrants.  The feeding and singing while subsiding in the afternoon was 
still noticeable when I left the waterhole at Forest Park around 3:45 p.m. for 
Alley Pond Park.

At Alley Pond, there were fewer birds...maybe due to the time of the day? 
However, a CAPE MAY WARBLER and later on with Jeff Ritter, a LINCOLN SPARROW 
made the trip worthwhile.  

Oakland Lake, much later was quiet but Jeff added Blue-winged Warbler to bring 
his personal warbler tally for the day to 20 species (take that Colleen and 
Bobby:)

Good Birding Peeps!

Andrew Baksh
Queens, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Queens Report 5-10-13...Forest Park water hole

2013-05-11 Thread Cesar Castillo
Between Kissena Park and the Waterhole at Forest I had a total of 21 species of 
warbler.  Highlights at the Waterhole were
Nashville, Blackburnian, Canada, Wilsons's, Chestnut sided, Palm Warbler, also 
had 1 Rose-breasted Grossbeak, Red-eyed vireos, Veery, lots of Scarlet Tanagers 
up close including one orange variant

At Kissena, 1 Blue-winged and Worm-eating.  Ruby-throated hummingbird, Scarlet 
Tanagers and of-course the swallow-tailed kite
see link for pics of the kite

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14667149@N00/8728510816/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14667149@N00/8728510826/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14667149@N00/8728510836/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14667149@N00/8728510842/




 From: Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com
To: nysbirds-l nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Cc: Nyc ebirds ebirds...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Queens Report 5-10-13...
 


A total of 22 Warbler species reported from Queens today.  Forest Park led the 
way with 21.  It just so happened that I along with a few others made a good 
decision to bird in Forest Park today and we enjoyed the influx of migrants 
that were in good numbers.  

The day's highlights while birding with Patricia Lindsay, Rich Kelly, Mary 
Normaindy and at times with Karlo Mirth, Mike Feder and Danny Melore at Forest 
Park included:  
PALM WARBLER, CAPE MAY WARBLER, BLACKBURNIAN WARBLER, WILSON's WARBLER, HOODED 
WARBLER, WORM EATING WARBLER and CANADA WARBLER.


Black-throated Blues and Northern Parulas were in good numbers with 40 and 50 
recorded respectively for each species from birding throughout the park for 
over 8 hours.  No doubt, there were more.


Yellow-throated Vireo, Great Crested Flycatcher, Scarlet Tanager, Rose-breasted 
Grosbeak,  Baltimore Oriole, Wood Thrush and Veery were some of the other 
notable migrants.  The feeding and singing while subsiding in the afternoon was 
still noticeable when I left the waterhole at Forest Park around 3:45 p.m. for 
Alley Pond Park.

At Alley Pond, there were fewer birds...maybe due to the time of the day? 
However, a CAPE MAY WARBLER and later on with Jeff Ritter, a LINCOLN SPARROW 
made the trip worthwhile.  

Oakland Lake, much later was quiet but Jeff added Blue-winged Warbler to bring 
his personal warbler tally for the day to 20 species (take that Colleen and 
Bobby:)

Good Birding Peeps!

Andrew Baksh
Queens, NY
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[nysbirds-l] Swallow-tailed kite, Kissena park

2013-05-11 Thread Cesar Castillo

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Swallow-tailed kite, Kissena park

2013-05-11 Thread Corey Finger
Are you saying you saw it again today? If so, where, exactly? This is a bird 
that pretty much every New York State birder would want to see. Please provide 
some details.

Good Birding,
Corey Finger
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Swallow-tailed kite, Kissena park

2013-05-11 Thread Cesar Castillo
not sure what happened, appears as though I accidentally sent out another email 
by accident, was supposed to be a deleted draft.  I have not seen a kite today. 
 Photos were part of yesterday's report that I sent out today.



 From: Corey Finger here...@yahoo.com
To: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Swallow-tailed kite, Kissena park
 


Are you saying you saw it again? Where, exactly?

Thanks,
Corey Finger

Sent from my iPhone

On May 11, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com wrote:





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[nysbirds-l] Prothonotary on The Point

2013-05-11 Thread Gabriel Willow
Looking at a stunning male Prothonotary Warbler on the point of The Point in 
Central Park right now, he's hopping on the ground.

Other highlights this afternoon include seeing 6+ Baltimore Orioles, numerous 
Blackpoll Warblers, a Wilson's Warbler  female Hooded Warbler on the Point.
Hermit, Swainson's, Wood Thrushes  Veery.

Also a lovely Green Heron at the Upper Lobe...

Woohoo!

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[nysbirds-l] Wildwood State Park - Worm Eating and Chestnut Sided Warbler

2013-05-11 Thread Ben Weinstein
Hi all,

The birds and weather were very cooperative this morning, with highlights
of 2 WORM-EATING WARBLERS, CHESTNUT-SIDED WARBLER and good views of
multiple PRAIRIE WARBLERS. Full list below.

Best,
Ben Weinstein

Wildwood State Park, Suffolk, US-NY
May 11, 2013 11:00 AM - 1:00 PM
Protocol: Traveling
3.0 mile(s)
Comments: After a storm, birding along the ridgeline parallel to LI
sound.
43 species

Canada Goose  2
Red-breasted Merganser  3
Common Loon  3
Double-crested Cormorant  1
Turkey Vulture  1
Solitary Sandpiper  3
Ring-billed Gull  1
Great Black-backed Gull  3
Common Tern  1
Forster's Tern  1
Belted Kingfisher  1
Red-bellied Woodpecker  2
Downy Woodpecker  2
Warbling Vireo  1
Red-eyed Vireo  3
Blue Jay  2
Tree Swallow  3
Black-capped Chickadee  10
Tufted Titmouse  4
White-breasted Nuthatch  1
House Wren  2
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher  2
American Robin  10
Gray Catbird  4
Worm-eating Warbler  2
Blue-winged Warbler  1
Black-and-white Warbler  3
Common Yellowthroat  3
American Redstart  5
Northern Parula  6
Magnolia Warbler  2
Yellow Warbler  1
Chestnut-sided Warbler  1
Black-throated Blue Warbler  2
Yellow-rumped Warbler  20
Prairie Warbler  10
Eastern Towhee  3
Song Sparrow  5
White-throated Sparrow  10
Northern Cardinal  3
Red-winged Blackbird  1
Baltimore Oriole  1
American Goldfinch  4

View this checklist online at
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This report was generated automatically by eBird v3 (http://ebird.org)
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Stony Brook University

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[nysbirds-l] The New York Botanical Garden

2013-05-11 Thread Debbie Becker
The following  birds were spotted on my Saturday morning and afternoon bird 
walk. 
Swainson's Thrush
Wood thrush
Veery
HOODED Warbler
Chestnut sided
Bay breasted
Blackpoll
Black and white
Northern Parula
Yellow rumped
Black throated green
Black throated Blue
Yellow
Oven Bird
Magnolia
American Redstart
Common Yellowthroat
Yellow throated Vireo
Warbling Vireo
Great crested flycatcher 
Wood ducks w 12 ducklings
Mallard
Baltimore Oriole
Scarlet Tanager
Eastern Kingbird
Great Blue Heron
American Goldfinch
Grackle
Catbird
Red winged blackbird
Song sparrow 
Rough winged swallow
Chimney swift

Thanks to Joann, Steve  Martin.

Good Birding,
Debbie Becker
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[nysbirds-l] Blackburnian Warbler, A Survivor!

2013-05-11 Thread Mardi Dickinson

Birders et al,

Here is a new article I just posted  thought you would be interested in. 
Enjoy! 
http://kymry.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/blackburnian-warbler-a-survivor/

Cheers,
Mardi Dickinson
Norwalk, CT
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[nysbirds-l] Black Tern - BIg Egg Marsh

2013-05-11 Thread Isaac Grant
Had a Black Tern mixed in with a large flock of Common and Forster's terns 
flying near the bridge.
Also there were loads if shorebirds of all the expected species, including a 
few hundred Red Knot.

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[nysbirds-l] Alley Pond Park: Wet but well warblered

2013-05-11 Thread John Gluth
Great South Bay Audubon's field trip this morning to Alley Pond was held under 
damp conditions which became downright wet by late morning. But the spirits of 
the nine participants were raised high and dry by the presence 
of 17 species of warbler, highlighted by Bay-breasted (1), Tennessee (1), 
Chestnut-sided (1), Prairie (1), and Nashville (1). Other notable migrants 
included 3 thrush species--Swainson's (2), Veery (2), and Wood (4-5);
Scarlet Tanager (3-4); and Great Crested Flycatcher. The area where the hottest 
action took place was west of Turtle and Decadon ponds, at the edge of the park 
near the school on 67th Avenue (see the A on the Google map of Alley Pond 
Park). Things had been a bit disappointing up until then. Full eBird checklist 
here: http://ebird.org/ebird/ny/view/checklist?subID=S14075641

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[nysbirds-l] Queens County 5/11

2013-05-11 Thread kenalla...@earthlink.net
Fellow Birders,
Despite the inclement weather, and some obligations in the after, I was able to 
get out to a couple of Queens County Parks this morning.  I first visited 
Forest Pond Park, and when thunder coulds started to come in I beat a hasty 
retreat, and was able to spend a couple of hours at the east side of Kissena 
Park later in the morning.   Avian activity was much less than yesterday's, in 
both variety and sheer numbers, and many warblers were treetopping, and 
required picking up their songs and then working hard.  I was pleasantly 
surprised to find that by the afternoon I had seen 18 species of warblers 
(nothing of note among other families), and 5 of them were FOS for me.  The 
highlights: in the vicinity of the water hole, Forest Park-- Cape May, 
Bay-breasted, Blackburnian, and Blackpoll Warblers.  At Kissena Park, between 
164th St. and the Velodrome: Wilson's, Canada, and Worm-eating Warblers.  Not 
bad for a short and rainy day!  
Happy Birding,

Ken Allaire
El Valle de Anton, Panama
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[nysbirds-l] 21 Species of Warblers, Piping and Golden Plovers

2013-05-11 Thread Willie D'Anna and Betsy Potter
It was a great day for birding in Western New York.  Among 21 species of
warblers seen, our group had a GOLDEN-WINGED and two BAY-BREASTEDS at
Wilson-Tuscarora S.P.  Also there, was a PHILADELPHIA VIREO, found by Corey
Callaghan.

 

The bird of the day was the one found by Jim Pawlicki at the Batavia
Wastewater Treatment Plant - a banded PIPING PLOVER.  There were also nine
COMMON and two BLACK TERNS there, along with hundreds of swallows, including
several CLIFFS.  Jim also found a breeding plumaged  AMERICAN GOLDEN-PLOVER
at Cayuga Pool, Iroquois NWR, which we also caught up with.  This species is
pretty rare in spring.  Also there, were three BLACK-BELLIED PLOVERS, along
with numbers of more common shorebird species.

 

You can check out Jim's nice photo of the Plover on my 2013 Big year blog
(link below).  Scroll down the page a little.

 

Good birding!

Willie

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Big Year List: http://www.happtech.com/BigYearDanna

 


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[nysbirds-l] Kissena park, Queens

2013-05-11 Thread Cesar Castillo
Birded the area late in the morning and was later joined by Eric and Jeff, 
We had a Nashville Warbler at the Corridor and Bay-breasted Warbler at the park
Later Eric and I found a Cape-May warbler on a spruce near the lake where we 
refound the Red-breasted Nuthatch I had on Thursday.    Warbler activity picked 
up nicely around 1:30 PM, and had BT-Green and Blue, Redstart, Blackpoll, 
Yellow-rumped, 1 Ovenbird, Yellows everywhere (as expected for this park), 
Magnolia's in good numbers, 1 Wood duck (which I rarely see at the lake) and 
Swainson's thrush.  A fair amount of Ruby-crowned kinglets too.
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